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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1200 on: September 27, 2021, 09:04:04 am »

(I donít actually think heís scum currently. I think he and MiX are annoyingly wrong town together.)
How am I wrong? Do you think gkrieg is town? If so, why?

Because there is absolutely no good reason to think he's scum.

I am about ready to move to him just because I'd rather the exile not be me, but I really dislike the wagon.  It's a lazy nothing wagon. I guess he could be scum. But idk  why people don't see that Swowl is just the same exile but better.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1201 on: September 27, 2021, 09:20:24 am »

But idk  why people don't see that Swowl is just the same exile but better.
If you believe that I am town then you should also believe that I have a good reason to call Swowl town.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1202 on: September 27, 2021, 09:24:12 am »

Day 2 vote counts, extended... as of 6 hours to deadline:

Vote Count 2.1
mathdude (2): MiX, 2.71828.....
MiX (1): jotheonah
jotheonah (2): Swowl, faust
faust (1): mathdude
Not Voting (5): gkrieg13, Jimmmmm, iguanaiguana, EFHW, WestCoastDidds

mathdude: MiX, 2.71
MiX: joth
joth: Swowl, faust
faust: math, iguana

mathdude: MiX, 2.71, EFHW
MiX: joth
joth: Swowl, faust
faust: iguana

Vote Count 2.2
mathdude (2): MiX, EFHW
jotheonah (2): Swowl, faust
faust (2): , iguanaiguana, 2.71828.....
Not Voting (5): gkrieg13, Jimmmmm, WestCoastDidds, mathdude, jotheonah

mathdude: MiX, EFHW, gkrieg
joth: Swowl
faust: iguana
iguana: 2.71
2.71: faust

mathdude: MiX, EFHW, gkrieg
joth: Swowl
faust: iguana, 2.71
2.71: faust

mathdude: EFHW, gkrieg
joth: Swowl
faust: iguana, 2.71
gkrieg: faust, WCD, MiX
iguana: math

Vote Count 2.3
mathdude (3): EFHW, gkrieg13, MiX
jotheonah (1): Swowl,
faust (1): 2.71828.....
iguanaiguana (1): mathdude,
gkrieg13 (3): faust, WestCoastDidds, iguanaiguana
Swowl (1): jotheonah
Not Voting (1): Jimmmmm

mathdude: EFHW, gkrieg, MiX, joth
joth: Swowl
gkrieg: faust, WCD, iguana, Jim, math
WCD: 2.71

mathdude: EFHW, gkrieg
joth: Swowl, MiX
gkrieg: faust, WCD, iguana, Jim, math
WCD: 2.71, joth

Vote Count 2.4
mathdude (3): EFHW, gkrieg13, jotheonah,
jotheonah (3): Swowl, MiX, WestCoastDidds
gkrieg13 (4): faust, iguanaiguana, Jimmmmm, mathdude
WestCoastDidds (1): 2.71828.....
Not Voting (0):


For reference, here was the D1 extended vote counts:
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1203 on: September 27, 2021, 09:25:02 am »

On D1:
joth was up to 3 votes once, 5 votes once
EFHW was up to 4 votes twice
Jim was up to 4 votes three times
math was up to 5 votes once
I don't believe any others were ever above 2 votes.
These 3 had no votes on them: 2.71, WCD, Swowl

On D2:
math was up to 3 votes a few times, 4 votes 2 different times, now at 3
gkrieg was up to 3 votes once, then up to 5 once, now at 4
joth is now up to 3 votes
I don't believe any others were ever above 2 votes.
These 2 had no votes on them D2 yet: EFHW, Jim
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1204 on: September 27, 2021, 09:30:42 am »

Alright, well I would like to get claims and other X-1 shenanigans out of the way sooner rather than later and I would like to save my own hide which I'm increasingly concerned about and I guess if I'm going to townread faust then I suppose I can also sheep him so, though it pains me to do so, and though I suspect this preamble is going to look scummy if gkrieg flips town and my whole day will look scummy if he flips scum, which is going to make for a rough day 3 in any case,


vote: gkrieg

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1205 on: September 27, 2021, 09:34:15 am »

On D2:

MiX has voted for: math, gkrieg, math, joth
2.71 has voted for: math, faust, iguana, faust, WCD
joth has voted for: MiX, Swowl, math, WCD, math
Swowl has voted for: joth
faust has voted for: joth, 2.71, gkrieg
math has voted for: faust, iguana, gkrieg
iguana has voted for: faust, gkrieg
EFHW has voted for: math
gkrieg has voted for: math
WCD has voted for: gkrieg, joth
Jim has voted for: gkrieg


