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Guys, I think we need an old-fashioned goofy, unbalanced, anything goes bastard mafia game.

I was googling around for quotes about bastards (because, bastard mafia) and I came across this one from Tyrion Lancaster and so I decided the theme of this bastard game is going to be dwarves. LoTR/the Hobbit dwarves, Snow White's dwarves, Tyrion, Discworld Dwarves, etc. PM me a dwarf of any kind from any media (let's try to stay away from real people with dwarfism) and that will be your character. I may or may not give you thematic mechanical powers.

The setup will be mostly closed, but will probably disclose some things. PINL (Promise I'm Not Lying) rules will apply -- if and only if I write "PINL" before or after messaging, you know you can trust it.

I'm not going to intentionally make the game unbalanced, unfun, impossibly long or impossibly short. But I do reserve the right to do unorthodox or norm-defying things you might not see in a normal game. It's going to be more like the first couple of Bastard Games we played on this forum than the more recent games that are more "I'm not confident I balanced this set-up well so I'm going to call it "Bastard" just in case".

I'll add a rules post and stuff by and by. I'll launch the game with however many people sign up, as long as its three or more.

1. Galzria Dainn, survived
2. faust Barnard's Star, killed night 2.
3. Awaclus Nimmie Amee, killed night 3
4. pubby Mayor of the Munchkin City, exiled day 2.
5. mathdude Sleepy, survived
6. Swowl Dopey, endgamed
7. infangthief Bashful Bashfullsson, killed night 3
8. WestCoastDidds Doc, survived
9. Brightgalrs Urist McMafiaPlayer, exiled day 3
10. Jimmmmm Holly the AI, exiled day 1.
11. EFHW Professor Flitwick, killed night 1.
12. scolapasta Mini-Me, exiled day 4
« Last Edit: May 04, 2021, 03:29:03 pm by jotheonah »
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2021, 04:51:48 pm »

The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.

The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information (including QT opening and closing times) is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
5. Players must post once every 24 hours.
6. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
7. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
8. Cryptography is not allowed.
9. The time between an exile being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the exiled player.
10. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except in their Role QT. An exiled player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
11. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable, or any string that uniquely identifies a user. Note that the point of voting is, in fact, unambiguity, and attempting to make it unclear to other players (or, of course, mods) which user you are voting for is very ill-advised.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no exile.
5. Exiles occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, an exile cannot be undone.
6. If a majority exile is not reached by the Day's deadline, no exile occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, Maroon text are reserved for the MODs. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. Players may request prods on other players if they have not posted in 24 hours. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
8. Each player will receive their own QT, regardless of role. Don't quote from it.
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without an exile or nightkill, town wins.

Deadlines and ephemera:
1. Days will last five IRL days.
2. Nights will last 48 hours.
3. Kills in this game will be flavored, and that flavor may be important.

The town faction in this game are GOOD DWARVES and the mafia are BAD DWARVES. Your win conditions, which I failed to include in your PMs, are the normal ones -- GOOD DWARVES win when BAD DWARVES have been eliminated and BAD DWARVES win when that can no longer be accomplished. If you have a win con other than these two, you have been informed of it. PINL for this whole block of text.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - SIGN UP
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2021, 05:06:15 pm »

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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - SIGN UP
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2021, 05:20:06 pm »

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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2021, 05:21:07 pm »

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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2021, 05:57:40 pm »

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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2021, 06:13:52 pm »

Oh why not.
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2021, 07:14:39 pm »

some of you have /inned but not sent me dwarves

more bafflingly, some of you have sent me dwarves but not /inned
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2021, 07:15:06 pm »

wait no that last one isn't true
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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2021, 02:51:26 am »

innnnnnnn ////
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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2021, 05:09:36 am »

wait no that last one isn't true
It is now.

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And now it's not again.
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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2021, 10:31:39 am »

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I can't think of any girl-dwarves.  But since we all know I am a powerful witch, I can be a dude dwarf. I'll send youa few of the seven that I can remember. 

Also, I am overextended so I will be the worst about keeping up, but I am not going to turn down a chance to play with my friendlies.

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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2021, 10:34:54 am »

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I can't think of any girl-dwarves.  But since we all know I am a powerful witch, I can be a dude dwarf. I'll send youa few of the seven that I can remember. 

Also, I am overextended so I will be the worst about keeping up, but I am not going to turn down a chance to play with my friendlies.

xoxo

There's Cheery from Discworld. And, um...
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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2021, 12:52:58 pm »

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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2021, 01:37:31 pm »

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I can't think of any girl-dwarves.  But since we all know I am a powerful witch, I can be a dude dwarf. I'll send youa few of the seven that I can remember. 

Also, I am overextended so I will be the worst about keeping up, but I am not going to turn down a chance to play with my friendlies.

xoxo

There's Cheery from Discworld. And, um...

Are we sad there isn't more gender equity in fictitious dwarves, or glad that there isn't a boat load of hypersexualized chick dwarves? Both, maybe.
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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2021, 01:48:45 pm »

/in

I can't think of any girl-dwarves.  But since we all know I am a powerful witch, I can be a dude dwarf. I'll send youa few of the seven that I can remember. 

Also, I am overextended so I will be the worst about keeping up, but I am not going to turn down a chance to play with my friendlies.

xoxo

There's Cheery from Discworld. And, um...

Are we sad there isn't more gender equity in fictitious dwarves, or glad that there isn't a boat load of hypersexualized chick dwarves? Both, maybe.

A lot of media take the line that there are female dwarves, they just also have beards and deep voices and look the same.
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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2021, 04:15:24 pm »

/in

I can't think of any girl-dwarves.  But since we all know I am a powerful witch, I can be a dude dwarf. I'll send youa few of the seven that I can remember. 

Also, I am overextended so I will be the worst about keeping up, but I am not going to turn down a chance to play with my friendlies.

xoxo

There's Cheery from Discworld. And, um...

Are we sad there isn't more gender equity in fictitious dwarves, or glad that there isn't a boat load of hypersexualized chick dwarves? Both, maybe.

A lot of media take the line that there are female dwarves, they just also have beards and deep voices and look the same.

Those people are not my people, almost certainly
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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2021, 05:30:52 pm »

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I can't think of any girl-dwarves.  But since we all know I am a powerful witch, I can be a dude dwarf.

My honorary-dwarf girl submission got accepted.
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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2021, 06:21:24 pm »

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I can't think of any girl-dwarves.  But since we all know I am a powerful witch, I can be a dude dwarf.

My honorary-dwarf girl submission got accepted.
Are we doing a mass-claim before the game even starts?
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2021, 06:29:23 pm »

/in

I can't think of any girl-dwarves.  But since we all know I am a powerful witch, I can be a dude dwarf.

My honorary-dwarf girl submission got accepted.

I honor the dwarf-girl in you, Awaclus!
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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2021, 07:26:14 pm »

/in if it doesn't start before Wednesday (24th).

If it does, that's fine too, just don't expect much from me before then.
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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2021, 08:55:03 am »

/in Even though I'm already in two other games.  FOMO!
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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2021, 08:36:04 pm »

It'll start... when it starts.
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« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2021, 08:07:11 pm »

Well this seems like a perfectly cromulent number of players. I'll work out the setup tomorrow night and get us rolling by the weekend. Signups are still open.
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« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2021, 06:39:35 am »

PINL (Promise I'm Not Lying) rules will apply -- if and only if I write "PINL" before or after messaging, you know you can trust it.
Does this extend to things like "Thread Locked" etc?
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« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2021, 09:08:01 am »

PINL (Promise I'm Not Lying) rules will apply -- if and only if I write "PINL" before or after messaging, you know you can trust it.
Does this extend to things like "Thread Locked" etc?

Following JL Austin here, I'm going to say that "Thread Locked" constitutes a performative utterance and is therefore not truth-evaluable.
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« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2021, 10:14:40 am »

While it is true that you decreeing the thread locked makes it so, it is also true that realities can shift the meaning of words as the community comes to understand them differently. “Locked” then becomes unmoored form it’s previous meaning and subject to our shifting collective understandings. Understandings like “Joth is not the boss of me,” unless, of course, he is.
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« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2021, 10:24:27 am »

I've forgotten what Didds is a professor of, but if it's language theory I may have just stepped in way over my head :P
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« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2021, 10:59:25 am »

This is way over my head.

Joth, whenever you post anything without PINL, please can you indicate whether or not you consider it to be a performative utterance. And add "PINL" to that indication.
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« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2021, 12:27:10 pm »

I've forgotten what Didds is a professor of, but if it's language theory I may have just stepped in way over my head :P

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« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2021, 01:29:08 pm »

This is way over my head.

Joth, whenever you post anything without PINL, please can you indicate whether or not you consider it to be a performative utterance. And add "PINL" to that indication.

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« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2021, 02:34:11 pm »

I've forgotten what Didds is a professor of, but if it's language theory I may have just stepped in way over my head :P

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lol. what are the chances?
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« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2021, 02:44:15 pm »

Can someone define when a mod becomes a mod? Is it at game posting? Game starting? When the idea was a nugget of imagination inside their head?

Joth has made a lot of posts thusfar that do not include PINL where he promises us things...
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2021, 02:48:14 pm »

Can someone define when a mod becomes a mod? Is it at game posting? Game starting? When the idea was a nugget of imagination inside their head?

Joth has made a lot of posts thusfar that do not include PINL where he promises us things...

He has evidently lied at least once already:

wait no that last one isn't true
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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2021, 04:00:22 pm »

I'm not going to intentionally make the game unbalanced, unfun, impossibly long or impossibly short. PINL.

You'll get to play as the Dwarf you submitted unless that Dwarf was already chosen. PINL.

The game will start this week. PINL.

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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2021, 05:53:53 pm »

Request for "PHILIPINLATVIA" to make an account and join this game.
Then we'll know we can trust all the vote counts etc.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - SIGN UP
« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2021, 06:12:08 pm »

I've forgotten what Didds is a professor of, but if it's language theory I may have just stepped in way over my head :P

Love you, mean it!

lol. what are the chances?

There have been zero opportunities for me to say anything about how language constructs reality in the 2ish years I’ve been playing. It’s wonderful!!
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« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2021, 09:44:46 pm »

I've forgotten what Didds is a professor of, but if it's language theory I may have just stepped in way over my head :P

Love you, mean it!

lol. what are the chances?

There have been zero opportunities for me to say anything about how language constructs reality in the 2ish years I’ve been playing. It’s wonderful!!

Did I at least impress you busting out the JL Austen?
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« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2021, 10:47:48 pm »

All of it was impressive! Austin, speed acts theory, the correct deployment of the theory. Legit impressive, really.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - SIGN UP
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2021, 09:27:40 am »

While it is true that you decreeing the thread locked makes it so, it is also true that realities can shift the meaning of words as the community comes to understand them differently. “Locked” then becomes unmoored form it’s previous meaning and subject to our shifting collective understandings. Understandings like “Joth is not the boss of me,” unless, of course, he is.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - SIGN UP
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2021, 10:39:54 am »

While it is true that you decreeing the thread locked makes it so, it is also true that realities can shift the meaning of words as the community comes to understand them differently. “Locked” then becomes unmoored form it’s previous meaning and subject to our shifting collective understandings. Understandings like “Joth is not the boss of me,” unless, of course, he is.
He can also just lock the thread for real.

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« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2021, 03:34:16 pm »

Clearly I was lying when I said when this would start. But don't worry, I'm working on it.
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« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2021, 04:58:02 pm »

Clearly I was lying when I said when this would start. But don't worry, I'm working on it.

No PINL. Clearly a scum tell.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
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« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2021, 06:08:03 pm »

Clearly I was lying when I said when this would start. But don't worry, I'm working on it.

No PINL. Clearly a scum tell.
I think this means the game has started, right?

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« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2021, 07:02:57 pm »

Clearly I was lying when I said when this would start. But don't worry, I'm working on it.

No PINL. Clearly a scum tell.
I think this means the game has started, right?

Vote: Galzria

That’s a good vote. I approve of this vote. I request that the opening day VC include this vote.
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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2021, 03:31:41 pm »

Vote: Galzria

I haven't received a PM, so I assume that means I'm town.
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« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2021, 03:38:32 pm »

Vote: Galzria

I haven't received a PM, so I assume that means I'm town.

So you have no PM stating that you are town, or providing you with a link to a QT that states that you are town?
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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #47 on: March 28, 2021, 04:15:04 pm »

Vote: Galzria

I haven't received a PM, so I assume that means I'm town.

So you have no PM stating that you are town, or providing you with a link to a QT that states that you are town?
No. And neither does anyone else on my scum team.
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« Reply #48 on: March 28, 2021, 05:46:40 pm »

Vote: Galzria

I haven't received a PM, so I assume that means I'm town.

So you have no PM stating that you are town, or providing you with a link to a QT that states that you are town?
No. And neither does anyone else on my scum team.

that's weird. there must be two skum teams.
is yours spelled with a K or a C?
it matters for flavor.
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« Reply #49 on: March 28, 2021, 06:28:05 pm »

Vote: Galzria

I haven't received a PM, so I assume that means I'm town.

So you have no PM stating that you are town, or providing you with a link to a QT that states that you are town?
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that's weird. there must be two skum teams.
is yours spelled with a K or a C?
it matters for flavor.

You forgot to mention the one with a silent "z", skuzm. Or was that omission intentional?
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« Reply #50 on: March 28, 2021, 11:03:39 pm »

Vote: Galzria

I haven't received a PM, so I assume that means I'm town.

So you have no PM stating that you are town, or providing you with a link to a QT that states that you are town?
No. And neither does anyone else on my scum team.

that's weird. there must be two skum teams.
is yours spelled with a K or a C?
it matters for flavor.

You forgot to mention the one with a silent "z", skuzm. Or was that omission intentional?

skumz slip
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« Reply #51 on: March 28, 2021, 11:36:20 pm »

PINL (Promise I'm Not Lying) rules will apply -- if and only if I write "PINL" before or after messaging, you know you can trust it.

I've never played in a game like this one before.  But if I get this right, we basically need to doubt anything joth tells us, unless he PINL.

The game will start this week. PINL.

Or apparently even when he PINL, we still can't believe him.  That sets a great standard for the game!

Clearly I was lying when I said when this would start. But don't worry, I'm working on it.

No PINL included in this post.  So who knows if he's working on it or not.

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« Reply #52 on: March 28, 2021, 11:39:09 pm »

Is it too late to join?
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« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2021, 12:50:17 am »

Is it too late to join?

I don't believe he ever said signups were closed...

Well this seems like a perfectly cromulent number of players. I'll work out the setup tomorrow night and get us rolling by the weekend. Signups are still open.

Of course, he also didn't say PINL when he said they were still open.
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« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2021, 02:37:39 am »

Is it too late to join?
That would be the whole of Codenames XI crew here.

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« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2021, 08:18:11 am »

Is it too late to join?

Send Joth your dwarf name!
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« Reply #56 on: March 29, 2021, 11:45:12 am »

it's almost too late, but it's not!
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« Reply #57 on: March 29, 2021, 12:22:49 pm »

Is it too late to join?

Send Joth your dwarf name!

Sent.

Is it too late to join?
That would be the whole of Codenames XI crew here.

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WCD is Red.
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« Reply #58 on: March 29, 2021, 03:23:32 pm »

WCD is a WONDERFUL RAINBOW!
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« Reply #59 on: March 29, 2021, 03:54:33 pm »

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« Reply #60 on: March 29, 2021, 05:09:48 pm »

WCD is a WONDERFUL RAINBOW!


RYPOGPB?

So choosing to use Pink instead of Indigo can be considered a style choice (or not realizing you can type color names to use some that are not in the dropdown)... 

but putting Yellow before Orange and Purple (violet) before Blue? <shakes head>
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« Reply #61 on: March 29, 2021, 05:19:25 pm »

Ha!  I totally had the idea that I should do it in ROYGBIV order, but I just went in the drop down menu order because I was multitasking while advising students so you get what you get!

But WCD is in pink because that is my favorite color and WONDEFUL is in lime green because I like it that way. 
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« Reply #62 on: March 29, 2021, 05:30:38 pm »

WCD is a WONDERFUL RAINBOW!


RYPOGPB?

So choosing to use Pink instead of Indigo can be considered a style choice (or not realizing you can type color names to use some that are not in the dropdown)... 

but putting Yellow before Orange and Purple (violet) before Blue? <shakes head>

RAINBOW’s are scummy. RAINBOW’s are not.

Vote: WCD
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #63 on: March 29, 2021, 05:32:38 pm »

WCD is Red.

But WCD is in pink because that is my favorite color

Are you calling Scola a liar?
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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - SIGN UP
« Reply #64 on: March 29, 2021, 06:31:41 pm »

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« Reply #65 on: March 30, 2021, 12:52:55 am »

here is the thing. I submitted a gnome and got a your good to go, so the whole thing is probably effed in the a. gonna be a good time.
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« Reply #66 on: March 30, 2021, 01:11:34 am »

I’m pretty sure this game has already started, but Joth hasn’t told anybody and there are no public VC’s.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #67 on: March 30, 2021, 07:16:14 am »

I’m pretty sure this game has already started, but Joth hasn’t told anybody and there are no public VC’s.


This actually seems like a definite possibility. I don't know much about this type of Mafia game, but everything lines up. Joth said that the game would start last week and said PINL. Since then, he has told us he got delayed, but didn't PINL. So I'm assuming I'm Town, not having been told otherwise.

Vote: Galz
Reason: scum probably got a message telling them who they are, so they would suspect the game has already started.

Let's put Galz up to majority vote and see if that triggers the end of D1.
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« Reply #68 on: March 30, 2021, 09:39:39 am »

oh my goodness. you all!

it turns out I forgot how long it takes to make a mafia setup from scratch with characters other people chose.
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« Reply #69 on: March 30, 2021, 09:57:05 am »

it's almost too late, but it's not!

Since this also didn't have PINL,  I'm not even sure if I'm in the game or not!

I might be a true 3rd party. :)
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« Reply #70 on: March 30, 2021, 12:22:52 pm »

oh my goodness. you all!

it turns out I forgot how long it takes to make a mafia setup from scratch with characters other people chose.

I don't see "PINL"!
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« Reply #71 on: April 05, 2021, 12:48:03 pm »

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« Reply #72 on: April 05, 2021, 01:33:56 pm »

:startgame:

Damn! Is this the new necro thread? I think you’re winning.

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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - SIGN UP
« Reply #73 on: April 05, 2021, 09:50:47 pm »

Good news everyone!

I finished the PMs/roles/setup.

I'll set up the QTs and send everything out tomorrow, and we'll get started tomorrow afternoon or evening.

PINL.
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« Reply #74 on: April 06, 2021, 04:05:08 am »

Good news everyone!

I finished the PMs/roles/setup.

I'll set up the QTs and send everything out tomorrow, and we'll get started tomorrow afternoon or evening.

PINL.

There's no PINL after that PINL, how can we trust that you're not lying when you say PINL?
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« Reply #75 on: April 06, 2021, 09:13:48 am »

I'm going to trust it.

Thanks Joth, good work, looking forward to it.
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« Reply #76 on: April 06, 2021, 09:14:12 am »

THREAD LOCKED
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« Reply #77 on: April 06, 2021, 09:25:34 am »

Ok. Everyone has PMs. Please confirm in your QTs. Night zero begins now and will last 24 hours or until the last confirmation comes in, whichever comes first. I will try to actually add a rules post during that time.

If you have any questions about your role, feel free to ask them in your QT. I probably won't answer them, but it never hurts to ask.
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« Reply #78 on: April 07, 2021, 08:54:13 am »

I am waiting on one confirmation. If I don't get it by 9:45, I won't be able to start the game until I get back from the dentist at 11:30.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - NIGHT ZERO
« Reply #79 on: April 07, 2021, 05:16:11 pm »

As the sun rose over Dwarfville, Dwarves large and small, mostly small, got out their pickaxes and began going about their dwarfly days.

But, what’s this? Beardy, the happy little Dwarf everyone loves, has been run over by a mining cart. Foul play is suspected!

Immediately the Dwarf council meets to begin its deliberations. Could there be BAD DWARVES among us?

Day 1 Start.

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« Reply #80 on: April 07, 2021, 05:22:27 pm »

MiX, why should I believe you’re not scum this game?

First!

.... MiX isn’t in this game? I don’t believe it.

Vote: MiX

Hello to everyone! It’s been so long since I’ve been in a game! Diddsy! I’ve missed you!

Lots of usual suspects around. Faust, EFHW, Jimmmmm (you’ve been absent too recently, yes?) - how’s everyone doing?

Some new names for me too! Bright and Math, I don’t *think* we’ve played any games together? My memory is not great though. Actually, fang, first mafia game together? Hmm... really don’t remember.

And hello to everybody else too! Good to be back!

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« Reply #81 on: April 07, 2021, 05:27:21 pm »

Oh shit I thought I signed up for wharf mafia
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« Reply #82 on: April 07, 2021, 05:30:06 pm »

Oh shit I thought I signed up for wharf mafia

I think you were out of Actions.
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« Reply #83 on: April 07, 2021, 05:31:33 pm »

Actually Galzria, we played together in 2019 in Bad Idea Mafia.
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« Reply #84 on: April 07, 2021, 05:39:11 pm »

Hi hi hi hi!!

Galzy! I’ve missed you, too!! I hope that your new year is off to a great start.

Mix isn’t in this game?? No way! Vote: Joth for not recruiting his sorry ass. (I figure it’s a bastard game so I’m allowed to cuss, right? Will that he offensive to anyone? Lemme know and I’ll rein it in)

Who is playing?

1. Galzria
2. faust
3. Awaclus
4. pubby
5. mathdude
6. Swowl
7. infangthief
8. WestCoastDidds
9. Brightgalrs
10. Jimmmmm
11. EFHW
12. scolapasta

Oh fun!!! Some OGs in there. Jimmmmmm!! I’ve missed you, too!!
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« Reply #85 on: April 07, 2021, 05:40:11 pm »

The brighty/ pubby pair is powerful!! Beware!
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« Reply #86 on: April 07, 2021, 05:40:47 pm »

Oh shit I thought I signed up for wharf mafia

I think you were out of Actions.

That’s always the thing with wharf.
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« Reply #87 on: April 07, 2021, 05:49:49 pm »

Hi all,

1st rule of Dwarf club:

DO NOT EXILE MATHDUDE DAY 1.

2nd rule of Dwarf club:

DO NOT EXILE MATHDUDE DAY 1.

That is all.
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« Reply #88 on: April 07, 2021, 05:52:38 pm »

Swowl meanders timidly into Dwarfville.
Swowl sees many familiar faces, some old ones, and some new ones.
Swowl greets them all and heads for the tavern.
Swowl sits down and wonders if this bit will get old or not.

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« Reply #89 on: April 07, 2021, 05:53:16 pm »

Hi all,

1st rule of Dwarf club:

DO NOT EXILE MATHDUDE DAY 1.

2nd rule of Dwarf club:

DO NOT EXILE MATHDUDE DAY 1.

That is all.

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« Reply #90 on: April 07, 2021, 06:01:01 pm »

Dwarfville
There's also the alternative spelling "Dwarvfille".
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« Reply #91 on: April 07, 2021, 06:01:36 pm »

/tag

/speccy

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« Reply #92 on: April 07, 2021, 06:30:30 pm »

Let it be known Mathdude us not getting exiled D1! Everyone knows this. It is known.
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« Reply #93 on: April 07, 2021, 06:43:32 pm »

Let it be known Mathdude us not getting exiled D1! Everyone knows this. It is known.

SO SAY WE ALL... oh wait, wrong game. :p
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« Reply #94 on: April 07, 2021, 06:49:40 pm »

Oh shit I thought I signed up for wharf mafia

I think you were out of Actions.

Maybe he was delusional and that's why he was unable to sign up for Wharf mafia this turn.
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« Reply #95 on: April 07, 2021, 08:03:59 pm »

/tag

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« Reply #96 on: April 07, 2021, 08:11:21 pm »

This "mathdude" dude hasn't posted yet, seems pretty suspicious to me.
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« Reply #97 on: April 07, 2021, 08:51:26 pm »

/tag

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« Reply #98 on: April 07, 2021, 08:51:47 pm »

Hi hi hi hi!!

Galzy! I’ve missed you, too!! I hope that your new year is off to a great start.

Mix isn’t in this game?? No way! Vote: Joth for not recruiting his sorry ass. (I figure it’s a bastard game so I’m allowed to cuss, right? Will that he offensive to anyone? Lemme know and I’ll rein it in)

Who is playing?

1. Galzria
2. faust
3. Awaclus
4. pubby
5. mathdude
6. Swowl
7. infangthief
8. WestCoastDidds
9. Brightgalrs
10. Jimmmmm
11. EFHW
12. scolapasta

Oh fun!!! Some OGs in there. Jimmmmmm!! I’ve missed you, too!!

Hi everyone. Yes, I'm one of the new guys. I recognize (and have "played with") some of the names here. I have also heard of some others in passing. But some of you are completely new to me. Hi to all anyway.

Hi all,

1st rule of Dwarf club:

DO NOT EXILE MATHDUDE DAY 1.

2nd rule of Dwarf club:

DO NOT EXILE MATHDUDE DAY 1.

That is all.

Thanks pasta! (And also Swowl and Didds). For those not in the know, this is my third game here. In my first, I was exiled D1. The second is still going on, so we can't discuss it (you can go read it if you want), but needless to say I'm not still in the game there either.

This "mathdude" dude hasn't posted yet, seems pretty suspicious to me.

And hello to you too. I'll keep on my eye on you! (Not waiting for me to post is what got me quick-hammered by Mafia in my first game).
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« Reply #99 on: April 07, 2021, 09:03:19 pm »

MiX has been modkilled. He was Not Playing.
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« Reply #100 on: April 07, 2021, 09:38:04 pm »

Still waiting on infangthief and EFHW to chime in, but considering some of us know each other pretty well, maybe we could discuss what characters we think others picked.

Like I know pubby, so I might have a theory or two about who he picked.
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« Reply #101 on: April 07, 2021, 09:52:07 pm »

MiX has been modkilled. He was Not Playing.

Joth, you are awesome. PINL
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« Reply #102 on: April 07, 2021, 09:55:23 pm »

Still waiting on infangthief and EFHW to chime in, but considering some of us know each other pretty well, maybe we could discuss what characters we think others picked.

Like I know pubby, so I might have a theory or two about who he picked.


Ohhhhhh...... I like it!

Most of the gamer dudes are going to have picked obscure dwarves I’ve never heard of. My not gamer friendlies will have chosen Disney dwarves or other popular culture ones like LoTR and whatnot.

I am the most obvious dwarf, or maybe second most obvious dwarf had I been thinking about it more.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #103 on: April 07, 2021, 10:20:13 pm »

MiX has been modkilled. He was Not Playing.

Why did you have to kill MiX? Turned up green - we could have used one more Town player.
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« Reply #104 on: April 07, 2021, 10:43:29 pm »

MiX has been modkilled. He was Not Playing.

Why did you have to kill MiX? Turned up green - we could have used one more Town player.

He did not PINL MiX is not playing = MiX IS playing.
He did not PINL his Modkill was real = MiX is alive.
He did not PINL MiX is Green = MiX is red.

MiX also dodged my question on why he’s not scum this game.
Join me in exiling MiX.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
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« Reply #105 on: April 07, 2021, 10:51:37 pm »

I'm trying to come up with a list of potentially evil dwarf characters but all I can think of is Mini Me and that tiny dude in Elf. Any more?
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« Reply #106 on: April 08, 2021, 04:00:39 am »

I'm trying to come up with a list of potentially evil dwarf characters but all I can think of is Mini Me and that tiny dude in Elf. Any more?
Do you think people have intentionally submitted evil charcters?
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« Reply #107 on: April 08, 2021, 04:01:11 am »

Also I have it on good authority that not PINL != PIL.
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« Reply #108 on: April 08, 2021, 04:03:53 am »

Still waiting on infangthief and EFHW to chime in, but considering some of us know each other pretty well, maybe we could discuss what characters we think others picked.
This is amazing but we could give ourselves away by being aware of certain dwarves. I found this very helpful dwarf list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fictional_dwarves

Side note: Something in my hands always wants to type drawf instead of dwarf. I apologize in advance.
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« Reply #109 on: April 08, 2021, 04:05:06 am »

The fictional characters with dwarfism list on wikipedia doesn't even have Tyrion Lannister in it :(
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« Reply #110 on: April 08, 2021, 04:05:39 am »

Oh wait it does, but under L rather than T.
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« Reply #111 on: April 08, 2021, 04:50:23 am »

I also don't think that flavor indicates alignment because my dwarf should probably have been a bad dwarf if you go by flavor, but I'm good!
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« Reply #112 on: April 08, 2021, 04:51:28 am »

Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?
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« Reply #113 on: April 08, 2021, 06:02:20 am »

I also don't think that flavor indicates alignment because my dwarf should probably have been a bad dwarf if you go by flavor, but I'm good!

That seems pretty suspicious. Vote: faust
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« Reply #114 on: April 08, 2021, 06:03:39 am »

He did not PINL MiX is Green = MiX is red.

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« Reply #115 on: April 08, 2021, 06:08:01 am »

He did not PINL MiX is Green = MiX is red.

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This vote doesn't make sense.

Vote: Awaclus
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« Reply #116 on: April 08, 2021, 06:11:01 am »

He did not PINL MiX is Green = MiX is red.

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This vote doesn't make sense.

Vote: Awaclus

I agree, but then why did you cast it?
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« Reply #117 on: April 08, 2021, 06:16:36 am »

He did not PINL MiX is Green = MiX is red.

How do you know red is scum? Vote: Galzria
This vote doesn't make sense.

Vote: Awaclus

I agree, but then why did you cast it?
Note the use of punctuation. If I meant what you suggest, I would have used a colon rather than a period.
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« Reply #118 on: April 08, 2021, 06:18:40 am »

Note the use of punctuation. If I meant what you suggest, I would have used a colon rather than a period.

Naturally, you have to use a colon for the vote to count.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #119 on: April 08, 2021, 06:21:04 am »

unvote

Vote. Awaclus
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« Reply #120 on: April 08, 2021, 06:25:55 am »

Still waiting on infangthief and EFHW to chime in, but considering some of us know each other pretty well, maybe we could discuss what characters we think others picked.
This is amazing but we could give ourselves away by being aware of certain dwarves. I found this very helpful dwarf list:
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« Reply #121 on: April 08, 2021, 06:45:36 am »

Oo, it's started.

Swowl, are you required to post in italic and third person at all times?
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« Reply #122 on: April 08, 2021, 06:48:43 am »

And hi everyone. I've played with a few of you before. faust, Swowl, Awaclus, EFHW, Didds, I think that's all.
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« Reply #123 on: April 08, 2021, 06:51:28 am »

Actually, I agree with faust.

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« Reply #124 on: April 08, 2021, 07:36:00 am »

Actually, I agree with faust.

vote: Awaclus

That vote still doesn't make any sense.
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« Reply #125 on: April 08, 2021, 07:48:59 am »

Oh that's right, Mafia. I've decided to swear off RVS and vote only when I mean it. Vote: Brightgalrs
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« Reply #126 on: April 08, 2021, 08:00:29 am »

Jimmmmm (you’ve been absent too recently, yes?)

Jimmmmmm!! I’ve missed you, too!!

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« Reply #127 on: April 08, 2021, 08:09:31 am »

You could get a cat. Cats are awesome.
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« Reply #128 on: April 08, 2021, 08:16:16 am »

You could get a cat. Cats are awesome.

But I've never liked pickles.
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« Reply #129 on: April 08, 2021, 08:17:11 am »

Still waiting on infangthief and EFHW to chime in, but considering some of us know each other pretty well, maybe we could discuss what characters we think others picked.
This is amazing but we could give ourselves away by being aware of certain dwarves. I found this very helpful dwarf list:
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« Reply #130 on: April 08, 2021, 08:17:40 am »

You could get a cat. Cats are awesome.

But I've never liked pickles.

I can see that. How do you feel about puppies?
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« Reply #131 on: April 08, 2021, 08:20:12 am »

Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?

Why is this a question for me??
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« Reply #132 on: April 08, 2021, 08:20:33 am »

Still waiting on infangthief and EFHW to chime in, but considering some of us know each other pretty well, maybe we could discuss what characters we think others picked.
This is amazing but we could give ourselves away by being aware of certain dwarves. I found this very helpful dwarf list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fictional_dwarves

Side note: Something in my hands always wants to type drawf instead of dwarf. I apologize in advance.

Are you saying it would be obvious you are scum if we knew who you were?
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« Reply #133 on: April 08, 2021, 08:20:45 am »

Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?

Why is this a question for me??
Why is this not an answer for me???
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« Reply #134 on: April 08, 2021, 08:24:28 am »

And hi everyone. I've played with a few of you before. faust, Swowl, Awaclus, EFHW, Didds, I think that's all.


It’s great to see you fang! How are things in your neck of the woods? My favorite fang anecdote is your daughter making mcmcmcmc sounds (that’s a fang anecdote, right? I think so, but memory is shaky with avatar names for real people...)
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« Reply #135 on: April 08, 2021, 08:26:58 am »

Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?

Why is this a question for me??
Why is this not an answer for me???

Because it is an oddly specific question.
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« Reply #136 on: April 08, 2021, 08:43:01 am »

Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?

Why is this a question for me??
Why is this not an answer for me???

Because it is an oddly specific question.
What are you worried about?
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« Reply #137 on: April 08, 2021, 08:57:50 am »

Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?

