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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #300 on: September 15, 2021, 08:59:41 am »

faust is arguing in a way that seems surprisingly genuine and charitable, especially for him. Like heís really trying in good faith to get past an argument he finds unproductive.

Jimmmmm is trying to have the meta-argument while also gently implying faust is scum wherever possible. The vote was just a little over the top. Thinly veiled OMGUS.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #301 on: September 15, 2021, 09:09:17 am »

You guys are all wrong. That exchange was extremely enlightening. Faust is town and Jimmmmm is scum.

Vote: Jimmmmm

Lol.

Vote: joth

Vote: e cause you're partners.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #302 on: September 15, 2021, 09:13:46 am »

Oh also if I was scum I would be more accepting of MiX and his townread on me.

the fact that you know your meta makes all those things NAI
Oh look you conveniently ignored my other post which contains stuff that is not meta-based!

I also think "you know meta so none of this is worth anything" takes are a bit simplistic. My town meta is to get killed early or get exiled later on; doesn't mean it makes sense for scum!me to replicate that. Scum can focus all their energy on following their town meta and probably do a pretty good job at it; but that is not how scum wins. They need to do something different because they need to push for town exiles, protect their partners etc. Otherwise they just fly under the radar, letting town do their thing, until they are PoE'd and lose.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #303 on: September 15, 2021, 09:21:46 am »

trying not to extend the discussion in a meaningless way... good luck, self!
I'm afraid you failed, unfortunately.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #304 on: September 15, 2021, 09:31:40 am »

faust is arguing in a way that seems surprisingly genuine and charitable, especially for him.
...thanks?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #305 on: September 15, 2021, 09:40:14 am »

faust is arguing in a way that seems surprisingly genuine and charitable, especially for him.
...thanks?
No, thank you.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #306 on: September 15, 2021, 09:40:30 am »

You guys are all wrong. That exchange was extremely enlightening. Faust is town and Jimmmmm is scum.

Vote: Jimmmmm

Lol.

Vote: joth

Vote: e cause you're partners.

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #307 on: September 15, 2021, 09:43:21 am »

faust is arguing in a way that seems surprisingly genuine and charitable, especially for him. Like heís really trying in good faith to get past an argument he finds unproductive.

Jimmmmm is trying to have the meta-argument while also gently implying faust is scum wherever possible. The vote was just a little over the top. Thinly veiled OMGUS.

OMGUS strikes me as a lazy argument. I have no reason to care that faust is voting for me; his vote doesn't mean anything until the Day ends or he decides to start playing the game. I would have preferred to avoid the meta argument entirely, but sadly there's nothing else to talk about when it comes to faust's game.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #308 on: September 15, 2021, 10:45:30 am »

OMGUS is (almost) never a tactical decision. It's a way of expressing frustration. Granted, town can also get frustrated with town (or scum) but that usually happens when someone is being annoying or intransigent and I just don't see faust doing that. He's making good, cogent points in response to your criticism of caseless voting. So your frustration, expressed through an OMGUS vote, reads to me as scummy frustration at not being able to make progress dissolving a day one wagon on you.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #309 on: September 15, 2021, 10:50:42 am »

If my main concern was dissolving a wagon on me, coming out against faust would not be the way to do that.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #310 on: September 15, 2021, 11:02:00 am »

Okay faust, what are the reasons we should believe you're Town?
Well, I have done townie things. I think I am more contrarian when I am town, and thus often attract more votes as town than I do as scum, and I think you can see that in my play.

The three players I have voted for (joth, iguana, Jimmmmm) have all since ended up on the EFHW wagon, so unless you think that is completely town-driven, I have already voted for scum. If you do think that the EFHW wagon is completely town-driven, then it is probably beneficial to join that wagon rather than start a new one on me.

Ugh. You arenít supposed to know this about yourself.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #311 on: September 15, 2021, 11:28:44 am »


Okay faust, what are the reasons we should believe you're Town?
Well, I have done townie things. I think I am more contrarian when I am town, and thus often attract more votes as town than I do as scum, and I think you can see that in my play.

The three players I have voted for (joth, iguana, Jimmmmm) have all since ended up on the EFHW wagon, so unless you think that is completely town-driven, I have already voted for scum. If you do think that the EFHW wagon is completely town-driven, then it is probably beneficial to join that wagon rather than start a new one on me.