For reference, here was the D1 vote summaries:
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PPE: 1
(joth changing vote - is not included in this)
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1206 on: September 27, 2021, 09:35:32 am »

Intent to hammer gkrieg at my lunch break (1:15 forum time)
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1207 on: September 27, 2021, 09:38:43 am »

Player     Vote     Last post (time before deadline)     Wagons at time of last post     Ability to change vote before deadline     Willingness to change vote
MiXjothAround at deadline     math 5, joth 4YesUnwilling to move to mathdude
SwowljothAround at deadlinemath 5, joth 4YesDid not move to mathdude, but later indicated he tried to but was late
EFHWmathAround at deadlinemath 5, joth 4YesYes
iguanamath30 minutesmath 4, joth 4, Jim 3Later indicated inability due to being pulled away, and then was late     Indicated willing to avoid nexile
gkriegmath45 minutesmath 4, joth 3, Jim 3Indicated likely inabilityjoth yes, Jim no
emath55 minutesmath 4, joth 3, Jim 3No indicationjoth yes, Jim no
faustjoth1 hourmath 4, joth 3, Jim 3Later indicated he tried to but was lateNo indication
mathJim1.5 hoursmath 4, joth 3, Jim 3No indicationPresumed willing due to self-preservation
Jimmath3 hoursmath 4, joth 3, Jim 3Inability due to timezonesNo indication
jothJim3 hoursmath 3, joth 3, Jim 3Later indicated inability due to RL stuff     Presumed willing due to self-preservation
Diddsjoth3.5 hoursmath 3, joth 3, Jim 3Unsure due to going to the lakeYes

Just bringing this table back up for information now near EoD2... maybe this, combined with all the vote info I've summarized can help us sort some stuff out.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1208 on: September 27, 2021, 09:44:16 am »

Black and Orange decided to stick together after fixing the right side Oxygen tank and walked down towards shields. Orange paused thinking they heard the sound of rustling in the hallway vent, but they shrugged it off. Surely it was nothing.

Vote Count 2.5

mathdude (2): EFHW, gkrieg13
jotheonah (3): Swowl, MiX, WestCoastDidds
gkrieg13 (5): faust, iguanaiguana, Jimmmmm, mathdude, jotheonah
WestCoastDidds (1): 2.71828.....
Not Voting (0):

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to exile. Day 2 will end September 27, 2021, 03:00:00 pm. That is in just over 5 hours.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1209 on: September 27, 2021, 09:55:41 am »

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1210 on: September 27, 2021, 10:09:24 am »

Math, any conclusions from those votes?

Cause just throwing stuff out there is very scum indicative.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1211 on: September 27, 2021, 10:10:02 am »

Intent to hammer gkrieg at my lunch break (1:15 forum time)

If you don't really want joth, then

Vote: math
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1212 on: September 27, 2021, 10:11:12 am »

Alright, well I would like to get claims and other X-1 shenanigans out of the way sooner rather than later and I would like to save my own hide which I'm increasingly concerned about and I guess if I'm going to townread faust then I suppose I can also sheep him so, though it pains me to do so, and though I suspect this preamble is going to look scummy if gkrieg flips town and my whole day will look scummy if he flips scum, which is going to make for a rough day 3 in any case,


vote: gkrieg

sigh.

Sorry for distrusting you joth, I just can't accept misreading you ever.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1213 on: September 27, 2021, 10:50:45 am »

Alright, well I would like to get claims and other X-1 shenanigans out of the way sooner rather than later and I would like to save my own hide which I'm increasingly concerned about and I guess if I'm going to townread faust then I suppose I can also sheep him so, though it pains me to do so, and though I suspect this preamble is going to look scummy if gkrieg flips town and my whole day will look scummy if he flips scum, which is going to make for a rough day 3 in any case,


vote: gkrieg

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Sorry for distrusting you joth, I just can't accept misreading you ever.

Then stop doing it, my dude.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1214 on: September 27, 2021, 10:54:10 am »

Jim has voted for: gkrieg

Also Swowl.

You are correct... obviously.  Guess I missed it.  It happened shortly after official Vote Count 2.3, a couple days before you voted on gkrieg and stayed there.  I don't think it's worth reposting the big list and correcting that though... it's a small datapoint that doesn't seem that relevant, IMO.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1215 on: September 27, 2021, 11:06:31 am »

Math, any conclusions from those votes?

Cause just throwing stuff out there is very scum indicative.

My biggest "conclusion" is a question... why haven't we been able to consolidate and get a hammer off in nearly 2 days yet?  I'm fairly confident we will today, but it sounds like it might take some concessions.  There are some serious polarizing views, like "I won't vote ..." or "this person is scum", which is very helpful... unless we don't get the hammer.

