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[MiX]

LL, can you say more things about your role?

[mathdude]

So a few reads: math is very aggressive, which he has done as town, BUT I also think provides perfect cover for scum!math. i.e. at this point neither flip would surprise me.

I don't get the LL wagon - I don't think suggesting no exile due to the different win condition is at all scummy.

I like my e vote; and but would also consider ADK if ADK and LL end up being the two wagons.

It wasn't the suggestion of no exile (for me at least), but everything since then.

However, now 2 hours from exile, now that LL has shared useful info, I'm finally getting town vibes again.

unvote

[LaLight]

LL, can you say more things about your role?

no, this is it

[MiX]

LL, can you say more things about your role?

no, this is it

Wasn't this a partial claim?

[gkrieg13]

Well...here we go again. Wait...what?

Vote: Cylons

Speaking of: Dylan, scola, Jack. What are your flavor names?

I have a lot of vendettas associated with this legacy...but I'll set them aside so I can roleplay as the president more.

So, I'm sure a lot of people hated how I played it. So I've decided to talk this out now before people hate me. How public should I be with my information?

Oh, and I'm town again. I wonder if people will read my posts this game, they probably did when I was scum.

Good to be back!

Welcome back e!

Going back and rereading, I think MiX asking for advice on how public he should with information gives him a couple scum points.

[gkrieg13]

Vote: Jack

Suspicious of the fast claim with almost no real pressure. A few votes, yes. But it is early D1. Feels unnecessary and scummy

I agree that the claim felt unnecessary. It alerts scum potentially that Jack can see the executive orders. I guess I lean slightly scum here.

[gkrieg13]

Also, I'm still salty.

Is there a list of who did and did not keep their characters from Season 1?

I haven't seen one.  I think people would have to claim if they changed characters

Emphasis is mine:

Character arcs.
Each charcter has a unique character arc, which is a goal they want to achieve for additional points. To prevent players playing against their win condition in any given game, these will usually only be obtainable when the player won a game. Character arc success is usually checked at the end of the game. If successful, the character may become unplayable or get a new arc. Completing a character arc counts as a turning point.

Character persistence.
Every player may keep the character that they played from one game to the next, unless they have been eliminated from the game. Role and alignment will change from one game to the next, the character arc remains intact. Alternatively, they may choose another character, which will be chosen from the pool of available characters. A player may receive a character that has previously been played by someone else this way.

We know Robz' character was eliminated from the game, so we can know that either gkrieg or glooble have a brand new character.

The three of us new adds were (I assume, I didn't ask) randomly assigned to Robz, Awaclus, and Space - I was slotted to fill Awaclus' spot (big shoes to fill, I thought Awaclus played incredibly well S1). At least, I am Billy Keikeya.

Note that I was assigned Space's character.

[gkrieg13]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

I don't think LaLight starts his posting with this as scum with a radiation doctor fake claim, which means I think he is either town, or a radiation doctor for scum.

unvote

[gkrieg13]

Still don't think the role warrants a no exile. I really think that scum is very likely to have a normal night kill.

[gkrieg13]

--snip--

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

I have reason to believe this is not the case.

Like several have already said, hard pass on an early no exile, but unlike Didds I don't think scum!LL would drop that second line right at their entrance to the game.

Dylan seems like he is scum hunting here, so he gets town points.

[gkrieg13]

Gkrieg feels off so far this game.  Too quiet.  /randomgutread

There has been a lot of posts, but I would argue not as much content as people seem to think.  The MiX/Math thing feels completely contrived in the worst way possible, so that's a strong early combo.

2.7 is town, I think.

Ash usually buddies me as scum, so I'll give him a few town points.

[gkrieg13]

Overall, I think the executive order was townie, so town points to ash and MiX.

[WestCoastDidds]

I think this is right…

MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (3): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW,
2.71828..... (1): scolapasta
LaLight (4): WestCoastDidds, Swowl, MiX, Glooble,
No exile: LaLight

Not Voting (2):  Dylan32, mathdude, gkrieg13 ,Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends Today at 03:00:00 pm.

We have 75 minutes

[gkrieg13]

Also I think we should stop claiming pre night actions at the very minimum whether you swapped out or not. I fail to see how claiming that today is helpful.

I think claiming this is useful, because it really doesn't give scum much information but gives town a lot of accountability.

