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[WestCoastDidds]

Regarding Jimmmmm's textwalls above (re-digging into faust, now also looking at detail into EFHW), can someone who knows his meta better help me interpret them?  I'm not sure what to make of this effort.

Does scum!Jimmmmm dig in and try to find another valid wagon when he comes under fire?  Is this town!Jimmmmm honestly trying to seek out the truth?  Or is this is standard defense/response for him when he's up against a wall, regardless of alignment, making it NAI?

Unvote for now.

Truth be told, this is a new look from Jimmm for most of us. He's in Australia so he tends to be active when most of us are sleeping so his interactions are often out of time from the rest of us. I've played with him a handful of times and he tends to be rather lurky and then gets exiled, but has a reputation for being smart and solving games that predates my actual experience with him.

He doesn't usually lock horns with faust (although lots of other people do) but I am completely sympathetic to being bored and locked up so engaging more as a result. 

I find his level of engagement pretty towny, but on closer inspection it is probably NAI.

[WestCoastDidds]

Can someone tell me why mathdude is scummy?

And the big argument on jimmmm is that he's active?

I don't know...I think if we're taking a shot in the dark someone like Swowl who is just busy elsewhere (which is always super good scum cover, if need be) seems like less of a loss.

[MiX]

Jimmmmm is a very easy D1 misexile. He can't solve then and so he doesn't have much else other than activity tells. It's also a voice worth shutting down for later in the game. This is similar to gkrieg, honestly.

Yes he can be scum here. But there's not much else saying he's scum other than that.

Faust is only reading half of my posts and that's super townie. I understand scumreading me for buddying him, but saying I've been overemphasizing being town!MiX just ignores everything I've done into "it's townie, therefore it's scummy".

[MiX]

The mathdude wagon is extremely interesting. It's entirely composed of what faust would call lurkers.

Too interesting to give half-baked opinions on it.

[EFHW]

vote: mathdude

Are you trying to do a faust? I had to go back to page 4 (and I do 50 post pages) to find your last contributions, and math was not mentioned.

vote: gkrieg

[jotheonah]

Jimmmmm is a very easy D1 misexile. He can't solve then and so he doesn't have much else other than activity tells. It's also a voice worth shutting down for later in the game. This is similar to gkrieg, honestly.

Yes he can be scum here. But there's not much else saying he's scum other than that.

Faust is only reading half of my posts and that's super townie. I understand scumreading me for buddying him, but saying I've been overemphasizing being town!MiX just ignores everything I've done into "it's townie, therefore it's scummy".

Ok, so the scum team is MiX-Jimmmm and ... who else do we think?

[WestCoastDidds]

The mathdude wagon is extremely interesting. It's entirely composed of what faust would call lurkers.

Too interesting to give half-baked opinions on it.

Is e scummy? Or he just has a scummy wagon?

[WestCoastDidds]

The mathdude wagon is extremely interesting. It's entirely composed of what faust would call lurkers.

Too interesting to give half-baked opinions on it.

Is he scummy? Or he just has a scummy wagon?

He, not e

[MiX]

Jimmmmm is a very easy D1 misexile. He can't solve then and so he doesn't have much else other than activity tells. It's also a voice worth shutting down for later in the game. This is similar to gkrieg, honestly.

Yes he can be scum here. But there's not much else saying he's scum other than that.

Faust is only reading half of my posts and that's super townie. I understand scumreading me for buddying him, but saying I've been overemphasizing being town!MiX just ignores everything I've done into "it's townie, therefore it's scummy".

Ok, so the scum team is MiX-Jimmmm and ... who else do we think?

How to scum:

- Buddy faust
- Vote partner
- Wait for partner to get in an argument with faust
- Say they're both town and unvote
- Open up the option to bus
-
- Let Jimmmmm be exiled D1
- Infinite towncred

The mathdude wagon is extremely interesting. It's entirely composed of what faust would call lurkers.

Too interesting to give half-baked opinions on it.

Is he scummy? Or he just has a scummy wagon?

