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[EFHW]

Fang's scumslip argument was too contrived,  so it looked to me like scum trying to appear to be scumhunting.

[EFHW]

@Dylan, Can you point to your earlier comments on Didds? I looked but can't find them.

[jotheonah]

Vote: EFHW

[Dylan32]

@Dylan, Can you point to your earlier comments on Didds? I looked but can't find them.

I didn’t say anything about Didds. I said if anyone hit X-3 today I would vote to start the process of proving Joseph and myself IC since that may not be a real option in the future.

[EFHW]

@Dylan, Can you point to your earlier comments on Didds? I looked but can't find them.

I didn’t say anything about Didds. I said if anyone hit X-3 today I would vote to start the process of proving Joseph and myself IC since that may not be a real option in the future.

Oh, alright.

[scolapasta]

Fang's scumslip argument was too contrived,  so it looked to me like scum trying to appear to be scumhunting.

Finally caught up after a busy weekend.

Yeah, this argument makes sense to me. Combine that with my previous suspicions, I'm ok with a:

Vote: fang

[Joseph2302]

Joseph isn't going to do anything right now. Been a long weekend, will contribute more later tomorrow

[scolapasta]

We should be a little wary, deadline is in less than 48 hours and unless we have two mayors, the Joseph and Dylan plan will not lead to an exile. AND I 'm not convinced we want to exile WCD* anyway (that would not be my choice for the experiment), which means we effectively start the whole process over again...

Also, if we do get WCD to X-1 with both their votes, should we at all be worried scum might try for a quick hammer? (I doubt it, because I think it would put a huge target on whoever does it, if WCD is, in fact, town)

[EFHW]

Day 1 quickhammer seems unlikely. And we won't be sure about when it's X-1.

I'll see if there is more of a case to make on fang tomorrow.

[Dylan32]

Day 1 quickhammer seems unlikely. And we won't be sure about when it's X-1.

I'll see if there is more of a case to make on fang tomorrow.

Agree it’s probably not something that is likely to happen (but I will say if it does I’m not giving the person the benefit of the doubt that scum wouldn’t do it lol).

As long as Joseph is telling the truth, the two of us voting without triggering an exile would—in my mind—be overwhelmingly likely to be X-1, and the only other option would be that we are both drunks and nearly a fifth of the town is incapable of voting.

Had we not ended up all mayor PMs claim, I would agree it would be a lot risker, but at this point I feel pretty safe assuming we all have. If a different wagon runs up to X-3 I’d be willing to move to it instead of Didds.

[gkrieg13]

Haven’t been reading too carefully, but see the X-1 and am leaving me vote.

[faust]

Hey MiX, can we get your opinion on the Didds wagon?

Your main argument for voting EFHW seems to be "she hasn't done anything"; the same is certainly true of Didds.

[Dylan32]

Vote "count" 1.2:
Votes for EFHW: MiX
Votes for fang: EFHW
votes for MiX: Joseph2302
votes for WestCoastDidds: faust, gkrieg13, infangthief

not voting: Dylan32, jotheonah, scolapasta, Swowl, WestCoastDidds
(with 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to exile)

Reminder: Day 1 ends at 3:00pm EST on Tuesday, December 7th (that's just over 52 hours away)

Following through on what I said last night, Vote: Didds. That's either X-1 or X-3.

If Joseph votes now that will be pretty bad for us. Can you wait for Didds to have 2 votes?

Um... I think you are mistaken unless I'm not seeing something. The only way it's bad (meaning the exile goes through) for Joseph to vote now would be if he lied and is scum with a vote or if we are both mayors rather than one of us being a drunk, the latter of which I think is a scenario we can practically ignore.

This sounds like you are assuming Joseph is the drunk and you are the mayor.

Sorry, been reading on mobile today and just saw this.

