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[faust]

Bright is probably third party, it's not the worst exile but we can do better.

[faust]

I don't support the deadline extension; if >70% of town have enough time to show up to vote in favor of the extension, they have enough time to show up to vote in favor of the Bright exile.

But town should generally agree; if it then does or does not happen, that gives us valuable information.

[faust]

I guess it's debatable how valuable the information is, but it is a nonzero amount of it, compared to what we'd get when town votes against.

[mathdude]

Now we still have votes for Bright, Galz, pubby, Awaclus, me, and pasta.  We definitely need to consolidate.  Of the votes, it seems most likely that fang is stuck on Galz, Bright is stuck on pubby, and faust is stuck on me.  The others have not had as much stick-to-it-ive-ness, from what I've seen.  Does one of those 3 people have more information than you're sharing that can help the rest of us decide who to vote for?

If we are going to have a shot at voting out scum today, we definitely need to narrow down the options.  Are the 3 I've picked who we should be narrowing it down to?  Is there someone else we should keep in the list?  Anyone we should take out of the list (besides me)?

Reading that again, it sounds odd.  That last sentence is me saying "I think I should be taken out of the list", but it doesn't read that way.  I'm wondering if we add Awaclus' vote of Bright on there... he seemed to really like that vote and want others to follow, but also expressed a willingness to switch to voting for me.  So I left it off for now.

If I'm working on setting up the next misexile, then so are you - you're trying to set up a misexile of me.  What I'm doing is pointing out connections and observations, so people can see what I'm thinking and hopefully generate discussion.

This is the most OMGUS post I've seen.

When i say that someone is setting up misexiles, this is referring to them planning out who to exile on future Days.

It's semantics.  If I'm "planning on who to exile", is that not the same as saying "let's exile this person today and this person tomorrow".  It's saying I see a connection (positive or negative), and that will help us with where to look next, pending future flips, investigative results and even reads.

I'm not tracking my thoughts elsewhere (on paper or in an online document).  So I'm putting all this in-thread, so others can see my thinking, but also for my future reference, so I can look back at my own posts for a reminder of who I have found scummy, or at least who I find partly connected or opposing each other.

[scolapasta]

Update: I now have dinner plans, so while here until around 4:30, won't be around for the end of the deadline.

I voted for the extension.

[Galzria]

Vote: Didds

I’m not convinced Didds is the better Exile here - and maybe I’m bias by volume - but Didds has more things that jump out as feeling off than Jimmmmm.

Hi Galzria, what things had Didds said that felt off?

Largely it was the back and forth with Faust - or rather, the conversation about PINL in her role QT. The initial conversation came off as her not wanting to commit to an answer she was unsure was the correct one. The reaction later, then, to faust saying his role QT did not come with PINL seemed kind of fake. I pointed to this exact exchange as standing out to me D1 just prior to voting for her near the end of the day.

I also thought that she was fishing back and forth with Awaclus & faust later on regarding how much information to claim about her Dwarf QT at the time - like she was looking either for an answer that suited her, or that she was driving at creating enough differing opinions that it wouldn't be scummy to answer nothing.

I missed that post, thanks.

I note that anytime anyone says something negative against Didds, you jump in, spam a bunch of "no u" and leave. Yesterday I thought didds, you and awaclus were scum. Today, I'm if questioning if you, didds, and swowl are the bad ones. The three of you voted jimmm, after all, with swowl starting it.

I strongly disagree. I think the only time I’ve ever really defended her was when her wagon shot up to X-1 early, and I called a bad wagon out for what it was. There was no case, there were bad arguments, and I thought it highly unlikely that wagon was on scum.

I didn’t think the existence of the wagon was bad. It helped me form reads on other people - reads I posted and stood by. And even then, I was essentially the deciding vote on exiling Didds (with Jimmmmm) not on her until Swowl came in to corroborate her claim.

Whereas you... pushed either no logic cases (see post 156), or very flawed cases (see your entire, incorrect justification for the rest of the game Day), and then apparently, according to Bright, upon learning your case was flawed and bad... you continued to want to support the lie you had yesterday privately instead of coming out with it publicly.

So yeah. That’s where I’m at with you.

What relevance did Swowl corroborating Didds claim have for you? (I bolded the part of your post that I'm referring to, but including the whole thing for context.)

I was town reading Swowl at that point, even though I was voting against his preference (he was on Jimmmmm, I had gone Didds). When he claimed to be one of the people in the Dwarf QT with Didds, it was enough for me to give pause. I followed his claim up by asking him specifically how he felt regarding Didds & Jimmmmm:

Swowl sets off fireworks that confirm that Didds has a QT with Day Chat with some amount of the 7 Dwarves within it.

Unvote

Swowl - do you think that:

A) Didds is more likely to be town
B) Jimmmmm is more likely to be scum
C) Both A & B

?

Basically - are you voting Jimmmmm because you think he’s scum, or because you DON’T want Didds Exiled, or both?

It wasn't until after he answered that I decided to go Jimmmmm instead of Didds in the end:

Swowl sets off fireworks that confirm that Didds has a QT with Day Chat with some amount of the 7 Dwarves within it.

Unvote

Swowl - do you think that:

A) Didds is more likely to be town
B) Jimmmmm is more likely to be scum
C) Both A & B

?

Basically - are you voting Jimmmmm because you think he’s scum, or because you DON’T want Didds Exiled, or both?

Swowl writes a note to galz on a piece of parchment stating they think that the answer to their question is an in between.
Swowl does feel like Didds is Town, but also feels the need to put forth that they do not have a crazy SR on Jimmm, it is just a better option than didds to them by a mile at this point.