[WestCoastDidds]

I think it is better for us to exile than to not. But I’m inclined to believe LL and my bar for letting him off the hook was pretty low, I was just frustrated that he wasn’t giving us anything to work with.

So, in the spirit of consolidation…and the fact that we have just over an hour left to deadline
Vote: ADK

I would also vote for gkrieg, Jack, or mathdude. Maybe scola.
I will not vote for Mix or EFHW.

[WestCoastDidds]

I’ll be around, but I’m multitasking

[2.71828.....]

I feel as though ADK is the best exile right now.  Of course, I have done a decent bit of pushing that wagon forward.

I could do pasta, at this point I think math and jack are on the differential for tomorrow, not today.

[gkrieg13]

I'm gonna vote: gkrieg. "I have to reread" is a scumtell for me, especially in the context of very few posts. And the shade on ash was both very hedgy and not helpful.

I don't really think Jack is scum. The claim was weird, but he really hangs back as scum. Has he even been town yet? It seems like he is always mafia.

I think LL is town, too. I would vote ADK. I have towny impressions of Dylan and MiX.

Why not vote for Scola who did the exact same thing as me?

[2.71828.....]

I’ll be around, but I’m multitasking

I know, Croatia just scored 2 crazy goals to go into extra time vs. Spain.  I will be around through the deadline.

[gkrieg13]

Also I will be around at deadline and will hammer pretty much whomever.

[2.71828.....]

I'm gonna vote: gkrieg. "I have to reread" is a scumtell for me, especially in the context of very few posts. And the shade on ash was both very hedgy and not helpful.

I don't really think Jack is scum. The claim was weird, but he really hangs back as scum. Has he even been town yet? It seems like he is always mafia.

I think LL is town, too. I would vote ADK. I have towny impressions of Dylan and MiX.

also, yeah.  "I have to reread" is totally not a scum tell, it would have been so easy for gkrieg to ride the day out, then show up tomorrow.  Scum doesn't show up and read back like gkrieg is doing here I think.

[gkrieg13]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.

I hate scum reading people for inactivity. I did it in my very first game and it was a bad decision.  Outside of inactivity scum reads, I already listed mathdude and swowl as people I am on the fence about. Why don't you convince me they are scum?

Why don't you figure out yourself who is scum? You seem ready to jump on any wagon, as long as it's not you... and by letting someone else make the case, so it doesn't look as suspicious if they flip town.

At least try to engage your scum-reads and make a more informed decision based on their response or lack thereof. Don't ask others to do the work and then just join the most convenient wagon.

Shade city

First of all, if you read my posts I have consistently attempted to engage my top scum read, jack.
Also, ADK is anything but the most convenient wagon. Right now, that distinction belongs to LaLight.
Third, I have made a case against ADK. In fact, I quoted it just recently.
Fourth, I could go build a pretend case on anyone and everyone, but that doesn't do anyone any favors and doesn't help the game.
Fifth, I am just counting at this point
Sixth, vote: mathdude

I agree with everything here. Scum points to mathdude. Annoyance points to e (as in he is annoyed).

[Dylan32]

Yeah, don't want to exile LL right now. Going to read ADK now.

[gkrieg13]

Golly, I wish LL had more to say. I was sure I was going to move my vote…

I still might, I guess. Mathdude isn’t looking townie in his exchange with e. I am so here for engaged e, although I also don’t know quite how to process. Still, his case on ADK is better than any other case we’ve seen.

If we’re thinking of the lurkers as scummy Scola and Dylan make the list, but EFHW has a substantive reason for gkrieg.

My towny folks are MiX, EFHW, and e(maybe)
Don’t knows are the lurkers/absents (Dylan, Scola,), Swowl, Glooble
Don’t know/lean scummy LL, gkrieg, math, ADK, Ashes

I'm not sure why you read EFHW townie. It seems like she hasn't really done much this game.

But you also don't have reads on Swowl and Glooble (who have done more, but you put them in the lurkers category)?

[faust]

Vote Count 1.9

MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (4): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW, WestCoastDidds
2.71828..... (1): scolapasta
LaLight (3): Swowl, MiX, Glooble

No Exile (1): LaLight

Not Voting (4):  Dylan32, Cylons, mathdude, gkrieg13

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm. This is in less than 1 hour.