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[gkrieg13]

GK you f it’s mix or pasta for you - which one and why?

I think MiX is scummier, and the claim is scummier, which is why I'm voting MiX. I think there is very little chance they are both town.

[mathdude]

Awaclus and I had chat about during N0. Could/did anyone else use actions N0?

And once Day 1 is gone, you can’t get it back!

I'm going to press X to doubt here.

Technically, this statement should always be true. But it was obviously meant to either impart or obscure some meaning here. I'm almost now reading this to say we may get out of the loop at some point. But I'm wondering if that might not happen until game over... otherwise, I wonder if we can get to D2 during the game, might we get stuck there? This could give even night roles some use?

[MiX]

This is a bastard game, right? I would be more surprised if the even-night roles could do anything at all in practice than not.

[Swowl]

GK you f it’s mix or pasta for you - which one and why?

I think MiX is scummier, and the claim is scummier, which is why I'm voting MiX. I think there is very little chance they are both town.

So MiX fake claimed RB and faked a target on the only person not to have yet claimed (other than me)... he took that risk why in your mind?

[Swowl]

I think the exile should really be either scola or MiX. Not only do they have conflicting claims, they both have stopped or tried to stop an exile this game, which is the only way we get any information on flips, so it is extremely scummy to do so.

Day 1 it was going to be MiX or Swowl. Here is the 2 hour out VC:

MiX (3): gkrieg13, mathdude, Awaclus
Swowl (3): Galzria, WestCoastDidds, EFHW
scolapasta (1): MiX
Awaclus (1): Swowl
mathdude (1): scolapasta

Then Pasta votes for MiX.

Then, here is the final VC:
MiX (4): gkrieg13, mathdude, Awaclus, Swowl
Swowl (4): Galzria, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, scolapasta
scolapasta (1): MiX

A) Pasta and MiX are not skum together. Or they are, but not entertaining the idea.
B) I am Town.

MiX:
1) MiX not going to vote himself.
2) If MiX is Skum, since I am town, it is not so much withholding info... that is skum choosing to not hammer town with a hand it to me on a silver plate excuse to do so.

Pasta:
1) Pasta got on the MiX wagon.
2) Pasta voiced he would move to me to get exile off, and then followed through by voting for me.


Day 2 - Both of them were on my wagon... which is the only flip we have.


How does any of that add up to "they have both stopped or tried to stop getting an exile through this game"?

[Swowl]

Could everyone please weigh in on the MiX v Pasta thing when you have a chance. There are still a couple that have not voiced opinions.

[Swowl]

We also need to have enough time to coordinate a good way to determine if everyone can vote, or if they can't and if not, then who can't. Which is actually, surprisingly, kind of easy enough. But we need time to do it, so everyone should get their piece in asap

[EFHW]

What's the flavor for the bus driving? That's normally a scum role.

What do you mean? It just says bus driver (even though I drive a van)

Well usually a mod will tie the power into the character or story. Like my character is a big cheese in the community, so I get an extra vote. How is mixing people up and redirecting their actions represented flavor-wise?

Did other people get that? Mine has absolutely none of that. Although I am the only VT.

mine is actually kind of tied in, and then in the flavor role pm it is even like "explained" how it is connected to my role.

This is a useless conversation, and a distraction.

No it isn't. You have claimed a scummy role. I was giving you a chance to show that joth had given it a town spin somehow.

[EFHW]

I think the exile should really be either scola or MiX. Not only do they have conflicting claims, they both have stopped or tried to stop an exile this game, which is the only way we get any information on flips, so it is extremely scummy to do so.

You are scumreading them because of the no exile? Everyone carries responsibility for that, including you. Why single them out? How else did they try to stop an exile?

[EFHW]

The Mix v Scola thing I *think* is Town v Town and someone messed with Mix. Leaving me at either GK or Galz today.

I agree with this

Same. gkrieg has joined Galz at the top of my scum list.

[mathdude]

The Mix v Scola thing I *think* is Town v Town and someone messed with Mix. Leaving me at either GK or Galz today.

Why do some of you think it's TvT?
And then if someone messed with MiX (why couldn't they have also/instead messed with scola?)... why does that leave you at gk or Galz? I get that gk could be lying about the even-night (and figured in BM he could get away with claiming a scummy role as scum).

But I think we have to resolve this MiX and Scola thing. How does Galz factor in?

[EFHW]

The Mix v Scola thing I *think* is Town v Town and someone messed with Mix. Leaving me at either GK or Galz today.