Vote: Jimmmmm

X-1

I’m town reading math & swowl. They’re both on Jimmmmm.
I’m scum reading fang and bright. They’re both on Didds.

If it’s truly a tossup, I’ll side with my town reads.

[Galzria]

I have to trust that Bright is town here. His power wouldn't make sense if he was a Bad Dwarf, as he would just invite his scum-mates into the QT so that they could have day chat.

[faust]

I have to trust that Bright is town here. His power wouldn't make sense if he was a Bad Dwarf, as he would just invite his scum-mates into the QT so that they could have day chat.

How do you know that they don't already have daychat?

[scolapasta]

Plus if we assume 3 scum (for a 12 player game), and I understand the fortress correctly, I'm not sure that's possible. he first invited 1, then could add 2 more, so always even number totals.

[Galzria]

Bright, I know the case on Pubby. I'm weighing the whole Parade thing right now.

faust, I just disagree with your read on Math. Like, I seriously don't understand how he's gotten exiled in previous games. He reads crazy townie to me. I DO agree that I didn't like his conclusion in the whole Pubby/Bright post - but I don't think the thought process that got him there was scummy at all.

Swowl, what's the case on Awaclus?

Pubby, what's the case on Scola?

[Galzria]

I have to trust that Bright is town here. His power wouldn't make sense if he was a Bad Dwarf, as he would just invite his scum-mates into the QT so that they could have day chat.

How do you know that they don't already have daychat?

Why would I assume they do?

[Galzria]

Plus if we assume 3 scum (for a 12 player game), and I understand the fortress correctly, I'm not sure that's possible. he first invited 1, then could add 2 more, so always even number totals.

Did I miss where this came from? I've gone back and read twice now over the past 100 posts, which were the only ones I thought I wasn't super familiar with (weekends are just long for me out here. I read/kept up, but often it was just skimming).

[scolapasta]

Plus if we assume 3 scum (for a 12 player game), and I understand the fortress correctly, I'm not sure that's possible. he first invited 1, then could add 2 more, so always even number totals.

Did I miss where this came from? I've gone back and read twice now over the past 100 posts, which were the only ones I thought I wasn't super familiar with (weekends are just long for me out here. I read/kept up, but often it was just skimming).

Where what came from? The adding of the 2 more? I can go back to find the relevant quote.

[scolapasta]

As for my role, I started in a neighborhood with no one in it and a cap at 2. Then each night I can choose to expand the cap by 2 or not. I (and anyone in the neighborhood) invites people during the day. You can either accept or reject the invite. And being in the neighborhood has some benefit which hasn't exactly been figured out yet.

Here it is. but now I see that it's the cap that's even; clearly if it were all scum, they could just limit the invites.

[Galzria]

Plus if we assume 3 scum (for a 12 player game), and I understand the fortress correctly, I'm not sure that's possible. he first invited 1, then could add 2 more, so always even number totals.

Did I miss where this came from? I've gone back and read twice now over the past 100 posts, which were the only ones I thought I wasn't super familiar with (weekends are just long for me out here. I read/kept up, but often it was just skimming).

Where what came from? The adding of the 2 more? I can go back to find the relevant quote.

No, I know he went from 2 to 4 - but what made you sure that was the only option? Bolding the part from you that seems weird. How do you know he couldn't have increased it by 1 again from 2 to 3? Or by 3 from 2 to 5?

[Galzria]

As for my role, I started in a neighborhood with no one in it and a cap at 2. Then each night I can choose to expand the cap by 2 or not. I (and anyone in the neighborhood) invites people during the day. You can either accept or reject the invite. And being in the neighborhood has some benefit which hasn't exactly been figured out yet.

Here it is. but now I see that it's the cap that's even; clearly if it were all scum, they could just limit the invites.

Thank you - I did miss the cap expansion part of the claim.

[WestCoastDidds]

Also, he's alive on Day 2. This has never happened, therefore, he must be scum.

This made me LOL.

SAME!!

[infangthief]

Pubby, what is your opinion of brighty?

Scum Bright only exists if Didds/Galzria/Awaclus contain his partners. Otherwise he would have jumped on my voting bloc idea and used me to vote town off.

Did I miss something? What was your voting bloc idea?

[infangthief]

Prodding Jimmmmm was silly. I actually forgot he was dead lol. I forgive him for posting in the thread because it was definitely my fault. I went on mod autopilot. PINL.

mod autopilot: on
exile: bad dwarves
mod autopilot: off

[WestCoastDidds]

Vote: pubby

I’m wary of brighty, but I think the revelation post at the start of the day is authentic.

[Awaclus]

What time UTC is 5pm forum time?

[infangthief]

What time UTC is 5pm forum time?

9pm I think. At least, it is 10pm in UK (BST), which is 1hr ahead of UTC.

[jotheonah]

As of now I will not be extending the day. Vote count soon.

[infangthief]

I have to trust that Bright is town here. His power wouldn't make sense if he was a Bad Dwarf, as he would just invite his scum-mates into the QT so that they could have day chat.

The same occurred to me. But if he's scum then there could be some restriction on who his first invite can be, so he can't do that, but still that would feel really clunky. 3rd party however...

[jotheonah]

Vote Count 2.4



pubby (2): Brightgalrs, WestCoastDidds
Brightgalrs (1): Awaclus
Galzria (1): infangthief
Awaclus (1): Swowl
mathdude (1): faust
scolapasta (1): pubby

Not voting: scolapasta, Galzria, mathdude
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah, Ozle, Diddzria
Playing, but dead, PINL: Jimmmmm


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to exile. Day 2 ends Monday at 5 pm forum time unless you all decide you want an extension. That's in about an hour and a half.