How? No matter which role I am and which one Joseph is, the result of us voting together should be 2 votes, unless A) we are both mayors which like I said we might as well not worry about B) we are both drunks which I think we can ignore because of how much that would gimp town in my mind. Nothing in anything I said there assumes, implies, or relies on either of us having a specific role; it just lays out why we can relatively safely assume we are one of each and us voting together at X-3 D1 is safe unless he is scum. Further, I know (and didn’t say) that us voting safely here by itself proves us IC because if I’m drunk and he’s scum, it wouldn’t trigger an exile. Obviously someone would have to hammer to prove there were exactly 2 votes between us and that would prove the claims (most likely; a vote or two more would be needed if it’s scum + drunk or double drunk)

[faust]

vote: fang. Bad case.

I've been meaning to post

Vote: EFHW. Bad case.

Except I don't really want to vote for EFHW.

[infangthief]

Fang's scumslip argument was too contrived,  so it looked to me like scum trying to appear to be scumhunting.

True, I got a bit excited I might have found something. Managed to hold back enough to see what other people thought, instead of the mindless headlong tunnel I found myself in with chairs in my first game. But still, couldn't resist the possible glory of catching two scum on day 1.

[infangthief]

I don't think fakeclaiming mayor would be a smart scum move, but I don't feel either claim is particularly compelling, and there are weak spots in both, as I have pointed out. I don't want to hand them IC status quite yet.

You pointed out weak spots in Joseph's claim?

[infangthief]

I'm happy with handing them IC status.

And now I can't help chucking at the picture:
Dylan and Joseph take their seats at the front of the city council. "Right, so here we are, time for a new era. One of us is your Mayor, and one of us is drunk. We're not sure which. But together we will lead you into a new and brighter era for our city. Trust us."

[MiX]

Hey MiX, can we get your opinion on the Didds wagon?

Your main argument for voting EFHW seems to be "she hasn't done anything"; the same is certainly true of Didds.

Sure, but Didds doesn't do much D1, right? EFHW does more.

Those are two relevant scenarios. Importantly, if an exile goes through, then scum knows your roles but we do not.

Also, if one of you is mayor and the other is drunk, voting now isn't good either. So I see no benefit of that vote.

Did you see this Dylan?

[faust]

Hey MiX, can we get your opinion on the Didds wagon?

Your main argument for voting EFHW seems to be "she hasn't done anything"; the same is certainly true of Didds.

Sure, but Didds doesn't do much D1, right? EFHW does more.

This wasn't an answer to my question.

[faust]

I'm happy with handing them IC status.

And now I can't help chucking at the picture:
Dylan and Joseph take their seats at the front of the city council. "Right, so here we are, time for a new era. One of us is your Mayor, and one of us is drunk. We're not sure which. But together we will lead you into a new and brighter era for our city. Trust us."

Also, they are both mice.

[MiX]

Hey MiX, can we get your opinion on the Didds wagon?

Your main argument for voting EFHW seems to be "she hasn't done anything"; the same is certainly true of Didds.

Sure, but Didds doesn't do much D1, right? EFHW does more.

This wasn't an answer to my question.

I don't like it. It's probably scum-driven. I'm not exactly townreading Didds though.

[faust]

Hey MiX, can we get your opinion on the Didds wagon?

Your main argument for voting EFHW seems to be "she hasn't done anything"; the same is certainly true of Didds.

Sure, but Didds doesn't do much D1, right? EFHW does more.

This wasn't an answer to my question.

I don't like it. It's probably scum-driven. I'm not exactly townreading Didds though.

And you'd rather vote for a lurker than for someone on a "probably scum-driven" wagon?

[MiX]

And you'd rather vote for a lurker than for someone on a "probably scum-driven" wagon?

Didds is much more of a lurker than EFHW...

I was thinking of voting fang, but I don't know. I don't think we can solve who's scum in that wagon yet.

[faust]

And you'd rather vote for a lurker than for someone on a "probably scum-driven" wagon?

Didds is much more of a lurker than EFHW...

And I have never said otherwise. However, unlike EFHW, she is also scum.

[MiX]

And you'd rather vote for a lurker than for someone on a "probably scum-driven" wagon?

Didds is much more of a lurker than EFHW...

And I have never said otherwise. However, unlike EFHW, she is also scum.

Hmm, okay. Consider me convinced, but I can't vote for Didds as that might be hammer.