I do want to call out a fallacy here, possibly a scummy one, which is that town-driven wagon =/= wagon on scum. If Jimmmmm thinks that the EFHW wagon is a misguided, but town-driven, wagon, then it's not the case that it's beneficial to join it and also not the case that faust has voted for scum. faust has tried to create a dichotomy here but has intentionally excluded an option to make that dichotomy seem to exonerate him. So, some scumpoints for faust.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #312 on: September 15, 2021, 11:30:32 am »

Prod: e

Hi.

Need to reread some, will do that tonight. Sorry, got behind a bit here
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #313 on: September 15, 2021, 12:05:33 pm »


Okay faust, what are the reasons we should believe you're Town?
Well, I have done townie things. I think I am more contrarian when I am town, and thus often attract more votes as town than I do as scum, and I think you can see that in my play.

The three players I have voted for (joth, iguana, Jimmmmm) have all since ended up on the EFHW wagon, so unless you think that is completely town-driven, I have already voted for scum. If you do think that the EFHW wagon is completely town-driven, then it is probably beneficial to join that wagon rather than start a new one on me.

I do want to call out a fallacy here, possibly a scummy one, which is that town-driven wagon =/= wagon on scum. If Jimmmmm thinks that the EFHW wagon is a misguided, but town-driven, wagon, then it's not the case that it's beneficial to join it and also not the case that faust has voted for scum. faust has tried to create a dichotomy here but has intentionally excluded an option to make that dichotomy seem to exonerate him. So, some scumpoints for faust.
I guess? Though if anyone feels this way about the EFHW wagon then I think that person should tell us that and explain why they feel that way. If you feel so strongly about a wagon that you are willing to go against a bunch of your townreads then you have some insight that is worth sharing. That hasn't happened, so I think it's safe to assume that noone believes it.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #314 on: September 15, 2021, 12:14:55 pm »

Wow, my question to Faust was answered in detail it turns out.
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Point iguana. Not that points really matter with a result, but still.
Igu is town or trying the hardest he ever has as scum.

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #315 on: September 15, 2021, 12:35:57 pm »

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I would have preferred to avoid the meta argument entirely, but sadly there's nothing else to talk about when it comes to faust's game.

I don't think you can say this any more in good faith. faust has divulged quite a bit. He shared his opinion on the EFHW wagon, gave more of a read on MiX, etc. He's playing less one dimensionally than you are giving him credit for in your argument.
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Point iguana. Not that points really matter with a result, but still.
Igu is town or trying the hardest he ever has as scum.

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« Reply #316 on: September 15, 2021, 12:40:44 pm »

Oh also if I was scum I would be more accepting of MiX and his townread on me.

the fact that you know your meta makes all those things NAI

Given you're voting faust, isn't this argument basically "The fact that you look like your town self means you're scum?" I get that someone can look town and be scum but if faust looks like town faust shouldn't we wait until scum!faust appears? I realize this is rich coming from someone who failed to do that recently but still.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #317 on: September 15, 2021, 12:47:01 pm »

Prod: Swowl

I think he's realized that the thing he wants to do while sunbathing at the beach is not forum mafia.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #318 on: September 15, 2021, 01:35:39 pm »

mathdude, those were a couple of really good and insightful posts.
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« Reply #319 on: September 15, 2021, 02:01:17 pm »

Prod: Swowl

I think he's realized that the thing he wants to do while sunbathing at the beach is not forum mafia.

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #320 on: September 15, 2021, 02:21:37 pm »

Here and Iguana is right.
Sorry all - DisSwan keeps getting mad at me while Iím on my phone.

I will make some time and also I am back home like 24 hours from now.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #321 on: September 15, 2021, 02:36:49 pm »

mathdude, those were a couple of really good and insightful posts.
Which ones, the meta posts? They did nothing for this game, so I would not call them good.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #322 on: September 15, 2021, 03:18:12 pm »

You guys are all wrong. That exchange was extremely enlightening. Faust is town and Jimmmmm is scum.

Vote: Jimmmmm

Lol.

Vote: joth

Vote: e cause you're partners.

MiX throwing out way too early partner teams. This is how you get yourself exiled, MiX. Don't worry, I still trust you are town
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #323 on: September 15, 2021, 03:19:52 pm »

If my main concern was dissolving a wagon on me, coming out against faust would not be the way to do that.

Not a valid defense, but I don't like exiling jimmmm just out of personal bias. I should probably reread jimmmmm
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« Reply #324 on: September 15, 2021, 03:23:00 pm »

Wait, people are voting Jimmmmm?

You all are super scummy. Jimmmm is the most townie of all townies
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