So did we fail to hammer (or even get within X-1) D1 because scum wanted to keep everything in the dark?  I doubt it... an extra town death is helpful for them.
Was it because town didn't want to pull the trigger and look scummy if the flip ends up town?  That might be a possibility if we got to X-1 a few times.
Was it due to poor timing and inactivity?  I suspect this is more likely.  We waited too long and there weren't enough (or the right) people online near deadline.

Where are we at today?  4 hours to deadline.  We do have X-1 on gkrieg.  We have some people unwilling to vote there.  We still have a split between me and joth for currently preventing a second viable wagon.

I think we do flip gkrieg today.  His lurkiness and short bursts of participating may be par for his game, but they're also easy to mimic as scum.  We have polarizing opinions on him.  That helps tomorrow regardless, but when he flips scum, I think we're well on our way to finding partners.

If for some reason votes on him stall, it might make sense to flip me.  I have nothing "useful" to offer, other than the fact that I'm active.  There are enough reads on me, it would still help tomorrow.  The problem is, then we're another person behind in the game, and closer to scum endgaming us.

Also... "just throwing stuff out there" may be scum indicative if you do it, MiX.  But this is what I've got available, so this is what I post.  Until we start seeing useful flips, I don't have much for reads.  I can say "I see this and this happening", but I can't say "gkrieg did this D1 here, and in past games he normally does this instead if he's town", because I don't know much about his past games.  Once we see flips, I'll be able to look back at my summary posts here, if I'm still alive, and hopefully start putting some pieces together.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1216 on: September 27, 2021, 11:11:20 am »

A few more comments about the vote summaries I've listed...

On D2, MiX, e, and joth have all voted 5 times (MiX has for me 3 of those, the others have for 4 or 5 different people).  I get that this feels like D1 again.  But as a whole, we've been mostly consolidated.  Are these just ways for these 3 to prompt discussion beginning of D2?  Or are they looking around to see if anything will stick... scummy?

If we were going to have a 3rd viable wagon today, I would rather it have been faust instead of joth.  I think there had been enough interest expressed by a few people who would jump there (myself included), but no one ended up pulling the trigger and starting that wagon.  Going to re-read joth now, just because.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1217 on: September 27, 2021, 11:14:46 am »

vote: Didds
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1218 on: September 27, 2021, 11:16:29 am »

It seems joth has a lot more strong opinions about others than I remember others having about him.  I feel it's better to get a read on joth once we get a flip or two (from people he's commented about), rather than flipping him to try and use that to get reads on others.  If he's scum, it will come out soon, whether one of his strong townreads flips scum, or something else.  gkrieg has more people having opinions about him.  They both have made posts that can very easily fit the scum narrative, but I'd rather keep my vote on gkrieg.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1219 on: September 27, 2021, 11:17:17 am »

vote: Didds

How is this helpful, less than 4 hours to deadline... without any reasons telling others why they should join?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1220 on: September 27, 2021, 11:28:48 am »

vote: faust
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1221 on: September 27, 2021, 11:29:38 am »

It seems joth has a lot more strong opinions about others than I remember others having about him.  I feel it's better to get a read on joth once we get a flip or two (from people he's commented about), rather than flipping him to try and use that to get reads on others.  If he's scum, it will come out soon, whether one of his strong townreads flips scum, or something else.  gkrieg has more people having opinions about him.  They both have made posts that can very easily fit the scum narrative, but I'd rather keep my vote on gkrieg.

But wasnít your post on me self preservation? Which isnít necessary anymore?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1222 on: September 27, 2021, 11:32:31 am »

Just saw Didds intent. Iím VT
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1223 on: September 27, 2021, 11:50:34 am »

vote: faust
I'm sure you have some solid reasoning behind that considering how annoyed you were by the votes on you that didn't have reasoning.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1224 on: September 27, 2021, 12:15:23 pm »

Finally at a computer and able to look at the game carefully. It looks like gkrieg is about to be hammered?


Ugh, I just posted something long in relation to this post and then closed the window... stupid PPEs.

Anyway, it is easy for someone to change their reads. Everyone posts townie and scummy things, so you just cherrypick one of their posts and say it has changed your reads. Especially when there haven't been many flips.

At that point, math still hadn't done anything that screamed town to me, and a vote on someone is better than no vote.

Okay, so I see here you actually did respond to my read of you, actually you did twice now because I called you out for not doing that. But to me, the issue is--yes it's easy to fake changing your reads, but also it's even easier to fake keeping your reads the same when you don't even give reasons for any of those reads. And that was your D2 up to the point that you got pressure on you.

It's absurd for you in a way to be arguing that all of the cases against you are so flimsy. The cases on you are based on very little because you said very little until you had four votes on you. But that in itself is scummy.
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