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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #100 on: January 06, 2022, 12:43:53 pm »

It's near deadline already?

Sorry everyone, I'm just really busy until the 11th, so I probably won't give much time to this D1. Even now I don't feel like going back and reread the, what, 5 pages of this game?

I have a feeling Galzria is scum this game. But I don't want to act on it.
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #101 on: January 06, 2022, 01:29:36 pm »

I have a feeling Galzria is scum this game. But I don't want to act on it.

What a scummy thing to say. Trying to create partner interaction? Or interpreted interaction?

I'll leave my vote on MiX. I think it's good there
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #102 on: January 06, 2022, 09:33:18 pm »

@scola, do you have anything to say about your wagon?
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #103 on: January 06, 2022, 09:54:57 pm »

Vote: MiX
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #104 on: January 07, 2022, 04:01:54 am »

It's near deadline already?

Sorry everyone, I'm just really busy until the 11th, so I probably won't give much time to this D1. Even now I don't feel like going back and reread the, what, 5 pages of this game?

I have a feeling Galzria is scum this game. But I don't want to act on it.

where does that feeling come from?
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #105 on: January 07, 2022, 08:19:33 am »

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Awaclus, why do you find him scummy? What do you think about Scola?
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #106 on: January 07, 2022, 08:20:47 am »

Galz, why the Swowl vote?
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #107 on: January 07, 2022, 11:16:22 am »

Didds and pasta... why the lack of voting still?  We're just over 26 hours to deadline.
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #108 on: January 07, 2022, 01:27:09 pm »

Vote: MiX

Awaclus, why do you find him scummy? What do you think about Scola?

For reasons. I could also go back to voting Scola.
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #109 on: January 07, 2022, 02:01:15 pm »

Vote: MiX

Awaclus, why do you find him scummy? What do you think about Scola?

For reasons. I could also go back to voting Scola.

Ah yes, those "reasons".  Elusive "reasons".  Sounds very familiar... like we seem to have this discussion every other game why some people don't give their "reasons".
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #110 on: January 07, 2022, 02:03:31 pm »

I'm confused why scola isn't interacting with us more around his wagon. I think we have the votes to exile him. No one else is being suggested. In a larger game, that would suggest he was town. I'm not sure how that plays out in a small game like this. Someone did mention Galz but didn't elaborate.
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #111 on: January 07, 2022, 02:11:43 pm »

Vote: MiX

Awaclus, why do you find him scummy? What do you think about Scola?

For reasons. I could also go back to voting Scola.

Ah yes, those "reasons".  Elusive "reasons".  Sounds very familiar... like we seem to have this discussion every other game why some people don't give their "reasons".

Yeah, you'd assume eventually people would remember not to ask.
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #112 on: January 07, 2022, 02:28:55 pm »

Galz, why the Swowl vote?

Unexplained vote on Awaclus, which you will see as I list all of his points he's never brought back up again (or changed):

yoyo - Happy New Year!

set up talk in a game where you are explicitly told the mod "may not be able to be trusted" seems pointless. and I fucking love set up talk.

Vote: Awaclus

Nothing Post, not scum hunting in any meaningful way:
yoyo - Happy New Year!

set up talk in a game where you are explicitly told the mod "may not be able to be trusted" seems pointless. and I fucking love set up talk.

Vote: Awaclus

Why not just vote for joth then?

... what?

Answering for EFHW, not scum hunting in any meaningful way:
Slow starting game. Then again, we're just 9, but gkrieg hasn't showed up yet.


This is a bastard game. You can trust what the mod tells you to a point. But some things I say may not be entirely true. Or not true in the way you think they are.

Does this include role pms? What about win conditions?


Just thought about something: why didn't you just ask this in your QT?

its a BM with no set up info. no one that is town should be asking public info questions in their QT and not in the public thread.

The first (and only) post that might be considered scum hunting, but really it's just the start of his series of deflections from Scola - with no seeming goal of actually deciphering the alignment of either EFHW or MiX.
EFHW - what you find skummy about that?
Like also mix what do you find skummy about the response he had?

Could they of responded in a way that was not going to be skummy? Or was it just the fact that they responded?

Nothing Post - No scum hunting in any meaningful way:
I was going to vote MiX here, but I’m going to leave my vote on Scola for right now. I would also consider Datswan or Gkrieg at this point in time.

I’m like… 99% sure DatSwan is not in this game

And this is why I say his post asking EFHW & MiX about Scola wasn't actually scum hunting - because EFHW's response was met with the below, where there's no train of thought about how EFHW's response might say something about her alignment - instead, he's simply debating why he thinks she shouldn't find Scola scummy:
EFHW - what you find skummy about that?
Like also mix what do you find skummy about the response he had?

Could they of responded in a way that was not going to be skummy? Or was it just the fact that they responded?

It has the ring of a classic scum post - making generalizations about how they play and how town and scum play. Safe stuff, no commitments.

I'd vote him, but I don't want to put him at E-1 so early in the day.

do you disagree with anything he said?
he was answering a question right? all of it seems to check out to me.
There is no definitive answer, it is open ended, so I don't see not having commitments here skummy. Nor towny.


These were the 6 posts he's made, in total, prior to my vote. I feel like Swowl is actively posting, so that he cannot be called a lurker, but I don't feel like Swowl is actively engaged in finding scum.

