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Author Topic: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - GAME OVER PERFECT SCUM WIN  (Read 107470 times)

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #625 on: April 18, 2021, 01:59:59 pm »

Eh. That's actually a pretty towny claim.

How so?

1) It's very consistent with his flavor claim, which, as mentioned before, I know
2) It doesn't make sense for scum to have that ability
3) It doesn't sound like he made it up, and if he did, we will find out as soon as we exile scum and no parade gets thrown

Is Parade some ability that others known what it would be? Or are you inferring that it's at least "something' based on his flavor claim?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - SIGN UP
« Reply #626 on: April 18, 2021, 02:05:18 pm »

I started with what I'm assuming - it looks to me like pubby is scum.  Then I run through my logic, that went into and out of my head, and arrive at the conclusion, so you can all see what I'm thinking, rather than blindly posting a vote (like some people seem to think is acceptable logic).  Would you rather I just do that?

Yes, actually. It's harder for scum to defend against accusations when they don't know what the accusations are.

That's a decent counterpoint. But I think we'll still have to agree to disagree. Responding to a blank vote will be more inclined to show meta than alignment. Some people freeze whether town or scum. Others have no problem responding either way.

I think it's also easy for scum to hide behind a blind vote, since there's almost no accountability and definitely no follow-up. Actually discussing leads, opinions, scum-reads gives us more to reference later to find who is who.

I tend to be on this side of the debate here as well. I think we all know that.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #627 on: April 18, 2021, 02:07:02 pm »

Is Parade some ability that others known what it would be? Or are you inferring that it's at least "something' based on his flavor claim?

I don't know what it is, but if it wasn't at least something, he wouldn't have that ability.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #628 on: April 18, 2021, 02:10:43 pm »

Is Parade some ability that others known what it would be? Or are you inferring that it's at least "something' based on his flavor claim?

I don't know what it is, but if it wasn't at least something, he wouldn't have that ability.

Then what exactly do you mean by this:

2) It doesn't make sense for scum to have that ability

If we don't know what the ability is, then why wouldn't it make sense for scum to have?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #629 on: April 18, 2021, 02:13:38 pm »

Is Parade some ability that others known what it would be? Or are you inferring that it's at least "something' based on his flavor claim?

I don't know what it is, but if it wasn't at least something, he wouldn't have that ability.

Then what exactly do you mean by this:

2) It doesn't make sense for scum to have that ability

If we don't know what the ability is, then why wouldn't it make sense for scum to have?

Why would scum throw a parade when they exile one of their own?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #630 on: April 18, 2021, 02:20:47 pm »

Is Parade some ability that others known what it would be? Or are you inferring that it's at least "something' based on his flavor claim?

I don't know what it is, but if it wasn't at least something, he wouldn't have that ability.

Then what exactly do you mean by this:

2) It doesn't make sense for scum to have that ability

If we don't know what the ability is, then why wouldn't it make sense for scum to have?

Why would scum throw a parade when they exile one of their own?

I guess it really depends on what it means - A funeral procession can be a sort of a parade. Or he's some kind of sadistic dwarf scum.

Without understanding more (and again you have more info than i do, knowing his flavor), anything is possible.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #631 on: April 18, 2021, 02:20:56 pm »

Awaclus is reading that much more charitably than I am.

I don't know what throwing a parade means, but it doesn't sound like anything, really. I find it hard to be believe that in a bastard game pubby has no powers, but the parade is all that he claimed. It sounds pro-town if you like parades, but it could be some kind of backlash mechanism that is super scummy. Having lived for years in a tourist town, I hate the traffic, parking problems, and general aggravation that is a parade but maybe that is just my cynical self.

Interestingly, Brighty didn't probe him at all about it.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #632 on: April 18, 2021, 02:24:58 pm »

I guess it really depends on what it means - A funeral procession can be a sort of a parade. Or he's some kind of sadistic dwarf scum.

The parade his character throws is nothing like a funeral procession.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #633 on: April 18, 2021, 02:57:16 pm »

Awaclus is reading that much more charitably than I am.

