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[iguanaiguana]

My reaction to VT was that it gave no indication it would not come from scum because I've seen scum claim VT at X-1 a million times.

So I don't really know what to make of your argument.

EBWOP

[jotheonah]

I've seen scum claim VT at X-1 a million times.

Ok. Name 3.

[iguanaiguana]

I haven't played a normal game in three years lol

[mathdude]

But Swowl has been active day 2.

More active than he was on D1 does not necessarily mean we call him active D2.  I feel Swowl is still one of the least active here today.  Like gkrieg, he shows up once in a while, makes a whole bunch of posts (presumably from catching up, and replying to everything at once), then disappears again for a while.

[gkrieg13]

FWIW, joth seems townie to me. He is not doing any of the things people have said that scum!joth do (fade into the background, interact with people without actually making reads).

Math is still very scummy to me. He keeps posting things for other people to analyze, trying to look townie without actually pushing people.

EFHW is probably town here, she is fading into the background and will likely be left alive at the end of the game and will make the correct decision for town.

iguana is also town. His reads are not good and he is being very stubborn about them.

MiX may be scum. He hasn't really been pushed very much, and has weirdly been in the background. His responses to people have been much more terse than usual I think.

I actually think that faust is also likely town, and just adding to his horrible track record of reading me incorrectly.

Didds is also another person I would look toward as scum. Not exactly sure why.

e is playing very differently from the last game I was in with him. Not sure about him yet.

Jimmmm could also be scum.

My random called-on-D1-basically scum team is Didds/math/MiX, with Jimmmmmm as first alternate and e as second alternate. Faust could also be scum, but I'm not sure yet.

[gkrieg13]

Oops, forgot about Swowl.

[gkrieg13]

Oops, forgot about Swowl.

Swowl takes the first alternate position, Jimmmm gets moved to second alternate, e gets moved off the team.

[mathdude]

gkrieg's frustration here is relatable, but not alignment indicative. I could see this coming from scum or town.

the VT claim from gkrieg is pretty towny. all other things equal, scum should claim a PR at X1 so they can at worst get a counterclaim out of their exile and at best buy another day. That's best play in most cases.

scum!gkrieg should only claim VT if he thinks that it will somehow get him off the hook, and there was no indication here that it would. Doesn't that give anyone else pause?

Unvote

I agree his claim wasn't alignment indicative.  Given the potential in the setup, if he's scum, he could go either way.  And regardless of whether he tries to claim PR for counterclaim or claim VT, it's WIFOM.  Also, I don't even see that a counterclaim would happen, since there are potentials in this setup for multiples of the same roles, unless I'm missing something.  Maybe his VT was exactly calculated to get your reaction... or maybe you're his partner, and are using a last-ditch effort to try and save him.

Regardless, it's all relatively useless, since he's purely defensive at the moment.

Even his "final reads" post is WIFOM.  If he flips town, then at least that's useful (more useful than LL left us yesterday!).  If he flips scum, then we basically don't read anything he said, since he's trying to manipulate us with it... it will be full of half-truths, half-lies, some full truths, and some flat out lies.

[jotheonah]

experience shows me that if he's town we'll ignore it anyway

[jotheonah]

alright, I'll face the facts that we're not going to get a different exile off in the next  1.5 hours.

vote: gkrieg

[gkrieg13]

hammer hammer hammer

[WestCoastDidds]

I’m back.

Are we ready?

[jotheonah]

I'm not feeling great about it but sure.

[MiX]

I'm here.

Before you hammer, can I get a summary of events?

[jotheonah]

I'm here.

Before you hammer, can I get a summary of events?

Sure.

faust made a bad suggestion
everyone else got onboard for some reason
a few of us tried to steer us to other places but nobody listened to us and everybody scumread us
I finally relented out of self-preservation and resignation
we're about to hammer someone who's I'd say 70/30 to be town

[jotheonah]

I should be more positive. maybe we'll get lucky.

[EFHW]

vote: Didds

How is this helpful, less than 4 hours to deadline... without any reasons telling others why they should join?

There has been recent interest expressed in a Didds exile and I disagree with the gkrieg wagon. This frees me up to vote wherever I want, since I know I won't be voting for him. Her intent to hammer was scummy because there is no case. She seems to be doing what other people want without having any strong feeling about gkrieg herself.

[gkrieg13]

vote: Didds

[MiX]

I'm here.

Before you hammer, can I get a summary of events?

Sure.

faust made a bad suggestion
everyone else got onboard for some reason
a few of us tried to steer us to other places but nobody listened to us and everybody scumread us
I finally relented out of self-preservation and resignation
we're about to hammer someone who's I'd say 70/30 to be town

Dayvig: joth

Can anyone else give me a summary of events?

[iguanaiguana]

I sit here and I write the case and I write the case and people keep saying there is no case. Sorry, but that's scummy too.

[MiX]

vote: Didds

Intent to hammer

[jotheonah]

vote: Didds

[iguanaiguana]

I'm here.

Before you hammer, can I get a summary of events?

Sure.

faust made a bad suggestion
everyone else got onboard for some reason
a few of us tried to steer us to other places but nobody listened to us and everybody scumread us
I finally relented out of self-preservation and resignation
we're about to hammer someone who's I'd say 70/30 to be town

Dayvig: joth

Can anyone else give me a summary of events?

I argued a lot with gkrieg and he pushed me really hard to back off my read. I continued to feel good about it. Joth and EFHW came in to try to save gkrieg. gkrieg claimed VT and Joth said "claiming VT at X-1 makes you town."

[jotheonah]

I sit here and I write the case and I write the case and people keep saying there is no case. Sorry, but that's scummy too.

it's because the case is bad.

[mathdude]

vote: Didds

How is this helpful, less than 4 hours to deadline... without any reasons telling others why they should join?

There has been recent interest expressed in a Didds exile and I disagree with the gkrieg wagon. This frees me up to vote wherever I want, since I know I won't be voting for him. Her intent to hammer was scummy because there is no case. She seems to be doing what other people want without having any strong feeling about gkrieg herself.

I think there had been much more interest expressed in voting faust, rather than Didds. If you wanted to swing votes somewhere else, I think that would have been a more likely spot.

PPE... turns out I was wrong.  There seems to be a huge last-minute swing towards Didds now.  Why?