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[faust]

I am going to look at some vote counts using mathdude's info dumps (thanks!).

D1

iguanaiguana (1): 2.71828.....
EFHW (4): WestCoastDidds, iguanaiguana, jotheonah, Jimmmmm
Jimmmmm (3): faust, MiX, mathdude
faust (1): LaLight
Not Voting (3): Swowl, EFHW, gkrieg13

For anyone believing that e can be town, this should dissuade you from an iguana/joth/Jimmmmm team.

EFHW - WCD, iguana, joth
Jimmmmm - faust, MiX, math, EFHW
faust - LaLight, Jimmmmm

The Jimmmmm wagon is curious -  with me, MiX, EFHW, there's 3 town. math is the only unknown, which makes him more likely scum. Or i suppose Jimmmmm is scum. Both being town seems unlikely (note that joth joins this wagon later also, but not for some time).

EFHW - WCD, MiX, joth, Swowl
Jimmmmm - math, EFHW
faust - Jimmmmm
math - 2.71, iguana, gkrieg
MiX - LaLight, faust

Everyone on the EFHW wagon is town except for joth. Pair that with the EoD1 wagon:

Jimmmmm (2): mathdude, jotheonah
mathdude (5): 2.71828....., iguanaiguana, gkrieg13, Jimmmmm, EFHW
MiX (1): LaLight
jotheonah (4): faust, MiX, WestCoastDidds, Swowl,

where the joth wagon is all town (and town!EFHW was also briefly there) - this makes me quite suspicious of joth.

D2

mathdude: EFHW, gkrieg, MiX, joth
joth: Swowl
gkrieg: faust, WCD, iguana, Jim, math
WCD: 2.71

The mathdude wagon is all town until joth joins... which again casts doubt on his townieness.

mathdude (3): EFHW, gkrieg13, jotheonah,
jotheonah (3): Swowl, MiX, WestCoastDidds
gkrieg13 (4): faust, iguanaiguana, Jimmmmm, mathdude
WestCoastDidds (1): 2.71828.....

Here, again, we have an all-town wagon on joth.

jotheonah (1): Swowl
gkrieg13 (6): faust, iguanaiguana, Jimmmmm, mathdude, MiX, WestCoastDidds
WestCoastDidds (4): 2.71828....., EFHW, gkrieg13, jotheonah

The EoD2 Didds wagon was supported by 2 townies, it definitely makes sense that joth might join a scumpartner!e there in order to not be on the misexile.

PPE: 5

[faust]

Read my posts before the mass claim? Do they feel like scum that thought through exactly how they would claim the next day?

I love the self-report. "Actually, I didn't yet know that I was going to claim Cop."

[2.71828.....]

Read my posts before the mass claim? Do they feel like scum that thought through exactly how they would claim the next day?

I love the self-report. "Actually, I didn't yet know that I was going to claim Cop."

Haha, it is true I didn't know if I would claim full cop or 1-shot cop.

I was very tempted to lie and make up a N1 target

[2.71828.....]

Read my posts before the mass claim? Do they feel like scum that thought through exactly how they would claim the next day?

I love the self-report. "Actually, I didn't yet know that I was going to claim Cop."

Also, not directed at you, don't bias joth's reread.

[MiX]

Read my posts before the mass claim? Do they feel like scum that thought through exactly how they would claim the next day?

I love the self-report. "Actually, I didn't yet know that I was going to claim Cop."

Haha, it is true I didn't know if I would claim full cop or 1-shot cop.

I was very tempted to lie and make up a N1 target

Oh? Can you talk about what ultimately lead to your decision?

[mathdude]

Wow, I went to bed late, and still have many pages to catch up on this morning. Reading now, but off to work soon. Will be on mobile reading through the day.

[2.71828.....]

Read my posts before the mass claim? Do they feel like scum that thought through exactly how they would claim the next day?

I love the self-report. "Actually, I didn't yet know that I was going to claim Cop."

Haha, it is true I didn't know if I would claim full cop or 1-shot cop.

I was very tempted to lie and make up a N1 target

Oh? Can you talk about what ultimately lead to your decision?

I was not 100% on anyone for sure being town and anyone who read my D2 would know any sort of "investigation into gkrieg or EFHW" would just not be genuine which would erode confidence in my claim. And really same goes for other people who haven't flipped.

I played D2 the same way I played D1. Poorly, and with no information beyond knowing that I am town.