Why is this a question for me??
Why is this not an answer for me???

Because it is an oddly specific question.
What are you worried about?

You!
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« Reply #138 on: April 08, 2021, 08:59:37 am »

Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?

Why is this a question for me??
Why is this not an answer for me???

Because it is an oddly specific question.
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Aw, that's nice, but I can assure you that I'm perfectly well :)
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« Reply #139 on: April 08, 2021, 09:01:05 am »

Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?

Why is this a question for me??
Why is this not an answer for me???

Because it is an oddly specific question.
What are you worried about?

You!
Aw, that's nice, but I can assure you that I'm perfectly well :)

Oh, good! I’m hoping that for the best for all of our f.ds friends and the lockdowns have been so hard. Do you have weekend plans?
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« Reply #140 on: April 08, 2021, 09:09:36 am »

Oh, good! I’m hoping that for the best for all of our f.ds friends and the lockdowns have been so hard. Do you have weekend plans?
I'm staying with my parents for the week. Actually had to rent a car to get here, which was my first time driving in like 5 years or so and a bit scary, but it ended up alright. And now I'm taking a bit of a vacation.
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« Reply #141 on: April 08, 2021, 09:31:50 am »

Vote Count 1.1



MiX (1): Galzria
Joth (1): WestCoastDidds
Galzria (1): Awaclus
faust (1): mathdude
Awaclus (1): infangthief
Brightgalrs (1): Jimmmmm

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Not playing: MiX, jotheonah


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« Reply #142 on: April 08, 2021, 09:43:44 am »

Not playing: MiX, jotheonah
So everyone else is playing?

Exile all lurkers!

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« Reply #143 on: April 08, 2021, 09:48:49 am »

Galzria (1): Awaclus

This is a pretty promising and towny wagon, I think I'm going to join it too!

Vote: Galzria
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« Reply #144 on: April 08, 2021, 09:57:49 am »

And hi everyone. I've played with a few of you before. faust, Swowl, Awaclus, EFHW, Didds, I think that's all.

Not true! You've played with me as well. Granted, it was Codenames, not Mafia.

(speaking of which, we need another player for Codenames XI, if anyone is interested)
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« Reply #145 on: April 08, 2021, 10:00:15 am »

Vote: EFHW because that never turns out badly for us. Never.
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« Reply #146 on: April 08, 2021, 10:02:46 am »

Oh, good! I’m hoping that for the best for all of our f.ds friends and the lockdowns have been so hard. Do you have weekend plans?
I'm staying with my parents for the week. Actually had to rent a car to get here, which was my first time driving in like 5 years or so and a bit scary, but it ended up alright. And now I'm taking a bit of a vacation.

I’d say driving is like riding a bike... except I have way more accidents on my bike than in a car and all the cars in Europe have standard transmissions so there is way more to remember.  But hooray for a vacation!! I hope it is lovely and the weather is kind. Where do your parents live? (My parents live in a rural suburb north of Atlanta. It is not lovely.)
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« Reply #147 on: April 08, 2021, 10:37:52 am »

I'm trying to come up with a list of potentially evil dwarf characters but all I can think of is Mini Me and that tiny dude in Elf. Any more?
Do you think people have intentionally submitted evil charcters?
Red Dwarf? Not evil as far as I know, but surely red.

I forget, as this is Mafia and not codenames we are allowed to web search. Then again, I'm going to try not to take this game too seriously, so I probably won't be doing that much research into dwarfians.
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« Reply #148 on: April 08, 2021, 10:39:39 am »

Actually, I agree with faust.

vote: Awaclus

That vote still doesn't make any sense.
It's a different vote.
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« Reply #149 on: April 08, 2021, 10:44:10 am »

And hi everyone. I've played with a few of you before. faust, Swowl, Awaclus, EFHW, Didds, I think that's all.


It’s great to see you fang! How are things in your neck of the woods? My favorite fang anecdote is your daughter making mcmcmcmc sounds (that’s a fang anecdote, right? I think so, but memory is shaky with avatar names for real people...)
It is. At least it was. She doesn't anymore, being 4 rather than 1 now.
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« Reply #150 on: April 08, 2021, 10:45:54 am »

Galzria (1): Awaclus

This is a pretty promising and towny wagon, I think I'm going to join it too!

Vote: Galzria
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« Reply #151 on: April 08, 2021, 10:47:37 am »

@Didds. Why are you voting for EFHW?
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« Reply #152 on: April 08, 2021, 10:47:43 am »

And hi everyone. I've played with a few of you before. faust, Swowl, Awaclus, EFHW, Didds, I think that's all.


It’s great to see you fang! How are things in your neck of the woods? My favorite fang anecdote is your daughter making mcmcmcmc sounds (that’s a fang anecdote, right? I think so, but memory is shaky with avatar names for real people...)
It is. At least it was. She doesn't anymore, being 4 rather than 1 now.
Ah yes, real people. It is easy to forget they are there behind the avatars. This neck of the woods is good. I moved house and there are more woods.

What are these "real people" you are speaking of? "People" are only 2D forms, visible via screens, duh.
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« Reply #153 on: April 08, 2021, 10:50:23 am »

And hi everyone. I've played with a few of you before. faust, Swowl, Awaclus, EFHW, Didds, I think that's all.


It’s great to see you fang! How are things in your neck of the woods? My favorite fang anecdote is your daughter making mcmcmcmc sounds (that’s a fang anecdote, right? I think so, but memory is shaky with avatar names for real people...)
It is. At least it was. She doesn't anymore, being 4 rather than 1 now.
Ah yes, real people. It is easy to forget they are there behind the avatars. This neck of the woods is good. I moved house and there are more woods.

What are these "real people" you are speaking of? "People" are only 2D forms, visible via screens, duh.
I know one or two.
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« Reply #154 on: April 08, 2021, 11:10:05 am »

Vote: EFHW only because they haven't posted yet. I want to hear their beautiful voice.
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« Reply #155 on: April 08, 2021, 11:46:33 am »

He did not PINL MiX is Green = MiX is red.

How do you know red is scum? Vote: Galzria

I didn’t say scum is Red. I said MiX is Red.

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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #156 on: April 08, 2021, 11:48:57 am »

Vote: WCD

Here's the logic:

- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #157 on: April 08, 2021, 11:52:09 am »

- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil
What a good theory.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #158 on: April 08, 2021, 12:04:31 pm »

Vote: WCD

Here's the logic:

- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil

QED

This is a good theory.

Vote: pubby
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #159 on: April 08, 2021, 12:05:42 pm »

vote: scola
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #160 on: April 08, 2021, 12:16:46 pm »

This vote is anti-town.

vote: scola

I see, so you accidentally left out the vote from the former post!

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #161 on: April 08, 2021, 12:22:56 pm »

@Didds. Why are you voting for EFHW?

I tunneled her all game in the one that just concluded (conference call) and we lost so hard.  Not just because of me, but I wasn't really helping matters at all. Mea culpa.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #162 on: April 08, 2021, 12:24:19 pm »

This vote is anti-town.

vote: scola

I see, so you accidentally left out the vote from the former post!

I know almost 1.5 jokes.

No - see the former post, you’ll find the vote there:

vote: scola

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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #163 on: April 08, 2021, 12:43:04 pm »

Vote Count 1.1

MiX (1): Galzria
Joth (1): WestCoastDidds
Galzria (1): Awaclus
faust (1): mathdude
Awaclus (1): infangthief
Brightgalrs (1): Jimmmmm

Not voting: faust, pubby, Swowl, Brightgalrs, EFHW, scolapasta
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah

I did not see PINL.  How can I trust the vote counts?  And how can I believe that MiX isn't playing.

Not playing: MiX, jotheonah
So everyone else is playing?

Exile all lurkers!

Vote: Ozle

So... who's Ozle?

Also, I see that policy voting is somewhat frowned upon (from reading other games)... but I still think Exiling lurkers is a good idea, absent of other reads.  How can we read them if they don't post much?  Easy way for Scum to hide.  I'm all for voting out people who don't post much, especially early game before we have more information.  If they are Town, they aren't helping us by not posting much.  If they are Scum, they are hiding and hoping we don't notice.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #164 on: April 08, 2021, 12:45:42 pm »

Vote: WCD

Here's the logic:

- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil

QED

Nope! 100% NOT EVIL!  PINL

Was Rumpelstilskin a dwarf? Pubby might be Rumplestilskin. If we all say his name do we win??
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #165 on: April 08, 2021, 12:47:42 pm »

Ozle is one of the OG folks, I think. I have never encountered him.

Who is lurking? Is it just EFHW?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #166 on: April 08, 2021, 12:51:53 pm »

Did Ozle ever play Mafia? I remember him from the Dominion side of the forum.

As a tribute to him:

Who is lurking?

Is it Moat?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #167 on: April 08, 2021, 12:53:19 pm »

Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #168 on: April 08, 2021, 12:54:34 pm »

Didn't Ozle do treasure hunts and stuff?  What is faust trying to tell us?  Is he guarding a treasure??
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #169 on: April 08, 2021, 12:55:28 pm »

Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.

I hope you don't get modkilled.  He already killed MiX.  One is enough.  Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #170 on: April 08, 2021, 01:07:36 pm »

Ozle did everything.

Dominion one turn puzzles, treasure hunts, mafia... all the good stuff!

Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.

I hope you don't get modkilled.  He already killed MiX.  One is enough.  Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???

I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.

But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.

You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #171 on: April 08, 2021, 01:12:43 pm »

Ozle did everything.

Dominion one turn puzzles, treasure hunts, mafia... all the good stuff!

Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.

I hope you don't get modkilled.  He already killed MiX.  One is enough.  Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???

I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.

But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.

You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.

Vote: scolapasta

I was told it's what Good Dwarves do. But what do Good Dwarfs do?

Vote: Galzria
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #172 on: April 08, 2021, 01:21:49 pm »

Ozle did everything.

Dominion one turn puzzles, treasure hunts, mafia... all the good stuff!

Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.

I hope you don't get modkilled.  He already killed MiX.  One is enough.  Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???

I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.

But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.

You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.

Vote: scolapasta

I was told it's what Good Dwarves do. But what do Good Dwarfs do?

Vote: Galzria

A Good Dwarf doesn’t need to ask what Good Dwarves do.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #173 on: April 08, 2021, 03:10:07 pm »

I also don't think that flavor indicates alignment because my dwarf should probably have been a bad dwarf if you go by flavor, but I'm good!
Good at playing the game, good in terms of alignment, or good as in feeling well?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #174 on: April 08, 2021, 03:20:14 pm »

Ozle did everything.

Dominion one turn puzzles, treasure hunts, mafia... all the good stuff!

Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.

I hope you don't get modkilled.  He already killed MiX.  One is enough.  Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???

I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.

But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.

You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.

Vote: scolapasta

I was told it's what Good Dwarves do. But what do Good Dwarfs do?

Vote: Galzria

A Good Dwarf doesn’t need to ask what Good Dwarves do.
He didn't. He asked what Good Dwarfs do.

You provided the information about what Good Dwarves do entirely unsolicited. Now, if, as you say, that information is not needed by a Good Dwarf, did you provide it to help a Bad Dwarf?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #175 on: April 08, 2021, 04:15:45 pm »

Ozle did everything.

Dominion one turn puzzles, treasure hunts, mafia... all the good stuff!

Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.

I hope you don't get modkilled.  He already killed MiX.  One is enough.  Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???

I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.

But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.

You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.

Vote: scolapasta

I was told it's what Good Dwarves do. But what do Good Dwarfs do?

Vote: Galzria

A Good Dwarf doesn’t need to ask what Good Dwarves do.
He didn't. He asked what Good Dwarfs do.

You provided the information about what Good Dwarves do entirely unsolicited. Now, if, as you say, that information is not needed by a Good Dwarf, did you provide it to help a Bad Dwarf?

I stand corrected on Dwarves vs Dwarfs. Entirely my fault.

As for offering advice to Bad Dwarf's, it's entirely possible that I did. Do you think that WCD is a Bad Dwarf? My advice, while unsolicited, was entirely pro-town.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #176 on: April 08, 2021, 04:34:44 pm »

What does WCD have to do with it?
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« Reply #177 on: April 08, 2021, 04:55:00 pm »

What does WCD have to do with it?

I was encouraging them to join me in exiling you.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #178 on: April 08, 2021, 04:58:48 pm »

What does WCD have to do with it?

I was encouraging them to join me in exiling you.

I'm not sure how that answers my question.

(I assume, by "them", you mean infangthief, so I ask again what does WCD have to do with anything?)
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #179 on: April 08, 2021, 04:59:46 pm »

Ozle did everything.

Dominion one turn puzzles, treasure hunts, mafia... all the good stuff!

Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.

I hope you don't get modkilled.  He already killed MiX.  One is enough.  Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???

I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.

But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.

You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.

By them, I meant WCD, as per the original conversation here.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #180 on: April 08, 2021, 05:09:02 pm »

Ozle did everything.

Dominion one turn puzzles, treasure hunts, mafia... all the good stuff!

Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.

I hope you don't get modkilled.  He already killed MiX.  One is enough.  Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???

I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.

But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.

You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.

By them, I meant WCD, as per the original conversation here.


OK, I get it now. Sorry for the noise.

Still not sure why you'd vote for me, though.
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« Reply #181 on: April 08, 2021, 05:16:28 pm »

KSHSSSHHSHSHSHSSHH

Sorry for the noise.

Me too.
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« Reply #182 on: April 08, 2021, 05:39:12 pm »

KSHSSSHHSHSHSHSSHH

Sorry for the noise.

Me too.

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« Reply #183 on: April 08, 2021, 05:41:22 pm »

Ozle did everything.

Dominion one turn puzzles, treasure hunts, mafia... all the good stuff!

Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.

I hope you don't get modkilled.  He already killed MiX.  One is enough.  Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???

I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.

But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.

You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.

What ever happens to Ozle?

Scola? Really? But he’s got noodles as part of his name and noodles are awesome
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #184 on: April 08, 2021, 05:44:56 pm »

Is Awaclus a VSCO girl? I think so!

Almost. I'm a vscode man.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #185 on: April 08, 2021, 06:02:29 pm »

Ozle did everything.

Dominion one turn puzzles, treasure hunts, mafia... all the good stuff!

Oh ShiT, I broke the rules about spoiler tags. If I get modkilled over it, I hope Ozle appreciates that tribute properly.

I hope you don't get modkilled.  He already killed MiX.  One is enough.  Unless Joth is the one who is truly evil???

I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.

But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.

You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.

By them, I meant WCD, as per the original conversation here.


OK, I get it now. Sorry for the noise.

Still not sure why you'd vote for me, though.

Because you’re a Bad Dwarf.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #186 on: April 08, 2021, 06:12:25 pm »

Ozle did everything.

Ah, it seems like he did play Mafia but that was before I got into it, which explains why I don't remember it.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #187 on: April 09, 2021, 12:44:43 am »

Swowl thinks that he needs to apologize to his friends for not being around today. Swowl feels the need to let them know he was getting his Vaccine (yay) and then was at work all day. Swowl thinks of how he will try harder tomorrow.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #188 on: April 09, 2021, 03:32:51 am »

I stand corrected on Dwarves vs Dwarfs. Entirely my fault.

As for offering advice to Bad Dwarf's, it's entirely possible that I did. Do you think that WCD is a Bad Dwarf? My advice, while unsolicited, was entirely pro-town.

No idea on Didds. I hadn't really registered you were talking to her specifically.
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« Reply #189 on: April 09, 2021, 03:41:31 am »

Prod request: EFHW The game is afoot.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #190 on: April 09, 2021, 03:52:11 am »

Because you’re a Bad Dwarf.

That's a good case.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #191 on: April 09, 2021, 05:25:52 am »

Vote: WCD

Here's the logic:

- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil

QED

Nope! 100% NOT EVIL!  PINL

Was Rumpelstilskin a dwarf? Pubby might be Rumplestilskin. If we all say his name do we win??
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #192 on: April 09, 2021, 06:52:40 am »

There seems to be a whole lot of nothing going on here. I get that it's D1, RVS... but at least give something to engage with discussions, rather than a vote with nothing else! (This is more of a generic comment, not a specific response to a single post).

Swowl thinks that he needs to apologize to his friends for not being around today. Swowl feels the need to let them know he was getting his Vaccine (yay) and then was at work all day. Swowl thinks of how he will try harder tomorrow.

I was wondering what happened to you. I wondered if we would ever see the results of that MathdudeLivesMatter sign you were starting. But really... you went to the tavern, then disappeared. I was afraid you got drunk then passed out.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #193 on: April 09, 2021, 08:37:02 am »

@Didds. Why are you voting for EFHW?

I tunneled her all game in the one that just concluded (conference call) and we lost so hard.  Not just because of me, but I wasn't really helping matters at all. Mea culpa.

And you're repeating it this game so that we know you must be town again?
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« Reply #194 on: April 09, 2021, 08:43:10 am »

@Didds. Why are you voting for EFHW?

I tunneled her all game in the one that just concluded (conference call) and we lost so hard.  Not just because of me, but I wasn't really helping matters at all. Mea culpa.

And you're repeating it this game so that we know you must be town again?

I’m always freaking town. Like crazy luck always town. But I was repeating it just because you asked. It was really an RVS vote because she hasn’t shown up.

I don’t have a real vote yet....maybe faust for fishing for info
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #195 on: April 09, 2021, 08:57:51 am »

I don’t have a real vote yet....maybe faust for fishing for info
Because it's so scummy trying to figure out what people's alignments are!
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #196 on: April 09, 2021, 08:58:48 am »

Ok, I think I've got some of the roles figured out.

So Swowl has a posting restriction and has to always be third person narrator.

EFHW has a posting restriction and has to never post anything.

MiX has a playing restriction.

Didds has a fishing restriction.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #197 on: April 09, 2021, 09:02:42 am »

I thought there's something weird going on with Jimmmmm as well.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #198 on: April 09, 2021, 09:18:24 am »

I don’t have a real vote yet....maybe faust for fishing for info
Because it's so scummy trying to figure out what people's alignments are!

Asking for qt info is not the same as trying to figure out what alignments are!
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #199 on: April 09, 2021, 09:18:48 am »

I thought there's something weird going on with Jimmmmm as well.

Definitely! Unless he really doesn’t like pickles...
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« Reply #200 on: April 09, 2021, 09:35:34 am »

I thought there's something weird going on with Jimmmmm as well.

Definitely! Unless he really doesn’t like pickles...
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #201 on: April 09, 2021, 09:40:57 am »

Hmmmmm let's try something.

@Jimmmmm, can you answer this question for me?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #202 on: April 09, 2021, 09:43:09 am »

Maybe EFHW is Sleepy (of the 7 Dwarves) and falls asleep every other day.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #203 on: April 09, 2021, 09:50:45 am »

Wake up: EFHW
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« Reply #204 on: April 09, 2021, 09:53:51 am »

Brightgalrs is town. Especially if that works.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #205 on: April 09, 2021, 09:57:10 am »

Brightgalrs is town. Especially if that works.
I'm just guessing, it has nothing to do with my role.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #206 on: April 09, 2021, 09:58:20 am »

Maybe EFHW is Sleepy (of the 7 Dwarves) and falls asleep every other day.

Or maybe Dopey? From a wiki, "Dopey is the only dwarf who doesn't speak, and instead communicates through pantomime". Not sure how you pantomime in a forum?
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« Reply #207 on: April 09, 2021, 10:09:19 am »

Maybe EFHW is Sleepy (of the 7 Dwarves) and falls asleep every other day.

Or maybe Dopey? From a wiki, "Dopey is the only dwarf who doesn't speak, and instead communicates through pantomime". Not sure how you pantomime in a forum?

I now know more about Dopey than ever before.
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« Reply #208 on: April 09, 2021, 10:17:15 am »

Prodded already? I swear I checked yesterday and it was still N0. Sorry, I'll catch up.
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« Reply #209 on: April 09, 2021, 10:28:44 am »

Prodded already? I swear I checked yesterday and it was still N0. Sorry, I'll catch up.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - NIGHT ZERO
« Reply #210 on: April 09, 2021, 10:54:29 am »

Sorry, this is going to be long!  I'm finally on the laptop and able to track my thoughts a bit better.

The brighty/ pubby pair is powerful!! Beware!

Thanks for the heads-up... I haven't played with either before.

I never tag, but something told me I should post once in this thread.

What told you to post in the thread?  The fact that you're actually in this game?  Joth hasn't PINL that you're not in the game!

Most of the gamer dudes are going to have picked obscure dwarves I’ve never heard of. My not gamer friendlies will have chosen Disney dwarves or other popular culture ones like LoTR and whatnot.

I am the most obvious dwarf, or maybe second most obvious dwarf had I been thinking about it more.

Well, since I'm not a "gamer dude" (even though "dude" is in "mathdude") - are you making an assumption about the character I picked?

Also, are you trying to tell us who you picked?  Is it helpful for us to know?  Anyone who knows Didds, what would be the "most obvious dwarf, or maybe second most obvious dwarf"?

MiX has been modkilled. He was Not Playing.

Why did you have to kill MiX? Turned up green - we could have used one more Town player.

He did not PINL MiX is not playing = MiX IS playing.
He did not PINL his Modkill was real = MiX is alive.
He did not PINL MiX is Green = MiX is red.

MiX also dodged my question on why he’s not scum this game.
Join me in exiling MiX.

This is reasonable logic.  If we do end up heading towards a no-exile, I will switch my vote over to help you exile MiX to make sure he's not in this game!

I'm trying to come up with a list of potentially evil dwarf characters but all I can think of is Mini Me and that tiny dude in Elf. Any more?

So... come up with a list of evil names, then ask everyone to flavour-claim, and use that to choose who to vote for?  Seems like you should have kept this list secret until after the flavour-claim.  Or are you Scum, giving advice to other Scum not to claim their evil dwarf names if/when you do ask us all to claim?

Also I have it on good authority that not PINL != PIL.

And what is this good authority?  Did Joth actually confirm to you with PINL?  Or are you making it up for your own nefarious purposes?

Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?

Did you get yours with PINL?

Oh that's right, Mafia. I've decided to swear off RVS and vote only when I mean it. Vote: Brightgalrs

Right now, those statements contradict each other to me... no RVS generally means there's a reason, but you give no reason.  I don't know you or Bright... so why do you have a reason to vote Bright?

I don't have any pets.
You could get a cat. Cats are awesome.

But I've never liked pickles.

Is there a history here that I don't know about?  Or is this a weird part of your role?



Please tell me that we get fun memes with every vote count (and you better PINL your response!)

Galzria (1): Awaclus

This is a pretty promising and towny wagon, I think I'm going to join it too!

Vote: Galzria

I would say this looks odd, and ash-like.  But I get the feeling (with my limited exposure to your posts) that this is Awaclus-like too.

This is a pretty promising and towny wagon, I think I'm going to join it too!

Vote: Galzria
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vote: Galzria

However, this looks really scummy to me.  Ride along behind Awaclus?

- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil
What a good theory.

Ok, I'm starting to see that Bright-pubby combination mentioned earlier (first quote of this post, I believe)... are they always playing off each other?  Should I keep a closer eye on this?

Vote: WCD

Here's the logic:

- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil

QED

This is a good theory.

Vote: pubby

Pasta, are you defending Didds?

Nope! 100% NOT EVIL!  PINL

This is scummy.  Needing to say you're not evil is a scum-tell in my experience.

I still stand by the idea that he did NOT kill MiX.

But Scola is a better place to find scum than MiX.

You should join me in exiling Scola. It’s what Good Dwarves do.

Vote: scolapasta

I was told it's what Good Dwarves do. But what do Good Dwarfs do?

Vote: Galzria

There's something weird going on here.  I'm just flagging it for my own future reference - some interaction that I'm going to keep an eye on.

A Good Dwarf doesn’t need to ask what Good Dwarves do.
He didn't. He asked what Good Dwarfs do.

You provided the information about what Good Dwarves do entirely unsolicited. Now, if, as you say, that information is not needed by a Good Dwarf, did you provide it to help a Bad Dwarf?

... and it continues.  (Again, just collecting these ideas, more for my future reference, but also so others can help me learn whether interactions like this are common for these pairs or whether this is something that stands out).

I stand corrected on Dwarves vs Dwarfs. Entirely my fault.

As for offering advice to Bad Dwarf's, it's entirely possible that I did. Do you think that WCD is a Bad Dwarf? My advice, while unsolicited, was entirely pro-town.

Do you think WCD is a Bad Dwarf?

Also, as I mentioned earlier about Didds... saying that your post was "entirely pro-town" really looks like a scum-tell to me.  Why do you feel the need to highlight your own "Towniness"?

@Didds. Why are you voting for EFHW?

I tunneled her all game in the one that just concluded (conference call) and we lost so hard.  Not just because of me, but I wasn't really helping matters at all. Mea culpa.

And you're repeating it this game so that we know you must be town again?

I didn't notice this in Didds's quoted statements there.  But are you reading "I'm Town... see, I'm Town" vibes?  Or are you trying to help Didds prove they are Town?


PPE... I think 12 new posts it says?  I'm post this now and I'll go look at them shortly.
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« Reply #211 on: April 09, 2021, 11:02:35 am »

And what is this good authority?  Did Joth actually confirm to you with PINL?
Yes. Well, more or less. It's has to do with my role, so excuse me for not going into more detail.

Did you get yours with PINL?
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« Reply #212 on: April 09, 2021, 11:07:15 am »

And what is this good authority?  Did Joth actually confirm to you with PINL?
Yes. Well, more or less. It's has to do with my role, so excuse me for not going into more detail.

Did you get yours with PINL?
No I didn't.

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« Reply #213 on: April 09, 2021, 11:11:54 am »

Brightgalrs is town. Especially if that works.
I'm just guessing, it has nothing to do with my role.

Or does it and you just want to hide info from us?

Maybe EFHW is Sleepy (of the 7 Dwarves) and falls asleep every other day.

Or maybe Dopey? From a wiki, "Dopey is the only dwarf who doesn't speak, and instead communicates through pantomime". Not sure how you pantomime in a forum?

I now know more about Dopey than ever before.

Same here.  Granted, it's been a LOOONG time since I've seen the movie, but I didn't remember he didn't talk.

And what is this good authority?  Did Joth actually confirm to you with PINL?
Yes. Well, more or less. It's has to do with my role, so excuse me for not going into more detail.

You are excused... while I also keep an eye on you.  Hiding info - either pro-Town if it would help Scum to know you, or pro-Scum if you don't want us to know the truth about what you can do because it's a Scum power.  Obviously I have no idea which yet, but I'll be watching you.

And what is this good authority?  Did Joth actually confirm to you with PINL?
Yes. Well, more or less. It's has to do with my role, so excuse me for not going into more detail.

Did you get yours with PINL?
No I didn't.

Oh, this is spicy!! Are our role posts lies?!

Interesting.  Is Joth forgetting PINL at times when he should use it?  Or is faust lying about "not PINL = PIL"?
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« Reply #214 on: April 09, 2021, 11:34:32 am »

Interesting.  Is Joth forgetting PINL at times when he should use it?  Or is faust lying about "not PINL = PIL"?
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« Reply #215 on: April 09, 2021, 11:34:56 am »

Maybe not a codedude.
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« Reply #216 on: April 09, 2021, 11:35:34 am »

\not PINL \neq PIL
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #217 on: April 09, 2021, 11:36:53 am »

Vote Count 1.2



Galzria (2): infangthief, scolapasta
faust (1): mathdude
Brightgalrs (1): Jimmmmm
EFHW (3): WestCoastDidds, Brightgalrs
WestCoastDidds (2): pubby, faust
scolapasta (2): Galzria, Awaclus

Not voting: Swowl, EFHW
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah, Ozle


EFHW has been prodded.

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« Reply #218 on: April 09, 2021, 11:37:02 am »

Interesting.  Is Joth forgetting PINL at times when he should use it?  Or is faust lying about "not PINL = PIL"?
What? I wrote "!=", not "=". I thought you were a mathdude!

Ok, I'm getting it now.  You were trying to make a "not equal" sign?  Makes more sense now!

Also, before I forget... between pasta defending Didds, and Didds saying "100% not scum, PINL", I'm going to
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« Reply #219 on: April 09, 2021, 11:38:01 am »

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« Reply #220 on: April 09, 2021, 11:39:42 am »

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #221 on: April 09, 2021, 11:41:41 am »

It's not me
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« Reply #222 on: April 09, 2021, 11:43:03 am »

I mean that wouldn't prove anything. You'd have to vote for someone else.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #223 on: April 09, 2021, 11:44:36 am »

Joth (1): WestCoastDidds
(From the first vote count)

I mean that wouldn't prove anything. You'd have to vote for someone else.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #224 on: April 09, 2021, 12:47:37 pm »

Let's get this cleared up
Can I Request vote count?

Also I was inspired by mathdude's du and de and made this:
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #225 on: April 09, 2021, 12:57:19 pm »

Maybe EFHW is Sleepy (of the 7 Dwarves) and falls asleep every other day.

Or maybe Dopey? From a wiki, "Dopey is the only dwarf who doesn't speak, and instead communicates through pantomime". Not sure how you pantomime in a forum?

When I'm not sleeping, I've been pantomiming. Do you mean to say no one could see me?

People who have been around awhile should be able to guess which tiny person I picked.
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« Reply #226 on: April 09, 2021, 01:05:26 pm »

Because you’re a Bad Dwarf.

That's a good case.

Vote: scolapasta

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« Reply #227 on: April 09, 2021, 01:08:47 pm »

Let's get this cleared up
Can I Request vote count?

You can
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« Reply #228 on: April 09, 2021, 01:36:21 pm »

Because you’re a Bad Dwarf.

That's a good case.

Vote: scolapasta

I know the drill, but I still gotta ask: why?

You're a Bad Dwarf (Galzria, 2021).

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« Reply #229 on: April 09, 2021, 01:40:29 pm »

Because you’re a Bad Dwarf.

That's a good case.

Vote: scolapasta

I know the drill, but I still gotta ask: why?

You're a Bad Dwarf (Galzria, 2021).

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #230 on: April 09, 2021, 02:33:55 pm »

Swowl searches his nap sack and grabs a piece of paper with secret information on it. After double checking, he realizes his PM also does not contain PINL... though he is skeptical of whether that matter or not.

He ponders on the most previous VC and wonders why EFHW has more votes listed for them then should be.

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« Reply #231 on: April 09, 2021, 03:07:24 pm »

So are you some kind of super nerdy dwarf? 🤓

I don't think so. Independently of my dwarf, I am somewhat nerdy I guess.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #232 on: April 09, 2021, 03:22:12 pm »

Oh! M&M are a delightful treat! But what what does he mean he doesn’t like pickles??

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« Reply #233 on: April 09, 2021, 03:41:17 pm »

I have an idea who Swowl might be - not sure if it's pro or anti town to say more than that.
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« Reply #234 on: April 09, 2021, 03:43:09 pm »

I have an idea who Swowl might be - not sure if it's pro or anti town to say more than that.

If you have an idea who Swowl might be, based on the information that is publicly available, scum can figure it out too. You might as well post it.
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« Reply #235 on: April 09, 2021, 03:44:02 pm »

This is a pretty promising and towny wagon, I think I'm going to join it too!

Vote: Galzria
^^

vote: Galzria

However, this looks really scummy to me.  Ride along behind Awaclus?
I'm happy to join a wagon if someone sells it to me.
On that note, more people should join this Galzria wagon. It's got pasta on it.


@Didds. Why are you voting for EFHW?

I tunneled her all game in the one that just concluded (conference call) and we lost so hard.  Not just because of me, but I wasn't really helping matters at all. Mea culpa.

And you're repeating it this game so that we know you must be town again?

I didn't notice this in Didds's quoted statements there.  But are you reading "I'm Town... see, I'm Town" vibes?  Or are you trying to help Didds prove they are Town?

Ok, I think I've been misunderstood twice now so I'd better clarify. By "repeating", I meant repeating the behaviour of voting for EFHW.
And it's the first of your options. Do something as town one game. Next game well that seems a good place to start, hoping people will notice. Isn't that so Didds?

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« Reply #236 on: April 09, 2021, 03:45:34 pm »

Vote: Galzria
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« Reply #237 on: April 09, 2021, 03:47:41 pm »

And what is this good authority?  Did Joth actually confirm to you with PINL?
Yes. Well, more or less. It's has to do with my role, so excuse me for not going into more detail.

Did you get yours with PINL?
No I didn't.

Oh, this is spicy!! Are our role posts lies?!
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« Reply #238 on: April 09, 2021, 03:57:23 pm »

Let's get this cleared up
Can I Request vote count?

Also I was inspired by mathdude's du and de and made this:

Excellent.

Ok, is this vote count something BMish, or is it just, Joth, is the number of votes for EFHW correct there?
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« Reply #239 on: April 09, 2021, 03:59:51 pm »

Swowl stands up, remembering he has grammaphobia - specific to the letter M.

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« Reply #240 on: April 09, 2021, 04:16:33 pm »

I have an idea who Swowl might be - not sure if it's pro or anti town to say more than that.

Swowl ponders on Pastas stance. And while he in unable to come up with a reason why it would be harmful... he feels in his heart it is probably best to not say anything unless there is an upside to it.
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« Reply #241 on: April 09, 2021, 04:18:56 pm »

Swowl stands up, remembering he has grammaphobia - specific to the letter M.

Vote: Jimmmmmmm
@Swowl, can Swowl vote while sitting down?