Why do some of you think it's TvT?
And then if someone messed with MiX (why couldn't they have also/instead messed with scola?)... why does that leave you at gk or Galz? I get that gk could be lying about the even-night (and figured in BM he could get away with claiming a scummy role as scum).

But I think we have to resolve this MiX and Scola thing. How does Galz factor in?

Galz and gkrieg are scummier than scola and MiX. What's the urgency to figure out scola v. MiX?

[EFHW]

gkrieg and math are both pushing resolving the 1:1 problem. That feels like manufactured urgency to me and therefore scummy.

[WestCoastDidds]

The Mix v Scola thing I *think* is Town v Town and someone messed with Mix. Leaving me at either GK or Galz today.

Why do some of you think it's TvT?
And then if someone messed with MiX (why couldn't they have also/instead messed with scola?)... why does that leave you at gk or Galz? I get that gk could be lying about the even-night (and figured in BM he could get away with claiming a scummy role as scum).

But I think we have to resolve this MiX and Scola thing. How does Galz factor in?

This reads super scummy to me. Why is math pushing a 1v1 when Swowl and others have reasons they suspect it is two town? The deliberate “why do you think that” when there are explanations/questions regarding the timing of their claims (why would scumMiX fake claim an action on the only person left to claim, why would scumScola set up a 1v1 purposefully) feels disingenuous to me. Deflecting attention from Galz just adds to that.

I’m seeing the game as three pools right now:
Scum Pond
Galz
Gkrieg
Math

Indeterminate waters
MiX
Scola
Awaclus

Soothing town fountain
Swowl
EFHW
WCD

[MiX]

I don't understand why people are not going for the 1v1. Last time this happened town lost horribly by making the worst possible exiles, since the 1v1 threw everyone off. Just kill scola, if he flips scum then we know what happened, otherwise we can talk. We have a dayvig, we can take risks. Flipping gkrieg or Galzria and no one else is just avoiding hard decisions.

[gkrieg13]

What's the flavor for the bus driving? That's normally a scum role.

What do you mean? It just says bus driver (even though I drive a van)

Well usually a mod will tie the power into the character or story. Like my character is a big cheese in the community, so I get an extra vote. How is mixing people up and redirecting their actions represented flavor-wise?

Did other people get that? Mine has absolutely none of that. Although I am the only VT.

mine is actually kind of tied in, and then in the flavor role pm it is even like "explained" how it is connected to my role.

This is a useless conversation, and a distraction.

No it isn't. You have claimed a scummy role. I was giving you a chance to show that joth had given it a town spin somehow.

It is talking about wording of a role description, which is essentially why quoting mod provided stuff is not allowed.

[gkrieg13]

I don't understand why people are not going for the 1v1. Last time this happened town lost horribly by making the worst possible exiles, since the 1v1 threw everyone off. Just kill scola, if he flips scum then we know what happened, otherwise we can talk. We have a dayvig, we can take risks. Flipping gkrieg or Galzria and no one else is just avoiding hard decisions.

This is what I’m thinking. Especially since MiX and pasta had to both be alive N1.

[gkrieg13]

gkrieg and math are both pushing resolving the 1:1 problem. That feels like manufactured urgency to me and therefore scummy.

It’s not at all manufactured urgency. You are pushing a wild theory that it is town v town with MiX and pasta, which requires a crazy night action resolution, instead of just assuming one of them is lying about their role.

[gkrieg13]

The Mix v Scola thing I *think* is Town v Town and someone messed with Mix. Leaving me at either GK or Galz today.

I agree with this

Same. gkrieg has joined Galz at the top of my scum list.

Why?

[gkrieg13]

GK you f it’s mix or pasta for you - which one and why?

I think MiX is scummier, and the claim is scummier, which is why I'm voting MiX. I think there is very little chance they are both town.

So MiX fake claimed RB and faked a target on the only person not to have yet claimed (other than me)... he took that risk why in your mind?

I think you’re right. It makes more sense that scola just messed up their claim.

[EFHW]

The Mix v Scola thing I *think* is Town v Town and someone messed with Mix. Leaving me at either GK or Galz today.

I agree with this

Same. gkrieg has joined Galz at the top of my scum list.

Why?

Scummy role, Complaining about flavor question.  Pushing 1:1. Aggressive tone.

[EFHW]

Didds, What happens to the day if you dayvig? If we can have a vig and an exile we can address both questions.

[WestCoastDidds]

Didds, What happens to the day if you dayvig? If we can have a vig and an exile we can address both questions.

I don’t know,  it I can ask.

[WestCoastDidds]

I asked Joth in discord about the shot. I’ll report back when I know more!

[Awaclus]

What's the vote count?