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[mathdude]

MiX why did you not hammer Swowl?

mathdude, why did you not come back and switch your vote to MiX?

I intended to come back and check. And then I would have hammered. But I got busy with family and didn't get back in time.
(Also, you mean switch my vote from MiX to Swowl).

Useless D1. Useless N1 so far. Anyone have useful results from night? Otherwise, anyone opposed to a quick day, and we just put those votes back and actually hammer?

[WestCoastDidds]

I'll try not to be super offended by that.

Please don’t! No offense was intended. Just a comment on the game state.

OK. I find it super icky that you're voting for me today, though.

Do you think Swowl is scum?

You and Swowl are my best guess for the team. Or you and MiX.

[scolapasta]

I am willing to go back to the vote I ended up having late D1 (the first one).

Vote: mathdude

[EFHW]

I'm sorry about missing deadline. I got distracted.

The irony of no kill is that we do D1 all over again, just like the movie!

[Galzria]

Barring a given reason otherwise (and I'll re-read everybody's first posts here today in a bit), nothing has changed for me other than being frustrated with the no-exile.

Vote: Swowl

[EFHW]

THREAD UNLOCKED

Day 1 begins now and will end at 2:30 pm ET on January 15th

It's literally Day 1 again.

[scolapasta]

I was going to point this out to you - it's not just no exile, and no NK, but literal. So I'm guessing every day will be like this? Though, ostensibly people may have learned things at night.

[Galzria]

THREAD UNLOCKED

Day 1 begins now and will end at 2:30 pm ET on January 15th

It's literally Day 1 again.

It is. Which is definitely worth noticing.

[WestCoastDidds]

THREAD UNLOCKED

Day 1 begins now and will end at 2:30 pm ET on January 15th

It's literally Day 1 again.

Oh!!

[WestCoastDidds]

Could it be that there is no scum??

[WestCoastDidds]

And we just keep going until we exile Joth?

[mathdude]

Vote: Swowl

Willing to switch to MiX or scola at this point too to get a serious wagon going.

[mathdude]

Also willing to try and exile joth.

[EFHW]

I didn't call it random, just pointless. And yes, I get the point is to see how people react. But I'd argue, that's not actually effective. It would be interesting to see some analysis on how well anyone's D1 reads actually are...

A very 1-dimensional outlook. You're only considering "how people react" as a direct influence on reads. But there's a lot more to the purpose of voting than that. It creates connections. Is scum!MiX more likely, or less likely, to put a vote down on a partner in early RVS phases? What about Awaclus, or anybody else? An RVS vote may not have any weight or reason, and the "reaction" it generates may not be all that valuable (especially D1) - but every vote says something about the person making it - They choose who for reasons that are very rarely random (or pointless).

- Are you saying this as NAI? I don't think I can think of single RVS vote I have ever made as town that was not completely arbitrary.

i.e I think the point of either is just to encourage more chatter - and this is true for both town and scum. town trying to weed out scum, scum trying to learn town's roles. I'm not sure why one is actually better than the other. I'm just not of fun of picking someone and voting for them without at least a piece of reasoning.

- Galz wants to know "why pursue a line of convo that is beneficial to skum"... I just wanna know how you think "skum trying to learn town's roles" is not clearly worse than "town trying to weed out skum"?

Swowl, I am curious, as are others, I think, about your stalwart defense of scola. Can you tell us what's behind it?

I don't think I ever got an answer to this.

[gkrieg13]

Sorry, swamped until Friday.

[mathdude]

Sorry, swamped until Friday.

Then I'm also willing to switch votes to gkrieg to get a D1 exile off. Not a policy exile. I'm just seeing that he's not helping town. So that could mean scum.

[gkrieg13]

Sorry, swamped until Friday.

Then I'm also willing to switch votes to gkrieg to get a D1 exile off. Not a policy exile. I'm just seeing that he's not helping town. So that could mean scum.

Am I helping town less than Swowl?

[mathdude]

gkrieg,

I just look back through D1 posts, and you have a lot more than I remember.  I guess you are good at contributing without standing out.  So overall, no, you're not helping town less than Swowl overall.  Today - so far, pretty much the same.  No contribution.

I was mainly reiterating that I don't think it's helpful to let us end this day the same we did for D1.  As I said at EoD1, and still feel - we should exile today.  Also, unless someone reveals something useful from night... I don't see any reason this day needs to drag on until Saturday.

[MiX]

I was mainly reiterating that I don't think it's helpful to let us end this day the same we did for D1.  As I said at EoD1, and still feel - we should exile today.  Also, unless someone reveals something useful from night... I don't see any reason this day needs to drag on until Saturday.

Sorry, swamped until Friday.

There's a pretty good reason to drag this game until Friday though.

[gkrieg13]

I was mainly reiterating that I don't think it's helpful to let us end this day the same we did for D1.  As I said at EoD1, and still feel - we should exile today.  Also, unless someone reveals something useful from night... I don't see any reason this day needs to drag on until Saturday.

Sorry, swamped until Friday.

There's a pretty good reason to drag this game until Friday though.

I’m 1 out of 9 people. I’m not trying to stall the game, just have a big paper deadline on Thursday.

[gkrieg13]

People could say why they didn’t hammer the other wagon. That would be useful.

[MiX]

People could say why they didn’t hammer the other wagon. That would be useful.

I was busy and completely forgot about this game.

[Awaclus]

People could say why they didn’t hammer the other wagon. That would be useful.

My memory from these past few days is a bit hazy but the deadline was in the evening on 01-08, and I think I woke up pretty late after going to bed at around 11 am, and there was a power outage when I woke up which took a while and the day had already ended by the time the outage was over. Which I remember because I barely made it in time to watch the Sora no Woto anniversary rewatch and that started a couple of hours later. I guess I could have checked the thread on mobile during the outage, but that didn't cross my mind and I'm not sure if I had even woken up before the day ended.

[scolapasta]

I fully expected MiX would come in and hammer. Then I expected, based on his post, that mathdude would hammer. I didn't see any reason to switch away from swowl at the time.

[scolapasta]

I still don't understand the anti setup talk sentiment from the first D1, but now that we have some more (limited) info, I think it's worth visiting again. If that makes some of y'all think I'm more likely to be scum, so be it.

It's D1 again. Do we think every day will be D1? (I do; it fits the theme). If so, then I wonder if that's the reason for no NK? i.e. what if there was actually was one?

From the 2nd post:

This is a bastard game. You can trust what the mod tells you to a point. But some things I say may not be entirely true. Or not true in the way you think they are.

So my hypothesis is someone was NKed and joth not telling us about a NK is the "not true in the way you think they are" because it's D1 again.

But what would that mean? Is that person back alive? Can they post? Can they vote? I'm still trying to figure out how I think that could work.

I think only swowl hasn't posted so far. But I'd also be surprised for that to have been the NK, anyway.