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« Reply #242 on: April 09, 2021, 04:19:48 pm »

Swowl bops himself in the head with his hand... wishing he said owl instead of pigeon...
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« Reply #243 on: April 09, 2021, 04:21:16 pm »

I have an idea who Swowl might be - not sure if it's pro or anti town to say more than that.

Swowl ponders on Pastas stance. And while he in unable to come up with a reason why it would be harmful... he feels in his heart it is probably best to not say anything unless there is an upside to it.


It's also possible I'm completely wrong - it's really just a hunch. I also don't think it gives any clue to whether swowl is good or bad. So sure, I can keep it to myself for now.

PPE: ok, now I'm significantly less confident. Though have new ideas too. :)
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« Reply #244 on: April 09, 2021, 04:31:58 pm »

No idea who Swowl's character is, but they are certainly entertaining.

Let's hope I'm in the same fictional world as Swowl, or else the pigeon will have a hard time.
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« Reply #245 on: April 09, 2021, 04:40:55 pm »

I think this is where we are at:

Galzria (2):, scolapasta, Awaclus
Brightgairs (1): Jimmmmm
WestCoastDidds (4): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief
scolapasta (1): Galzria
Jimmmm (2): Swowl, WCD
Pubby (1): brightgairs

Not voting: EFHW

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« Reply #246 on: April 09, 2021, 04:48:13 pm »


@Didds. Why are you voting for EFHW?

I tunneled her all game in the one that just concluded (conference call) and we lost so hard.  Not just because of me, but I wasn't really helping matters at all. Mea culpa.

And you're repeating it this game so that we know you must be town again?

I didn't notice this in Didds's quoted statements there.  But are you reading "I'm Town... see, I'm Town" vibes?  Or are you trying to help Didds prove they are Town?

Ok, I think I've been misunderstood twice now so I'd better clarify. By "repeating", I meant repeating the behaviour of voting for EFHW.
And it's the first of your options. Do something as town one game. Next game well that seems a good place to start, hoping people will notice. Isn't that so Didds?

PPE: 3

You are projecting way more thought in to me than I deserve. It was a first vote for a person playing in the game and I was making fun of myself to EFHW as a way of apologizing for being awful. There is no way to prove I’m town short of me finding and exiling scum, so you seem to be holding me to some standard I can’t achieve.
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« Reply #247 on: April 10, 2021, 04:33:03 am »

There is no way to prove I’m town short of me finding and exiling scum, so you seem to be holding me to some standard I can’t achieve.
If you say so.

Shall we vote for Galzria then? I will if you will.
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« Reply #248 on: April 10, 2021, 08:09:55 am »

You could get a cat. Cats are awesome.

But I've never liked pickles.
Gerbils, all the way.

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« Reply #249 on: April 10, 2021, 08:48:39 am »

There is no way to prove I’m town short of me finding and exiling scum, so you seem to be holding me to some standard I can’t achieve.
If you say so.

Shall we vote for Galzria then? I will if you will.

I 100% think there is scum on my wagon. So, any of those folks are good choices. I’m not so sure about Galzy. Usually when he’s scum he gets kind of aggro toward someone, but he has not been as been as aggro as you have. So, I’m not quite sure why you want to work together.
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« Reply #250 on: April 10, 2021, 08:52:07 am »

Voting for Galzria is a great idea, a lot of super towny people such as myself are already doing it.
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« Reply #251 on: April 10, 2021, 09:36:43 am »

Voting for Galzria is a great idea, a lot of super towny people such as myself are already doing it.

What do you think about Jimmmmmmm?
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« Reply #252 on: April 10, 2021, 09:36:57 am »

@Didds, re aggro. Yes. I try not to be aggro, but I like being direct and when I do so it seems to end up coming across more aggressive than I mean. Sorry! I'll try and work on my peaceful directness (the opposite of passive aggression?)

You have much more experience of Galzria's mafia style than me, so it's good to have your opinion on that.

What do you think about pubby? I don't think I've even read a game that they were in.
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« Reply #253 on: April 10, 2021, 09:39:26 am »

That was PPE: 1 of course.

I was just about to say something about Jimmmmm, but I'll wait for Awaclus to answer first.
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« Reply #254 on: April 10, 2021, 11:10:32 am »

I 100% think there is scum on my wagon.
Why?
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« Reply #255 on: April 10, 2021, 11:33:23 am »

I 100% think there is scum on my wagon.
Why?

Because I know I’m a townie, and 4 players is a third of the pool. So, odds are good there is scum there.
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« Reply #256 on: April 10, 2021, 11:35:39 am »

@Didds, re aggro. Yes. I try not to be aggro, but I like being direct and when I do so it seems to end up coming across more aggressive than I mean. Sorry! I'll try and work on my peaceful directness (the opposite of passive aggression?)

You have much more experience of Galzria's mafia style than me, so it's good to have your opinion on that.

What do you think about pubby? I don't think I've even read a game that they were in.

Pubby often gets misexiled. I find him super hard to read because he doesn’t do much chitchat so I don’t have much of an idea of how he thinks and he plays fairly infrequently so I don’t have a bunch of accumulated experience. I think I remember him winning as scum once, though. I just don’t remember very well.
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« Reply #257 on: April 10, 2021, 11:50:28 am »

I 100% think there is scum on my wagon.
Why?

Because I know I’m a townie, and 4 players is a third of the pool. So, odds are good there is scum there.
Of course, but the odds are not 100%.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - NIGHT ZERO
« Reply #258 on: April 10, 2021, 12:52:49 pm »

I 100% think there is scum on my wagon.
Why?

Because I know I’m a townie, and 4 players is a third of the pool. So, odds are good there is scum there.
Of course, but the odds are not 100%.

True enough. So the odds are not 100%, but I still 100% think there is scum aboard my train
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #259 on: April 10, 2021, 03:09:27 pm »

Also, I see that policy voting is somewhat frowned upon (from reading other games)... but I still think Exiling lurkers is a good idea, absent of other reads.  How can we read them if they don't post much?  Easy way for Scum to hide.  I'm all for voting out people who don't post much, especially early game before we have more information.  If they are Town, they aren't helping us by not posting much.  If they are Scum, they are hiding and hoping we don't notice.

I thoroughly agree.

I wonder if there's any chance this mysterious extra vote on EFHW is because of going 24 hours without posting? That would be kind of cool. Maybe. Though harsh if real life happens.
Feels like Jimmmmm and pubby have been gone a long time too, will they turn up with an extra vote in the next count??
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #260 on: April 10, 2021, 03:53:57 pm »

Also, I see that policy voting is somewhat frowned upon (from reading other games)... but I still think Exiling lurkers is a good idea, absent of other reads.  How can we read them if they don't post much?  Easy way for Scum to hide.  I'm all for voting out people who don't post much, especially early game before we have more information.  If they are Town, they aren't helping us by not posting much.  If they are Scum, they are hiding and hoping we don't notice.

I thoroughly agree.

I wonder if there's any chance this mysterious extra vote on EFHW is because of going 24 hours without posting? That would be kind of cool. Maybe. Though harsh if real life happens.
Feels like Jimmmmm and pubby have been gone a long time too, will they turn up with an extra vote in the next count??

Maybe not so much the 24 hours as the prod request?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - NIGHT ZERO
« Reply #261 on: April 10, 2021, 04:16:47 pm »

Voting for Galzria is a great idea, a lot of super towny people such as myself are already doing it.

What do you think about Jimmmmmmm?

I don't really have an opinion about himmmmmm.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #262 on: April 10, 2021, 04:25:37 pm »

Policy exiling is not awful, because town should, in principle, be able to avoid it by not doing the thing that goes against the policy. It does have the problem that if the exilee flips town after all, it's a very uninformative town flip because nobody looks suspicious for participating in a policy exile, unlike normal exiles where scum has to commit to a fake scum read on someone they know is actually town.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #263 on: April 10, 2021, 05:44:59 pm »

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #264 on: April 10, 2021, 07:51:53 pm »


Hello miniature people of noble hearts. I am Count Vote. You wanted me?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #265 on: April 10, 2021, 08:34:52 pm »

Vote: WCD

Here's the logic:

- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil

QED

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #266 on: April 10, 2021, 08:40:28 pm »

Hmmmmm let's try something.

@Jimmmmm, can you answer this question for me?

Given that you've indicated that this is a question rather than a request, I'll interpret it to mean that you're asking if I'm able to to answer it, rather than asking me to answer it. My response: cookies.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #267 on: April 10, 2021, 10:17:47 pm »

Didds count

Galzria (2):, scolapasta, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmm
scolapasta (1): Galzria
Jimmmm (3): Swowl, WCD, EFHW
Pubby (1): brightgairs

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #268 on: April 10, 2021, 10:25:01 pm »

Vote: WCD

Here's the logic:

- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil

QED

Bad logic is bad. Vote: WCD

Yeah, because I can respond to that

I am not the happiest dwarf. So it all falls apart.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #269 on: April 10, 2021, 10:28:58 pm »

This game feels sluggish and stuck and not at all bastard (other than the complete lack of vote counts). What can we do to mix it up short of just exiling me?  Which is frustrating but it’s early so it’s gonna happen to someone. However, my role helps us maybe more than some others so I hope y’all can do some rethinking.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #270 on: April 10, 2021, 10:55:22 pm »

Didds count

Galzria (2):, scolapasta, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmm
scolapasta (1): Galzria
Jimmmm (3): Swowl, WCD, EFHW
Pubby (1): brightgairs

How the heck is Didds at 5 votes here?!?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #271 on: April 10, 2021, 11:16:05 pm »

Didds count

Galzria (2):, scolapasta, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmm
scolapasta (1): Galzria
Jimmmm (3): Swowl, WCD, EFHW
Pubby (1): brightgairs

How the heck is Didds at 5 votes here?!?

Yeah. That wagon is ridiculous.

Unvote

I still think you’re a Bad Dwarf (you made a post earlier that, to me, suggested you knew I was a Good Dwarf)... but math & fang are definitely in the scummiest spots on WCD’s wagon. Since it’s known Math won’t be exiled D1:

Vote: Fang
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« Reply #272 on: April 10, 2021, 11:16:53 pm »

I could be convinced to vote Jimmmmm, faust or Pubby.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #273 on: April 10, 2021, 11:29:46 pm »

Vote: WCD

Here's the logic:

- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil

QED

Bad logic is bad. Vote: WCD

I was expecting to see a pubby vote here, since it's his logic.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #274 on: April 11, 2021, 07:12:42 am »

Didds count

Galzria (2):, scolapasta, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmm
scolapasta (1): Galzria
Jimmmm (3): Swowl, WCD, EFHW
Pubby (1): brightgairs

How the heck is Didds at 5 votes here?!?

Yeah. That wagon is ridiculous.

Unvote

I still think you’re a Bad Dwarf (you made a post earlier that, to me, suggested you knew I was a Good Dwarf)... but math & fang are definitely in the scummiest spots on WCD’s wagon. Since it’s known Math won’t be exiled D1:

Vote: Fang

Good to have you back. I'll go and look at that scola-Galzria exchange again.

What do you think about Didds?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #275 on: April 11, 2021, 07:16:38 am »

Vote: WCD

Here's the logic:

- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil

QED

Bad logic is bad. Vote: WCD

I was expecting to see a pubby vote here, since it's his logic.

Yes, it does look weird.

Aside from his votes, Jimmmmm's posts seem to have contributed very little so far. And his wagon, aside from Didds, consists of people who have contributed very little so far.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #276 on: April 11, 2021, 07:55:13 am »

This game feels sluggish and stuck and not at all bastard (other than the complete lack of vote counts).

I agree with that. I don't really know what to expect from a BM game, are we (am I?) taking this all too seriously?

Swowl's posting style and the number of votes on EFHW are the only possible BM elements I have noticed. And yes, lack of vote counts. We could do with a Joth vote count. Deadline is Monday evening I believe.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #277 on: April 11, 2021, 09:33:15 am »

Vote Count 1.3



WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmmm
Jimmmmm (3): Swowl, WestCoastDidds, EFHW
Galzria (2): scolapasta, Awaclus
pubby (1): Brightgalrs
infangthief (1): Galzria
EFHW (1):

Not voting: no one
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah, Ozle


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There is nothing wrong with my vote counts, thank you very much.


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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #278 on: April 11, 2021, 10:33:29 am »

Hmmm, I had read the "you" there to be Didds, not me. But I guess it could be read either way.

Galz, who were you referring to there?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #279 on: April 11, 2021, 10:38:50 am »


There is nothing wrong with my vote counts, thank you very much.


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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #280 on: April 11, 2021, 10:39:20 am »

Vote: WCD
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #281 on: April 11, 2021, 10:39:37 am »

That is L-1.
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« Reply #282 on: April 11, 2021, 10:55:47 am »

Hmmm, I had read the "you" there to be Didds, not me. But I guess it could be read either way.

Galz, who were you referring to there?

I was referring to you.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #283 on: April 11, 2021, 11:03:24 am »

Didds count

Galzria (2):, scolapasta, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmm
scolapasta (1): Galzria
Jimmmm (3): Swowl, WCD, EFHW
Pubby (1): brightgairs

How the heck is Didds at 5 votes here?!?

Yeah. That wagon is ridiculous.

Unvote

I still think you’re a Bad Dwarf (you made a post earlier that, to me, suggested you knew I was a Good Dwarf)... but math & fang are definitely in the scummiest spots on WCD’s wagon. Since it’s known Math won’t be exiled D1:

Vote: Fang

Good to have you back. I'll go and look at that scola-Galzria exchange again.

What do you think about Didds?

I think there’s a 99% chance she chose Happy, and about a 10% chance Happy is a Bad Dwarf.

I think her wagon has gotten piled on because wagons are fun, and it’s a BM game so nobody cares quite that much. It definitely has a Bad Dwarf or two on it, but is probably largely a town wagon.

I think Fang & Math are the scummiest two on the wagon, followed by faust, then Jimmmmm, then pubby - in that order (Awaclus would fit between faust & Jimmmmm).
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #284 on: April 11, 2021, 11:05:44 am »

Geez, y’all.

Are we really going to exile me instead of people who are almost never here like pubby, brighty, EFHW and jimmm? The game will just be more sluggish and dull.

I’m annoyed that there is so little discussion of why folks are voting for me (esp. pubby and then Jkmmmm inexplicable retweet) and then the eagerness to just go along.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #285 on: April 11, 2021, 11:06:48 am »

I’m Doc. I have a nieighborhood with some of the other 7 dwarves.

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« Reply #286 on: April 11, 2021, 11:08:27 am »

I’m Doc. I have a nieighborhood with some of the other 7 dwarves.

I stand corrected on Dodd’s being Happy.

Doc? Really? Why Doc over Happy?
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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« Reply #287 on: April 11, 2021, 11:08:56 am »

I’m Doc. I have a nieighborhood with some of the other 7 dwarves.

I stand corrected on Didd’s being Happy.

Doc? Really? Why Doc over Happy?

EBWOP.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #288 on: April 11, 2021, 11:10:06 am »

Would it be beneficial to say who the other Dwarf’s are in your neighborhood?
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #289 on: April 11, 2021, 11:11:38 am »

Would it be beneficial to say who the other Dwarf’s are in your neighborhood?

or alternatively, how many?
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« Reply #290 on: April 11, 2021, 11:15:53 am »

Can flavor claims really matter? If they can, it should be beneficial to say how many people are in that neighborhood so that we know when all the 7dwarfs in the game have been claimed (assuming all of them are in the neighborhood, which is probably a reasonable assumption).
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #291 on: April 11, 2021, 11:16:18 am »

Because I am a doc! But, of course, not that kind of doctor says every PhD everywhere.

The neighborhood had three people, including me. We all know each other’s dwarf names
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« Reply #292 on: April 11, 2021, 11:18:41 am »

Vote: pubby
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #293 on: April 11, 2021, 11:20:56 am »

And actually Happy wouldn’t be a good fit for me. I’m a bit too cynical for that. If there was a dwarf named Friendly, that would be me.
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« Reply #294 on: April 11, 2021, 11:23:22 am »

Because I am a doc! But, of course, not that kind of doctor says every PhD everywhere.

The neighborhood had three people, including me. We all know each other’s dwarf names

Had? Is it closed now. Will it reopen?
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« Reply #295 on: April 11, 2021, 11:24:57 am »

Misspoke. It’s still open.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #296 on: April 11, 2021, 11:27:12 am »

Would it be beneficial to say who the other Dwarf’s are in your neighborhood?

I’m not sure what the benefit would be. We agreed that it wasn’t really a secret, but I’m not sure it’s my place to out them.

I do get the distinct impression that we’re the only representatives of the Seven Dwarves.
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« Reply #297 on: April 11, 2021, 11:42:23 am »

One more question, is it night only? (since you could otherwise discuss now what to share)?
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« Reply #298 on: April 11, 2021, 11:47:19 am »

One more question, is it night only? (since you could otherwise discuss now what to share)?

No, it’s always open. It has not been very active...
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #299 on: April 11, 2021, 11:59:05 am »

pubby (1): Brightgalrs
EFHW (1):
Ok so EFHW just has a standing vote. The question is when did that happen
The first vote count went like this:
MiX (1): Galzria
Joth (1): WestCoastDidds
Galzria (1): Awaclus
faust (1): mathdude
Awaclus (1): infangthief
Brightgalrs (1): Jimmmmm
So the extra vote was applied between the first and second count, meaning it was a day action that someone activated. And that timeframe was when both I and WestCoastDidds voted for EFHW. Something fishy there. Or... is this some extended rule I don't know about? like where being prodded makes you easier to exile for the rest of the day?

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #300 on: April 11, 2021, 12:27:58 pm »

Can flavor claims really matter? If they can, it should be beneficial to say how many people are in that neighborhood so that we know when all the 7dwarfs in the game have been claimed (assuming all of them are in the neighborhood, which is probably a reasonable assumption).
They can matter to the extent that flavor will probably be related to role powers. So Didds being Doc... well, you get the idea.

I think it would be beneficial to learn the names of all of the 7 dwarfs.
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« Reply #301 on: April 11, 2021, 12:28:38 pm »

I would also like a full claim from Didds.
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« Reply #302 on: April 11, 2021, 01:07:28 pm »

I think it would be beneficial to learn the names of all of the 7 dwarfs.

They're Doc, Grumpy, Happy, Sleepy, Bashful, Sneezy and Dopey.



But in all seriousness, why would that be beneficial? We would have a better idea what kinds of abilities might exist in the game, but scum would too and that info is probably more useful to scum. I don't think knowing the exact names helps prevent fake claims substantially more than just knowing the number does.
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« Reply #303 on: April 11, 2021, 01:08:56 pm »

On the other hand, I guess it's possible and not super unlikely that scum is already in the neighborhood and therefore knows the names anyway. It might be beneficial after all.
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« Reply #304 on: April 11, 2021, 01:28:40 pm »

I'm in a neighborhood too but we only have daychat. It's unrelated to my role - I was invited in the middle of D1 by another player.
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« Reply #305 on: April 11, 2021, 01:49:45 pm »


Jimmmmm has not been prodded. Please do not abuse the prod function.


I was not trying to abuse the prod function.

The Rules:
The Rest:
6. Players may request prods on other players if they have not posted in 24 hours. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.


You could get a cat. Cats are awesome.

But I've never liked pickles.

Requesting:
prod: Jimmmmm
(Doing just one to test).

As far as I can see, it was more than 48 hours from Jimmmm's previous post to my prod request.  Then he posted a few hours after my request (before the vote count):

Vote: WCD

Here's the logic:

- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil

QED

Bad logic is bad. Vote: WCD

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #306 on: April 11, 2021, 02:04:28 pm »

Can flavor claims really matter? If they can, it should be beneficial to say how many people are in that neighborhood so that we know when all the 7dwarfs in the game have been claimed (assuming all of them are in the neighborhood, which is probably a reasonable assumption).
They can matter to the extent that flavor will probably be related to role powers. So Didds being Doc... well, you get the idea.

I think it would be beneficial to learn the names of all of the 7 dwarfs.

They can tell you if they want it to be known

The flavor names definitely have something to do with our abilities, as far as I can tell
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« Reply #307 on: April 11, 2021, 02:13:25 pm »

But in all seriousness, why would that be beneficial? We would have a better idea what kinds of abilities might exist in the game, but scum would too and that info is probably more useful to scum. I don't think knowing the exact names helps prevent fake claims substantially more than just knowing the number does.
Well, I find it unlikely that all the dwarfs are town, so chances are scum already knows.
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« Reply #308 on: April 11, 2021, 02:13:48 pm »

On the other hand, I guess it's possible and not super unlikely that scum is already in the neighborhood and therefore knows the names anyway. It might be beneficial after all.
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« Reply #309 on: April 11, 2021, 02:50:28 pm »

They can tell you if they want it to be known

The flavor names definitely have something to do with our abilities, as far as I can tell

I think the point is to reveal the flavor names without revealing what players they map to.
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« Reply #310 on: April 11, 2021, 02:54:00 pm »

What if they're all scum and it's just the scum QT?!?
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« Reply #311 on: April 11, 2021, 03:15:48 pm »

I think it would be beneficial to learn the names of all of the 7 dwarfs.

They're Doc, Grumpy, Happy, Sleepy, Bashful, Sneezy and Dopey.



But in all seriousness,
In all seriousness, that's what I assumed faust meant. Now I am unclear what he means.
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« Reply #312 on: April 11, 2021, 03:20:02 pm »

Looking back now that I'm on laptop (instead of phone) to some posts I've skipped over while on phone.

There is no way to prove I’m town short of me finding and exiling scum, so you seem to be holding me to some standard I can’t achieve.
If you say so.

Shall we vote for Galzria then? I will if you will.

I'm happy leaving my vote on Didds at this point, but this interaction between fang and Didds is starting to catch my attention (I think I've got a couple more quotes from them coming up).

I 100% think there is scum on my wagon. So, any of those folks are good choices. I’m not so sure about Galzy. Usually when he’s scum he gets kind of aggro toward someone, but he has not been as been as aggro as you have. So, I’m not quite sure why you want to work together.

I don't think you can ever be 100% sure unless you're scum yourself (unless you have some sort of special power).

Voting for Galzria is a great idea, a lot of super towny people such as myself are already doing it.

Toot my own horn again... this is starting to look normal coming from Awaclus, but it still seems odd to me that you need to keep "reminding" us that you're Town.

@Didds, re aggro. Yes. I try not to be aggro, but I like being direct and when I do so it seems to end up coming across more aggressive than I mean. Sorry! I'll try and work on my peaceful directness (the opposite of passive aggression?)

You have much more experience of Galzria's mafia style than me, so it's good to have your opinion on that.

What do you think about pubby? I don't think I've even read a game that they were in.

Curious why fang is just taking Didds' word on Galz.  Wouldn't it make more sense to be skeptical?  Only scum knows who's who, so they don't need to question information.

I 100% think there is scum on my wagon.
Why?

Because I know I’m a townie, and 4 players is a third of the pool. So, odds are good there is scum there.
Of course, but the odds are not 100%.

True enough. So the odds are not 100%, but I still 100% think there is scum aboard my train

Back to the 100%.  Is this normal for Didds?

How many scum do we expect?  I get it's BM, so it could be anything.  Maybe there's 1, or maybe half (with some really weird roles/interactions/restrictions)?  Ordinarily, are we expecting 2 or 3 with 12 players?

I mean, we could run the numbers, but they don't mean much yet until someone flips.  I could show probabilities, from the global perspective, or from my perspective knowing I'm Town.  I could assume 2 or 3 scum (or any other number).  And we could work out the chances there's scum there.  But they're just numbers and everything/anything is possible.

Vote: WCD

Here's the logic:

- Didds seems the most likely to pick a happy Disney dwarf or Smurf
- Joth seems the most likely to make the happiest dwarf the most evil dwarf
- Therefore Didds is evil

QED

Bad logic is bad. Vote: WCD

And back to Jimmmmm and nonsense posts.  Bad logic would mean voting for pubby, wouldn't it?  Agreeing with pubby would mean voting for Didds.

Yeah. That wagon is ridiculous.

Unvote

I still think you’re a Bad Dwarf (you made a post earlier that, to me, suggested you knew I was a Good Dwarf)... but math & fang are definitely in the scummiest spots on WCD’s wagon. Since it’s known Math won’t be exiled D1:

Vote: Fang

If you still think they are a Bad Dwarf, why move your vote?

Good to have you back. I'll go and look at that scola-Galzria exchange again.

What do you think about Didds?

I think there’s a 99% chance she chose Happy, and about a 10% chance Happy is a Bad Dwarf.

I think her wagon has gotten piled on because wagons are fun, and it’s a BM game so nobody cares quite that much. It definitely has a Bad Dwarf or two on it, but is probably largely a town wagon.

I think Fang & Math are the scummiest two on the wagon, followed by faust, then Jimmmmm, then pubby - in that order (Awaclus would fit between faust & Jimmmmm).

So by saying 10% chance Happy is Bad... are you claiming to know what types of Dwarves (or Dwarfs?) are Bad - back to the idea much earlier that we pick out which types of Dwarf could be Bad, then we all flavour-claim?  I think it's quite likely many of our flavour-roles will be known at some point in the game, and I doubt it would be that easy to pick off scum from that.  Just my personal opinion, but that doesn't seem to fit my understanding of BM.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #313 on: April 11, 2021, 03:25:43 pm »

As far as I can see, it was more than 48 hours from Jimmmm's previous post to my prod request.  Then he posted a few hours after my request (before the vote count):

<snip>

Did I miss something?
My math agrees with your math dude.

Presumably Joth did not see your prod request until after Jimmmmm had already posted, so fair enough for him not to be prodded I suppose, but I think your request was entirely valid at the time you made it. On the other hand, this being BM, the normal prohibition on use of time machines might not apply...

I have a feeling there were various other prodables around that time also, but haven't checked. Galzria, maybe pubby.

@Jimmmmm, were you following along anyway and then decided to post because you read mathdude's prod request?

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« Reply #314 on: April 11, 2021, 03:30:04 pm »

A good to know item... Jimmmmm is in Australia so his posting times tend to be radically different than the Euro/US/Canada crowd.
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« Reply #315 on: April 11, 2021, 03:31:05 pm »

@Didds, re aggro. Yes. I try not to be aggro, but I like being direct and when I do so it seems to end up coming across more aggressive than I mean. Sorry! I'll try and work on my peaceful directness (the opposite of passive aggression?)

You have much more experience of Galzria's mafia style than me, so it's good to have your opinion on that.

What do you think about pubby? I don't think I've even read a game that they were in.

Curious why fang is just taking Didds' word on Galz.  Wouldn't it make more sense to be skeptical?  Only scum knows who's who, so they don't need to question information.

If Didds is town, it is good to have Didds' opinion on Galzria.
If Didds is scum, it is even better to have Didds' opinion on Galzria.

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« Reply #316 on: April 11, 2021, 03:31:38 pm »

On the other hand, I guess it's possible and not super unlikely that scum is already in the neighborhood and therefore knows the names anyway. It might be beneficial after all.
But in all seriousness, why would that be beneficial? We would have a better idea what kinds of abilities might exist in the game, but scum would too and that info is probably more useful to scum. I don't think knowing the exact names helps prevent fake claims substantially more than just knowing the number does.
Well, I find it unlikely that all the dwarfs are town, so chances are scum already knows.

I ran some quick numbers, from the global perspective (not my own perspective).  12 players.  3 in the neighbourhood.  If 2 scum, I think there was about a 60% chance that 3 can all be Town (10 choose 2 divided by 12 choose 2).  If 3 scum, that drops to about 30% chance that they're all Town.

What if they're all scum and it's just the scum QT?!?

I get that this is BM, but that seems too obvious to me.  Let's say there are 3 scum.  If we flip Didds and find scum, then we assume all 3 of Snow White's dwarves are scum.  If a 2nd flips scum later, then we know it's probably true.  Also... why would Didds have offered that information if it was the scum QT?
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« Reply #317 on: April 11, 2021, 03:40:39 pm »

As far as I can see, it was more than 48 hours from Jimmmm's previous post to my prod request.  Then he posted a few hours after my request (before the vote count):

<snip>

Did I miss something?
My math agrees with your math dude.

Presumably Joth did not see your prod request until after Jimmmmm had already posted, so fair enough for him not to be prodded I suppose, but I think your request was entirely valid at the time you made it. On the other hand, this being BM, the normal prohibition on use of time machines might not apply...

I have a feeling there were various other prodables around that time also, but haven't checked. Galzria, maybe pubby.

@Jimmmmm, were you following along anyway and then decided to post because you read mathdude's prod request?

PPE: 1

Jimmmmm posted between my prod request and Joth's vote count.  But EFHW had done the same thing (posting between prod request and vote count where Joth confirmed that EFHW was prodded).  So I don't get it.

@Didds, re aggro. Yes. I try not to be aggro, but I like being direct and when I do so it seems to end up coming across more aggressive than I mean. Sorry! I'll try and work on my peaceful directness (the opposite of passive aggression?)

You have much more experience of Galzria's mafia style than me, so it's good to have your opinion on that.

What do you think about pubby? I don't think I've even read a game that they were in.

Curious why fang is just taking Didds' word on Galz.  Wouldn't it make more sense to be skeptical?  Only scum knows who's who, so they don't need to question information.

If Didds is town, it is good to have Didds' opinion on Galzria.
If Didds is scum, it is even better to have Didds' opinion on Galzria.

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I guess fair enough.  You didn't say you agreed with the assessment - just that it was good to have it.

I think we have about a day left to decide?  I like my vote, but I'm leery of the wagon.  For now, I'll

Unvote

so we have more time to discuss before a quickhammer.

Though I'm quite likely to come back to it unless something else draws my attention more.  Right now, Jimmmm or Didds are where my vote could go.
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« Reply #318 on: April 11, 2021, 03:44:50 pm »

Toot my own horn again... this is starting to look normal coming from Awaclus, but it still seems odd to me that you need to keep "reminding" us that you're Town.

It's supposed to be funny.
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« Reply #319 on: April 11, 2021, 03:54:06 pm »

pubby (1): Brightgalrs
EFHW (1):
Ok so EFHW just has a standing vote. The question is when did that happen
The first vote count went like this:
MiX (1): Galzria
Joth (1): WestCoastDidds
Galzria (1): Awaclus
faust (1): mathdude
Awaclus (1): infangthief
Brightgalrs (1): Jimmmmm
So the extra vote was applied between the first and second count, meaning it was a day action that someone activated. And that timeframe was when both I and WestCoastDidds voted for EFHW. Something fishy there. Or... is this some extended rule I don't know about? like where being prodded makes you easier to exile for the rest of the day?

Still need to read the rest of the thread.

MiX is likely the hidden voter on EFHW. Votes in his QT. Doesn’t show up in game because he’s “Not Playing”.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #320 on: April 11, 2021, 04:00:11 pm »

MiX is probably Ukifune Jinnai: The Dwarf Toilet Ninja, if I had to guess!
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #321 on: April 11, 2021, 04:04:28 pm »

MiX is probably Ukifune Jinnai: The Dwarf Toilet Ninja, if I had to guess!


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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #322 on: April 11, 2021, 04:06:35 pm »

Also, early DAMA. I’m a swirl in, which is like 2 cocktails - about to go make a cocktail, drink a beer, and watch the Giant’s game. After which I’ll be going over XxxRaptor’s house to celebrate his birthday (yay for all vaccinated gang!), where I’ve pre prepared Clarified Paper Plane cocktails ... so as long as I’m checking my phone - DAMA for the rest of the night!
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #323 on: April 11, 2021, 04:14:39 pm »

Also, early DAMA. I’m a swirl in, which is like 2 cocktails - about to go make a cocktail, drink a beer, and watch the Giant’s game. After which I’ll be going over XxxRaptor’s house to celebrate his birthday (yay for all vaccinated gang!), where I’ve pre prepared Clarified Paper Plane cocktails ... so as long as I’m checking my phone - DAMA for the rest of the night!

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #324 on: April 11, 2021, 05:59:13 pm »

Didds count

Galzria (2):, scolapasta, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmm
scolapasta (1): Galzria
Jimmmm (3): Swowl, WCD, EFHW
Pubby (1): brightgairs

How the heck is Didds at 5 votes here?!?

Yeah. That wagon is ridiculous.

Unvote

I still think you’re a Bad Dwarf (you made a post earlier that, to me, suggested you knew I was a Good Dwarf)... but math & fang are definitely in the scummiest spots on WCD’s wagon. Since it’s known Math won’t be exiled D1:

Vote: Fang

Good to have you back. I'll go and look at that scola-Galzria exchange again.

What do you think about Didds?

I've gone and had a look.

vote: Galzria

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #325 on: April 11, 2021, 06:03:19 pm »

Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:

I would also like a full claim from Didds.

A full claim benefits town at this point.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #326 on: April 11, 2021, 06:20:23 pm »

Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:

I would also like a full claim from Didds.

A full claim benefits town at this point.

Swowl finds himself wondering why  fang thinks this is true?
Swowl would feels the need inside to somehow make it clear that is a real question.
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« Reply #327 on: April 11, 2021, 06:25:09 pm »

Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:

I would also like a full claim from Didds.

A full claim benefits town at this point.

Swowl finds himself wondering why  fang thinks this is true?
Swowl would feels the need inside to somehow make it clear that is a real question.