He, not e

Neither. Not sure.

[iguanaiguana]

I am here and have read. I worked 12 hours until 2am last night, am working 10 hours until midnight today and need to start getting ready soon. So I have reasons for where I voted that I want to share but just literally have not been able to sit at a desktop to write them down.

I can not do this game playing my style phone posting, but I'm hoping to get a couple hours tomorrow morning.

I find MiX lumping me in with the lurkers to be silly on its face. Time will tell I will blow your word count out of the water 

[MiX]

I am here and have read. I worked 12 hours until 2am last night, am working 10 hours until midnight today and need to start getting ready soon. So I have reasons for where I voted that I want to share but just literally have not been able to sit at a desktop to write them down.

I can not do this game playing my style phone posting, but I'm hoping to get a couple hours tomorrow morning.

I find MiX lumping me in with the lurkers to be silly on its face. Time will tell I will blow your word count out of the water 

I wasn't trying to call you a lurker, but i understand that it looks like I did.

Higher post count than me? Over my dead body!

Why did I vote you again?

Vote: EFHW

[jotheonah]

The case on Jimmmmm is not just that he's being active. It's that he's being active in a certain way in response to pressure that is consistent with his past play and inconsistent with this past town play. That's like a very good day 1 case. I appreciate faust doing the work to cross-reference it.

On top of that, he has:

-advocated for a policy exile in a really noncommittal way
-OMGUS voted for faust during their exchange
-been soft-defended by MiX in exactly the way that scum defends a partner (trying to deflect the exile without actually defending the player as townie).

There's like a lot here, fam. This isn't just nonsense.

[faust]

Jimmmmm is a very easy D1 misexile. He can't solve then and so he doesn't have much else other than activity tells. It's also a voice worth shutting down for later in the game. This is similar to gkrieg, honestly.

Yes he can be scum here. But there's not much else saying he's scum other than that.

Faust is only reading half of my posts and that's super townie. I understand scumreading me for buddying him, but saying I've been overemphasizing being town!MiX just ignores everything I've done into "it's townie, therefore it's scummy".

Ok, so the scum team is MiX-Jimmmm and ... who else do we think?

Didds is the third, clearly.

[faust]

vote: mathdude

Are you trying to do a faust? I had to go back to page 4 (and I do 50 post pages) to find your last contributions, and math was not mentioned.

vote: gkrieg

Is this the time you choose to abandon the Jimmmmm wagon?

[EFHW]

I am here and have read. I worked 12 hours until 2am last night, am working 10 hours until midnight today and need to start getting ready soon. So I have reasons for where I voted that I want to share but just literally have not been able to sit at a desktop to write them down.

I can not do this game playing my style phone posting, but I'm hoping to get a couple hours tomorrow morning.

I find MiX lumping me in with the lurkers to be silly on its face. Time will tell I will blow your word count out of the water 

I wasn't trying to call you a lurker, but i understand that it looks like I did.

Higher post count than me? Over my dead body!

Why did I vote you again?

Vote: EFHW

Does this vote mean you are insisting I choose between faust and Jimmmmm, and can't look anywhere else? We have 48 hours left. Gkrieg has not gotten any attention and is being scummy. Could say the same about Lalight, in fact. I'm not going to vote faust today. I might go back to Jimmmmm. I am feeling uncomfortable ever since joth got involved.

PPE: See this post

[MiX]

I am here and have read. I worked 12 hours until 2am last night, am working 10 hours until midnight today and need to start getting ready soon. So I have reasons for where I voted that I want to share but just literally have not been able to sit at a desktop to write them down.

I can not do this game playing my style phone posting, but I'm hoping to get a couple hours tomorrow morning.

I find MiX lumping me in with the lurkers to be silly on its face. Time will tell I will blow your word count out of the water 

I wasn't trying to call you a lurker, but i understand that it looks like I did.

Higher post count than me? Over my dead body!

Why did I vote you again?