So in the end, the adventurous daring me lost out to the much more rational "town tells the truth always" principled me.

I did play with it a bit, yeah. But I was always very clear that I exclusively claimed N2.

A premise I was kind of playing with was that scum would ask the N1 target. Because they want to know for sure if I am a full cop (worth NKing) or a 1-shot cop (maybe leave alive if a better target presents itself). That was presumptuous of course, I really wasn't anticipating mass immediate rejection of my claim.

[WestCoastDidds]

I am inclined to believe e.

I’m not quite sure why others don’t. I need to reread to suss that out but I have to work and stuff first.

[jotheonah]

I am inclined to believe e.

I’m not quite sure why others don’t. I need to reread to suss that out but I have to work and stuff first.

It’s the timing.

Which is more likely— town jumped the claim order because they didn’t want any more claims to happen than necessary or scum jumped the claim order to avoid being backed into a corner and to give their cop claim more cred?

[WestCoastDidds]

I am inclined to believe e.

I’m not quite sure why others don’t. I need to reread to suss that out but I have to work and stuff first.

It’s the timing.

Which is more likely— town jumped the claim order because they didn’t want any more claims to happen than necessary or scum jumped the claim order to avoid being backed into a corner and to give their cop claim more cred?

But if there are town who make his role unlikely/impossible, they’d say something, right?

[WestCoastDidds]

I’m not trying to be dense…

[jotheonah]

I am inclined to believe e.

I’m not quite sure why others don’t. I need to reread to suss that out but I have to work and stuff first.

It’s the timing.

Which is more likely— town jumped the claim order because they didn’t want any more claims to happen than necessary or scum jumped the claim order to avoid being backed into a corner and to give their cop claim more cred?

But if there are town who make his role unlikely/impossible, they’d say something, right?

One hopes. The logic of when we do and don’t believe claims in this community is pretty opaque to me too.

I also have been hard townreading iguana and less so e.

[WestCoastDidds]

Yeah, but you were also convinced I was scum?

[iguanaiguana]

Lots to respond to. I will have to make some time later.

Vote: e for now

and I'm VT

[iguanaiguana]

I don't know why e picked me. When I am town, I have endless capacity to prove it by explaining every detail of my thoughts and feelings at any given moment. Go ahead and fire away, I'm happy to answer any question about my play.

[iguanaiguana]

It does seem like scum wanted to get to the strong LyLo position through my exile and don't mind sacrificing a player to get there. I would suspect they have another gambit lined up to try to win them LyLo.

Looking at Faust lining up both our exiles... I would say Faust is e's partner here.

[jotheonah]

Yeah, but you were also convinced I was scum?

For a handful of reasons all explained by you being a mason.

[jotheonah]

Also I’m a VT.

[faust]

Looking at Faust lining up both our exiles... I would say Faust is e's partner here.

I'm not following. Without my intervention, you would be exiled, (presumably) flip town, and then e gets exiled.

With my intervention, e is exiled first, and then you have a shot at proving your townieness.

I am in fact doing the opposite of lining up exiles.

[iguanaiguana]

I find it presumptuous that you say I would be exiled without your intervention. But sure.

 The part where you said we are probably both scum and I'm next was the part where I felt like you were lining up exiles lol

[iguanaiguana]

I mean....
Vote: Iguana

We are not in lylo. E! is pretty much assured to never be lying about Iguana being skum here.

Yes but iguana is the exile that scum wants us to do, probably because he's the least important role in their operation.

[iguanaiguana]

So I guess it's e/iguana/X?

Should this change the order in which we exile them?

Here is you putting us in a literal line

[faust]

I guess anyone who's calling a scumteam is lining up exiles then.

[Swowl]

DisSwan out of town and Galz and Raptor and me should not be left alone.
will either be back tonight or tomorrow.

[mathdude]

Let me make sure I haven't missed anything.

E claims 1-shot cop with guilty result on iguana.

Faust is sure e is lying, has the game figured out, and isn't sure why the rest of us don't yet.

Faust said MiX/WCD are masons which they have confirmed.

Faust says Swowl is 1-shot cop who likely had innocent result on EFHW, but this isn't confirmed or denied.

And we've had some speculation about the setup.

Anything else important I've missed? It definitely looks like e or iguana tonight. I'll be back with my take after a reread and after kids are in bed.