Yeah. I’m not sure Didds needs to claim any more than she has. Don’t see how it helps town in any way.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #328 on: April 11, 2021, 07:36:21 pm »

Didds count

Galzria (2):, scolapasta, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmm
scolapasta (1): Galzria
Jimmmm (3): Swowl, WCD, EFHW
Pubby (1): brightgairs

How the heck is Didds at 5 votes here?!?

Yeah. That wagon is ridiculous.

Unvote

I still think you’re a Bad Dwarf (you made a post earlier that, to me, suggested you knew I was a Good Dwarf)... but math & fang are definitely in the scummiest spots on WCD’s wagon. Since it’s known Math won’t be exiled D1:

Vote: Fang

Good to have you back. I'll go and look at that scola-Galzria exchange again.

What do you think about Didds?

I've gone and had a look.

vote: Galzria

Can point me to exactly which post you were referring to?

I’ve apparently mixed up you and Scola. The post that I was referring to was yours - when you voted me following Awaclus. Your ^^ to his comment about my wagon being a good and townie wagon read to me as an underhanded reference to knowing that I’m town.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #329 on: April 11, 2021, 07:57:37 pm »

Didds count

Galzria (2):, scolapasta, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmm
scolapasta (1): Galzria
Jimmmm (3): Swowl, WCD, EFHW
Pubby (1): brightgairs

How the heck is Didds at 5 votes here?!?

Yeah. That wagon is ridiculous.

Unvote

I still think you’re a Bad Dwarf (you made a post earlier that, to me, suggested you knew I was a Good Dwarf)... but math & fang are definitely in the scummiest spots on WCD’s wagon. Since it’s known Math won’t be exiled D1:

Vote: Fang

Good to have you back. I'll go and look at that scola-Galzria exchange again.

What do you think about Didds?

I've gone and had a look.

vote: Galzria

Can point me to exactly which post you were referring to?

I’ve apparently mixed up you and Scola. The post that I was referring to was yours - when you voted me following Awaclus. Your ^^ to his comment about my wagon being a good and townie wagon read to me as an underhanded reference to knowing that I’m town.

Wait... was this mixup just recently? or from the beginning, i.e. your first vote on me.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #330 on: April 11, 2021, 07:58:59 pm »

I’ve apparently mixed up you and Scola. The post that I was referring to was yours - when you voted me following Awaclus. Your ^^ to his comment about my wagon being a good and townie wagon read to me as an underhanded reference to knowing that I’m town.

The wagon was towny because the person on the wagon — myself — was towny.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #331 on: April 11, 2021, 08:16:28 pm »

I’ve apparently mixed up you and Scola. The post that I was referring to was yours - when you voted me following Awaclus. Your ^^ to his comment about my wagon being a good and townie wagon read to me as an underhanded reference to knowing that I’m town.

The wagon was towny because the person on the wagon — myself — was towny.

Yes, I’m aware of what you meant. I don’t think fang meant what you meant.

Didds count

Galzria (2):, scolapasta, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmm
scolapasta (1): Galzria
Jimmmm (3): Swowl, WCD, EFHW
Pubby (1): brightgairs

How the heck is Didds at 5 votes here?!?

Yeah. That wagon is ridiculous.

Unvote

I still think you’re a Bad Dwarf (you made a post earlier that, to me, suggested you knew I was a Good Dwarf)... but math & fang are definitely in the scummiest spots on WCD’s wagon. Since it’s known Math won’t be exiled D1:

Vote: Fang

Good to have you back. I'll go and look at that scola-Galzria exchange again.

What do you think about Didds?

I've gone and had a look.

vote: Galzria

Can point me to exactly which post you were referring to?

I’ve apparently mixed up you and Scola. The post that I was referring to was yours - when you voted me following Awaclus. Your ^^ to his comment about my wagon being a good and townie wagon read to me as an underhanded reference to knowing that I’m town.

Wait... was this mixup just recently? or from the beginning, i.e. your first vote on me.

This is apparently correct, yes. Your avatars aren’t particularly similar, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. The entire time I’ve thought you were a Bad Dwarf, I’ve meant fang. Which, as it happens, supports my read on where I think scum is on Didds wagon.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #332 on: April 11, 2021, 09:14:44 pm »

Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:

I would also like a full claim from Didds.

A full claim benefits town at this point.

Tell me or I’ll vote for you is always going to be a losing strategy with me.  I don’t like being threatened.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #333 on: April 11, 2021, 09:16:26 pm »

And I think it’s super scummy to try to pull that kind of move
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #334 on: April 11, 2021, 09:52:53 pm »

Although I think I’m ready to move my vote to fang, I’m hesitant to lose the active players so Jimmmm still seems a better choice.

Mostly I wish I was out drinking with Swowl and Galzy
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #335 on: April 11, 2021, 11:41:28 pm »

Although I think I’m ready to move my vote to fang, I’m hesitant to lose the active players so Jimmmm still seems a better choice.

Mostly I wish I was out drinking with Swowl and Galzy

We do tooooooo!

Once all this COVID shit ends, you’re not THAT far from us! We need to plan a trip down to hang & drink!
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #336 on: April 12, 2021, 12:47:19 am »

Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:

I would also like a full claim from Didds.

A full claim benefits town at this point.

Tell me or I’ll vote for you is always going to be a losing strategy with me.  I don’t like being threatened.
So why did you flavor claim in the first place? Wasn't it because you felt threatened?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #337 on: April 12, 2021, 04:14:18 am »

I’ve apparently mixed up you and Scola. The post that I was referring to was yours - when you voted me following Awaclus. Your ^^ to his comment about my wagon being a good and townie wagon read to me as an underhanded reference to knowing that I’m town.

The wagon was towny because the person on the wagon — myself — was towny.

Yes, I’m aware of what you meant. I don’t think fang meant what you meant.

I didn't understand it to mean quite the same as Awaclus says there, but similar.
I understood him to mean the wagon was towny in the sense that being on it was towny.
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« Reply #338 on: April 12, 2021, 04:17:28 am »

Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:

I would also like a full claim from Didds.

A full claim benefits town at this point.

Tell me or I’ll vote for you is always going to be a losing strategy with me.  I don’t like being threatened.
"Tell me or I’ll vote for you" isn't quite what I said, or meant.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #339 on: April 12, 2021, 04:23:12 am »

It should however be generally understood that a refusal to cooperate with town is ... well, bad, and doing so out of spite or some kind of vague fear is anti-town. Didds has basically refused to engage with me all game.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #340 on: April 12, 2021, 04:27:21 am »

Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:

I would also like a full claim from Didds.

A full claim benefits town at this point.

Swowl finds himself wondering why  fang thinks this is true?
Swowl would feels the need inside to somehow make it clear that is a real question.


Yeah. I’m not sure Didds needs to claim any more than she has. Don’t see how it helps town in any way.
It helps determine her alignment. This is like, standard stuff. Fakeclaims are tough to come up with. Plus, she already claimed Doc, and that flavor corresponds to role powers. This means Didds has provided all the information scum would need - the fact that she is a protective role - so claiming more wouldn't actually hurt town in any way.
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« Reply #341 on: April 12, 2021, 04:27:46 am »

Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:

I would also like a full claim from Didds.

A full claim benefits town at this point.

Swowl finds himself wondering why  fang thinks this is true?
Swowl would feels the need inside to somehow make it clear that is a real question.


After these partial claims:
I’m Doc.
and
The flavor names definitely have something to do with our abilities, as far as I can tell
...
it seems scum is likely at an advantage over town in knowing Didds' powers, as they (probably?) have the additional information of knowing her alignment.

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« Reply #342 on: April 12, 2021, 04:35:09 am »

This is apparently correct, yes. Your avatars aren’t particularly similar, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. The entire time I’ve thought you were a Bad Dwarf, I’ve meant fang. Which, as it happens, supports my read on where I think scum is on Didds wagon.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #343 on: April 12, 2021, 04:36:54 am »

This is apparently correct, yes. Your avatars aren’t particularly similar, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. The entire time I’ve thought you were a Bad Dwarf, I’ve meant fang. Which, as it happens, supports my read on where I think scum is on Didds wagon.
Must be that codenames XI team!
Let's vote for faust, Joth and Swowl. It might get us a win for .. er.. red team. Now that's going to look scummy out of context!
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« Reply #344 on: April 12, 2021, 07:41:48 am »

It feels like there are not 12 people here participating much. Can we hear more from Jimmmmm, EFHW, and even pubby and Bright haven't said much either? Time is ticking on D1.
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« Reply #345 on: April 12, 2021, 07:55:25 am »

Vote count is probably something like this.

WestCoastDidds (3): pubby, faust, Jimmmmm
Jimmmmm (3): Swowl, WestCoastDidds, EFHW
Galzria (2): scolapasta, infangthief
pubby (2): Brightgalrs, Awaclus
infangthief (1): Galzria
EFHW (1):

not voting: mathdude

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« Reply #346 on: April 12, 2021, 08:18:11 am »

We've had so many people voting for Didds, where have they all gone?  :(
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« Reply #347 on: April 12, 2021, 08:20:55 am »

We've had so many people voting for Didds, where have they all gone?  :(

To better wagons, such as pubby.
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« Reply #348 on: April 12, 2021, 08:25:13 am »

@Jimmmmm, were you following along anyway and then decided to post because you read mathdude's prod request?

Nope. If I'm not posting it means I'm not following along.

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« Reply #349 on: April 12, 2021, 08:27:01 am »

@Jimmmmm, were you following along anyway and then decided to post because you read mathdude's prod request?

Nope. If I'm not posting it means I'm not following along.

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« Reply #350 on: April 12, 2021, 08:29:34 am »

Does anyone know when the deadline is? I'm off to bed soon so I should be around for it.
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« Reply #351 on: April 12, 2021, 08:32:19 am »

Does anyone know when the deadline is? I'm off to bed soon so I should be around for it.

I think it's in around 9 hours. This was around 23 hours ago:


With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends in 32 hours.

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« Reply #352 on: April 12, 2021, 08:36:20 am »

Okay pubby's probably a better exile than Didds. PINL. Vote: pubby

Deadline's in the morning for me. I normally sleep in past then, so I should be around for it if the Day's still going.
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« Reply #353 on: April 12, 2021, 09:03:56 am »

For Jimmmmm it seems !PINL == PIL.

Pubby is definitely an option.

In the meantime,

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« Reply #354 on: April 12, 2021, 09:07:40 am »

It should however be generally understood that a refusal to cooperate with town is ... well, bad, and doing so out of spite or some kind of vague fear is anti-town. Didds has basically refused to engage with me all game.

Huh? How have I refused to engage with you? I thought we had an interesting exchange about PINL.

I am not refusing to cooperate with town at all.  A full claim of my role would not be beneficial for us, and as far as the qt those folks should get to say who they are.  I don't see that outing them as 7 dwarves helps town, although I could be convinced otherwise.
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« Reply #355 on: April 12, 2021, 09:08:15 am »

Although I think I’m ready to move my vote to fang, I’m hesitant to lose the active players so Jimmmm still seems a better choice.

Mostly I wish I was out drinking with Swowl and Galzy

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« Reply #356 on: April 12, 2021, 09:09:02 am »

Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:

I would also like a full claim from Didds.

A full claim benefits town at this point.

Tell me or I’ll vote for you is always going to be a losing strategy with me.  I don’t like being threatened.
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« Reply #357 on: April 12, 2021, 09:12:51 am »

Very ready to return to Didds, depending on the outcome of this:

I would also like a full claim from Didds.

A full claim benefits town at this point.

Swowl finds himself wondering why  fang thinks this is true?
Swowl would feels the need inside to somehow make it clear that is a real question.


Yeah. I’m not sure Didds needs to claim any more than she has. Don’t see how it helps town in any way.
It helps determine her alignment. This is like, standard stuff. Fakeclaims are tough to come up with. Plus, she already claimed Doc, and that flavor corresponds to role powers. This means Didds has provided all the information scum would need - the fact that she is a protective role - so claiming more wouldn't actually hurt town in any way.

Heaven knows I have zero proven ability to fakeclaim. But this isn't that. It helps us more if I don't share more because I have some limitations that are better kept to myself. Scum doesn't know that information, and it would be better if they don't learn it now.
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« Reply #358 on: April 12, 2021, 09:16:32 am »

Does anyone know when the deadline is???

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« Reply #359 on: April 12, 2021, 09:19:42 am »

Does anyone know when the deadline is???

I think it's in around 8 hours. This was around 1 hour ago:

Does anyone know when the deadline is? I'm off to bed soon so I should be around for it.

I think it's in around 9 hours. This was around 23 hours ago:


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« Reply #360 on: April 12, 2021, 09:23:58 am »

Does anyone know when the deadline is???

Sorry, I just saw the awaclus post... so, we think it is about 5:15ish PM Forum time?

Here is my working list:
Would exile: Jimmm, EFHW, pubby, brighty
Would consider: awaclus, fang, galzria
Would not consider: faust, scola, swowl, mathdude

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« Reply #361 on: April 12, 2021, 09:27:05 am »

It should however be generally understood that a refusal to cooperate with town is ... well, bad, and doing so out of spite or some kind of vague fear is anti-town. Didds has basically refused to engage with me all game.

Huh? How have I refused to engage with you? I thought we had an interesting exchange about PINL.

I am not refusing to cooperate with town at all.  A full claim of my role would not be beneficial for us, and as far as the qt those folks should get to say who they are.  I don't see that outing them as 7 dwarves helps town, although I could be convinced otherwise.
You refused to answer my initial question, and refused further calls to claiming. You also haven't meaningfully addressed my question of why you thought there was scum on your wagon.
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« Reply #362 on: April 12, 2021, 09:28:56 am »

I also never suggested that you should say which players are the other 7 dwarfs, just which other dwarf flavors exist in the game.
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« Reply #363 on: April 12, 2021, 09:52:59 am »

Pubby is definitely an option.
But not as good an option as Diddzria.

vote: Galzria

@Awaclus did Didds do anything that you found towny?
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@Didds, same question.
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« Reply #364 on: April 12, 2021, 09:57:08 am »

I think it would be beneficial to learn the names of all of the 7 dwarfs.
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« Reply #365 on: April 12, 2021, 09:58:18 am »

Oh, nvm, I've just read your last post through to the end of the sentence. I get it now, I think.
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« Reply #366 on: April 12, 2021, 09:59:50 am »

@Awaclus did Didds do anything that you found towny?

I don't think answering this question helps town.
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« Reply #367 on: April 12, 2021, 10:04:27 am »

But actually, faust, I think you've been quite unclear about how much you've been wanting Didds to claim. Were you hoping she'd claim lots of things which helped scum, then you could say oh I didn't mean claim that much?
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« Reply #368 on: April 12, 2021, 10:07:37 am »

Although I think I’m ready to move my vote to fang, I’m hesitant to lose the active players so Jimmmm still seems a better choice.

Mostly I wish I was out drinking with Swowl and Galzy

We do tooooooo!

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« Reply #369 on: April 12, 2021, 10:09:46 am »

But actually, faust, I think you've been quite unclear about how much you've been wanting Didds to claim. Were you hoping she'd claim lots of things which helped scum, then you could say oh I didn't mean claim that much?

Then why did I understand what he meant?
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« Reply #370 on: April 12, 2021, 10:12:07 am »

Vote Count 1.4



Jimmmmm (3): Swowl, WestCoastDidds, EFHW
pubby (3): Brightgalrs, Awaclus, Jimmmmm
WestCoastDidds (2): pubby, faust
Galzria (2): scolapasta, infangthief
infangthief (1): Galzria
EFHW (1):

Not voting: mathdude
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah, Ozle
I'm serious, definitely not playing and already modkilled even if he were: MiX


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« Reply #371 on: April 12, 2021, 10:12:44 am »

But actually, faust, I think you've been quite unclear about how much you've been wanting Didds to claim. Were you hoping she'd claim lots of things which helped scum, then you could say oh I didn't mean claim that much?
I wanted her to claim her role. I thought this much was clear.

Separately, I wanted to know about the flavor names in the neighborhood, but that wasn't as important.
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« Reply #372 on: April 12, 2021, 10:15:01 am »

Although I think I’m ready to move my vote to fang, I’m hesitant to lose the active players so Jimmmm still seems a better choice.

Mostly I wish I was out drinking with Swowl and Galzy

We do tooooooo!

Once all this COVID shit ends, you’re not THAT far from us! We need to plan a trip down to hang & drink!

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« Reply #373 on: April 12, 2021, 10:18:34 am »

Pubby is definitely an option.
But not as good an option as Diddzria.

vote: Galzria

@Awaclus did Didds do anything that you found towny?
@Jimmmmm same question.
@Didds, same question.

Ummm... I think it is towny of me to try not to get exiled, not overshare information about who the 7 dwarves are, and to keep back the parts of my role that would not be beneficial for scum to know.

I also think it is towny of me to advocate that we not exile the people who are showing up

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« Reply #374 on: April 12, 2021, 10:22:00 am »

Although I think I’m ready to move my vote to fang, I’m hesitant to lose the active players so Jimmmm still seems a better choice.

Mostly I wish I was out drinking with Swowl and Galzy

We do tooooooo!

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I know I'm on the wrong coast, but don't you dare leave me out of this :P

Vote count coming soon.


You are so /in!

We will have the East Coast edition for sure, and then I can actually meet some of you in person. And since WCD is in the middle of the country, she has to come to our event too!

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« Reply #375 on: April 12, 2021, 10:28:31 am »

It should however be generally understood that a refusal to cooperate with town is ... well, bad, and doing so out of spite or some kind of vague fear is anti-town. Didds has basically refused to engage with me all game.

Huh? How have I refused to engage with you? I thought we had an interesting exchange about PINL.

I am not refusing to cooperate with town at all.  A full claim of my role would not be beneficial for us, and as far as the qt those folks should get to say who they are.  I don't see that outing them as 7 dwarves helps town, although I could be convinced otherwise.
You refused to answer my initial question, and refused further calls to claiming. You also haven't meaningfully addressed my question of why you thought there was scum on your wagon.

Your initial question felt like fishing to me, and I said as much. It felt like you were targeting me in a way that plays on my known problem of saying too much too soon.

The further calls to claiming have not been universal. It feels like you and Fang want to know, and other people are like "don't do it".  I think Fang is especially scummy in those requests. I am not sure how sharing the seven dwarf names helps us, but as I've said, I can be convinced. It seems like scum, knowing there is a 7D neighborhood can't effectively claim one of those anyway. Additionally, since our names seem to have some tie to our roles it might not be beneficial for town to know.

I thought there was scum on my wagon because it built quickly and it wasn't made of anything.  It began with pubby's QED, and then was followed by votes without reason. And then Jimmmm's inexplicable "bad logic, vote WCD" post. In my experience, when a wagon gets to 5, there is scum on it. And since I know I am town, I am even more sure of that.  As you and others have pointed out, I obviously cannot be certain of the fact, but I can be sure of my feelings which is what I meant when I said 100%. I 100% feel like there is scum there.
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« Reply #376 on: April 12, 2021, 10:30:56 am »

The scola/Joth meet up needs to happen sooner rather than later.  You all actually live close to one another.
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« Reply #377 on: April 12, 2021, 10:57:49 am »

The further calls to claiming have not been universal. It feels like you and Fang want to know, and other people are like "don't do it".  I think Fang is especially scummy in those requests. I am not sure how sharing the seven dwarf names helps us, but as I've said, I can be convinced. It seems like scum, knowing there is a 7D neighborhood can't effectively claim one of those anyway. Additionally, since our names seem to have some tie to our roles it might not be beneficial for town to know.

It is likely that scum has someone in the neighborhood, in which case they already know and it's just town that doesn't.
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« Reply #378 on: April 12, 2021, 11:02:17 am »

The further calls to claiming have not been universal. It feels like you and Fang want to know, and other people are like "don't do it".  I think Fang is especially scummy in those requests. I am not sure how sharing the seven dwarf names helps us, but as I've said, I can be convinced. It seems like scum, knowing there is a 7D neighborhood can't effectively claim one of those anyway. Additionally, since our names seem to have some tie to our roles it might not be beneficial for town to know.

It is likely that scum has someone in the neighborhood, in which case they already know and it's just town that doesn't.

Which is a reason to tell you who is i the neighborhood, but faust wants to know which dwarf names...
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« Reply #379 on: April 12, 2021, 11:05:06 am »

The further calls to claiming have not been universal. It feels like you and Fang want to know, and other people are like "don't do it".  I think Fang is especially scummy in those requests. I am not sure how sharing the seven dwarf names helps us, but as I've said, I can be convinced. It seems like scum, knowing there is a 7D neighborhood can't effectively claim one of those anyway. Additionally, since our names seem to have some tie to our roles it might not be beneficial for town to know.

It is likely that scum has someone in the neighborhood, in which case they already know and it's just town that doesn't.

Which is a reason to tell you who is i the neighborhood, but faust wants to know which dwarf names...
I am not following your argument.
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« Reply #380 on: April 12, 2021, 11:08:44 am »

The further calls to claiming have not been universal. It feels like you and Fang want to know, and other people are like "don't do it".  I think Fang is especially scummy in those requests. I am not sure how sharing the seven dwarf names helps us, but as I've said, I can be convinced. It seems like scum, knowing there is a 7D neighborhood can't effectively claim one of those anyway. Additionally, since our names seem to have some tie to our roles it might not be beneficial for town to know.

It is likely that scum has someone in the neighborhood, in which case they already know and it's just town that doesn't.

Which is a reason to tell you who is i the neighborhood, but faust wants to know which dwarf names...

If we knew for certain scum with in the neighborhood, then revealing both would make sense. If we don't know, then I'm not sure which, if either it makes sense.

Especially being a bastard game - means that alignment might not have been doled at randomly.
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« Reply #381 on: April 12, 2021, 11:10:13 am »

Awaclus wants to know what people are in the neighborhood.

faust wants to know the names of the dwarves in the neighborhood.

I am way more comfortable sharing the people than their drawf names.
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« Reply #382 on: April 12, 2021, 11:29:02 am »

If MiX were playing, he'd be annoyed that I shared my name, but also know it made me town
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« Reply #384 on: April 12, 2021, 11:47:45 am »

@Jimmmmm, were you following along anyway and then decided to post because you read mathdude's prod request?

Nope. If I'm not posting it means I'm not following along.

Happy with a WCD lynch. Unvote

Admitting to not following along (since there have been some very extensive times without Jimmmm posts).  That's something scum can do when the wagon is in the wrong spot.  That's not helping town by not being around.

Okay pubby's probably a better exile than Didds. PINL. Vote: pubby

Deadline's in the morning for me. I normally sleep in past then, so I should be around for it if the Day's still going.

Why is pubby a better exile?  A "reason" like this is just as helpful as not giving a reason at all.

Jimmmmm is not participating much.  He isn't offering anything useful even when he does show up.  I think he's quite possibly scum.  And even if he is town, he's not helping us and not giving us anything to help town-read him later.

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I'm serious, definitely not playing and already modkilled even if he were: MiX

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The setup will be mostly closed, but will probably disclose some things. PINL (Promise I'm Not Lying) rules will apply -- if and only if I write "PINL" before or after messaging, you know you can trust it.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #385 on: April 12, 2021, 11:49:57 am »

Awaclus wants to know what people are in the neighborhood.

faust wants to know the names of the dwarves in the neighborhood.

I am way more comfortable sharing the people than their drawf names.

I might have communicated unclearly, but I agree with faust. Having a better idea what kinds of roles are present in the game helps both town and scum, because it means everyone can plan their actions better. Currently, it is more likely than not that scum already has that information and town doesn't, which is why it's beneficial to reveal it.

Having a better idea who has those roles, as far as I can tell, is only a negligible benefit to town, whereas it is a considerable benefit to scum. Even though most likely revealing it would just negligibly benefit town because scum already knows, the benefit to town doesn't seem important enough to justify taking the risk.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #386 on: April 12, 2021, 11:52:49 am »

Why is pubby a better exile?  A "reason" like this is just as helpful as not giving a reason at all.

Jimmmmm is not participating much.  He isn't offering anything useful even when he does show up.  I think he's quite possibly scum.  And even if he is town, he's not helping us and not giving us anything to help town-read him later.

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« Reply #388 on: April 12, 2021, 11:55:09 am »

Partially why I voted Didds is because of a comment she made very early and very unprompted:

I am the most obvious dwarf, or maybe second most obvious dwarf had I been thinking about it more.

It didn't seem beneficial or logical for a town member to unnecessarily hint at their role. It seemed like something scum would do to convince others they're one of the good guys. And then she goes and says:

I am not sure how sharing the seven dwarf names helps us

Then why did she share initially?

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« Reply #389 on: April 12, 2021, 11:58:25 am »

Awaclus wants to know what people are in the neighborhood.

faust wants to know the names of the dwarves in the neighborhood.

I am way more comfortable sharing the people than their drawf names.

I might have communicated unclearly, but I agree with faust. Having a better idea what kinds of roles are present in the game helps both town and scum, because it means everyone can plan their actions better. Currently, it is more likely than not that scum already has that information and town doesn't, which is why it's beneficial to reveal it.

Having a better idea who has those roles, as far as I can tell, is only a negligible benefit to town, whereas it is a considerable benefit to scum. Even though most likely revealing it would just negligibly benefit town because scum already knows, the benefit to town doesn't seem important enough to justify taking the risk.

Ah, I see.  Yes, I was confused.

Scola, as someone who says maybe don't tell.... what do you think? Reveal which dwarves are in the game?
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« Reply #390 on: April 12, 2021, 12:00:46 pm »

No, it wasn't unprompted. It was a response.  Here is the full quote

Still waiting on infangthief and EFHW to chime in, but considering some of us know each other pretty well, maybe we could discuss what characters we think others picked.

Like I know pubby, so I might have a theory or two about who he picked.


Ohhhhhh...... I like it!

Most of the gamer dudes are going to have picked obscure dwarves I’ve never heard of. My not gamer friendlies will have chosen Disney dwarves or other popular culture ones like LoTR and whatnot.

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« Reply #391 on: April 12, 2021, 12:02:00 pm »


I am not sure how sharing the seven dwarf names helps us

Then why did she share initially?


Share my name? Because I don't think we should exile protective folks.
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« Reply #392 on: April 12, 2021, 12:02:35 pm »

I'm still pleased with my vote on pubby.
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« Reply #393 on: April 12, 2021, 12:03:17 pm »

IIRC, I prodded EFHW before she posted, I just didn't mention the prod until after she had posted. With Jimmmmm, he always gets a post in before I get a chance to prod him. It doesn't matter, prods don't suddenly have hidden mechanical depths, PINL. Although, great idea for future bastard games.
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« Reply #394 on: April 12, 2021, 12:03:50 pm »

Pubby is definitely an option.
But not as good an option as Diddzria.

vote: Galzria

@Awaclus did Didds do anything that you found towny?
@Jimmmmm same question.
@Didds, same question.

Ummm... I think it is towny of me to try not to get exiled, not overshare information about who the 7 dwarves are, and to keep back the parts of my role that would not be beneficial for scum to know.

I also think it is towny of me to advocate that we not exile the people who are showing up

If MiX were playing, he'd be annoyed that I shared my name, but also know it made me town

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« Reply #395 on: April 12, 2021, 12:05:57 pm »

No, it wasn't unprompted. It was a response.  Here is the full quote

Still waiting on infangthief and EFHW to chime in, but considering some of us know each other pretty well, maybe we could discuss what characters we think others picked.

Like I know pubby, so I might have a theory or two about who he picked.


Ohhhhhh...... I like it!

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I am the most obvious dwarf, or maybe second most obvious dwarf had I been thinking about it more.

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« Reply #396 on: April 12, 2021, 12:08:47 pm »

If MiX were playing, he'd be annoyed that I shared my name, but also know it made me town
That your name made you town, or sharing your name made you town?

The sharing made me town. I have a particular problem with saying too much too soon. It drives MiX crazy, and I am sure helps scum. It's also why I was so wary of faust fishing for information specifically from me.
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« Reply #397 on: April 12, 2021, 12:09:00 pm »

IIRC, I prodded EFHW before she posted, I just didn't mention the prod until after she had posted. With Jimmmmm, he always gets a post in before I get a chance to prod him. It doesn't matter, prods don't suddenly have hidden mechanical depths, PINL. Although, great idea for future bastard games.

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« Reply #398 on: April 12, 2021, 12:10:45 pm »

No, it wasn't unprompted. It was a response.  Here is the full quote
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« Reply #399 on: April 12, 2021, 12:14:54 pm »

Awaclus wants to know what people are in the neighborhood.

faust wants to know the names of the dwarves in the neighborhood.

I am way more comfortable sharing the people than their drawf names.

I might have communicated unclearly, but I agree with faust. Having a better idea what kinds of roles are present in the game helps both town and scum, because it means everyone can plan their actions better. Currently, it is more likely than not that scum already has that information and town doesn't, which is why it's beneficial to reveal it.

Having a better idea who has those roles, as far as I can tell, is only a negligible benefit to town, whereas it is a considerable benefit to scum. Even though most likely revealing it would just negligibly benefit town because scum already knows, the benefit to town doesn't seem important enough to justify taking the risk.

Ah, I see.  Yes, I was confused.

Scola, as someone who says maybe don't tell.... what do you think? Reveal which dwarves are in the game?

I generally want to have info because it helps me try to "solve' the game. I do think being a bastard game, makes solving harder, as there will be things that aren't clear  or just wrong.

Did we establish it's more likely than not though that scum already knows? Again bastard game throws everything into chaos.

You said it's open day, so I think I'd poll my fellow dwarfs and see what they think?

I'm also fine with your not revealing, at least for the day.
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« Reply #400 on: April 12, 2021, 12:18:36 pm »

I might have communicated unclearly, but I agree with faust. Having a better idea what kinds of roles are present in the game helps both town and scum, because it means everyone can plan their actions better. Currently, it is more likely than not that scum already has that information and town doesn't, which is why it's beneficial to reveal it.

Having a better idea who has those roles, as far as I can tell, is only a negligible benefit to town, whereas it is a considerable benefit to scum. Even though most likely revealing it would just negligibly benefit town because scum already knows, the benefit to town doesn't seem important enough to justify taking the risk.

I'm still not convinced of the numbers.  "Currently it is more likely than not that scum already has that information".  How can you know that?  Do you know how many scum there are?  Do you know that scum is in the group?  Are you scum and in that group?  In a BM game, how can we even guess any numbers?

I may not be able to read many of you guys yet, being fairly new.  But I can play numbers games.  From Didds' perspective, if she's town, and we assume 3 scum out of 12 players this game (which I fully admit could be slightly or completely wrong!)... the remaining 2 in her neighbourhood have (8C2)/(11C2)=28/55 (~50%) chance of both being town.  If there are only 2 scum, I believe that works out to 36/55 (~65%) chance the other two are town.  And if Didds is scum, none of this matters since she already knows enough about the neighbourhood.

So are you still fairly sure that "scum already knows who's in the neighbourhood"?

Why is pubby a better exile?  A "reason" like this is just as helpful as not giving a reason at all.

Jimmmmm is not participating much.  He isn't offering anything useful even when he does show up.  I think he's quite possibly scum.  And even if he is town, he's not helping us and not giving us anything to help town-read him later.

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I was not intending it to be "I don't agree with a pubby exile" (that is, questioning the choice).  I meant the question to try and prompt Jimmmmm into actually joining the discussion, rather than saying "I'm here.  I admit I haven't done much.  I'll vote this person without actually giving a reason".  You are right... Jimmmmm has actually been here a bit, so he's one that I could actually ask questions and hope to get an answer from, to help me/others read him (other than the fact that apparently he's sleeping from now until deadline).  A vote just puts extra pressure, especially if he's scum as it could bring out other people who want to defend him.

People I'd be happy to vote for right now: Jimmmmm, Didds, pubby, maybe fang, Bright or EFHW (probably that would be my order of preference).  I know that's a big list.  I really don't know at this point!

I'm not getting town-vibes, per se, from the others.  I don't know you all well enough for that.  But my strongest scum-vibes (I tend to be fairly cynical and scum-read a lot more into things than I probably should) and/or non-helpful feelings (from being mostly absent) are on that list.

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« Reply #401 on: April 12, 2021, 12:35:45 pm »

Did y'all miss the post when I claimed to be in a neighborhood too?
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« Reply #402 on: April 12, 2021, 12:51:40 pm »

Did y'all miss the post when I claimed to be in a neighborhood too?

Miss?  No.

Forget about?  Yes.

Is your being in a neighbourhood supposed to clear you as town?  Is it supposed to excuse the fact that you haven't said much?  I'm not saying you need to share much about it at this point.  But having 1 other person paired with you (and they supposedly invited you) doesn't seem very helpful to us.

I just looked back through your ~10 posts you've made so far this game.  Only 1 or 2 have actually had much content to them (such as your early vote and logic on Didds that generated much discussion and follow-up).
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« Reply #403 on: April 12, 2021, 01:02:10 pm »

I'm still not convinced of the numbers.  "Currently it is more likely than not that scum already has that information".  How can you know that?  Do you know how many scum there are?  Do you know that scum is in the group?  Are you scum and in that group?  In a BM game, how can we even guess any numbers?

I may not be able to read many of you guys yet, being fairly new.  But I can play numbers games.  From Didds' perspective, if she's town, and we assume 3 scum out of 12 players this game (which I fully admit could be slightly or completely wrong!)... the remaining 2 in her neighbourhood have (8C2)/(11C2)=28/55 (~50%) chance of both being town.  If there are only 2 scum, I believe that works out to 36/55 (~65%) chance the other two are town.  And if Didds is scum, none of this matters since she already knows enough about the neighbourhood.