Vote: EFHW

Does this vote mean you are insisting I choose between faust and Jimmmmm, and can't look anywhere else? We have 48 hours left. Gkrieg has not gotten any attention and is being scummy. Could say the same about Lalight, in fact. I'm not going to vote faust today. I might go back to Jimmmmm. I am feeling uncomfortable ever since joth got involved.

PPE: See this post

No, not at all. Did you mean to quote the previous post?

[MiX]

Does this vote mean you are insisting I choose between faust and Jimmmmm, and can't look anywhere else? We have 48 hours left. Gkrieg has not gotten any attention and is being scummy. Could say the same about Lalight, in fact. I'm not going to vote faust today. I might go back to Jimmmmm. I am feeling uncomfortable ever since joth got involved.

PPE: See this post

In what way did I, or anyone else for that matter, imply that the options were between faust and Jimmmmm?

[EFHW]

No, I quoted the post I intended to. What was the reason for your vote, if I am wrong that it was my leaving the Jimmmmm wagon? I might have made an erroneous assumption.

[faust]

MiX has decided he want to look at

LL/iguana/Swowl/gkrieg/e

because they weren't talked about much, then proceeded to vote for the most talked about within that group, and now is back to voting for the player who got the most votes this game and is not part of that group mentioned above - and that's after she did what he wanted and went from voting his supposed townread Jimmmmm to voting gkrieg.

[faust]

I guess that means he took my criticism to heart and decided he needs to do something to surprise me.

[MiX]

No, I quoted the post I intended to. What was the reason for your vote, if I am wrong that it was my leaving the Jimmmmm wagon? I might have made an erroneous assumption.

In fact, Vote: faust. Scum or anti-Town, you don't get a free pass just because you want one.

@Jimmmmm, at what point did you start feeling angry at faust?

@faust, same question re: Jimmmmm.

I am willing to policy exile EFHW for this post.

It was for this post.

MiX has decided he want to look at

LL/iguana/Swowl/gkrieg/e

because they weren't talked about much, then proceeded to vote for the most talked about within that group, and now is back to voting for the player who got the most votes this game and is not part of that group mentioned above - and that's after she did what he wanted and went from voting his supposed townread Jimmmmm to voting gkrieg.

iguana was someone I gave a D1 pass to because I assumed they would clear themselves if town. Because they were busy, they have not done that, so I voted them. Then I realized that there's little reason to push them because they're busy (which is not something I had actually remembered when I voted them) and so I went back to my initial townread on them. I then reread gkrieg and found them to be townie. LL and e are not people I want to push today, and Swowl is not here at all. And I was thinking of voting EFHW from earlier today anyway.

I guess that means he took my criticism to heart and decided he needs to do something to surprise me.

Were you actually surprised by this?

[faust]

Swowl is not here at all.

I thought if last game taught you anything, it would be to not give people who aren't around a free pass.

I guess that means he took my criticism to heart and decided he needs to do something to surprise me.

Were you actually surprised by this?

Why do you want to know?

[MiX]

Swowl is not here at all.

I thought if last game taught you anything, it would be to not give people who aren't around a free pass.

I guess that means he took my criticism to heart and decided he needs to do something to surprise me.

Were you actually surprised by this?

Why do you want to know?

Last game taught me that if you let lurkers lurk D1, you catch them D2.

Because, faust. Because. I don't think I can change my read on you anyway, but others might.

[EFHW]

Idk if this needs to be said to a bunch of vets, but policy exiles are scummy because they give scum cover to get someone exiled without committing to that person being scum. We get one exile per game day. It’s not pro town to use it for anything other than pursuing our collective wincon.

vote: MiX. I did apologize.

[MiX]

Idk if this needs to be said to a bunch of vets, but policy exiles are scummy because they give scum cover to get someone exiled without committing to that person being scum. We get one exile per game day. It’s not pro town to use it for anything other than pursuing our collective wincon.

vote: MiX. I did apologize.

Sorry: to clarify, I'm scumreading that post. I'm not trying to policy exile you anymore.

Honestly, if we want to exile someone for thread health, Jimmmmm's the way to go.