I don't know what throwing a parade means, but it doesn't sound like anything, really. I find it hard to be believe that in a bastard game pubby has no powers, but the parade is all that he claimed. It sounds pro-town if you like parades, but it could be some kind of backlash mechanism that is super scummy. Having lived for years in a tourist town, I hate the traffic, parking problems, and general aggravation that is a parade but maybe that is just my cynical self.

Interestingly, Brighty didn't probe him at all about it.
Did pubby explicitly say that he had no other powers?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #634 on: April 18, 2021, 02:58:20 pm »

pubby's ability makes more sense as an "only ability" than the one Brightgalrs claimed anyways.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #635 on: April 18, 2021, 03:04:13 pm »

I would love some explanation why Brightgalrs thought this claim was scummy.

And then I want exile scum and have my parade!
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #636 on: April 18, 2021, 03:34:09 pm »

@pubby could you answer my question at #571 please? Or I don't know, I suppose Brightgalrs you could probably answer too, as it seems you came up with the theory together.
Anyone in the fortress can invite anyone else. So it grows fast and can involve most of the players within a few days. But also Bright's entire claimed role is as the head of this fortress. Seemed like Bright's role is pretty mehhh if there are other neighborhoods already in the game, unless he's hiding a bigger role.
Ok, thanks for answering. By the way, is Bright the only one who can decide whether or not to expand the fortress?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #637 on: April 18, 2021, 03:36:21 pm »

@Bright, maybe you've given this information already, but I don't recall: why did you pick pubby as your first neighbour?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #638 on: April 18, 2021, 03:49:10 pm »

Awaclus is reading that much more charitably than I am.

I don't know what throwing a parade means, but it doesn't sound like anything, really. I find it hard to be believe that in a bastard game pubby has no powers, but the parade is all that he claimed. It sounds pro-town if you like parades, but it could be some kind of backlash mechanism that is super scummy. Having lived for years in a tourist town, I hate the traffic, parking problems, and general aggravation that is a parade but maybe that is just my cynical self.

Interestingly, Brighty didn't probe him at all about it.
Did pubby explicitly say that he had no other powers?

No. I have the gist of all he said, and thereby weren’t any follow up questions
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #639 on: April 18, 2021, 03:49:39 pm »

*gave you
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #640 on: April 18, 2021, 05:35:07 pm »

Swowl walks in all like "oh yeah this game".
Swowl Apologizes. He ensures everyone that he has been reading along and thinks that there is just a ton of focus on shit that doesn't matter.
Swowl however, has nothing better to talk about really.
Swowl agrees with Awaclus' thoughts on the Pubby-Parade ability thing.

Swowl lays down and takes a nap. The town is sure he will be back later once he awakens.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #641 on: April 18, 2021, 07:31:05 pm »

@Bright, maybe you've given this information already, but I don't recall: why did you pick pubby as your first neighbour?
He's my friend IRL so it was nepotism at work.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #642 on: April 18, 2021, 07:35:42 pm »

My only power is the parade thing.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #643 on: April 18, 2021, 08:58:05 pm »

Pubby, what is your opinion of brighty?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #644 on: April 18, 2021, 11:39:42 pm »

Ok, thanks for answering. By the way, is Bright the only one who can decide whether or not to expand the fortress?
Yeah.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #645 on: April 19, 2021, 01:05:25 am »

I believe deadline is 16 hours away and we're not seeming to get very far.  Day exiles are generally our best shot at finding scum (along with Vigilante possibilities), so let's see what the next few hours bring as people wake up for the day.

Vote: Bright
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #646 on: April 19, 2021, 01:18:35 am »

Vote: Bright
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
We're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?
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« Reply #647 on: April 19, 2021, 01:19:45 am »

Ok, thanks for answering. By the way, is Bright the only one who can decide whether or not to expand the fortress?
Yeah.
Will you also answer my question at some point?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #648 on: April 19, 2021, 01:20:43 am »

Vote: Bright
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
We're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?

It's a scummy reason but it's a pretty good vote.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #649 on: April 19, 2021, 01:25:05 am »

Vote: Bright
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
We're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?

It's a scummy reason but it's a pretty good vote.
I've seen worse.
But I can only accept it because it wouldn't be good for mathdude to vote for himself. for everyone else, it would be better to vote for mathdude.
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