So are you still fairly sure that "scum already knows who's in the neighbourhood"?

3 out of 12 is a very balanced setup, and joth did promise the game would not be intentionally unbalanced, so I think it's very likely those are the numbers unless there are 3rd parties. Even something like a Survivor is more likely to replace a townie than a scummie.
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« Reply #404 on: April 12, 2021, 01:12:38 pm »

But having 1 other person paired with you (and they supposedly invited you) doesn't seem very helpful to us.
Is this a slip? I didn't say anything about the neighborhood being me and only one other person.

I can see several players here not caring about my reveal, but I would think surely the guy doing the calculations and trying to determine the setup would care about there being a second neighborhood.
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« Reply #405 on: April 12, 2021, 01:19:26 pm »

I can see several players here not caring about my reveal, but I would think surely the guy doing the calculations and trying to determine the setup would care about there being a second neighborhood.
I was just about to post about that:

One more question, is it night only? (since you could otherwise discuss now what to share)?

No, it’s always open. It has not been very active...

I'm in a neighborhood too but we only have daychat. It's unrelated to my role - I was invited in the middle of D1 by another player.
There is an apparent contradiction here, which I've highlighted in bold. And it's such an obvious one, that because no one else has picked up on it, I'm inclined to believe that it's willful ignorance on the part of the Bad Dwarfs. Like they're intentionally overlooking such useful ammunition because WCD is their ally.
Could two neighborhoods have different chat restrictions? Sure, but keep in mind my main point is that no one has remarked on this for the last 100 posts.
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« Reply #406 on: April 12, 2021, 01:24:32 pm »

Could two neighborhoods have different chat restrictions? Sure, but keep in mind my main point is that no one has remarked on this for the last 100 posts.

Maybe nobody remarked on it because it wasn't very remarkable.
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« Reply #407 on: April 12, 2021, 01:31:18 pm »

Could two neighborhoods have different chat restrictions? Sure, but keep in mind my main point is that no one has remarked on this for the last 100 posts.

Maybe nobody remarked on it because it wasn't very remarkable.
So far there's been only a handful of remarkable things. EFHW's strange extra vote. WestCoastDidds's nameclaim (and partial roleclaim). And then pubby's partial roleclaim.

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« Reply #408 on: April 12, 2021, 01:34:24 pm »

So, Brighty, I’m scummy because my neighborhood is open all the time? I’m not following.
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« Reply #409 on: April 12, 2021, 01:36:06 pm »

Could two neighborhoods have different chat restrictions? Sure, but keep in mind my main point is that no one has remarked on this for the last 100 posts.

Maybe nobody remarked on it because it wasn't very remarkable.
So far there's been only a handful of remarkable things. EFHW's strange extra vote. WestCoastDidds's nameclaim (and partial roleclaim). And then pubby's partial roleclaim.

"willful ignorance" indeed.

There's been a lot of remarkable things. Like votes, lurking, a bunch of stuff about 7dwarves, etc. The prod stuff was also remarkable until it turned out there was an explanation for it. I get e-mail notifications for new posts all the time, generally the things people post aren't pointless anymore.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #410 on: April 12, 2021, 01:38:01 pm »

At this point, I’m finding myself wondering why the people in my neighborhood are choosing not to share that.

I was giving everyone a chance to read in, but the choice to remain anonymous seems suspect to me.

Pubby, who was in your neighborhood? Why did it open? Are you sure it’s day only?
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« Reply #411 on: April 12, 2021, 01:46:59 pm »

But having 1 other person paired with you (and they supposedly invited you) doesn't seem very helpful to us.
Is this a slip? I didn't say anything about the neighborhood being me and only one other person.

I can see several players here not caring about my reveal, but I would think surely the guy doing the calculations and trying to determine the setup would care about there being a second neighborhood.

I don't get what the "slip" is. You said you were invited by someone middle of D1. Are you now saying there are more than 2 of you in it? You gave no indication of that, so I assumed it was just the 2 of you.

Or are you now saying that there were 2 scum. They have recruited you to be their third. And for some reason, you guys have day chat instead of night chat (blame BM)?

And yes, neighbourhoods have different restrictions. In BM. Big deal? I don't get what the issue is.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #412 on: April 12, 2021, 02:14:38 pm »

And yes, neighbourhoods have different restrictions. In BM. Big deal? I don't get what the issue is.
It didn't use to be a big deal, but became one when no one acknowledged it as even a small deal.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #413 on: April 12, 2021, 02:22:07 pm »

And yes, neighbourhoods have different restrictions. In BM. Big deal? I don't get what the issue is.
It didn't use to be a big deal, but became one when no one acknowledged it as even a small deal.

This seems like a waste of time to me. I don't even remember if I noticed it and didn't think it was at all significant, or just didn't notice.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #414 on: April 12, 2021, 02:24:25 pm »

And yes, neighbourhoods have different restrictions. In BM. Big deal? I don't get what the issue is.
It didn't use to be a big deal, but became one when no one acknowledged it as even a small deal.

So why are you voting Didds and not Pubby?

I would’ve been much more suspect if they were claimed to be the same mechanic. The fact that they’re different probably wasn’t talked about because it’s a complete null fact.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #415 on: April 12, 2021, 03:07:12 pm »

The 7 dwarves neighborhood as been open since the beginning of the game, so a night and a day. I got the QT link as part of my role post, so no one had to be invited or do anything to make it happen. 

That seems entirely different than what pubby is describing.  I still don't see how that is scummy.

And why isn't pubby answering questions about his neighborhood. Someone with the ability to create them is more interesting than a neighborhood as part of the flavor.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #416 on: April 12, 2021, 03:11:20 pm »

Didds count

Jimmmmm (3): Swowl, , EFHW, mathdude
pubby (3): Awaclus, Jimmmmm, WestCoastDidds
WestCoastDidds (3): pubby, faust, Brightgalrs
Galzria (1): infangthief
infangthief (1): Galzria
EFHW (1):

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #417 on: April 12, 2021, 03:18:17 pm »

unvote

Nobody wants to Exile fang, apparently.

Let me iso Didds, Jimmmmm & pubby, and then I’ll vote for one of those 3.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #418 on: April 12, 2021, 03:23:24 pm »

I don't have a cool tool so I am counting posts by hand... these are the folks I perceive as low participation

EFHW: 5
Jimmmm: 9
Brighty: 18
Swowl: 10
pubby: 12

Assuming in a BM game that most the fun will be happening at night (and what do I know, Joth could do anything), I think it serves us well to have the present players still playing tomorrow.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #419 on: April 12, 2021, 03:27:53 pm »

Didds count

Jimmmmm (3): Swowl, , EFHW, mathdude
pubby (3): Awaclus, Jimmmmm, WestCoastDidds
WestCoastDidds (3): pubby, faust, Brightgalrs
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #420 on: April 12, 2021, 03:28:54 pm »

My neighborhood is day-only, and is a big enough game mechanic that makes me doubt there would be other neighborhoods in the game. I'm not saying there can't be a second one, but with what I know, a second neighborhood seems highly redundant from a game design point of view.

And no, I'm not ready to reveal who's in my neighborhood, but mathdude was right: it's only 1 other person (my inviter) at the time being.

I don't get what the "slip" is.
If the person who invited me is scum, and you are scum, then you would know that I was in their neighborhood and that there were only 2 of us at the moment.

At this point, I’m finding myself wondering why the people in my neighborhood are choosing not to share that.

I was giving everyone a chance to read in, but the choice to remain anonymous seems suspect to me.
Pardon my shouting, but YOU HAVE DAYCHAT WITH THESE PEOPLE. You would have asked them in that, and would be aware of their thoughts on the matter!

My hunch - and a good one at that - is that you are scum with 2 other disney dwarves, and have only night chat with them. You were hoping that one of them would back up your claim, and were also hoping that the adorable appearance of your dwarves would make you appear town.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #421 on: April 12, 2021, 03:31:26 pm »

wait, so your argument is that I don't have a neighborhood with daychat? That I am making it all up?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #422 on: April 12, 2021, 03:32:21 pm »

unvote

Nobody wants to Exile fang, apparently.

Let me iso Didds, Jimmmmm & pubby, and then I’ll vote for one of those 3.
unvote

Nobody wants to Exile Galz, apparently.

I'm torn between Didds and Jimmmmm, with pubby a close third.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #423 on: April 12, 2021, 03:35:22 pm »

wait, so your argument is that I don't have a neighborhood with daychat? That I am making it all up?
Yep.

If you were in a day chat, it's 100% given the other members would be talking about what to reveal.

If you're clueless enough to say,

At this point, I’m finding myself wondering why the people in my neighborhood are choosing not to share that.

I was giving everyone a chance to read in, but the choice to remain anonymous seems suspect to me.

that means you don't have daychat.
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« Reply #424 on: April 12, 2021, 03:36:04 pm »

And before anyone jumps in, I think Galz and Awaclus are your scum buddies.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #425 on: April 12, 2021, 03:39:29 pm »

It's turning into a bit of a capital-D Day here in real life land, so I'm not going to be able to supply a lot of vote counts. You all have an hour and 40 minutes until deadline and I will keep an eye on things as best I can. PINL.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #426 on: April 12, 2021, 03:39:55 pm »

Did y'all miss the post when I claimed to be in a neighborhood too?
I noticed it, and it struck me as an odd way to avoid engaging in the discussion about Didds, who was at X-1 with you on her wagon.

Now, with your recent posts.... well I don't get what's going on, but something is.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #427 on: April 12, 2021, 03:40:33 pm »

wait, so your argument is that I don't have a neighborhood with daychat? That I am making it all up?
Yep.

If you were in a day chat, it's 100% given the other members would be talking about what to reveal.

If you're clueless enough to say,

At this point, I’m finding myself wondering why the people in my neighborhood are choosing not to share that.

I was giving everyone a chance to read in, but the choice to remain anonymous seems suspect to me.

that means you don't have daychat.

Oh, for the love of Pete, this is ridiculous. Why would I say we had daychat when we don't? What is the point of that?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #428 on: April 12, 2021, 03:42:07 pm »

And if the conversation we have had today is that there is no reason for me to reveal their names, doesn't that seem a lot like what I am doing?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #429 on: April 12, 2021, 03:44:17 pm »

There is literally no way for me to prove to you that I am in the neighborhood I say I am without outing the other members, so this is just an advanced fishing expedition. And none of this applies to you and your neighborhood? Dude.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #430 on: April 12, 2021, 03:44:46 pm »

Pubby somewhat arbitrarily voted for Didds relatively early, went some time in the middle of the day doing nothing, and has fairly recently begun justifying the initial vote. The “reason” behind the vote was never made clear early on, and Pubby didn’t even vote Didds immediately following the supposed scummy post that she made (he instead speculated about Bad dwarfs in stories).

Still, while not having many varied reads, he’s been consistent throughout.

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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #431 on: April 12, 2021, 03:47:22 pm »

It's turning into a bit of a capital-D Day here in real life land, so I'm not going to be able to supply a lot of vote counts. You all have an hour and 40 minutes until deadline and I will keep an eye on things as best I can. PINL.
Hope things are ok Joth.

I realise you may not be able to process this, but hopefully EFHW might notice it somehow anyway Prod request: EFHW. There's a game going on here.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #432 on: April 12, 2021, 03:50:54 pm »

Jimmmmm opens the game voting for Bright and says he’s no longer going to engage in RVS - which, while it is defined by the randomness of votes, doesn’t jive with the reality of his rather random posts.

The vote on WCD based on Pubby’s.... Bad? Good? Logic (it’s unclear what Jimmmmm was aiming for here) is scummy. But it’s also in line with how Jimmmmm has been the game: fairly unconcerned, treating it like a BM game and generally not engaging in any meaningful way - which is fine enough (BM game and all), but I can’t really decide if that makes him scummy or not.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #433 on: April 12, 2021, 03:51:57 pm »

YOU HAVE DAYCHAT WITH THESE PEOPLE.
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« Reply #434 on: April 12, 2021, 03:53:00 pm »

YOU HAVE DAYCHAT WITH THESE PEOPLE.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #435 on: April 12, 2021, 03:55:10 pm »

I am super frustrated with pubby right now, and to me it feels scummy because I know I am town. But I also kind of think that thinking his neighborhood is the only one is funny and that finding out there are others threw him. He offers no proof of his claim while denying mine. That is crooked.

But is it scummy? Ugh. I feel like my frustration is coloring my logic. And was that his evil plan??
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« Reply #436 on: April 12, 2021, 03:59:45 pm »

Swowl holds up a sign letting the town know that he is around for deadline.
He feels the urge to vote for pubby, but ultimately, has the feeling that such a far fetched push on WCD comes from town.
Swowl also feels an unwillingness to vote for WCD.

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« Reply #437 on: April 12, 2021, 04:05:49 pm »

Fine. For Swowl.

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« Reply #438 on: April 12, 2021, 04:12:23 pm »

I'm, inclined to agree with Swowl (wow, has that ever happened before?)


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« Reply #439 on: April 12, 2021, 04:13:10 pm »

Oh, and I'll be off and on for the next hour.

If I were to switch it would be for either pubby or EFHW.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #440 on: April 12, 2021, 04:18:44 pm »

The thing about Jimmmmm, is that he has several intentionally self-contradictory posts, saying the opposite of what he means:

Happy with a WCD lynch. Unvote
(That was an unvote from WCD, btw.)
Does anyone know when the deadline is? I'm off to bed soon so I should be around for it.
Deadline's in the morning for me. I normally sleep in past then, so I should be around for it if the Day's still going.

Which is fine and dandy for BM, I guess. Nice to have someone playing like that. Thank you Jimmmmm.
BUT... that means that his votes (and maybe occasional "PINL" statements like this:
Okay pubby's probably a better exile than Didds. PINL. Vote: pubby
... ) are the only things that tie him to any particular stance.

So that's my lurker exile of choice.

On the other hand, the things about Didds are:
- I think she is likely a Bad Dwarf. (Brief case: she didn't make much effort to fight her slowly growing wagon, instead relying on the "Doc" claim to save her. If she were town - in my limited experience she is good at arguing against her wagon as town. And so would not have needed to "out" herself. I think it is unlikely that Joth felt forced to give town alignment based on character name "Doc".)
- On the other hand she is active.
- Also I find myself believing her on many points, especially in this most recent argument with pubby about her neighbourhood.

So, do I have the courage of my convictions and go for active but scummy Didds. I don't know. I will try to understand pubby's argument...

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #441 on: April 12, 2021, 04:20:35 pm »

Haven't double checked, but seems likely Jimmmmm is on X-1 here.
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« Reply #442 on: April 12, 2021, 04:21:39 pm »

Given how the wagons are I have no problem with vote: Didds for now.
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« Reply #443 on: April 12, 2021, 04:22:05 pm »

Interesting point about Jim's contradictory statements, I think I had noticed one or more of them in passing, but good to put several together.

Is there a dwarf that lies? if so, is it possible to garner any hidden gems from other seemingly non contradictory statements?
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« Reply #444 on: April 12, 2021, 04:24:26 pm »

I'm getting vaccinated in about 15 min and don't think I'll be back in time for the deadline.
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« Reply #445 on: April 12, 2021, 04:25:00 pm »

Wow... good catch on the contradictions. I saw his answers to things as nonsense, but didn’t look much beyond that.
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« Reply #446 on: April 12, 2021, 04:25:28 pm »

I'm getting vaccinated in about 15 min and don't think I'll be back in time for the deadline.

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« Reply #447 on: April 12, 2021, 04:26:19 pm »

Interesting point about Jim's contradictory statements, I think I had noticed one or more of them in passing, but good to put several together.

Is there a dwarf that lies? if so, is it possible to garner any hidden gems from other seemingly non contradictory statements?
Well, he might like Pickles. Or not like them. I can't remember which way round he said it.
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« Reply #448 on: April 12, 2021, 04:26:34 pm »

Vote Count 1.5



Jimmmmm (5): Swowl, EFHW, mathdude, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta
WestCoastDidds (4): pubby, faust, Brightgalrs, infangthief
pubby (2): Awaclus, Jimmmmm
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Not voting: Galzria
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah, Ozle
I'm serious, definitely not playing and already modkilled even if he were: MiX


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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #449 on: April 12, 2021, 04:26:58 pm »

The Jimmmmm wagon is lame. I don't want to exile pubby. Didds is still a decent exile. I wish the Galzria wagon had persisted so there would be a good alternative to Didds.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #450 on: April 12, 2021, 04:27:21 pm »

And yes, neighbourhoods have different restrictions. In BM. Big deal? I don't get what the issue is.
It didn't use to be a big deal, but became one when no one acknowledged it as even a small deal.

So why are you voting Didds and not Pubby?

I would’ve been much more suspect if they were claimed to be the same mechanic. The fact that they’re different probably wasn’t talked about because it’s a complete null fact.
I think I've explained myself pretty well. I don't care (anymore? even when I did it was a "huh, that's kinda funky") about this game having two neighborhoods. I'm purely voting for a meta-reason, ie. no one jumped on Didds for their neighborhood having a different mechanic than pubby's. Yes, no one jumped on pubby either, but remember that he was reacting to Didds's partial claim.
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« Reply #451 on: April 12, 2021, 04:31:58 pm »

Didds has 3x the posts of Pubby & Jimmmmm combined. That’s somewhat expected, but still, it’s noteworthy that the most vocal players are often the most suspected players because they’re generating the most noise. Does Didds activity level say anything about her alignment?

Didds, looking back, how would you characterize this exchange?

Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?

Why is this a question for me??
Why is this not an answer for me???

Because it is an oddly specific question.
What are you worried about?

You!


In the following exchange, the same question asked from Math to faust, and the pursuing answer, seems to catch you off guard. I’m trying to put my finger on why these two exchanges feel off. Any thoughts?

And what is this good authority?  Did Joth actually confirm to you with PINL?
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Did you get yours with PINL?
No I didn't.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #452 on: April 12, 2021, 04:32:29 pm »

I'm starting to feel left out - no neighborhood!

Sorry for being scarce. I've lost enthusiasm for the Jimmmmm exile, but need to consider the alternatives.
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« Reply #453 on: April 12, 2021, 04:32:56 pm »

And yes, neighbourhoods have different restrictions. In BM. Big deal? I don't get what the issue is.
It didn't use to be a big deal, but became one when no one acknowledged it as even a small deal.

So why are you voting Didds and not Pubby?

I would’ve been much more suspect if they were claimed to be the same mechanic. The fact that they’re different probably wasn’t talked about because it’s a complete null fact.
I think I've explained myself pretty well. I don't care (anymore? even when I did it was a "huh, that's kinda funky") about this game having two neighborhoods. I'm purely voting for a meta-reason, ie. no one jumped on Didds for their neighborhood having a different mechanic than pubby's. Yes, no one jumped on pubby either, but remember that he was reacting to Didds's partial claim.

So, your problem with me is that I told the thread about my neighborhood and pubby has a neighborhood with different posting rules and someone should have noticed and that makes me scummy? I’m not following that logic at all.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #454 on: April 12, 2021, 04:34:50 pm »

I'll stay on Jimmmmm, since the alternative seems to be Didds. Who knows, maybe his funny answers were a way to post as scum.
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« Reply #455 on: April 12, 2021, 04:35:52 pm »

I’m not following that logic at all.
That's alright.
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« Reply #456 on: April 12, 2021, 04:37:41 pm »

Didds has 3x the posts of Pubby & Jimmmmm combined. That’s somewhat expected, but still, it’s noteworthy that the most vocal players are often the most suspected players because they’re generating the most noise. Does Didds activity level say anything about her alignment?

Didds, looking back, how would you characterize this exchange?

Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?

Why is this a question for me??
Why is this not an answer for me???

Because it is an oddly specific question.
What are you worried about?

You!


In the following exchange, the same question asked from Math to faust, and the pursuing answer, seems to catch you off guard. I’m trying to put my finger on why these two exchanges feel off. Any thoughts?

And what is this good authority?  Did Joth actually confirm to you with PINL?
Yes. Well, more or less. It's has to do with my role, so excuse me for not going into more detail.

Did you get yours with PINL?
No I didn't.

Oh, this is spicy!! Are our role posts lies?!

In the first one, faust had selected me to answer a question that felt to me like role fishing. I suspect that he was deliberately preying on me because I often volunteer too much.

The next quote was a full irl day later when I wasn’t as wary of faust (full disclosure, I misread Faust’s PINL != PIL wrong) and he seemed to be saying that he couldn’t trust his role.
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« Reply #457 on: April 12, 2021, 04:39:21 pm »

The thing about Jimmmmm, is that he has several intentionally self-contradictory posts, saying the opposite of what he means:

Happy with a WCD lynch. Unvote
(That was an unvote from WCD, btw.)
Does anyone know when the deadline is? I'm off to bed soon so I should be around for it.
Deadline's in the morning for me. I normally sleep in past then, so I should be around for it if the Day's still going.

Which is fine and dandy for BM, I guess. Nice to have someone playing like that. Thank you Jimmmmm.
BUT... that means that his votes (and maybe occasional "PINL" statements like this:
Okay pubby's probably a better exile than Didds. PINL. Vote: pubby
... ) are the only things that tie him to any particular stance.

So that's my lurker exile of choice.

On the other hand, the things about Didds are:
- I think she is likely a Bad Dwarf. (Brief case: she didn't make much effort to fight her slowly growing wagon, instead relying on the "Doc" claim to save her. If she were town - in my limited experience she is good at arguing against her wagon as town. And so would not have needed to "out" herself. I think it is unlikely that Joth felt forced to give town alignment based on character name "Doc".)
- On the other hand she is active.
- Also I find myself believing her on many points, especially in this most recent argument with pubby about her neighbourhood.

So, do I have the courage of my convictions and go for active but scummy Didds. I don't know. I will try to understand pubby's argument...

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This is a good post. It makes Jimmmmm far less random than I felt he was before.

Vote: Didds

I’m not convinced Didds is the better Exile here - and maybe I’m bias by volume - but Didds has more things that jump out as feeling off than Jimmmmm.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #458 on: April 12, 2021, 04:40:04 pm »

I’m not following that logic at all.
That's alright.
I'm not following it either. Care to explain any further?
pubby might have something, seems like he's holding back a lot of info.
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« Reply #459 on: April 12, 2021, 04:42:02 pm »

Right, phone call to make before it gets too late here. May or may not be back before deadline.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #460 on: April 12, 2021, 04:42:33 pm »

Swowl sets off fireworks that confirm that Didds has a QT with Day Chat with some amount of the 7 Dwarves within it.
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« Reply #461 on: April 12, 2021, 04:44:42 pm »

Jimmmmm (5): Swowl, EFHW, mathdude, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, Brightgalrs, infangthief, Galzria
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Well, that sucks....with Galz’s vote, it is done now. Jimmmm isn’t going to vote for himself

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #462 on: April 12, 2021, 04:44:53 pm »

The first half of the day, I saw a lot of things from Didds that were scummy, IMO.  In the second half, everything Didds has done seems reasonable from a town perspective, specifically one who has been under fire.  I'm not excusing what I saw at the beginning.  But I think right now, the active participants leave a much better option to get a further read on Didds tomorrow, compared to getting a good read on Jimmmmm tomorrow.  I find both very scummy.  And at least between night actions and/or more discussion tomorrow, I think we have a better shot at knowing the truth of Didds if we vote Jimmmmm out today (rather than the other way around).

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« Reply #463 on: April 12, 2021, 04:47:32 pm »

I’m sad. I like chatty games. And the folks for whom the daychat thing mattered (pubby and Brighty) don’t seem to be around.
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« Reply #464 on: April 12, 2021, 04:49:07 pm »

Galzy! Fang! Change your mind!
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« Reply #465 on: April 12, 2021, 04:53:46 pm »

Swowl sets off fireworks that confirm that Didds has a QT with Day Chat with some amount of the 7 Dwarves within it.

Ok, so either Swowl and Didds are going down swinging, saying the scum QT has daychat (whether or not it does).  Or else Didds is telling the truth and Swowl is there with her.
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« Reply #466 on: April 12, 2021, 04:54:48 pm »

Interesting fact - Jimmmmm is online now.
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« Reply #467 on: April 12, 2021, 04:55:04 pm »

Yes, Swowl is a 7 dwarf. I think Scola had already figured that out.
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« Reply #468 on: April 12, 2021, 04:56:08 pm »

Swowl sets off fireworks that confirm that Didds has a QT with Day Chat with some amount of the 7 Dwarves within it.

Unvote

Swowl - do you think that:

A) Didds is more likely to be town
B) Jimmmmm is more likely to be scum
C) Both A & B

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« Reply #469 on: April 12, 2021, 04:59:06 pm »

If this is what it comes down to, I'm going to vote: Didds
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« Reply #470 on: April 12, 2021, 04:59:15 pm »

Interesting fact - Jimmmmm is online now.

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« Reply #471 on: April 12, 2021, 04:59:44 pm »

With this (almost) stalemate, it makes me feel like either:
1. both are town, and scum doesn't care who gets exiled, or
2. both are scum, and scum can't change the wagon this late (just has to hope for no exile)

Also possible, though less likely... one is scum, the other is not, and partner(s) are already locked and can't sway the votes anymore.
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« Reply #472 on: April 12, 2021, 05:00:20 pm »

Swowl sets off fireworks that confirm that Didds has a QT with Day Chat with some amount of the 7 Dwarves within it.

Unvote

Swowl - do you think that:

A) Didds is more likely to be town
B) Jimmmmm is more likely to be scum
C) Both A & B

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Basically - are you voting Jimmmmm because you think he’s scum, or because you DON’T want Didds Exiled, or both?

Swowl writes a note to galz on a piece of parchment stating they think that the answer to their question is an in between.
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« Reply #473 on: April 12, 2021, 05:02:38 pm »

With this (almost) stalemate, it makes me feel like either:
1. both are town, and scum doesn't care who gets exiled, or
2. both are scum, and scum can't change the wagon this late (just has to hope for no exile)

Also possible, though less likely... one is scum, the other is not, and partner(s) are already locked and can't sway the votes anymore.

I think the third option is much more likely than the second.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #474 on: April 12, 2021, 05:05:40 pm »

With this (almost) stalemate, it makes me feel like either:
1. both are town, and scum doesn't care who gets exiled, or
2. both are scum, and scum can't change the wagon this late (just has to hope for no exile)

Also possible, though less likely... one is scum, the other is not, and partner(s) are already locked and can't sway the votes anymore.

I think the third option is much more likely than the second.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #475 on: April 12, 2021, 05:05:57 pm »

With this (almost) stalemate, it makes me feel like either:
1. both are town, and scum doesn't care who gets exiled, or
2. both are scum, and scum can't change the wagon this late (just has to hope for no exile)

Also possible, though less likely... one is scum, the other is not, and partner(s) are already locked and can't sway the votes anymore.

I think the third option is much more likely than the second.

It would seem odd and quite fortuitous if we had actually picked 2 correct on day 1, though I'm sure stranger things have happened.  Though I guess you are correct... with many people having not changed votes lately, some giving reasons for not changing last-minute (such as being busy, likely until deadline).  My gut told me that option 3 was less likely, but it is definitely possible too (obviously!)
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #476 on: April 12, 2021, 05:06:04 pm »

Swowl sets off fireworks that confirm that Didds has a QT with Day Chat with some amount of the 7 Dwarves within it.

Unvote

Swowl - do you think that:

A) Didds is more likely to be town
B) Jimmmmm is more likely to be scum
C) Both A & B

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Basically - are you voting Jimmmmm because you think he’s scum, or because you DON’T want Didds Exiled, or both?

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Vote: Jimmmmm

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #477 on: April 12, 2021, 05:07:42 pm »

Well I guess I better Vote: Didds, in case the mail comes today.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #478 on: April 12, 2021, 05:09:22 pm »

Swowl points out both players are at X-1 and there is no one off wagon. He thinks this to be true.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #479 on: April 12, 2021, 05:09:37 pm »

Well I guess I better Vote: Didds, in case the mail comes today.

Is that now a lock at 6-6?  Plus an extra (and strange) vote on EFHW?

And here's Jimmmmm again with an odd comment added to the post again.  Obviously something with the role, I'm guessing?  Or a way to keep things random, so any accidental scum-tells aren't as obvious?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #480 on: April 12, 2021, 05:09:57 pm »

Yes, Swowl is a 7 dwarf. I think Scola had already figured that out.

Funny thing is I was way off on who I thought Swowl was when I first suggested it.

Let's not exile Didds today. Whoever said we have a better chance of learning more from her activity is right.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #481 on: April 12, 2021, 05:10:41 pm »

Swowl wonders if Awaclus thinks it is more likely than the first

Probably about the same? I can't be assed to do the math but I think it's roughly as likely to pick 2 town or 1 town, 1 scum out of 3 scum and 9 town, which I'm assuming is the setup unless we get evidence of third parties existing. I don't think the fact that we have a "stalemate" is indicative in either direction.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #482 on: April 12, 2021, 05:11:41 pm »

How much time do we have?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #483 on: April 12, 2021, 05:12:03 pm »

Swowl wonders if Awaclus thinks it is more likely than the first

Probably about the same? I can't be assed to do the math but I think it's roughly as likely to pick 2 town or 1 town, 1 scum out of 3 scum and 9 town, which I'm assuming is the setup unless we get evidence of third parties existing. I don't think the fact that we have a "stalemate" is indicative in either direction.

I have to imagine with dwarfs from all sorts of stories, there has to be a 3rd party of some sort.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #484 on: April 12, 2021, 05:12:14 pm »

How much time do we have?

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #485 on: April 12, 2021, 05:12:20 pm »

Not much time it seems. Vote: Jimmmm
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #486 on: April 12, 2021, 05:12:25 pm »

Swowl wonders if Awaclus thinks it is more likely than the first

Probably about the same? I can't be assed to do the math but I think it's roughly as likely to pick 2 town or 1 town, 1 scum out of 3 scum and 9 town, which I'm assuming is the setup unless we get evidence of third parties existing. I don't think the fact that we have a "stalemate" is indicative in either direction.

I don't think random distribution or equal probabilities matter at this point.  I think there are enough interactions and reads that this is dependent probability (not independent).
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #487 on: April 12, 2021, 05:14:53 pm »

Sure, but we could very easily have a wagon on scum pushed by town, and another wagon on town primarily pushed by scum who managed to convince some townies. Or we could have scum on the town wagon, and scum also on the scum wagon. Or it could just be town and town.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #488 on: April 12, 2021, 05:15:52 pm »

I wonder if we get twilight.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #489 on: April 12, 2021, 05:17:14 pm »

I wonder if we get twilight.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #490 on: April 12, 2021, 05:18:35 pm »

Looks like we do.

@Jimmmmm: do you have anything useful to say while you have the chance?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #491 on: April 12, 2021, 05:21:16 pm »

@Jimmmmm: do you have anything useful to say while you have the chance?

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #492 on: April 12, 2021, 05:22:30 pm »

@Jimmmmm: do you have anything useful to say while you have the chance?

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #493 on: April 12, 2021, 05:24:49 pm »

When dwarves gather, it can get rowdy. This group of dwarves had spent all day yelling at each other until their beards turned blue about who could have been responsible for Beardy's murder.

One dwarf, who appeared to be joining via videoconferencing, kept saying strange things that didn't quite add up. The other dwarves decided they couldn't trust him, so they sent him away. And the Red Dwarf flew off, never to be heard from again.


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Jimmmmm (7): Swowl, EFHW, mathdude, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, Galzria, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, Brightgalrs, infangthief, Jimmmmm
EFHW (1):

Not voting:
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah, Ozle
I'm serious, definitely not playing and already modkilled even if he were: MiX


Jimmmmm has been exiled. He was Holly, the shipboard AI of the Red Dwarf. He was a GOOD DWARF.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - NIGHT ONE
« Reply #494 on: April 13, 2021, 03:02:21 pm »

Just a reminder that night actions are due in 2 hours and 15 minutes. There will be a 15-minute grace period, but anything received after 5:30 will not be processed. (PINL)
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #495 on: April 14, 2021, 04:50:07 pm »

Weirdly, shunning the mining vessel did not stop the killing. As the sun rose over Dwarfsburg or whatever I called it, the town was shocked to discover another of its bearded brethren taken down. Charms Professor Filius Flitwick was struck dead, wand in hand.

EFHW has been killed. She was Professor Flitwick, a GOOD DWARF

infangthief is floating above the ground. He is now loved. He takes one additional vote to exile.

pubby is now hated. He takes one less vote to exile.


Day 2 begins now and ends in five IRL days.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #496 on: April 14, 2021, 05:42:56 pm »

Swowl wonders if anyone has information regarding the weird EFHW vote count thing.
He also wonders if anyone else started getting mod messages in Norse.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #497 on: April 14, 2021, 07:05:58 pm »

Norse?!?!

No, I got nothing in Norse.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #498 on: April 14, 2021, 07:07:57 pm »

I didn't get anything in Norse either. I also don't know anything about EFHW.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #499 on: April 14, 2021, 07:08:40 pm »

Swowl wonders if anyone has information regarding the weird EFHW vote count thing.
He also wonders if anyone else started getting mod messages in Norse.
Swowl chuckles when he thinks about the time he spent on google to figure out it was Norse.


Did it make any sense (game wise) once translated?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #500 on: April 14, 2021, 07:33:39 pm »

Swowl wonders if anyone has information regarding the weird EFHW vote count thing.
He also wonders if anyone else started getting mod messages in Norse.
Swowl chuckles when he thinks about the time he spent on google to figure out it was Norse.


