There has been shocking little observation about the flavor of that last flip given how much dialogue there had been in prior days about race and alignment and the implications "cylon extremist" had.
I've never watched the show, but I've read a bit on the wiki. If you look for a "resistance" on any BSG wiki, all I can find is info about a human resistance group. Not every member was human, but most were and finding out one of the members was a cylon was a surprise to them all.
Throughout the aftermath of the gkrieg/mathdude claim, a few people were pretty adamant that we should be exiling cylons, because not only might they be an extremist, but they were probably also the scum team. For a bit I was one of those people, but I already explained why I thought that was the case early in the game. Finding out how the cylon vote actually worked completely wiped out that line of reasoning for me. But a few people kept it up even after we knew the extremist faction existed and that the cylons vote was that faction. It seems very likely that scum was pushing that line of thinking in order to get another misexile or two through before we learned for sure that a normal red scum faction existed AND that said faction is flavor named after a group of humans. For example, see scola in post #926.
Who else did this? Didds.
Kind of softly suggests it here, although it is framed towards the extremist faction pre-math flip.
Hey Dylan - spell it out for the slow folks here - why are you alive if ADK is dead?
I'm not trying to answer for Dylan, but the way I read his explanation it is that it was a wincon requirement that they both be alive, rather than something that tied them together in death.
More thoughts about cylons....
If there is a cylon-extremist faction, it is probably made up of cylons. The "cylons" vote is definitely anti-town to me, and just by virtue of the hidden vote mechanism it suggests there is daychat among them. I am also assuming that the "cylons" vote comes from, you know, cylons. Dylan thinks that he might be a cylon, but he is not part of the cylon vote, but he doesn't actually know if he is a cylon or not.
gkrieg says math is a cylon. We don't know if he is voting with the "cylons" yet, but still, all in all, I think cylons are not good for us.
Holiday weekend, y’all, so I’m expecting low ability to participate.
Having read everything, I am still of the opinion that cylons are not good for us. I also think that if gkrieg’s cop power returns that kind of result, it must be significant in some regard. It seems pointless to have it as a power if the implication of a result is meaningless.
Vote: math
I’m not sold on the idea that math is scum, but I’m still mulling the idea that there might be lots of competing factions, so perhaps scum isn’t the point. I don’t have any good reason to think he’s town.
I still think we should exile a cylon. Math seems somewhat less scummy than Jack. But I think there is no way they are both town. The results, and the responses to them, are confusing to me.
EFHW noticed that pattern in the next post:
scola and Didds are looking scummy to me for their continued support of Cylon=scum. Last game there was a Cylon-aligned scum faction and there were still human-aligned Cylons. I don't like the way gkrieg and math have played their hands, but they are feeling more town. Maybe because they have been more active.
scola perseverating on the results thing seems unnecessary - it's pretty clear the role description just said "investigate" without saying why you would want to know the answer.
vote: scolapasta
I was all set to vote Glooble, but now I'm not sure what to think of his response. Glooble, is your role negative utility for town?
Here, Didds uses mathdude's "result" of cylon on Jack as to keep pushing for the exile there, which is grounded on the assumption that cylon inherently is scum, since a different kind of baddie would most likely be scum unless we are just in multiball.
I can see Math having a result on a Jack (presumably a different kind of baddie) and sharing it knowing that if we brighter Jack, and he flipped baddie, that he’d get an ish-ton of towncred as a result. I don’t think that’s a stretch at all.
Didds was also the first person to suggest letting scola live since they were going to die anyway (as far as I can find without rereading literally everything).
Whew! Thank you, faust. I’m glad you’re okay.
I was voting for gkrieg because I was annoyed at him for shutting down the LL discussion. There isn’t a real wagon there…just two rather rando votes. I think my vote was actually much better placed on
Vote: Jack
I do not have a case on Jack other than math’s result, which was obviously suspect, but he did have investigative powers so not entirely based on nothing. Moreover, while I can’t point to anything Jack has done that is scummy, I also can’t point to anything that is helpful. I recognize that helpful/not helpful is not a terrible impressive decision calculus, but that is where I’m at. I know it can be hard to get into a game when you don’t know quite how to go about it, but I find his lurking to be exactly in line with his first game scumplay.
I am curious about Scola. It is clear that he will die if he doesn’t get some cure, so we either wake up tomorrow with a flip, or he is still here and we know that there is either another curing doc or he doses himself. I’m willing to wait that out because more information will be revealed than would be if he was exiled.
His predicament leads me to think a no exile day wouldn’t be the worst. I’m not sure enough yet to advocate for it, but if he town and he’s going to perish, I’d rather not get it wrong and misexile someone so that we find ourselves tomorrow with a much smaller set of green team.
I just don’t have a strong enough sense or anyone else to risk losing them. Swowl and EFHW are slightly shady to me but only in the sense that I don’t feel us towncoring as strongly as we have in the past. Gkrieg and Glooble are hot and cold in terms of activity, but are generally helpful when they are here. I decided when I became the admiral to trust MiX. Our choices of XOs have generally tracked together and I think are pro-town choices with the exception of Kobol which I now see as not at all helpful, but that wasn’t MiX’s fault.,
Pushes that idea harder here
Claiming would be so much better if LL was here. I'm still saving it for when he arrives.
I might do it today but eeeeeeeeeeeeh it's not like exiling scola today matters, right?
I think that is right. I really do think we get more information about scola if he isn't exiled and we see if he actually has cures he can use or if LL comes back if he is actually willing to help or if we have another doc. If he survives, he can tell us more or we can exile him. I honestly don't see much downside to giving him another night. BUT...I know I miss things, so if there is a flaw in my thinking, please let me know.
and here
I am cool with a Jack exile or no exile.
I don’t see the upside to exiling Scola. If he doesn’t cure himself, he dies. It’s like an exile we get for free! I do not have strong scummy or no vibes, but I’m not willing to trust MiX on exiling him now without more information.
I’m heading out for the afternoon/evening (happy weekend everyone!) so I’ll be around just before I go to bed tonight, but likely not at deadline.
She then followed gkrieg in supporting the theory that EFHW was just trying to bus scola with the X-1 vote, which I guess isn't an inherently scummy opinion, but it is incorrectly grabbing at something to try to make someone else who would otherwise get town points look scummy.
Hmmm... I am not as sure as Swowl and Glooble that this is a bad case on face. (I'm not advocating, just thinking it through)
Scum narrative.... In the morning, the only people around were EFHW, Scola, and MiX. Jack was already voting for Scola. If EFHW is Scola's partner, it would make sense that she was up and wanted to see if he made it out alive. She can increase her credibility and create some distance between them by bussing Scola. It's an hour until deadline and no one is around because it is before dawn for WCD, Swowl, and gkrieg. The cylons vote hasn't moved...there is no else that can vote for scola who is awake. She can make that vote and be mostly sure that he would not be hammered.
I'm not sure that takes huge leaps of imagination. Really, the only question is does EFHW bus her partner in a situation where she can be fairly certain that they will not be exiled.
Glooble... what would have have been the riskiness of that move?
I hadn't really intended for this post to turn into a case on Didds, but I guess it is.
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