His deflection from Scola makes Scola a slightly worse exile between the two - because scum!Swowl is more likely to do that to town!Scola than scum!Scola. And in the consideration of town!Swowl - Why would town!Swowl spend his time deflecting from unknown!Scola, while also spending no time at all scum hunting? Again... his vote is still currently on Awaclus from his first post of the day.

Ultimately, I feel like Swowl is posting to stay active, but is actively NOT scum hunting, which doesn't feel like town!Swowl.

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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #113 on: January 07, 2022, 02:32:09 pm »

Actually:

Gkrieg, what was the reasoning for your MiX vote?

Mostly RVS. Partially him talking about nothing.

Can you specify the "nothing" that he was talking about?
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #114 on: January 07, 2022, 02:34:41 pm »

People that tend to single out my low involvement early in the game are either scum or Faust generally.

Oy vey the problems with this post.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #115 on: January 07, 2022, 03:31:09 pm »

Didds and pasta... why the lack of voting still?  We're just over 26 hours to deadline.
I know!  I am working on it.
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #116 on: January 07, 2022, 03:37:40 pm »

I am more persuaded by Galz than the Scola folks, although he is my second choice.  The MiX reasons are... uh...hard to evaluate.  I'm not sure his lack of activity is any worse than gkriegs. I do not understand at all why gkrieg can just check out of D1 with no repercussions, though.

So, my scummy to not list is
Swowl
Scola
gkrieg
MiX
math
Awaclus
Galz
EFHW
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #117 on: January 07, 2022, 03:38:41 pm »

Vote: Swowl
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #118 on: January 07, 2022, 03:38:56 pm »

People that tend to single out my low involvement early in the game are either scum or Faust generally.

Oy vey the problems with this post.

Right?!?!
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #119 on: January 07, 2022, 04:05:49 pm »

I am more persuaded by Galz than the Scola folks, although he is my second choice.  The MiX reasons are... uh...hard to evaluate.  I'm not sure his lack of activity is any worse than gkriegs. I do not understand at all why gkrieg can just check out of D1 with no repercussions, though.

So, my scummy to not list is
Swowl
Scola
gkrieg
MiX
math
Awaclus
Galz
EFHW

EFHW town? Why?

I have Galz and Awaclus on top of my town list too, but mostly because that's who I remember being townie. Of course, Galzria's recent wall post skyrocketed him to townhood. Just reached that threshold of pro-town.
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #120 on: January 07, 2022, 04:18:02 pm »

EFHW town? Why?

I have Galz and Awaclus on top of my town list too, but mostly because that's who I remember being townie. Of course, Galzria's recent wall post skyrocketed him to townhood. Just reached that threshold of pro-town.

Why not? She has made some good observations about Scola and I am in 100% agreement on the gkrieg vote
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #121 on: January 07, 2022, 04:59:08 pm »

Vote: MiX

Awaclus, why do you find him scummy? What do you think about Scola?

For reasons. I could also go back to voting Scola.

Ah yes, those "reasons".  Elusive "reasons".  Sounds very familiar... like we seem to have this discussion every other game why some people don't give their "reasons".

Yeah, you'd assume eventually people would remember not to ask.

I think it's fine to ask, I might respond some other way and that would be suspicious.
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #122 on: January 07, 2022, 07:17:05 pm »

@scola, do you have anything to say about your wagon?

All 3 votes came after one one post of mine (the one where I tried to discuss the game setup - which I still don't think is a bad thing). So I don't make too much of the original votes, NAI.

I'm confused why scola isn't interacting with us more around his wagon. I think we have the votes to exile him. No one else is being suggested. In a larger game, that would suggest he was town. I'm not sure how that plays out in a small game like this. Someone did mention Galz but didn't elaborate.

I mean there wasn't much to say on the wagon other than it seemed based on the fact that I'm not a big fan of RVS and wanted to discuss setup. I get your point that my posts have been somewhat generic, but I do think that's typical for me on D1 (when town, because I'm still just trying to get my bearings; and also when scum. because I'm trying to emulate scolatowna).



Didds and pasta... why the lack of voting still?  We're just over 26 hours to deadline.

Mostly because no one has really jumped out as scum so far. I think a lot of posts (including my own) have been fairly generic; I guess except for the ones discussing me.

I do think WCD's case for Swowl sounded plausible. So maybe I'll lean there? I'll reread some later tonight and try to at least throw an initial vote. I expect to be around tonight and for deadline too, so am not too worried about not having voted yet.




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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #123 on: January 07, 2022, 08:38:38 pm »

Mobile and semi vla for like 2 days but to summarize.

1. Galz focusing on my “lack of skum hunting” is both fishy and incorrect. Just because you say it is not skum hunting based on how the situation pans out and your opinion does not make it true. B) literally no one is skum hunting by your logic - why single me out.

2. Awaclus obviously was rvs it was jn my first post and i am not a fan of any of the other wagons and still really am not.

3. WCD is also off, but that is just bc she is normally better at reading me i think.

I am not huge fan of a mix vote. I know we are close but i need to finish driving, back in a bit.



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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #124 on: January 08, 2022, 07:07:06 am »

Mobile and semi vla for like 2 days but to summarize.

3. WCD is also off, but that is just bc she is normally better at reading me i think.


Two things… there hasn’t been much content to assess and normally town!Swowl hangs out with me more. So my read is largely based on Galzy, but also this lack of interaction.
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