Did not receive anything in Norse (or any other language for that matter).
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #501 on: April 14, 2021, 08:50:58 pm »

Now it's starting to feel more like BM game. Unfortunately, I know nothing about the extra vote on EFHW or the Norse messages. Do we start looking back to yesterday's votes? Or does anyone actually have anything useful that came from the night?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #502 on: April 14, 2021, 08:52:40 pm »

I'm pretty sure pubby is scum.

Our neighborhood actually does have night chat, it was originally a mistake I made, but pubby obviously went with it. But here's the thing, after learning that it was a mistake, basically during yesterday's twilight, he says in the QT, paraphrasing, that it's a good thing if scum thinks our neighborhood only has day chat, because it makes us less threatening. It's such a stupid argument, I have to conclude he was trying to convince me of that so it wouldn't look strange when he avoids admitting the error.

He also suggested that we expand the neighborhood by adding faust. This points to faust being scum as well (with pubby suggesting we invite them so no one else can read the QT which is pretty incriminating).

His roleclaim (which he claimed in QT) is also not what I would expect from pubby and was pretty vague.

The whole pubby being "hated" thing has nothing to do with this, but is pretty convenient.

As for my role, I started in a neighborhood with no one in it and a cap at 2. Then each night I can choose to expand the cap by 2 or not. I (and anyone in the neighborhood) invites people during the day. You can either accept or reject the invite. And being in the neighborhood has some benefit which hasn't exactly been figured out yet.

The neighborhood has two more spots so I've invited Galzria and WestCoastDidds to confirm all this. Sorry, but I have to act fast since pubby himself can invite anyone he chooses, and as I said, there's limited spots.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #503 on: April 14, 2021, 09:06:01 pm »

Oooohhhhh.... that is super interesting.

I was on tilt yesterday because I was annoyed with pubby saying I was lying about something verifiably true. But if he’s scum, it makes much more sense. Especially if faust told him that needling me gets me all twisted up.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #504 on: April 14, 2021, 10:04:23 pm »

There’s a bit to process there. I’ve checked my QT but don’t have an invite yet, but that could be because Joth hasn’t checked in.

I’m in the 36 hour mark following my second vaccine dose, and while I haven’t had much in terms of a bad reaction, but I’m physically drained. What that means is: I’m headed home from work right now, but plan on making a cocktail, lying down, and doing a little more work until I fall asleep. I’ll keep checking for updated from Joth until then... but I might fall asleep first!
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #505 on: April 14, 2021, 10:05:16 pm »

Yeah okay, feel back-stabbed. If I was scum I would have just added faust to the fortress without asking you.

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This was in response to you wanting me to explain the day-chat/night-chat mix-up publicly. I didn't see the benefit to doing so, thus my comment.

I was on tilt yesterday because I was annoyed with pubby saying I was lying about something verifiably true.
Please define "verifiably true". As of today, there's been zero evidence that you actually have day chat.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #506 on: April 14, 2021, 10:18:42 pm »

I have two questions for Bright.

1. Why did you expand the fortress to 4 immediately after jimmm got lynched? Did you already have in mind the two people you wanted to add?

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #507 on: April 14, 2021, 10:20:57 pm »

I guess the third question would be, assuming I'm scum, for what benefit does adding faust bring? If we're buddies I could just relay everything said in the fortress to him at night. It would make more sense to add non-scum and push claims in private.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #508 on: April 14, 2021, 10:21:13 pm »

Yeah okay, feel back-stabbed. If I was scum I would have just added faust to the fortress without asking you.

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This was in response to you wanting me to explain the day-chat/night-chat mix-up publicly. I didn't see the benefit to doing so, thus my comment.

I was on tilt yesterday because I was annoyed with pubby saying I was lying about something verifiably true.
Please define "verifiably true". As of today, there's been zero evidence that you actually have day chat.

What more proof are going to require beyond another player collaborating the claim? Do you think Swowl & Didds are scum together?
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #509 on: April 14, 2021, 10:22:56 pm »

Yeah okay, feel back-stabbed. If I was scum I would have just added faust to the fortress without asking you.

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This was in response to you wanting me to explain the day-chat/night-chat mix-up publicly. I didn't see the benefit to doing so, thus my comment.

I was on tilt yesterday because I was annoyed with pubby saying I was lying about something verifiably true.
Please define "verifiably true". As of today, there's been zero evidence that you actually have day chat.

What more proof are going to require beyond another player corroborating the claim? Do you think Swowl & Didds are scum together?

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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #510 on: April 14, 2021, 10:23:18 pm »

Swowl sets off fireworks that confirm that Didds has a QT with Day Chat with some amount of the 7 Dwarves within it.
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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #511 on: April 14, 2021, 10:28:57 pm »

I missed that post, thanks.

I note that anytime anyone says something negative against Didds, you jump in, spam a bunch of "no u" and leave. Yesterday I thought didds, you and awaclus were scum. Today, I'm if questioning if you, didds, and swowl are the bad ones. The three of you voted jimmm, after all, with swowl starting it.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #512 on: April 14, 2021, 10:47:11 pm »

I missed that post, thanks.

I note that anytime anyone says something negative against Didds, you jump in, spam a bunch of "no u" and leave. Yesterday I thought didds, you and awaclus were scum. Today, I'm if questioning if you, didds, and swowl are the bad ones. The three of you voted jimmm, after all, with swowl starting it.

I strongly disagree. I think the only time I’ve ever really defended her was when her wagon shot up to X-1 early, and I called a bad wagon out for what it was. There was no case, there were bad arguments, and I thought it highly unlikely that wagon was on scum.

I didn’t think the existence of the wagon was bad. It helped me form reads on other people - reads I posted and stood by. And even then, I was essentially the deciding vote on exiling Didds (with Jimmmmm) not on her until Swowl came in to corroborate her claim.

Whereas you... pushed either no logic cases (see post 156), or very flawed cases (see your entire, incorrect justification for the rest of the game Day), and then apparently, according to Bright, upon learning your case was flawed and bad... you continued to want to support the lie you had yesterday privately instead of coming out with it publicly.

So yeah. That’s where I’m at with you.
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #513 on: April 14, 2021, 10:51:24 pm »

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This was in response to you wanting me to explain the day-chat/night-chat mix-up publicly. I didn't see the benefit to doing so, thus my comment.
Yeah, I know, but you remember that used that Day vote/Night vote mix up to justify your vote on Didds. Clearing that up should've been important to a Good Dwarf, even if it casts some suspicion on you. Yet, you tried to back away from doing your duty and that's where my suspicion comes from!
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #514 on: April 14, 2021, 11:32:57 pm »

Well I've thought of a way to verifiably prove if WCD has daychat with Swowl or not.

I've posted a secret message in Bright's fortress chat. I want Didds to relay this message to Swowl, and I want Swowl to post it today.

This will more or less settle if my attack on Didds is cool pubby beans or idiotic shut-up pubby beans.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #515 on: April 14, 2021, 11:40:06 pm »

Well I've thought of a way to verifiably prove if WCD has daychat with Swowl or not.

I've posted a secret message in Bright's fortress chat. I want Didds to relay this message to Swowl, and I want Swowl to post it today.

This will more or less settle if my attack on Didds is cool pubby beans or idiotic shut-up pubby beans.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #516 on: April 14, 2021, 11:49:30 pm »

Yeah okay, feel back-stabbed. If I was scum I would have just added faust to the fortress without asking you.

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This was in response to you wanting me to explain the day-chat/night-chat mix-up publicly. I didn't see the benefit to doing so, thus my comment.

I was on tilt yesterday because I was annoyed with pubby saying I was lying about something verifiably true.
Please define "verifiably true". As of today, there's been zero evidence that you actually have day chat.

What more proof are going to require beyond another player corroborating the claim? Do you think Swowl & Didds are scum together?

EBWOP

Even if they were scum together, why would they lie about having day chat there? Flipping it around, why would they make this up?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #517 on: April 15, 2021, 12:08:03 am »

Well I've thought of a way to verifiably prove if WCD has daychat with Swowl or not.

I've posted a secret message in Bright's fortress chat. I want Didds to relay this message to Swowl, and I want Swowl to post it today.

This will more or less settle if my attack on Didds is cool pubby beans or idiotic shut-up pubby beans.

Swowl finds no reason at this time not to agree to this... while also pointing out there is a pretty significant flaw with it.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #518 on: April 15, 2021, 12:09:47 am »

.... you jump in, spam a bunch of "no u" and leave....

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #519 on: April 15, 2021, 12:12:50 am »

Swowl wonders if there is a Twin Claim they have missed between Bright and Pubby?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #520 on: April 15, 2021, 12:54:01 am »

Vote: WestCoastDidds
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #521 on: April 15, 2021, 12:56:53 am »

Well I've thought of a way to verifiably prove if WCD has daychat with Swowl or not.

I've posted a secret message in Bright's fortress chat. I want Didds to relay this message to Swowl, and I want Swowl to post it today.

This will more or less settle if my attack on Didds is cool pubby beans or idiotic shut-up pubby beans.

Swowl finds no reason at this time not to agree to this... while also pointing out there is a pretty significant flaw with it.
Swowl offers one strawpenny to anyone that wants to point it out.

pubby and you could be scumpartners with daychat? Do I get a strawpenny?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #522 on: April 15, 2021, 01:00:34 am »

Whoever caused the hated/loved thing should claim.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #523 on: April 15, 2021, 01:05:06 am »

Swowl tosses faust TWO WHOLE STRAWPENNIES for coming up with an answer that they did not.
Swowl promises these have cash value *burp*-PIL
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #524 on: April 15, 2021, 01:10:18 am »

Swowl frustratingly kicks a random normal size bystander, bc eff them, and points out the same logic works for faust, or anyone else with shared access to the fortress thing.
What? Nono, I don't have access to any sort of fortress.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #525 on: April 15, 2021, 01:17:31 am »

Swowl apologizes, explaining they thought you were listed on the list of people that were to be invited to that thread.
Swowl also vocalizes that they were not calling faust out on this one, just making the point that anyone in the fortress thread thing could relay the message under the assumption that both Swowl and the other party were skum together.

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Swowl admits he was kind of wrong about his suspicion.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #526 on: April 15, 2021, 02:40:49 am »

I'm going to have limited availability the next few days, but my first thought, starting to read through, is that we really should not exile pubby today.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #527 on: April 15, 2021, 02:49:27 am »

Slightly complicated stuff to work through there, especially as I'd like a strawpenny, but starting with the simple things,

vote: Diddzria

Or actually if I have to pick one for now, vote: Galzria
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #528 on: April 15, 2021, 02:54:44 am »

Sure, sure.

Vote: Galzria
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #529 on: April 15, 2021, 03:23:23 am »

Infangthief finds Swowl's posting style strangely infectious and wonders if he can win a strawpenny by thinking that relaying the message might go against Swowl's posting style. Furthermore that the ban on quoting from QT's might also complicate things.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #530 on: April 15, 2021, 05:27:36 am »

Whoever caused the hated/loved thing should claim.

I don't know anything about the loved thing, but I might or might not know something about the hated thing.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #531 on: April 15, 2021, 06:44:58 am »

infangthief is floating above the ground. He is now loved. He takes one additional vote to exile.
Thank you all, I am touched.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #532 on: April 15, 2021, 06:49:42 am »

The neighborhood has two more spots so I've invited Galzria and WestCoastDidds to confirm all this. Sorry, but I have to act fast since pubby himself can invite anyone he chooses, and as I said, there's limited spots.
Have you thought carefully about who you're inviting to your neighbourhood, or are these just two random names you came up with quickly so you can act fast?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #533 on: April 15, 2021, 09:10:53 am »

Yeah okay, feel back-stabbed. If I was scum I would have just added faust to the fortress without asking you.

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This was in response to you wanting me to explain the day-chat/night-chat mix-up publicly. I didn't see the benefit to doing so, thus my comment.

I was on tilt yesterday because I was annoyed with pubby saying I was lying about something verifiably true.
Please define "verifiably true". As of today, there's been zero evidence that you actually have day chat.

Please don't quote from QTs in the main thread, or pretend to do so (not confirming which this was).
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #534 on: April 15, 2021, 09:14:41 am »

I just realized that pubby may have just quoted something from this thread. NEVER MIND
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #535 on: April 15, 2021, 09:20:28 am »

BTW I also just got my first shot yesterday and I'm a little zonked out today, so vote count may be a bit. But there will be one today. PINL.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #536 on: April 15, 2021, 10:09:49 am »

Whoever caused the hated/loved thing should claim.

I don't know anything about the loved thing, but I might or might not know something about the hated thing.
Hated is more important I'd think, as that is a person who specifically wants pubby to be easier to exile. It would be very helpful to know whether that comes from town or scum. I just kind of assumed that both came from the same source.
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« Reply #537 on: April 15, 2021, 10:28:08 am »

Whoever caused the hated/loved thing should claim.

I don't know anything about the loved thing, but I might or might not know something about the hated thing.
Hated is more important I'd think, as that is a person who specifically wants pubby to be easier to exile. It would be very helpful to know whether that comes from town or scum. I just kind of assumed that both came from the same source.

I believe it came from me, but I'm not at all sure. I targeted pubby with an ability that doesn't say anything about hated, but it does imply that it has mysterious unknown effects in addition to the part that is explicitly known.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #538 on: April 15, 2021, 11:25:28 am »

I miss Jimmmmmm's weird posts. (and yes I know I voted for him; still felt a better vote than on WCD)

I had nothing to do with hated or loved.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #539 on: April 15, 2021, 12:05:50 pm »

BTW I also just got my first shot yesterday and I'm a little zonked out today, so vote count may be a bit. But there will be one today. PINL.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #540 on: April 15, 2021, 12:10:27 pm »

BTW I also just got my first shot yesterday and I'm a little zonked out today, so vote count may be a bit. But there will be one today. PINL.
Whoever was responsible for vaccinating the mod should claim.
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« Reply #541 on: April 15, 2021, 12:24:19 pm »

BTW I also just got my first shot yesterday and I'm a little zonked out today, so vote count may be a bit. But there will be one today. PINL.

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« Reply #542 on: April 15, 2021, 12:32:56 pm »

BTW I also just got my first shot yesterday and I'm a little zonked out today, so vote count may be a bit. But there will be one today. PINL.

Where did you get it? I somehow managed to get Porter Square!

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #543 on: April 15, 2021, 02:09:39 pm »

Swowl pokes Pubby in the arm and informs them they have received the extremely strange message.
Swowl feels the need to make sure they will not get mod slapped for relaying it here before posting it.
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« Reply #544 on: April 15, 2021, 02:17:30 pm »

Ok, so this is what it's like to be alive D2 in a game!  Now I actually get to try to figure things out, rather than just read along.

Starting a brief summary of what has all happened since end of D1 (with some of my own commentary/opinions):

Jimmmmm (7): Swowl, EFHW, mathdude, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, Galzria, Awaclus
WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, Brightgalrs, infangthief, Jimmmmm
EFHW (1):

So Swowl, EFHW, me, Didds, pasta, Galz, and Awaclus exiled a Good Dwarf.  If Didds (the other wagon) is scum, then I'm guessing the other (assuming 2) scum are likely in this list, minus EFHW who flipped green.  In such a close vote, I don't suspect scum would have been on Didds unless they were MIA.  On the other hand, if Didds is town, I don't think it helps us either way (someone correct me if I'm wrong).  There was also an earlier wagon started (3 votes) on pubby which dissolved to make the Didds/Jimmmmm split - we can look back at that later, as we get closer to end of day if it seems relevant.

fang is loved.  pubby is hated.

Swowl got a weird mod message that required translation.  I think we're still waiting to hear what the content was, if it was at all useful.

Bright and pubby have a neighbourhood.  Bright thinks pubby is scum.  pubby wanted to invite faust, so Bright thinks faust is scum too.  The neighbourhood now has room for 2 more.  Presumably, Didds and Galz were invited.

I note that anytime anyone says something negative against Didds, you jump in, spam a bunch of "no u" and leave. Yesterday I thought didds, you and awaclus were scum. Today, I'm if questioning if you, didds, and swowl are the bad ones. The three of you voted jimmm, after all, with swowl starting it.
Swowl walks to the local dwarf library, checks out a copy of "Playing with Galzria", and mails it to pubby.

pubby thinks Galz is defending Didds.  I believe this is Swowl "saying" that's normal for Galz?  Can someone else confirm this for me, as I've never played with Galz before.

The first vote of the day and faust's first post of the day is solely a vote for Didds... no explanation (probably a carry over from the previous day?  Maybe something he learned at night?)

fang votes for Didds, then in the same post switches the vote to Galz.  faust immediately, and again without explanation, votes for Galz.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #545 on: April 15, 2021, 03:21:18 pm »

WestCoastDidds and Galzria are now in the neighborhood.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #546 on: April 15, 2021, 03:23:39 pm »

Ok maybe not "now", as they clearly accepted their invitations some time ago.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #547 on: April 15, 2021, 03:24:03 pm »

fang votes for Didds, then in the same post switches the vote to Galz.
It wasn't a vote for Didds, it was a vote for "Diddzria" which is an amalgamation of "Didds" and "Galzira", and my attempt to be funny while at the same time saying I think both Didds and Galzria are scum. It would have been an invalid vote (though with BM who knows?!).

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #548 on: April 15, 2021, 03:27:34 pm »

@Didds, did you have a choice about whether or not to accept the invitation? If so, what were your thought processes in deciding whether or not to accept?
@Galzria, same question.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #549 on: April 15, 2021, 04:23:24 pm »

Vote Count 2.1



Galzria (2): infangthief, faust

Not voting: Swowl, mathdude, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, Galzria, Awaclus, pubby, Brightgalrs,
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah, Ozle, Diddzria

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #550 on: April 15, 2021, 05:01:41 pm »

I think it's interest that fang and faust are so dead set on Galz and Didds (but I also don't recall them mentioning Swowl).
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« Reply #551 on: April 15, 2021, 06:27:01 pm »

Vote:
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« Reply #552 on: April 15, 2021, 10:06:04 pm »

Vote:

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #553 on: April 15, 2021, 10:17:45 pm »

I'm gonna place my vote on pubby now.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #554 on: April 15, 2021, 11:20:43 pm »

I believe it came from me, but I'm not at all sure. I targeted pubby with an ability that doesn't say anything about hated, but it does imply that it has mysterious unknown effects in addition to the part that is explicitly known.
Awaclus did target me, but I didn't receive any message about becoming hated. I do know part of Awaclus's effect though. It doesn't seem pro-town or pro-scum. If anything, it makes me suspect 3rd party.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #555 on: April 16, 2021, 12:15:50 am »

@Didds, did you have a choice about whether or not to accept the invitation? If so, what were your thought processes in deciding whether or not to accept?
@Galzria, same question.

Sorry all, busy day with work today.

Yes, it was a choice.

There were two reasons. The first has to do how the QT was presented to me via Joth - something I don’t want to go in to detail here (I assume Brighty knows more, but even now I’m only vaguely informed).

The second reason I’ll keep to myself - or at least, I’m not going to say more here.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #556 on: April 16, 2021, 01:10:50 am »

I think it's interest that fang and faust are so dead set on Galz and Didds (but I also don't recall them mentioning Swowl).
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« Reply #557 on: April 16, 2021, 01:48:09 am »

I think it's interest that fang and faust are so dead set on Galz and Didds (but I also don't recall them mentioning Swowl).
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« Reply #558 on: April 16, 2021, 01:58:33 am »

Vote: Awaclus
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #559 on: April 16, 2021, 02:40:23 am »

Prod request: Jimmmmm We'll get him this time eh?
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« Reply #560 on: April 16, 2021, 02:42:19 am »

I think it's interest that fang and faust are so dead set on Galz and Didds (but I also don't recall them mentioning Swowl).
Interesting that I haven't mentioned Swowl, or interesting that I think Galz and Didds are bad dwarves?
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« Reply #561 on: April 16, 2021, 03:28:26 am »

I think it's interest that fang and faust are so dead set on Galz and Didds (but I also don't recall them mentioning Swowl).
Swowl Swowl Swowl.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #562 on: April 16, 2021, 07:06:38 am »

Vote:

I'm confused by this. Can you not vote? Not vote publicly?

I'm voting for the person who voted for EFHW.
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« Reply #563 on: April 16, 2021, 07:07:43 am »

I believe it came from me, but I'm not at all sure. I targeted pubby with an ability that doesn't say anything about hated, but it does imply that it has mysterious unknown effects in addition to the part that is explicitly known.
Awaclus did target me, but I didn't receive any message about becoming hated. I do know part of Awaclus's effect though. It doesn't seem pro-town or pro-scum. If anything, it makes me suspect 3rd party.

I don't have any idea why you would think it's a 3rd party ability.
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« Reply #564 on: April 16, 2021, 08:02:13 am »

Vote:

I'm confused by this. Can you not vote? Not vote publicly?

I'm voting for the person who voted for EFHW.
This is funny. I wonder if it will work.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #565 on: April 16, 2021, 08:08:03 am »

The neighborhood has two more spots so I've invited Galzria and WestCoastDidds to confirm all this. Sorry, but I have to act fast since pubby himself can invite anyone he chooses, and as I said, there's limited spots.
Have you thought carefully about who you're inviting to your neighbourhood, or are these just two random names you came up with quickly so you can act fast?

@Brightgalrs, I'd like an answer to this please.
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« Reply #566 on: April 16, 2021, 08:25:25 am »

This is funny. I wonder if it will work.

I'm doing this to find out.
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« Reply #567 on: April 16, 2021, 08:26:10 am »

Request vote count by the way
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #568 on: April 16, 2021, 09:07:21 am »

@Didds, did you have a choice about whether or not to accept the invitation? If so, what were your thought processes in deciding whether or not to accept?
@Galzria, same question.

It was a choice. I love a qt, so I was inclined to accept and also I am super frustrated with pubby about all things “WCD is lying about her neighborhood” and I wanted to see how that all went down with Brighty.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #569 on: April 16, 2021, 04:50:34 pm »

The neighborhood has two more spots so I've invited Galzria and WestCoastDidds to confirm all this. Sorry, but I have to act fast since pubby himself can invite anyone he chooses, and as I said, there's limited spots.
Have you thought carefully about who you're inviting to your neighbourhood, or are these just two random names you came up with quickly so you can act fast?

@Brightgalrs, I'd like an answer to this please.
Galzria and Didds are both people pubby said (in the QT) he suspected as being scum. Awaclus was on that list too. Since I'm pretty sure pubby was trying to manipulate me, I've basically done the opposite of what he wants.
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« Reply #570 on: April 16, 2021, 09:11:30 pm »

Swowl appears like a freeking Dwarf-Beetlejuice out of no where. It is awesome. He hopes it makes up for his croaking voice and grinding teeth, as he has been awake for wayyyyy to long.
This was the secret message, so Didds does have daychat  :-[

My apologies Didds

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #571 on: April 17, 2021, 03:54:09 am »

I hope there's good chat happening in the neighbourhoods.

My neighborhood is day-only, and is a big enough game mechanic that makes me doubt there would be other neighborhoods in the game. I'm not saying there can't be a second one, but with what I know, a second neighborhood seems highly redundant from a game design point of view.

Hi Pubby, can you reveal any more about this big game mechanic and why you felt there couldn't be another neighbourhood? I mean, presumably at least 4 out of 10 people in the game know it now?
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« Reply #572 on: April 17, 2021, 04:09:41 am »

Vote: Didds

I’m not convinced Didds is the better Exile here - and maybe I’m bias by volume - but Didds has more things that jump out as feeling off than Jimmmmm.

Hi Galzria, what things had Didds said that felt off?
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« Reply #573 on: April 17, 2021, 04:12:37 am »

I missed that post, thanks.

I note that anytime anyone says something negative against Didds, you jump in, spam a bunch of "no u" and leave. Yesterday I thought didds, you and awaclus were scum. Today, I'm if questioning if you, didds, and swowl are the bad ones. The three of you voted jimmm, after all, with swowl starting it.

I strongly disagree. I think the only time I’ve ever really defended her was when her wagon shot up to X-1 early, and I called a bad wagon out for what it was. There was no case, there were bad arguments, and I thought it highly unlikely that wagon was on scum.

I didn’t think the existence of the wagon was bad. It helped me form reads on other people - reads I posted and stood by. And even then, I was essentially the deciding vote on exiling Didds (with Jimmmmm) not on her until Swowl came in to corroborate her claim.

Whereas you... pushed either no logic cases (see post 156), or very flawed cases (see your entire, incorrect justification for the rest of the game Day), and then apparently, according to Bright, upon learning your case was flawed and bad... you continued to want to support the lie you had yesterday privately instead of coming out with it publicly.

So yeah. That’s where I’m at with you.

What relevance did Swowl corroborating Didds claim have for you? (I bolded the part of your post that I'm referring to, but including the whole thing for context.)
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« Reply #574 on: April 17, 2021, 04:14:58 am »

The neighborhood has two more spots so I've invited Galzria and WestCoastDidds to confirm all this. Sorry, but I have to act fast since pubby himself can invite anyone he chooses, and as I said, there's limited spots.
Have you thought carefully about who you're inviting to your neighbourhood, or are these just two random names you came up with quickly so you can act fast?

@Brightgalrs, I'd like an answer to this please.
Galzria and Didds are both people pubby said (in the QT) he suspected as being scum. Awaclus was on that list too. Since I'm pretty sure pubby was trying to manipulate me, I've basically done the opposite of what he wants.

So pubby shared his scum reads with you in the neighbourhood. Did you share your scum reads with him too?
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« Reply #575 on: April 17, 2021, 06:34:15 am »

Hi friends! I have done life stuff going on this weekend. Our kid was in the hospital so we had to fly to ATL yesterday. She’s fine now, but we need to get her back to her dorm, etc.  I’ll be able to check in, but I’m not terribly aware.
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« Reply #576 on: April 17, 2021, 09:52:14 am »

Ok, it seems to be a very quiet D2 going on here, 65 hours in (just over 2.5 days).  I understand RL happens, but we at least need some stuff to work with, and I know I'm also guilty for not posting much.  Time for a D2 math-post-count - in order of the votes listed in Vote Count 1.6 (for lack of a better order):

(Post counts are done manually - I've tried to be accurate, but my apologies for any errors)
Swowl: 10 posts
mathdude: 4 posts
WestCoastDidds: 4 posts
scolapasta: 5 posts
Galzria: 7 posts
Awaclus: 8 posts
pubby: 7 posts
faust: 9 posts
Brightgalrs: 6 posts
infangthief: 16 posts

So, it actually seemed like there was less content than that.  But I guess there has been the Norse message, Bright calling out pubby, discussions about QTs (and an eventual confirmation/proof), brief pubby/Galz interaction, fang/faust voting, some weird Awaclus vote and discussion about his role possibly leading to pubby being Hated, and now a bunch of questions from fang... plus a gap of over 36 hours since the last official vote count, even though one was specifically requested by Awaclus over 25 hours ago.

However, there are a lot of cases where people post multiple posts in a row.  If each such instance was treated as a single post, rather than a string of 2 (or 3 or even 4) posts, here would be the vote count:

Swowl: 7 posts
mathdude: 4 posts
WestCoastDidds: 4 posts
scolapasta: 5 posts
Galzria: 5 posts
Awaclus: 6 posts
pubby: 5 posts
faust: 7 posts
Brightgalrs: 5 posts
infangthief: 8 posts

There we go... 4-8 "posts" for each of us in the last 2.5 days.  That's pretty sad, given how much there was on D1.  And it's not like the active players are gone - Jimmmmm and EFHW hadn't posted much.
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« Reply #577 on: April 17, 2021, 10:07:27 am »

I guess there has been the Norse message, Bright calling out pubby, discussions about QTs (and an eventual confirmation/proof), brief pubby/Galz interaction, fang/faust voting, some weird Awaclus vote and discussion about his role possibly leading to pubby being Hated, and now a bunch of questions from fang... plus a gap of over 36 hours since the last official vote count, even though one was specifically requested by Awaclus over 25 hours ago.

What do we actually have to work with?

I guess we have to decide who we agree with - Bright or pubby.  With what Bright said, I know personally I'd be much more likely to do that as Town than Scum - raising a suspicion publicly is a townie thing to do, whereas bringing out a false-read as publicly as that when not under fire seems unlikely.  Also, pubby going after Galz shortly after, trying to deflect attention, seems scummy.

Next, there's faust and fang both sticking with scum-reading Didds and Galz.  And pubby seems to support it.  To me, it looks like that means they're working together.  However, I doubt all 3 of them are scum, as it would be too obvious to all be working together like that (although, there is WIFOM).

And finally, I'd like to see some more discussion about Awaclus' role - I know it's BM, but does (supposedly) unknown ability to turn someone Hated seem helpful?  What other part of the role is there?  And I believe he was the one who hammered Jimmmmm too.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #578 on: April 17, 2021, 10:31:54 am »

And finally, I'd like to see some more discussion about Awaclus' role - I know it's BM, but does (supposedly) unknown ability to turn someone Hated seem helpful?  What other part of the role is there?

If I have an ability that turns someone hated, that is absolutely helpful because it means I effectively get 2 votes, which means that town still controls the simple majority of the vote in a situation that would otherwise be even (and therefore a win for scum). The problem is that it's possible it wasn't my ability that did this, and the bigger problem is that even if it was my ability, it's possible it does different things on different nights.

As far as I'm concerned, pubby can reveal the other part of the role if he wants.


And I believe he was the one who hammered Jimmmmm too.

I had no choice but to hammer himmmmm because we were about to hit the deadline, nobody on the Jimmmmm wagon showed any signs of being interested in moving over to Didds to get an exile through, and it didn't look like anyone else was concerned about the fact that we were about to hit the deadline.
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« Reply #579 on: April 17, 2021, 01:49:47 pm »

Vote Count 2.2



Galzria (2): infangthief, faust
pubby(1): Brightgalrs
Awaclus (1): Swowl

Not voting: mathdude, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, Galzria, Awaclus, pubby
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah, Ozle, Diddzria,

Jimmmmm has been prodded. Got em!

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« Reply #580 on: April 17, 2021, 02:04:49 pm »

Not playing: MiX, jotheonah, Ozle, Diddzria,

Cool.

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« Reply #581 on: April 17, 2021, 02:11:25 pm »

Vote:

I'm confused by this. Can you not vote? Not vote publicly?

I'm voting for the person who voted for EFHW.
This is funny. I wonder if it will work.

So, looks like it didn't work?
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« Reply #582 on: April 17, 2021, 03:31:18 pm »

Vote:

I'm confused by this. Can you not vote? Not vote publicly?

I'm voting for the person who voted for EFHW.
This is funny. I wonder if it will work.

So, looks like it didn't work?

Yes, for some values of work. I did manage to get it confirmed that  isn't playing the game.
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« Reply #583 on: April 17, 2021, 04:04:50 pm »

Awlaclus's ability made him become my secret admirer, giving us a tempory QT for today and tonight only.

The first thing he's said in the QT was asking if I was scum, which I found to be odd because a townie could ask the same thing publicly. So that's why I suspected he was 3rd party.
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« Reply #584 on: April 17, 2021, 04:20:10 pm »

There we go... 4-8 "posts" for each of us in the last 2.5 days.  That's pretty sad, given how much there was on D1.  And it's not like the active players are gone - Jimmmmm and EFHW hadn't posted much.
Indeed. The EFHW night kill seems odd. Like, odd to the extent that I wonder if the bad dwarves' target got altered in some way.
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« Reply #585 on: April 17, 2021, 04:24:30 pm »

Awlaclus's ability made him become my secret admirer, giving us a tempory QT for today and tonight only.

The first thing he's said in the QT was asking if I was scum, which I found to be odd because a townie could ask the same thing publicly. So that's why I suspected he was 3rd party.
And what was your answer?

Neighbourhoods and QT's all over the place! I guess dwarves are a sociable bunch.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #586 on: April 17, 2021, 06:47:32 pm »

Galzria and Didds are both people pubby said (in the QT) he suspected as being scum. Awaclus was on that list too. Since I'm pretty sure pubby was trying to manipulate me, I've basically done the opposite of what he wants.

So pubby shared his scum reads with you in the neighbourhood. Did you share your scum reads with him too?
Yeah sorta, with the whole day chat/night chat thing with Didds yesterday. I laid that out in the QT before posting here.
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« Reply #587 on: April 17, 2021, 07:00:19 pm »

Alright. Well. I’ll get to some VCA stuff tonight when I get home.

Update for the thread - I asked the people in Bright’s QT to prod me last night to see if that would cause an extra vote on me the same way it did for EFHW yesterday but nobody apparently wanted to (or didn’t check in before Joth posted his daily VC).
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« Reply #588 on: April 17, 2021, 08:05:42 pm »

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« Reply #589 on: April 17, 2021, 09:36:27 pm »

Since my role is usually to come with crazy scum themes, is it possible Bright and pubby are BOTH scum?
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« Reply #590 on: April 17, 2021, 09:37:12 pm »

Since my role is usually to come up with crazy scum theories, is it possible Bright and pubby are BOTH scum?

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« Reply #591 on: April 18, 2021, 01:30:37 am »

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10. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except in their Role QT. An exiled player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.

wut

Wait, so Jimmmmm is still alive?

Since my role is usually to come up with crazy scum theories, is it possible Bright and pubby are BOTH scum?

