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I don't get it - do you two think Jack is lying? I fail to see the difference between today and tomorrow outside of that.
I also really do not care that much at this point as long as the info gets revealed.

But If it is not the Jack thing, then what is it? Or is it just the Jack thing?

I mean, yeah. I think Jack is more likely scum than most other people at this point. I don't think that necessarily means he is lying about being able to surveil the executive order deck.

Remind me what your case on lalight is please. I could go back and look but that is a lot of effort

Ok... then what is the reasoning behind waiting on knowing the discarded cards?

And I will save you the time - I have not explained that vote. So, nothing to find. I find the way they entered the game kind of phishy and I don't like any of the other cases that are surrounded by interaction rn.

I mean... kind of facts.
I still feel like my justification for LL is better than the reasons made for ADK.

Still waiting for an answer from Jack.

Care to share that justification? I don't believe you have actually shared that justification for your vote yet

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Sorry, haha. You explained it in the first quote

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To summarize your justification (correct me if I am wrong):

- Lalight entered the game "kind of phishy"
- you don't like cases on anyone else

Can you expand on "kind of phishy"?

[MiX]

All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here.  I have very little to go on to read them.

If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl.  And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me.  This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.

Vote: Swowl

[gkrieg13]

Need to go back and read stuff.

[gkrieg13]

All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here.  I have very little to go on to read them.

If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl.  And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me.  This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.

Ash seems very off here, but I’m not sure if it is in a scummy way.

[WestCoastDidds]

Still on family vacation, so apologies if I’m missing detail.

I voted for LL because I didn’t like the no exile certainty. I expected to move my vote when we heard more from him. All we have heard since then is him leaning into no exile. Then poof. I know he’s not on much on weekends, but that doesn’t explain the two days prior to today. I literally have nothing go up clear him on except that it might be dumb to be so upfront about no exile.

The quorum stuff with Jack isn’t a good look. First I thought it was scummy, then not do much, now maybe I’m back to scummy. Jack is still a cipher yo me and I haven’t seen town Jack, so I have no basis for comparisons.

Still think e is a little scummy, not gonna vote for him though. (E, we saw the USWNT play Nigeria and I wore my World Cup shirt from Lyon!)

I don’t like the Votes for MiX. He seems on brand to me.

MiX, why Swowl? EFHW, what are you thinking?

Also, it would be nice to hear from Scola and ADK.

[MiX]

I'm voting Swowl because I want to sheep ash. His FoS on Swowl was very interesting, and I wanted to see where that would go.

But I do think the person most likely to be scum is

Vote: LL

[MiX]

I have a bunch of thoughts floating, so let's see if I can ground them.

LL feels like they're playing too much into what they think town will townread them for. I don't think LL has tried to play for town yet.

E feels very scummy, he's trying hard to be townred, but I don't see him trying to catch scum at all. Feels like he's vibing but without playing.

Swowl is doing a bunch of town!Swowl stuff, but...idk, I feel like there's more there. I trust ash's suspicion on him more than my read, regardless of his alignment.

ADK was being ADK, which I think actually comes from scum!ADK more than town!ADK. But I can't really scumread that, ADK is someone that takes time to read.

gkrieg...is town, I think? I forgot why, and I'm writing this so I don't forget that I don't think he should be as townread by me as he is right now.

There are my current thoughts about my scum reads, or feels-like-they-should-be-scum reads.

Need to go back and read stuff.

Did you find anything else to talk about?

[LaLight]

well, i didn't really played into looking town, I don't do that. I am very surprised that for the first time in infinity we have a different wincon and we don't do anything about that.

[LaLight]

if you want to lynch and for some reason or other don't want to lynch MiX, let's do vote: Swowl

[LaLight]

*exile, I am sorry.

[mathdude]

well, i didn't really played into looking town, I don't do that. I am very surprised that for the first time in infinity we have a different wincon and we don't do anything about that.

There is a valid argument here. But it's not our only wincon. If we have a night with no kill, then it absolutely makes sense to go for it I think. But until we know that, let's at least try to figure out who scum is, and not presumably give them a free kill at night where we potentially learn nothing about people's reads on others.

[scolapasta]

Got prodded. Sorry, still fairly busy, but I should be around for deadline. Still haven't had much of a chance to read back, but also it's D1 and I never have good D1 reads (who does?)

If anything I'm still dubious of the scum!jack reads. And I'm trying to figure out this new(ish) MiX.

[EFHW]

I'm gonna vote: gkrieg. "I have to reread" is a scumtell for me, especially in the context of very few posts. And the shade on ash was both very hedgy and not helpful.

I don't really think Jack is scum. The claim was weird, but he really hangs back as scum. Has he even been town yet? It seems like he is always mafia.

I think LL is town, too. I would vote ADK. I have towny impressions of Dylan and MiX.

[LaLight]

Got prodded. Sorry, still fairly busy, but I should be around for deadline. Still haven't had much of a chance to read back, but also it's D1 and I never have good D1 reads (who does?)

If anything I'm still dubious of the scum!jack reads. And I'm trying to figure out this new(ish) MiX.

how is he newish?

[faust]

Vote Count 1.6

Jack Rudd (2): Glooble, 2.71828.....
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (1): Jack Rudd
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13
LaLight (4): WestCoastDidds, Swowl, mathdude, MiX
Swowl (1): LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): EFHW

Not Voting (3): scolapasta, Dylan32, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm. This is in 32 hours.

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Vote Count 1.6

Jack Rudd (2): Glooble, 2.71828.....
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (1): Jack Rudd
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13
LaLight (4): WestCoastDidds, Swowl, mathdude, MiX
Swowl (1): LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): EFHW

Not Voting (3): scolapasta, Dylan32, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm. This is in 32 hours.

Don't like the lalight wagon, jack isn't realistically going to happen.

I take don't know where to go at this point without more people showing up to play

[MiX]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

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Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

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*conversation

[MiX]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.

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Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.

So, uh, ADK. Seems a bit late for RVS but I'm not seeing much of a case either. Anyone want to try and convince me to move my vote there?

I mean, it is D1 so any "case" is going to be pretty flimsy.  This is what got me voting ADK:

Two OMGUS's in a row? Maybe I'm onto something

ADK starts with a RVS on Jack.  Sure.
ADK then moves over to MiX for some reason, with a way-too-early scum team call of MiX-math.
Then just jokes about the two votes against them.

Just very chill, very nonchalant, easygoing....scum? I like having some pressure there.  Not a compelling case to be sure, but what is your "case" on Jack? Looks like it was just wagon hopping.  Why the hesitancy now to hop on a new one? Too far into D1? Are they your scum partner!??!?!?!?!?!?!

Oh look! A case!

[MiX]

I like that case. I have to say, the way you end that post makes people not want to answer it, I think.

I'm scumreading you so I won't hop on, but I do agree with your reasoning.

Hmm. I guess you're right, it's hard to get things going when people are here sporadically.

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Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.

I hate scum reading people for inactivity. I did it in my very first game and it was a bad decision.  Outside of inactivity scum reads, I already listed mathdude and swowl as people I am on the fence about. Why don't you convince me they are scum?