EBWOP

The thought has crossed my mind as well.  And I'm glad this is your usual "role" in the game, because I tend to think the same thing - trying to work out every possible angle, but I figured if one of the new guys came posting such, it would likely come across scummy rather than just part of my analysis/post style.

Anyway, yes, it's crossed my mind.  I think it's possible - and it would be very clever to put distance between fellow scum-buddies.  However, I don't think it's likely, as there seemed to be no reason to instigate such a "problem" here.  By doing this, it likely gets one exiled, and the other gets town-cred.  But trying to ride the day without getting one of your own exiled seems much more likely unless one starts coming under fire for something else first. 

Four scenarios:
1) Bright is scum, pubby is not - I think this is possible.
2) pubby is scum, Bright is not - I think this is likely.
3) They are both scum - I think this is possible, but not likely.
4) Neither is scum - also possible.

I'm inclined to say the best strategy is to pick of them to exile today.  If it's scenario 1, 2, or 3, we could hit scum tonight.  If 1 or 2, and we get lucky or a good read, I think this is best case.  We move on tomorrow based on where else things lead.  If it's 1 or 2 and we pick wrong today, then we hope for a Vig kill tonight or we exile the other tomorrow.  If it's 3 and we move elsewhere tomorrow, there's still a chance we could realize this before the game ends.  But this is why it could have been a good power move by them to plan for longevity in the game for one of them.  If it's 4, then we could be in trouble, especially if we spend 2 kills on them.

After working through this logic, I'm going to throw out my vote today and see what other discussion ensues.

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« Reply #592 on: April 18, 2021, 01:41:14 am »

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« Reply #593 on: April 18, 2021, 04:19:09 am »

I've been sort of absent, sorry! Things have been busy. Will try to do something now.
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« Reply #594 on: April 18, 2021, 04:19:43 am »

Since my role is usually to come with crazy scum themes, is it possible Bright and pubby are BOTH scum?
Uhhh your role is to play the Imperial March?
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« Reply #595 on: April 18, 2021, 04:26:13 am »

Anyway, yes, it's crossed my mind.  I think it's possible - and it would be very clever to put distance between fellow scum-buddies.  However, I don't think it's likely, as there seemed to be no reason to instigate such a "problem" here.  By doing this, it likely gets one exiled, and the other gets town-cred.  But trying to ride the day without getting one of your own exiled seems much more likely unless one starts coming under fire for something else first. 

Four scenarios:
1) Bright is scum, pubby is not - I think this is possible.
2) pubby is scum, Bright is not - I think this is likely.
3) They are both scum - I think this is possible, but not likely.
4) Neither is scum - also possible.

I'm inclined to say the best strategy is to pick of them to exile today.  If it's scenario 1, 2, or 3, we could hit scum tonight.  If 1 or 2, and we get lucky or a good read, I think this is best case.  We move on tomorrow based on where else things lead.  If it's 1 or 2 and we pick wrong today, then we hope for a Vig kill tonight or we exile the other tomorrow.  If it's 3 and we move elsewhere tomorrow, there's still a chance we could realize this before the game ends.  But this is why it could have been a good power move by them to plan for longevity in the game for one of them.  If it's 4, then we could be in trouble, especially if we spend 2 kills on them.

After working through this logic, I'm going to throw out my vote today and see what other discussion ensues.

Vote: pubby
How is this even logic? All you have done here, as far as I can see, is started with the assumption of "pubby is likely scum" and ended with the conclusion that pubby is likely scum. Everything between that is just a big blob of nothing.
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« Reply #596 on: April 18, 2021, 05:18:57 am »

Okay, it seems that we need to deal with the whole pubby/Brightgalrs saga. It kind of annoys me, but I'll try to reread to see what is going on there.

The seeds, it seems, are laid at #304 - pubby claims to be in a neighborhood with Daychat only. This seems pretty much unprompted. At this time Didds had claimed that the 7 dwarfs neighborhood was open at all times.
pubby's claim is ignored initially.
pubby, having been largely in a jokey mood before, get more into it in #388, explaining his scumread on Didds. Then reminds everyone of the Neighborhood claim in #401. Brightgalrs did not post in between from what i can see.
Then, in +405, Brightgalrs replies and uses the (supposed) fact that the Neighborhoods have different times of being open as evidence against Didds. This does not make much sense to begin with, even less with what we learn after.
It#s worthwile to note that at #414, Galzria suggests that the evidence could be used against pubby just as well as against Didds. This is an interesting point, considering that Brightgalrs switched from pubby to Didds.
At #420, pubby explains his theory that the 7 dwarfs Neighbohood is actually the scum QT. This is a pretty ridiculous theory, but it's out there enough that i feel scum wouldn't come up with it. he also proceeds to call the scumteam.
ladida, we go on to exile Jimmmmm. yay.
At the start of D2, Brightgalrs suddenly comes in with suspicion on pubby. This is probably worth quoting so here:
I'm pretty sure pubby is scum.

Our neighborhood actually does have night chat, it was originally a mistake I made, but pubby obviously went with it. But here's the thing, after learning that it was a mistake, basically during yesterday's twilight, he says in the QT, paraphrasing, that it's a good thing if scum thinks our neighborhood only has day chat, because it makes us less threatening. It's such a stupid argument, I have to conclude he was trying to convince me of that so it wouldn't look strange when he avoids admitting the error.

He also suggested that we expand the neighborhood by adding faust. This points to faust being scum as well (with pubby suggesting we invite them so no one else can read the QT which is pretty incriminating).

His roleclaim (which he claimed in QT) is also not what I would expect from pubby and was pretty vague.

The whole pubby being "hated" thing has nothing to do with this, but is pretty convenient.

As for my role, I started in a neighborhood with no one in it and a cap at 2. Then each night I can choose to expand the cap by 2 or not. I (and anyone in the neighborhood) invites people during the day. You can either accept or reject the invite. And being in the neighborhood has some benefit which hasn't exactly been figured out yet.

The neighborhood has two more spots so I've invited Galzria and WestCoastDidds to confirm all this. Sorry, but I have to act fast since pubby himself can invite anyone he chooses, and as I said, there's limited spots.
So the reason pubby is scum is... Brightgalrs did not like an argument pubby did. Plus apparently some claim-related things that we're supposed to take on good faith. No thanks.

pubby then comes up with a convoluted way for Didds to prove she has Dachat to disprove his own convoluted theory. This at least looks like genuine information-gathering there, and if he really believed what he claimed is the right way to go about things.

All in all... there is a whole lot of nothing here. pubby is town unless Birghtgalrs (or others who now have access to the QT I guess) wants to share details about what makes his claim unbelievable.
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« Reply #597 on: April 18, 2021, 05:19:50 am »

I've got to Vote: mathdude now.
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« Reply #598 on: April 18, 2021, 05:20:34 am »

The first thing he's said in the QT was asking if I was scum
I would have been shocked to hear anything else. This is 100% Awaclus meta.
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« Reply #599 on: April 18, 2021, 05:24:00 am »

We also still have no confirmation about the loved/hated thing; it may well be that pubby is hated due to scum actions, which means scum wants him dead.
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« Reply #600 on: April 18, 2021, 07:15:19 am »

It would help with confirming the loved/hated thing if pubby could say whether anything else happened to him that could have conceivably been the unknown part of my ability.
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« Reply #601 on: April 18, 2021, 07:22:47 am »

I have a clarifying question about the fortress QT: Do the new people also see all prior posts? Because in that case there would already be 4 people aware of pubby's claim and we could just as well make it public.
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« Reply #602 on: April 18, 2021, 07:28:52 am »

I'm also aware of pubby's flavor claim.
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« Reply #603 on: April 18, 2021, 07:42:24 am »

I'm also aware of pubby's flavor claim.
Seemed like Bright knew more than just flavor.
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« Reply #604 on: April 18, 2021, 07:43:37 am »

I'm also aware of pubby's flavor claim.
Seemed like Bright knew more than just flavor.

I don't.
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« Reply #605 on: April 18, 2021, 08:09:24 am »

At #420, pubby explains his theory that the 7 dwarfs Neighbohood is actually the scum QT. This is a pretty ridiculous theory, but it's out there enough that i feel scum wouldn't come up with it.
Yes, it seems so awful that I've been assuming pubby had more reason for believing it than he's given so far.

@pubby could you answer my question at #571 please? Or I don't know, I suppose Brightgalrs you could probably answer too, as it seems you came up with the theory together.
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« Reply #606 on: April 18, 2021, 08:13:58 am »

And while I'm referring back to my earlier questions, I think about 50% of the things I find scummy about Galzria at this point are summed up by my questions to him in #572 and #573.
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« Reply #607 on: April 18, 2021, 08:19:18 am »

I have a clarifying question about the fortress QT: Do the new people also see all prior posts? Because in that case there would already be 4 people aware of pubby's claim and we could just as well make it public.

Goes all the way back. What information is it that we’re trying to verify?
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« Reply #608 on: April 18, 2021, 08:38:29 am »

I have a clarifying question about the fortress QT: Do the new people also see all prior posts? Because in that case there would already be 4 people aware of pubby's claim and we could just as well make it public.

Goes all the way back. What information is it that we’re trying to verify?
This:
His roleclaim (which he claimed in QT) is also not what I would expect from pubby and was pretty vague.
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« Reply #609 on: April 18, 2021, 10:43:46 am »

@pubby could you answer my question at #571 please? Or I don't know, I suppose Brightgalrs you could probably answer too, as it seems you came up with the theory together.
Anyone in the fortress can invite anyone else. So it grows fast and can involve most of the players within a few days. But also Bright's entire claimed role is as the head of this fortress. Seemed like Bright's role is pretty mehhh if there are other neighborhoods already in the game, unless he's hiding a bigger role.
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« Reply #610 on: April 18, 2021, 10:45:27 am »

It would help with confirming the loved/hated thing if pubby could say whether anything else happened to him that could have conceivably been the unknown part of my ability.
I didn't receive any message last night besides your invite to the QT, which was mandatory. I don't know anything about why I'm now hated.
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« Reply #611 on: April 18, 2021, 11:22:36 am »

Anyway, yes, it's crossed my mind.  I think it's possible - and it would be very clever to put distance between fellow scum-buddies.  However, I don't think it's likely, as there seemed to be no reason to instigate such a "problem" here.  By doing this, it likely gets one exiled, and the other gets town-cred.  But trying to ride the day without getting one of your own exiled seems much more likely unless one starts coming under fire for something else first. 

Four scenarios:
1) Bright is scum, pubby is not - I think this is possible.
2) pubby is scum, Bright is not - I think this is likely.
3) They are both scum - I think this is possible, but not likely.
4) Neither is scum - also possible.

I'm inclined to say the best strategy is to pick of them to exile today.  If it's scenario 1, 2, or 3, we could hit scum tonight.  If 1 or 2, and we get lucky or a good read, I think this is best case.  We move on tomorrow based on where else things lead.  If it's 1 or 2 and we pick wrong today, then we hope for a Vig kill tonight or we exile the other tomorrow.  If it's 3 and we move elsewhere tomorrow, there's still a chance we could realize this before the game ends.  But this is why it could have been a good power move by them to plan for longevity in the game for one of them.  If it's 4, then we could be in trouble, especially if we spend 2 kills on them.

After working through this logic, I'm going to throw out my vote today and see what other discussion ensues.

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How is this even logic? All you have done here, as far as I can see, is started with the assumption of "pubby is likely scum" and ended with the conclusion that pubby is likely scum. Everything between that is just a big blob of nothing.

I started with what I'm assuming - it looks to me like pubby is scum.  Then I run through my logic, that went into and out of my head, and arrive at the conclusion, so you can all see what I'm thinking, rather than blindly posting a vote (like some people seem to think is acceptable logic).  Would you rather I just do that?

I believe it's much more likely that one of pubby/Bright is scum, as opposed to both or neither.  I've said already, but if both, then I don't think it would have been wise to bring up something that's likely to get one of them exiled.  As for whether it could be neither - we don't have many other reads going here for D2, and it's been said pubby and Bright both know each other well, so if one is scum-reading the other, I'm inclined to at least go along for a bit and see where it leads.  Also, with people like faust jumping in to defend pubby, it makes me wonder if they're in it together.  The problem is, I don't know which one it is.  There are scum-reasons for both pubby and Bright, but there are also town-reasons for both.
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« Reply #612 on: April 18, 2021, 11:27:46 am »

I believe it's much more likely that one of pubby/Bright is scum, as opposed to both or neither.
But why do you believe that?
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« Reply #613 on: April 18, 2021, 11:29:51 am »

Oh I see, you're basically renouncing any responsibility for that read by saying that you'e just following their scumreads. Great.

I'm not sure pubby is actually scumreading Bright. Is that the case?
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« Reply #614 on: April 18, 2021, 11:32:07 am »

I believe it's much more likely that one of pubby/Bright is scum, as opposed to both or neither.
But why do you believe that?

He does answer that in the next sentence, no? You may not agree with his reasons, but he did put it out there.
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« Reply #615 on: April 18, 2021, 11:32:48 am »

I believe it's much more likely that one of pubby/Bright is scum, as opposed to both or neither.
But why do you believe that?

He does answer that in the next sentence, no? You may not agree with his reasons, but he did put it out there.

OK, maybe not next sentence, but the rest of the paragraph.
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« Reply #616 on: April 18, 2021, 11:35:20 am »

I believe it's much more likely that one of pubby/Bright is scum, as opposed to both or neither.
But why do you believe that?

He does answer that in the next sentence, no? You may not agree with his reasons, but he did put it out there.

OK, maybe not next sentence, but the rest of the paragraph.
yes, and I addressed that reasoning in my follow-up post.
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« Reply #617 on: April 18, 2021, 11:43:09 am »

I believe it's much more likely that one of pubby/Bright is scum, as opposed to both or neither.
But why do you believe that?

He does answer that in the next sentence, no? You may not agree with his reasons, but he did put it out there.

OK, maybe not next sentence, but the rest of the paragraph.
yes, and I addressed that reasoning in my follow-up post.

You did, sorry. I must have just clicked through the PPE on auto pilot.
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« Reply #618 on: April 18, 2021, 01:03:21 pm »

I started with what I'm assuming - it looks to me like pubby is scum.  Then I run through my logic, that went into and out of my head, and arrive at the conclusion, so you can all see what I'm thinking, rather than blindly posting a vote (like some people seem to think is acceptable logic).  Would you rather I just do that?

Yes, actually. It's harder for scum to defend against accusations when they don't know what the accusations are.
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« Reply #619 on: April 18, 2021, 01:32:21 pm »

Oh I see, you're basically renouncing any responsibility for that read by saying that you'e just following their scumreads. Great.

I'm not sure pubby is actually scumreading Bright. Is that the case?

I've said why I believe 1 is more likely than both.

As for why 1 more likely than 0, I'm guessing. It sounds bad, but yes. I have nothing better. It's at least something to go on, and definitely get future reads based on these polarizing opinions.

Let's assume we flip pubby. If he's scum, you will be a possible target tomorrow. If he's town, it will be between me and Bright tomorrow, most likely. There's similar logic if we flip Bright today. So unless someone has a better lead, I'll keep pushing here.

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« Reply #620 on: April 18, 2021, 01:44:32 pm »

I have a clarifying question about the fortress QT: Do the new people also see all prior posts? Because in that case there would already be 4 people aware of pubby's claim and we could just as well make it public.

Goes all the way back. What information is it that we’re trying to verify?
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His roleclaim (which he claimed in QT) is also not what I would expect from pubby and was pretty vague.

Pubbys claim is very hazy. I actually have no idea what it means. You can try to decipher it:

If we exile scum, he throws a parade.
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« Reply #621 on: April 18, 2021, 01:49:06 pm »

Eh. That's actually a pretty towny claim.

Let's try vote: Brightgalrs instead.
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« Reply #622 on: April 18, 2021, 01:50:03 pm »

Eh. That's actually a pretty towny claim.

How so?
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« Reply #623 on: April 18, 2021, 01:55:43 pm »

Eh. That's actually a pretty towny claim.

How so?

1) It's very consistent with his flavor claim, which, as mentioned before, I know
2) It doesn't make sense for scum to have that ability
3) It doesn't sound like he made it up, and if he did, we will find out as soon as we exile scum and no parade gets thrown
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« Reply #624 on: April 18, 2021, 01:57:29 pm »

I started with what I'm assuming - it looks to me like pubby is scum.  Then I run through my logic, that went into and out of my head, and arrive at the conclusion, so you can all see what I'm thinking, rather than blindly posting a vote (like some people seem to think is acceptable logic).  Would you rather I just do that?

Yes, actually. It's harder for scum to defend against accusations when they don't know what the accusations are.

That's a decent counterpoint. But I think we'll still have to agree to disagree. Responding to a blank vote will be more inclined to show meta than alignment. Some people freeze whether town or scum. Others have no problem responding either way.

I think it's also easy for scum to hide behind a blind vote, since there's almost no accountability and definitely no follow-up. Actually discussing leads, opinions, scum-reads gives us more to reference later to find who is who.
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« Reply #625 on: April 18, 2021, 01:59:59 pm »

Eh. That's actually a pretty towny claim.

How so?

1) It's very consistent with his flavor claim, which, as mentioned before, I know
2) It doesn't make sense for scum to have that ability
3) It doesn't sound like he made it up, and if he did, we will find out as soon as we exile scum and no parade gets thrown

Is Parade some ability that others known what it would be? Or are you inferring that it's at least "something' based on his flavor claim?
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« Reply #626 on: April 18, 2021, 02:05:18 pm »

I started with what I'm assuming - it looks to me like pubby is scum.  Then I run through my logic, that went into and out of my head, and arrive at the conclusion, so you can all see what I'm thinking, rather than blindly posting a vote (like some people seem to think is acceptable logic).  Would you rather I just do that?

Yes, actually. It's harder for scum to defend against accusations when they don't know what the accusations are.

That's a decent counterpoint. But I think we'll still have to agree to disagree. Responding to a blank vote will be more inclined to show meta than alignment. Some people freeze whether town or scum. Others have no problem responding either way.

I think it's also easy for scum to hide behind a blind vote, since there's almost no accountability and definitely no follow-up. Actually discussing leads, opinions, scum-reads gives us more to reference later to find who is who.

I tend to be on this side of the debate here as well. I think we all know that.
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« Reply #627 on: April 18, 2021, 02:07:02 pm »

Is Parade some ability that others known what it would be? Or are you inferring that it's at least "something' based on his flavor claim?

I don't know what it is, but if it wasn't at least something, he wouldn't have that ability.
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« Reply #628 on: April 18, 2021, 02:10:43 pm »

Is Parade some ability that others known what it would be? Or are you inferring that it's at least "something' based on his flavor claim?

I don't know what it is, but if it wasn't at least something, he wouldn't have that ability.

Then what exactly do you mean by this:

2) It doesn't make sense for scum to have that ability

If we don't know what the ability is, then why wouldn't it make sense for scum to have?
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« Reply #629 on: April 18, 2021, 02:13:38 pm »

Is Parade some ability that others known what it would be? Or are you inferring that it's at least "something' based on his flavor claim?

I don't know what it is, but if it wasn't at least something, he wouldn't have that ability.

Then what exactly do you mean by this:

2) It doesn't make sense for scum to have that ability

If we don't know what the ability is, then why wouldn't it make sense for scum to have?

Why would scum throw a parade when they exile one of their own?
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« Reply #630 on: April 18, 2021, 02:20:47 pm »

Is Parade some ability that others known what it would be? Or are you inferring that it's at least "something' based on his flavor claim?

I don't know what it is, but if it wasn't at least something, he wouldn't have that ability.

Then what exactly do you mean by this:

2) It doesn't make sense for scum to have that ability

If we don't know what the ability is, then why wouldn't it make sense for scum to have?

Why would scum throw a parade when they exile one of their own?

I guess it really depends on what it means - A funeral procession can be a sort of a parade. Or he's some kind of sadistic dwarf scum.

Without understanding more (and again you have more info than i do, knowing his flavor), anything is possible.
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« Reply #631 on: April 18, 2021, 02:20:56 pm »

Awaclus is reading that much more charitably than I am.

I don't know what throwing a parade means, but it doesn't sound like anything, really. I find it hard to be believe that in a bastard game pubby has no powers, but the parade is all that he claimed. It sounds pro-town if you like parades, but it could be some kind of backlash mechanism that is super scummy. Having lived for years in a tourist town, I hate the traffic, parking problems, and general aggravation that is a parade but maybe that is just my cynical self.

Interestingly, Brighty didn't probe him at all about it.
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« Reply #632 on: April 18, 2021, 02:24:58 pm »

I guess it really depends on what it means - A funeral procession can be a sort of a parade. Or he's some kind of sadistic dwarf scum.

The parade his character throws is nothing like a funeral procession.
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« Reply #633 on: April 18, 2021, 02:57:16 pm »

Awaclus is reading that much more charitably than I am.

I don't know what throwing a parade means, but it doesn't sound like anything, really. I find it hard to be believe that in a bastard game pubby has no powers, but the parade is all that he claimed. It sounds pro-town if you like parades, but it could be some kind of backlash mechanism that is super scummy. Having lived for years in a tourist town, I hate the traffic, parking problems, and general aggravation that is a parade but maybe that is just my cynical self.

Interestingly, Brighty didn't probe him at all about it.
Did pubby explicitly say that he had no other powers?
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« Reply #634 on: April 18, 2021, 02:58:20 pm »

pubby's ability makes more sense as an "only ability" than the one Brightgalrs claimed anyways.
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« Reply #635 on: April 18, 2021, 03:04:13 pm »

I would love some explanation why Brightgalrs thought this claim was scummy.

And then I want exile scum and have my parade!
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« Reply #636 on: April 18, 2021, 03:34:09 pm »

@pubby could you answer my question at #571 please? Or I don't know, I suppose Brightgalrs you could probably answer too, as it seems you came up with the theory together.
Anyone in the fortress can invite anyone else. So it grows fast and can involve most of the players within a few days. But also Bright's entire claimed role is as the head of this fortress. Seemed like Bright's role is pretty mehhh if there are other neighborhoods already in the game, unless he's hiding a bigger role.
Ok, thanks for answering. By the way, is Bright the only one who can decide whether or not to expand the fortress?
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« Reply #637 on: April 18, 2021, 03:36:21 pm »

@Bright, maybe you've given this information already, but I don't recall: why did you pick pubby as your first neighbour?
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« Reply #638 on: April 18, 2021, 03:49:10 pm »

Awaclus is reading that much more charitably than I am.

I don't know what throwing a parade means, but it doesn't sound like anything, really. I find it hard to be believe that in a bastard game pubby has no powers, but the parade is all that he claimed. It sounds pro-town if you like parades, but it could be some kind of backlash mechanism that is super scummy. Having lived for years in a tourist town, I hate the traffic, parking problems, and general aggravation that is a parade but maybe that is just my cynical self.

Interestingly, Brighty didn't probe him at all about it.
Did pubby explicitly say that he had no other powers?

No. I have the gist of all he said, and thereby weren’t any follow up questions
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« Reply #639 on: April 18, 2021, 03:49:39 pm »

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« Reply #640 on: April 18, 2021, 05:35:07 pm »

Swowl walks in all like "oh yeah this game".
Swowl Apologizes. He ensures everyone that he has been reading along and thinks that there is just a ton of focus on shit that doesn't matter.
Swowl however, has nothing better to talk about really.
Swowl agrees with Awaclus' thoughts on the Pubby-Parade ability thing.

Swowl lays down and takes a nap. The town is sure he will be back later once he awakens.

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« Reply #641 on: April 18, 2021, 07:31:05 pm »

@Bright, maybe you've given this information already, but I don't recall: why did you pick pubby as your first neighbour?
He's my friend IRL so it was nepotism at work.
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« Reply #642 on: April 18, 2021, 07:35:42 pm »

My only power is the parade thing.
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« Reply #643 on: April 18, 2021, 08:58:05 pm »

Pubby, what is your opinion of brighty?
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« Reply #644 on: April 18, 2021, 11:39:42 pm »

Ok, thanks for answering. By the way, is Bright the only one who can decide whether or not to expand the fortress?
Yeah.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #645 on: April 19, 2021, 01:05:25 am »

I believe deadline is 16 hours away and we're not seeming to get very far.  Day exiles are generally our best shot at finding scum (along with Vigilante possibilities), so let's see what the next few hours bring as people wake up for the day.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #646 on: April 19, 2021, 01:18:35 am »

Vote: Bright
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
We're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #647 on: April 19, 2021, 01:19:45 am »

Ok, thanks for answering. By the way, is Bright the only one who can decide whether or not to expand the fortress?
Yeah.
Will you also answer my question at some point?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #648 on: April 19, 2021, 01:20:43 am »

Vote: Bright
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
We're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?

It's a scummy reason but it's a pretty good vote.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #649 on: April 19, 2021, 01:25:05 am »

Vote: Bright
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
We're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?

It's a scummy reason but it's a pretty good vote.
I've seen worse.
But I can only accept it because it wouldn't be good for mathdude to vote for himself. for everyone else, it would be better to vote for mathdude.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #650 on: April 19, 2021, 05:25:02 am »

Prod request: Galzria
I'll oblige even if your fortress mates won't! Or maybe a fortress makes one unproddable?

But seriously, answers to #572 and #573 would be appreciated.

And I believe we're expecting some VCA from you?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #651 on: April 19, 2021, 05:31:19 am »

I think it's interest that fang and faust are so dead set on Galz and Didds (but I also don't recall them mentioning Swowl).
Interesting that I haven't mentioned Swowl, or interesting that I think Galz and Didds are bad dwarves?
@Scola, were you going anywhere with this?

Also @Swowl, care to explain why you voted for Awaclus? I don't get it.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #652 on: April 19, 2021, 06:57:32 am »

Vote: Bright
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
We're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?

I think I've been fairly clear that I believe one of pubby or Bright is scum. As for partnerships... I don't know yet. I hope today's voting will make it a little more clear.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #653 on: April 19, 2021, 07:53:57 am »

Vote: Bright
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
We're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?

I think I've been fairly clear that I believe one of pubby or Bright is scum. As for partnerships... I don't know yet. I hope today's voting will make it a little more clear.
do you have any toughts on player that are not pubby or Brightgalrs?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #654 on: April 19, 2021, 07:54:15 am »

Vote: Bright
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
We're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?

I think I've been fairly clear that I believe one of pubby or Bright is scum. As for partnerships... I don't know yet. I hope today's voting will make it a little more clear.
do you have any toughts on players that are not pubby or Brightgalrs?
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« Reply #655 on: April 19, 2021, 10:11:45 am »

Deadline is later today. I'll be at the airport then so I should be around.

I am a bit at loose ends as far as a vote. faust, what's your thought on Math?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #656 on: April 19, 2021, 10:59:13 am »

Vote: Bright
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
We're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?

I think I've been fairly clear that I believe one of pubby or Bright is scum. As for partnerships... I don't know yet. I hope today's voting will make it a little more clear.
do you have any toughts on players that are not pubby or Brightgalrs?
EBWOP

For some reason, this really amused me.

I should be around at deadline. Am leaning for either a bright/pubby vote. Probably more bright as I kinda want to keep pubby around for the eventual parade!
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #657 on: April 19, 2021, 11:20:24 am »

Pubby, what is your opinion of brighty?
Scum Bright only exists if Didds/Galzria/Awaclus contain his partners. Otherwise he would have jumped on my voting bloc idea and used me to vote town off.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #658 on: April 19, 2021, 11:21:58 am »

Deadline is later today. I'll be at the airport then so I should be around.

I am a bit at loose ends as far as a vote. faust, what's your thought on Math?
There was a lot of empty posting. He made lots of posts that looked like they were making arguments for a pubby/Brighty exile, but there was nothing there and when pressed on these reads mathdude wasn't able to provide more than "I'm guessing". I think he's trying to create this pubby v Brighty scenario today, and he already worked on setting up the next misexile once either of them flips town.

Also, he's alive on Day 2. This has never happened, therefore, he must be scum.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #659 on: April 19, 2021, 11:23:57 am »

Also, he's alive on Day 2. This has never happened, therefore, he must be scum.

This made me LOL.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #660 on: April 19, 2021, 11:30:23 am »

The two interactions between Bright and mathdude that stood out were:

Also I was inspired by mathdude's du and de and made this:


Where Bright makes an image of his name for some reason?

But having 1 other person paired with you (and they supposedly invited you) doesn't seem very helpful to us.

Where mathdude says the fortress is size 2 before that was public information.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #661 on: April 19, 2021, 11:56:22 am »

With all that said, I think Bright is town.

Vote: Scolapasta

His posts have seemed auto-pilot to me. As if he asks lots of basic follow-up questions without contributing any answers at all.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #662 on: April 19, 2021, 12:05:46 pm »

If people would like to extend the day, let me know in your personal QT. If >70% of town and at least one member of each faction consents, I will add 24 hours.
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« Reply #663 on: April 19, 2021, 12:09:54 pm »

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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #664 on: April 19, 2021, 12:10:17 pm »

With all that said, I think Bright is town.

Vote: Scolapasta

His posts have seemed auto-pilot to me. As if he asks lots of basic follow-up questions without contributing any answers at all.

In fairness, they are a little autopilot. But that's because I have no answers. I'm not a part of any QT, so am not privy to anything that's not said in this main thread. Which frankly, has not been very useful.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #665 on: April 19, 2021, 12:19:08 pm »

Vote Count 2.3



Brightgalrs (2): Awaclus, mathdude
Galzria (1): infangthief
pubby (1): Brightgalrs
Awaclus (1): Swowl
mathdude (1): faust
scolapasta (1): pubby

Not voting: WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, Galzria
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah, Ozle, Diddzria
Playing, but dead, PINL: Jimmmmm

Prodding Jimmmmm was silly. I actually forgot he was dead lol. I forgive him for posting in the thread because it was definitely my fault. I went on mod autopilot. PINL.
Galzria has not been prodded. I was just minutes too late!


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to exile. Day 2 ends Monday at 5 pm forum time unless you all decide you want an extension.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #666 on: April 19, 2021, 12:51:53 pm »

@everyone #TryGalz.

It makes the sky go all of dem pretty colours and ze whole world starts to make, what woz that word again? Sense, dat woz it.
An' now I am finding I am talkin like wot that big fella wot sold it to me was talkin. I need to find him again to get some more. He give me sumfing else last time. Diddz I fink it was called. Then he gave me Galz he said this one is better.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #667 on: April 19, 2021, 12:52:43 pm »

Man, that's not a promising vote count for an end of day that's ostensibly 4 hours away. (unless extended)

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #668 on: April 19, 2021, 12:57:50 pm »

Vote: Bright
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
We're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?

I think I've been fairly clear that I believe one of pubby or Bright is scum. As for partnerships... I don't know yet. I hope today's voting will make it a little more clear.
do you have any toughts on player that are not pubby or Brightgalrs?

I tend to be cynical - as a person, but also in game.  I could probably find a reason to scum-read just about anyone here, easier than I could find a reason to town-read.  And because of that, those who post the most I tend to have the most inclination to say they've done things that look scummy.

But being aware of my own biases, I try to not default to that path... obviously if I say everyone looks scummy, this makes me look really scummy.  So my next way of looking at things is to go with what I know.  I'm not a detective role, so I don't know anything for sure about others.  But I do know I'm town.  So if someone is scum-reading me, that stands out.  But more than that, I (as a town) am picking up minor reads on others all the time, and if those thoughts (even if I can't explicitly pinpoint why or make an argument based on posts) are also picked up by others, I'm more likely to think someone is town if they share similar thoughts to me, especially if they are able to make a decent argument for their case.

All that being said... and I know that's a whole lot of meta-useless-analysis of nothing... here are my current thoughts on some people:

I'm going to stick with saying one of pubby or Bright are scum, but likely not both.

Awaclus is also on my watch list - partly from the hammer D1 even though it sort of made sense to do something, and partly from things he's said today such as defending pubby's role/claim without giving the rest of us any more information.

faust is someone I'll look into in more detail if I'm around tomorrow - probably because he's starting to target me, and/or from posting a lot, but I feel like he's starting to setup for mixexiling me.

Galz did feel like he was defending Didds at one point, but when someone else mentioned that, Swowl seemed to say that's normal for him.  I'm going to hold both of these pieces of information for now, and take them at par, unless someone disagrees.

Speaking of Swowl, I'd like to hear more from him.  When he first started posting D1, I was tempted to follow suit and write back in 3rd person for responses, but that feeling has passed now.  Still, being less present towards the end of a day (especially after a comment like us focusing on things that "don't matter" - it would be nice to hear where that comes from.

I'm not losing Didds either.  She was one of my first scum-reads, and I'm watching closely.  If she does flip scum, I'll loop back to Galz in the previous point there and look more into that.

So yes, I have thoughts on people.  Not much useful I don't think, but at least I have some thoughts.

PPE - a boatload, since I started this post a few hours ago!
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #669 on: April 19, 2021, 12:58:41 pm »

It's not that bad, we only need 4 more people to vote for Bright.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #670 on: April 19, 2021, 01:00:50 pm »

I could also be convinced to vote for mathdude if people would rather do that.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #671 on: April 19, 2021, 01:02:03 pm »

I don't support the deadline extension; if >70% of town have enough time to show up to vote in favor of the extension, they have enough time to show up to vote in favor of the Bright exile.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #672 on: April 19, 2021, 01:21:44 pm »

Vote: Bright
Reason: hopefully it will generate some more discussion, reactions, votes, etc.
We're past that point. How about you vote for someone you think is scum?

I think I've been fairly clear that I believe one of pubby or Bright is scum. As for partnerships... I don't know yet. I hope today's voting will make it a little more clear.
do you have any toughts on players that are not pubby or Brightgalrs?
EBWOP

For some reason, this really amused me.

I should be around at deadline. Am leaning for either a bright/pubby vote. Probably more bright as I kinda want to keep pubby around for the eventual parade!

I was amused too... correct the less obvious mistake (player switched to players), and leave "toughts"?

I still don't get what the fuss is about a parade.  Is that some mechanic that's been used here before?

Pubby, what is your opinion of brighty?
Scum Bright only exists if Didds/Galzria/Awaclus contain his partners. Otherwise he would have jumped on my voting bloc idea and used me to vote town off.

I'm just keeping track of this for future reference.  Is this based on meta or stuff in game?

I am a bit at loose ends as far as a vote. faust, what's your thought on Math?
There was a lot of empty posting. He made lots of posts that looked like they were making arguments for a pubby/Brighty exile, but there was nothing there and when pressed on these reads mathdude wasn't able to provide more than "I'm guessing". I think he's trying to create this pubby v Brighty scenario today, and he already worked on setting up the next misexile once either of them flips town.

Also, he's alive on Day 2. This has never happened, therefore, he must be scum.

I've never been scum before, therefore I must not be scum!  Your logic is fail logic.  I openly admit that I don't have much to vote on today.  But at least I'm trying to generate discussions and get more information.

If I'm working on setting up the next misexile, then so are you - you're trying to set up a misexile of me.  What I'm doing is pointing out connections and observations, so people can see what I'm thinking and hopefully generate discussion.

The two interactions between Bright and mathdude that stood out were:

Also I was inspired by mathdude's du and de and made this:


Where Bright makes an image of his name for some reason?

But having 1 other person paired with you (and they supposedly invited you) doesn't seem very helpful to us.

Where mathdude says the fortress is size 2 before that was public information.

I found that image a bit odd as well.  I guess I can see the "du" and "de" leading to a double integral.  But it's still strange.

I didn't say the fortress size is 2.  I said you have someone paired with you... IIRC, this was in relation to Didds' discussion of her QT, and then you said you also have a neighbourhood where someone invited you.  You didn't say you were in a neighbourhood with others, so I assumed based on your language that it was 1 other person there with you.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #673 on: April 19, 2021, 01:30:12 pm »

Man, that's not a promising vote count for an end of day that's ostensibly 4 hours away. (unless extended)

It's not that bad, we only need 4 more people to vote for Bright.

Unvote

Now we still have votes for Bright, Galz, pubby, Awaclus, me, and pasta.  We definitely need to consolidate.  Of the votes, it seems most likely that fang is stuck on Galz, Bright is stuck on pubby, and faust is stuck on me.  The others have not had as much stick-to-it-ive-ness, from what I've seen.  Does one of those 3 people have more information than you're sharing that can help the rest of us decide who to vote for?

If we are going to have a shot at voting out scum today, we definitely need to narrow down the options.  Are the 3 I've picked who we should be narrowing it down to?  Is there someone else we should keep in the list?  Anyone we should take out of the list (besides me)?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #674 on: April 19, 2021, 01:54:53 pm »

If I'm working on setting up the next misexile, then so are you - you're trying to set up a misexile of me.  What I'm doing is pointing out connections and observations, so people can see what I'm thinking and hopefully generate discussion.
This is the most OMGUS post I've seen.

When i say that someone is setting up misexiles, this is referring to them planning out who to exile on future Days.
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« Reply #675 on: April 19, 2021, 01:55:46 pm »

Bright is probably third party, it's not the worst exile but we can do better.
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« Reply #676 on: April 19, 2021, 01:58:57 pm »

I don't support the deadline extension; if >70% of town have enough time to show up to vote in favor of the extension, they have enough time to show up to vote in favor of the Bright exile.
But town should generally agree; if it then does or does not happen, that gives us valuable information.
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« Reply #677 on: April 19, 2021, 02:00:58 pm »

I guess it's debatable how valuable the information is, but it is a nonzero amount of it, compared to what we'd get when town votes against.
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« Reply #678 on: April 19, 2021, 02:04:49 pm »

Now we still have votes for Bright, Galz, pubby, Awaclus, me, and pasta.  We definitely need to consolidate.  Of the votes, it seems most likely that fang is stuck on Galz, Bright is stuck on pubby, and faust is stuck on me.  The others have not had as much stick-to-it-ive-ness, from what I've seen.  Does one of those 3 people have more information than you're sharing that can help the rest of us decide who to vote for?

If we are going to have a shot at voting out scum today, we definitely need to narrow down the options.  Are the 3 I've picked who we should be narrowing it down to?  Is there someone else we should keep in the list?  Anyone we should take out of the list (besides me)?

Reading that again, it sounds odd.  That last sentence is me saying "I think I should be taken out of the list", but it doesn't read that way.  I'm wondering if we add Awaclus' vote of Bright on there... he seemed to really like that vote and want others to follow, but also expressed a willingness to switch to voting for me.  So I left it off for now.

If I'm working on setting up the next misexile, then so are you - you're trying to set up a misexile of me.  What I'm doing is pointing out connections and observations, so people can see what I'm thinking and hopefully generate discussion.
This is the most OMGUS post I've seen.

When i say that someone is setting up misexiles, this is referring to them planning out who to exile on future Days.

It's semantics.  If I'm "planning on who to exile", is that not the same as saying "let's exile this person today and this person tomorrow".  It's saying I see a connection (positive or negative), and that will help us with where to look next, pending future flips, investigative results and even reads.

I'm not tracking my thoughts elsewhere (on paper or in an online document).  So I'm putting all this in-thread, so others can see my thinking, but also for my future reference, so I can look back at my own posts for a reminder of who I have found scummy, or at least who I find partly connected or opposing each other.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #679 on: April 19, 2021, 02:06:20 pm »

Update: I now have dinner plans, so while here until around 4:30, won't be around for the end of the deadline.

I voted for the extension.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #680 on: April 19, 2021, 02:26:13 pm »

Vote: Didds

I’m not convinced Didds is the better Exile here - and maybe I’m bias by volume - but Didds has more things that jump out as feeling off than Jimmmmm.

Hi Galzria, what things had Didds said that felt off?

Largely it was the back and forth with Faust - or rather, the conversation about PINL in her role QT. The initial conversation came off as her not wanting to commit to an answer she was unsure was the correct one. The reaction later, then, to faust saying his role QT did not come with PINL seemed kind of fake. I pointed to this exact exchange as standing out to me D1 just prior to voting for her near the end of the day.

I also thought that she was fishing back and forth with Awaclus & faust later on regarding how much information to claim about her Dwarf QT at the time - like she was looking either for an answer that suited her, or that she was driving at creating enough differing opinions that it wouldn't be scummy to answer nothing.

I missed that post, thanks.

I note that anytime anyone says something negative against Didds, you jump in, spam a bunch of "no u" and leave. Yesterday I thought didds, you and awaclus were scum. Today, I'm if questioning if you, didds, and swowl are the bad ones. The three of you voted jimmm, after all, with swowl starting it.

I strongly disagree. I think the only time I’ve ever really defended her was when her wagon shot up to X-1 early, and I called a bad wagon out for what it was. There was no case, there were bad arguments, and I thought it highly unlikely that wagon was on scum.

I didn’t think the existence of the wagon was bad. It helped me form reads on other people - reads I posted and stood by. And even then, I was essentially the deciding vote on exiling Didds (with Jimmmmm) not on her until Swowl came in to corroborate her claim.

Whereas you... pushed either no logic cases (see post 156), or very flawed cases (see your entire, incorrect justification for the rest of the game Day), and then apparently, according to Bright, upon learning your case was flawed and bad... you continued to want to support the lie you had yesterday privately instead of coming out with it publicly.

So yeah. That’s where I’m at with you.

What relevance did Swowl corroborating Didds claim have for you? (I bolded the part of your post that I'm referring to, but including the whole thing for context.)

I was town reading Swowl at that point, even though I was voting against his preference (he was on Jimmmmm, I had gone Didds). When he claimed to be one of the people in the Dwarf QT with Didds, it was enough for me to give pause. I followed his claim up by asking him specifically how he felt regarding Didds & Jimmmmm:

Swowl sets off fireworks that confirm that Didds has a QT with Day Chat with some amount of the 7 Dwarves within it.

Unvote

Swowl - do you think that:

A) Didds is more likely to be town
B) Jimmmmm is more likely to be scum
C) Both A & B

?

Basically - are you voting Jimmmmm because you think he’s scum, or because you DON’T want Didds Exiled, or both?

It wasn't until after he answered that I decided to go Jimmmmm instead of Didds in the end:

Swowl sets off fireworks that confirm that Didds has a QT with Day Chat with some amount of the 7 Dwarves within it.

Unvote

Swowl - do you think that:

A) Didds is more likely to be town
B) Jimmmmm is more likely to be scum
C) Both A & B

?

Basically - are you voting Jimmmmm because you think he’s scum, or because you DON’T want Didds Exiled, or both?

Swowl writes a note to galz on a piece of parchment stating they think that the answer to their question is an in between.
Swowl does feel like Didds is Town, but also feels the need to put forth that they do not have a crazy SR on Jimmm, it is just a better option than didds to them by a mile at this point.


Vote: Jimmmmm

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I’m town reading math & swowl. They’re both on Jimmmmm.
I’m scum reading fang and bright. They’re both on Didds.

If it’s truly a tossup, I’ll side with my town reads.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #681 on: April 19, 2021, 02:34:49 pm »

I have to trust that Bright is town here. His power wouldn't make sense if he was a Bad Dwarf, as he would just invite his scum-mates into the QT so that they could have day chat.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #682 on: April 19, 2021, 02:36:52 pm »

I have to trust that Bright is town here. His power wouldn't make sense if he was a Bad Dwarf, as he would just invite his scum-mates into the QT so that they could have day chat.
How do you know that they don't already have daychat?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #683 on: April 19, 2021, 02:40:57 pm »

Plus if we assume 3 scum (for a 12 player game), and I understand the fortress correctly, I'm not sure that's possible. he first invited 1, then could add 2 more, so always even number totals.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #684 on: April 19, 2021, 02:41:32 pm »

Bright, I know the case on Pubby. I'm weighing the whole Parade thing right now.

faust, I just disagree with your read on Math. Like, I seriously don't understand how he's gotten exiled in previous games. He reads crazy townie to me. I DO agree that I didn't like his conclusion in the whole Pubby/Bright post - but I don't think the thought process that got him there was scummy at all.

Swowl, what's the case on Awaclus?

Pubby, what's the case on Scola?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #685 on: April 19, 2021, 02:42:04 pm »

I have to trust that Bright is town here. His power wouldn't make sense if he was a Bad Dwarf, as he would just invite his scum-mates into the QT so that they could have day chat.
How do you know that they don't already have daychat?
Why would I assume they do?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #686 on: April 19, 2021, 02:51:22 pm »

Plus if we assume 3 scum (for a 12 player game), and I understand the fortress correctly, I'm not sure that's possible. he first invited 1, then could add 2 more, so always even number totals.

Did I miss where this came from? I've gone back and read twice now over the past 100 posts, which were the only ones I thought I wasn't super familiar with (weekends are just long for me out here. I read/kept up, but often it was just skimming).
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #687 on: April 19, 2021, 02:52:58 pm »

Plus if we assume 3 scum (for a 12 player game), and I understand the fortress correctly, I'm not sure that's possible. he first invited 1, then could add 2 more, so always even number totals.

Did I miss where this came from? I've gone back and read twice now over the past 100 posts, which were the only ones I thought I wasn't super familiar with (weekends are just long for me out here. I read/kept up, but often it was just skimming).

Where what came from? The adding of the 2 more? I can go back to find the relevant quote.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #688 on: April 19, 2021, 02:55:05 pm »

As for my role, I started in a neighborhood with no one in it and a cap at 2. Then each night I can choose to expand the cap by 2 or not. I (and anyone in the neighborhood) invites people during the day. You can either accept or reject the invite. And being in the neighborhood has some benefit which hasn't exactly been figured out yet.

Here it is. but now I see that it's the cap that's even; clearly if it were all scum, they could just limit the invites.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #689 on: April 19, 2021, 02:56:10 pm »

Plus if we assume 3 scum (for a 12 player game), and I understand the fortress correctly, I'm not sure that's possible. he first invited 1, then could add 2 more, so always even number totals.

Did I miss where this came from? I've gone back and read twice now over the past 100 posts, which were the only ones I thought I wasn't super familiar with (weekends are just long for me out here. I read/kept up, but often it was just skimming).

Where what came from? The adding of the 2 more? I can go back to find the relevant quote.

No, I know he went from 2 to 4 - but what made you sure that was the only option? Bolding the part from you that seems weird. How do you know he couldn't have increased it by 1 again from 2 to 3? Or by 3 from 2 to 5?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #690 on: April 19, 2021, 02:57:30 pm »

As for my role, I started in a neighborhood with no one in it and a cap at 2. Then each night I can choose to expand the cap by 2 or not. I (and anyone in the neighborhood) invites people during the day. You can either accept or reject the invite. And being in the neighborhood has some benefit which hasn't exactly been figured out yet.

Here it is. but now I see that it's the cap that's even; clearly if it were all scum, they could just limit the invites.

Thank you - I did miss the cap expansion part of the claim.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #691 on: April 19, 2021, 03:04:23 pm »

Also, he's alive on Day 2. This has never happened, therefore, he must be scum.

This made me LOL.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #692 on: April 19, 2021, 03:05:28 pm »

Pubby, what is your opinion of brighty?
Scum Bright only exists if Didds/Galzria/Awaclus contain his partners. Otherwise he would have jumped on my voting bloc idea and used me to vote town off.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #693 on: April 19, 2021, 03:09:38 pm »

Prodding Jimmmmm was silly. I actually forgot he was dead lol. I forgive him for posting in the thread because it was definitely my fault. I went on mod autopilot. PINL.


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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #694 on: April 19, 2021, 03:12:22 pm »

Vote: pubby

I’m wary of brighty, but I think the revelation post at the start of the day is authentic.
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« Reply #695 on: April 19, 2021, 03:15:20 pm »

What time UTC is 5pm forum time?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #696 on: April 19, 2021, 03:20:26 pm »

What time UTC is 5pm forum time?
9pm I think. At least, it is 10pm in UK (BST), which is 1hr ahead of UTC.
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« Reply #697 on: April 19, 2021, 03:20:53 pm »

As of now I will not be extending the day. Vote count soon.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #698 on: April 19, 2021, 03:23:35 pm »

I have to trust that Bright is town here. His power wouldn't make sense if he was a Bad Dwarf, as he would just invite his scum-mates into the QT so that they could have day chat.
The same occurred to me. But if he's scum then there could be some restriction on who his first invite can be, so he can't do that, but still that would feel really clunky. 3rd party however...
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #699 on: April 19, 2021, 03:24:39 pm »

Vote Count 2.4



pubby (2): Brightgalrs, WestCoastDidds
Brightgalrs (1): Awaclus
Galzria (1): infangthief
Awaclus (1): Swowl
mathdude (1): faust
scolapasta (1): pubby

Not voting: scolapasta, Galzria, mathdude
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah, Ozle, Diddzria
Playing, but dead, PINL: Jimmmmm


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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #700 on: April 19, 2021, 03:36:42 pm »

Thanks Galzria for answering those questions. Good answers mostly.

I'll explain more why I found those things odd and asked you about them:
  • you made a comparison between the number of 'off' things Jimmmmm had said and the number that Didds had said, but the nature of the 'offness' was very different, so comparing the number of them seems bizarre.
  • you unvoted from Didds because it turned out her 7 dwarves daychat claim was actually true. But that wasn't anything to do with why you'd voted for her in the first place.
So my reading was (maybe still is, not sure?) is that you were looking for excuses to join and then leave the Didds wagon, rather than these being actually genuine reads.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #701 on: April 19, 2021, 03:43:28 pm »

I never disbelieved her claim, especially regarding the existence of the QT. What got me to switch was that the things that I WAS scum reading her for weren’t exactly strong reasons (you could argue they were better reasons than anything Jimmmmm had done, but Jimmmmm had done very little. That argument simply promotes scum lurking), and the particular person (Swowl) who confirmed the QT with her (and thus has likely a better read than I do), actively didn’t want her exiled - and I town read Swowl enough to accept that.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #702 on: April 19, 2021, 03:46:45 pm »

vote: mathdude

What faust said.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #703 on: April 19, 2021, 03:47:42 pm »

Vote: mathdude
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #704 on: April 19, 2021, 03:48:29 pm »

And what mathdude said in #673.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #705 on: April 19, 2021, 03:55:07 pm »

I am starting to read mathdude as scummy, but I was *REALLY* hoping to give him a D1 and D2 pass this game due to other games. But it is getting harder. Push comes to shove, I'll vote there rather than no exile.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #706 on: April 19, 2021, 03:56:36 pm »

faust, I just disagree with your read on Math. Like, I seriously don't understand how he's gotten exiled in previous games. He reads crazy townie to me. I DO agree that I didn't like his conclusion in the whole Pubby/Bright post - but I don't think the thought process that got him there was scummy at all.

This right here is how I get exiled - by actually trying to find scum.  By being active, and posting, prying, and trying to find who could be working together... and then people needling little semantics out of words that I say.

The more you say, the more likely you are for people to claim you look scummy.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #707 on: April 19, 2021, 04:05:39 pm »

I think this is right...

pubby (3): Brightgalrs, WestCoastDidds, mathdude
Awaclus (1): Swowl
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #708 on: April 19, 2021, 04:21:29 pm »

Can we exile mathdude? I don't want to have to hammer pubby with 3 minutes left and get blamed for hammering town again.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #709 on: April 19, 2021, 04:23:41 pm »

Can we exile mathdude? I don't want to have to hammer pubby with 3 minutes left and get blamed for hammering town again.

Did you get blamed for hammering Jimmmmm? Was this a concern of yours?
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #710 on: April 19, 2021, 04:24:02 pm »

Vote: Pubby
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #711 on: April 19, 2021, 04:24:08 pm »

Can we exile mathdude? I don't want to have to hammer pubby with 3 minutes left and get blamed for hammering town again.

How do you know pubby is town?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #712 on: April 19, 2021, 04:25:04 pm »

But actually, Galzria, those things you said were 'off' about Didds, they didn't strike you that way at the time, you had to go back and look to find some didn't you?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #713 on: April 19, 2021, 04:25:25 pm »

Can we exile mathdude? I don't want to have to hammer pubby with 3 minutes left and get blamed for hammering town again.

How do you know pubby is town?

I don't, it just seems likely given his claim.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #714 on: April 19, 2021, 04:25:55 pm »

But actually, Galzria, those things you said were 'off' about Didds, they didn't strike you that way at the time, you had to go back and look to find some didn't you?

No. I posted that they felt off at the time.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #715 on: April 19, 2021, 04:26:27 pm »

Can we exile mathdude? I don't want to have to hammer pubby with 3 minutes left and get blamed for hammering town again.

Did you get blamed for hammering Jimmmmm? Was this a concern of yours?

Yes I did.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #716 on: April 19, 2021, 04:26:37 pm »

Didds has 3x the posts of Pubby & Jimmmmm combined. That’s somewhat expected, but still, it’s noteworthy that the most vocal players are often the most suspected players because they’re generating the most noise. Does Didds activity level say anything about her alignment?

Didds, looking back, how would you characterize this exchange?

Hey uh Didds, did you get your alignment with PINL?

Why is this a question for me??
Why is this not an answer for me???

Because it is an oddly specific question.
What are you worried about?

You!


In the following exchange, the same question asked from Math to faust, and the pursuing answer, seems to catch you off guard. I’m trying to put my finger on why these two exchanges feel off. Any thoughts?

And what is this good authority?  Did Joth actually confirm to you with PINL?
Yes. Well, more or less. It's has to do with my role, so excuse me for not going into more detail.

Did you get yours with PINL?
No I didn't.

Oh, this is spicy!! Are our role posts lies?!
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #717 on: April 19, 2021, 04:26:55 pm »

Can we exile mathdude? I don't want to have to hammer pubby with 3 minutes left and get blamed for hammering town again.

No, we can't. It puts us in a really bad spot, especially if scum kill is not RBed. Assuming 3 scum, that leaves 5 against 3 tomorrow, and scum just need to get 1 to side with them for no exile or misexile.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #718 on: April 19, 2021, 04:27:24 pm »

But actually, Galzria, those things you said were 'off' about Didds, they didn't strike you that way at the time, you had to go back and look to find some didn't you?

No. I posted that they felt off at the time.
I mean, at the time Didds said them.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #719 on: April 19, 2021, 04:27:33 pm »

Can we exile mathdude? I don't want to have to hammer pubby with 3 minutes left and get blamed for hammering town again.

Did you get blamed for hammering Jimmmmm? Was this a concern of yours?

Yes I did.

Who blamed you?
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #720 on: April 19, 2021, 04:28:09 pm »

Who blamed you?

I think it was mathdude but I'm not 100% sure without going back to check.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #721 on: April 19, 2021, 04:30:13 pm »

No, we can't. It puts us in a really bad spot, especially if scum kill is not RBed. Assuming 3 scum, that leaves 5 against 3 tomorrow, and scum just need to get 1 to side with them for no exile or misexile.

No exile at 5v3 is fine. It would be really nice to exile scum here (which of course is why I want to lynch you instead of pubby), but it's not the end of the world if we don't.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #722 on: April 19, 2021, 04:31:03 pm »

Vote: mathdude

Sorry. :(
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #723 on: April 19, 2021, 04:32:56 pm »

Can we exile mathdude? I don't want to have to hammer pubby with 3 minutes left and get blamed for hammering town again.

How do you know pubby is town?

I don't, it just seems likely given his claim.

Which you expect us to take your word for.

Who blamed you?

I think it was mathdude but I'm not 100% sure without going back to check.

Blame, no. Point out that it contributed to a minor scum read of you, yes
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #724 on: April 19, 2021, 04:34:04 pm »

Vote: pubby

Math is town.
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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #725 on: April 19, 2021, 04:34:29 pm »

I will not switch my vote. I'll go no-exile today over voting Math.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #726 on: April 19, 2021, 04:35:37 pm »

Vote: mathdude

Sorry. :(

I wish you guys had piled on earlier than a couple hours before deadline, and brought near exile while we still had a chance to switch. Even now, there's not much point in claiming, but I will partially anyway.

I'm the 3rd member in the Show White Dwarves QT with Didds and Swowl.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #727 on: April 19, 2021, 04:36:35 pm »

I think that was the hammer, wasn't it?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #728 on: April 19, 2021, 04:36:47 pm »

Is that hammer on pubby?

If not, anyone up for Didds or Galzria? There's still time.

When I first asked Galzria about Didds his 'read' was this:
I think there’s a 99% chance she chose Happy, and about a 10% chance Happy is a Bad Dwarf.
Nothing in-game there at all. That is 100% pre-game stuff.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #729 on: April 19, 2021, 04:37:43 pm »

Swowl stands up and points out no... it is not hammer.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #730 on: April 19, 2021, 04:38:02 pm »

I think this is right...

pubby (5): Brightgalrs, WestCoastDidds, mathdude, Swowl, Galz
mathdude (4): faust, infangthief,  Awaclus, scolapasta
scolapasta (1): pubby

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #731 on: April 19, 2021, 04:38:28 pm »

I think this is right...

pubby (3): Brightgalrs, WestCoastDidds, mathdude
Awaclus (1): Swowl
mathdude (3): faust, infangthief,  Awaclus
scolapasta (1): pubby

Not voting: scolapasta, Galzria,

Assuming this is right, it's now

pubby (5): Brightgalrs, WestCoastDidds, mathdude, Swowl, Galzria
mathdude (4): faust, infangthief,  Awaclus, scolapasta
scolapasta (1): pubby

It takes 6 to lynch and pubby is hated.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #732 on: April 19, 2021, 04:38:37 pm »

Swowl confirms WCDs Vote Count.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #733 on: April 19, 2021, 04:39:06 pm »

Swowl forgot Pubby was hated.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #734 on: April 19, 2021, 04:39:27 pm »

Completely forgot the hated
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #735 on: April 19, 2021, 04:39:41 pm »

Swowl stands by his choice, just more to say he was wrong about it not being a hammer.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #736 on: April 19, 2021, 04:40:12 pm »

Can confirm math is a 7 dwarf
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #737 on: April 19, 2021, 04:40:23 pm »

Vote: pubby

Math is town.

Unless you have investigative role, I don't know how you can state that confidently, unless you're scum.

If we were at this point 24 hours ago, I'd push for a Didds exile. Swowl can verify, I switched from Didds to Jimmmmm D1 because if the 3 of us were all town, our QT would be the best thing for town this game. But I even said in QT that I could temporarily go with that assumption for the potential benefit of town, but that I was still scum-reading Didds.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #738 on: April 19, 2021, 04:40:52 pm »

I forgot pubby was hated. It hasn't been mentioned in any of the VC's recently. Wouldn't have changed my vote choice, but I wouldn't have hammered without giving him a chance to full claim.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #739 on: April 19, 2021, 04:42:12 pm »

Swowl feels obligated to confirm that Math did indeed SR WCD, and Swowl talked them out of it based on the reasons Math gave.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #740 on: April 19, 2021, 04:42:21 pm »

Is that hammer on pubby?

If not, anyone up for Didds or Galzria? There's still time.

When I first asked Galzria about Didds his 'read' was this:
I think there’s a 99% chance she chose Happy, and about a 10% chance Happy is a Bad Dwarf.
Nothing in-game there at all. That is 100% pre-game stuff.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #741 on: April 19, 2021, 04:42:25 pm »

I forgot pubby was hated. It hasn't been mentioned in any of the VC's recently. Wouldn't have changed my vote choice, but I wouldn't have hammered without giving him a chance to full claim.

The first quote in your signature seems appropriate here.
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« Reply #742 on: April 19, 2021, 04:42:34 pm »

I also forgot the hated, otherwise I wouldn't have claimed either. Oh well... twilight now?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #743 on: April 19, 2021, 04:44:01 pm »

This is BM, so there's some chance pubby is still with us. Shall we try something else in case?

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #744 on: April 19, 2021, 04:45:06 pm »

Sure, why not.

Vote: Didds
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #745 on: April 19, 2021, 04:45:14 pm »

Is that hammer on pubby?

If not, anyone up for Didds or Galzria? There's still time.

When I first asked Galzria about Didds his 'read' was this:
I think there’s a 99% chance she chose Happy, and about a 10% chance Happy is a Bad Dwarf.
Nothing in-game there at all. That is 100% pre-game stuff.

What's your point? Yes. I voted her after doing a re-read D1 and realizing I found some things that stood out to me. Prior to that, I hadn't done a detailed re-read, and didn't think she was scummy.
And instead of saying you had no read, you avoided the question.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #746 on: April 19, 2021, 04:45:34 pm »

Vote: pubby

Math is town.

Unless you have investigative role, I don't know how you can state that confidently, unless you're scum.

It's my first game playing with you, but I followed/read the other games you were in in detail. I simply don't see you as being scum here. At all.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #747 on: April 19, 2021, 04:46:07 pm »

Is that hammer on pubby?

If not, anyone up for Didds or Galzria? There's still time.

When I first asked Galzria about Didds his 'read' was this:
I think there’s a 99% chance she chose Happy, and about a 10% chance Happy is a Bad Dwarf.
Nothing in-game there at all. That is 100% pre-game stuff.

What's your point? Yes. I voted her after doing a re-read D1 and realizing I found some things that stood out to me. Prior to that, I hadn't done a detailed re-read, and didn't think she was scummy.
And instead of saying you had no read, you avoided the question.

I did nothing of the sort. Make stuff up more?
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #748 on: April 19, 2021, 04:46:22 pm »

Vote Count 2.5



'You know who's fault this all is really?' a random dwarf with a big beard says. 'It's the government! They're supposed to stop people from getting killed!'

'Hey you're right!' another Dwarf says, polishing his axe. 'Let's run the Mayor out of town!'

Pubby has been exiled. He was the Mayor of the Munchkin City. He was a GOOD DWARF.


pubby (5): Brightgalrs, WestCoastDidds, mathdude, Swowl, Galzria
mathdude (4): faust, infangthief, Awaclus, scolapasta
scolapasta (1): pubby

Not voting:
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah, Ozle, Diddzria
Playing, but dead, PINL: Jimmmmm


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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - NIGHT TWO
« Reply #749 on: April 21, 2021, 02:45:52 pm »

Just a quick note to say the thread might be an hour or two late in opening this afternoon.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - NIGHT TWO
« Reply #750 on: April 21, 2021, 05:48:18 pm »

Good morning Dwarves! As the diminutive residents of Dwarfburg or whatever roll out of their caves, they notice that the sun is not shining today!

I don't think I mentioned that Dwarfburg is on a Dwarf planet that orbits Barnard's Star, a Dwarf Star. It appears to have gone supernova. You suspect foul play.

faust has died. He was Barnard's Star. He was a GOOD DWARF (STAR).

Well there's nothing to do but try to find the killer. Maybe look for someone with access to a rocket and unimaginably powerful explosives. ​


With 8 alive it takes 5 to exile.


Galzria is now hated. He takes one less vote to exile.

infangthief seems to have drifted back down to the ground. He takes a normal number of votes to exile.


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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #751 on: April 21, 2021, 06:17:42 pm »

So, I have a QT with Galzria. It seems increasingly likely that 1) pubby's hated was indeed caused by me and 2) causing hated is just what my ability does in addition to opening the QT. I'm almost certain 1 is the case and I wouldn't count on 2 being the case because this is BM and all, but it seems pretty reasonable to assume 2 as well.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #752 on: April 21, 2021, 06:31:41 pm »

Swowl sighs thinking how he needs a minute to parse some information
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #753 on: April 21, 2021, 06:41:29 pm »

Swowl sighs thinking how he needs a minute to parse some information

You've had enough time to parse it 10 times by now.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #754 on: April 21, 2021, 06:52:50 pm »

Swowl, did you kill faust last night?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #755 on: April 21, 2021, 07:14:35 pm »

Swowl yells that he did NOT kill faust last night.
Swowl turns back to add that he did attempt to kill someone that was not faust last night... but only because he had to.
Swowl holds up the SWORD he got, and points out, it is in fact 100% a SWORD and not let's say.. an AXE. Swowl shakes his head because that caused a lot of, what he is now assuming to be, confusion.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #756 on: April 21, 2021, 07:35:12 pm »

Swowl leaves for work.
He considers just full claiming all the information he has when he returns... hoping it will shed some light of hope on some shit.
He requests anyone that had an issue with that to speak up.
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« Reply #757 on: April 21, 2021, 08:19:51 pm »

I can confirm that (at least based on what he said in QT), Swowl did not target faust last night.
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« Reply #758 on: April 21, 2021, 09:10:29 pm »

I can confirm that (at least based on what he said in QT), Swowl did not target faust last night.

That's not much of a confirmation if it's just based on what he's claiming. If his story is consistent between the game thread and QTs, that's a bit better than nothing I guess, but not substantially so.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #759 on: April 21, 2021, 09:35:17 pm »

Also we're probably at what would normally be melo, but because we might have a 3rd party in the game and a vig and my ability, I think we should still try to correctly exile today.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #760 on: April 21, 2021, 11:08:56 pm »

Vote: WCD

Alright, so this is where I'm at:

I'm a modified compulsive vigilante

My flavor name is Dvalinn, and I am (one of two) Dwarves responsible for forging Tyrfing (or Dainsleif, as it's also known).

At the start of the game, the Sword was in my possession. I had two options for it at night:

1) I can give the sword to another player. That player MUST use the Sword the following night, on a player of their choice.
2) I can keep the sword, I will use it to strike down another random player.

On Night 1, I gave the sword to Swowl, my top town!read at the time. I figured a random kill in a town that likely had more Good Dwarves than not was the optimal move, and no extra kill that night certainly seemed the better option. Giving it to a town!read that could then choose his target the following night seemed the obvious choice.

On Day 2, I claimed my PR to Bright's Fortress - However I changed the weapon to an AXE and did not reveal my flavor name. I also did not claim who I gave the Axe (Sword) to. I intentionally obfuscated the claim slightly to prevent easily googling "Sword that must kill when drawn", which in turn would lead you to my flavor name - which is clearly Norse (remember the message Swowl got at the start of D2 in Norse? That was me. Well, kinda. It was a Mod written message. No idea what it said).

The point of my claiming in there was to get my information in a public place should I die. I did NOT claim who had the Sword on the off chance that there was scum in the QT already = so they couldn't interfere with anything. Had the player I gave the Sword to (Swowl) himself been scum, then it didn't matter anyway.

I intended to claim in the Fortress who I gave the Sword last night, AFTER the Night Action Deadline (again, so the information was in a public place with multiple pairs of eyes) so that it could not be messed with in case I died - but I missed the window and posted it all just after the day opened.

That brings us to where we're at now:

Only one player died, and I know that Swowl HAD to use the Sword last night. He has claimed that he did NOT target Faust. What I CAN say is that the Fortress was attacked last night. So if he's not lying, he targeted one of {Bright, Galz, WCD}.

So why vote WCD?

Swowl yells that he did NOT kill faust last night.
Swowl turns back to add that he did attempt to kill someone that was not faust last night... but only because he had to.
Swowl holds up the SWORD he got, and points out, it is in fact 100% a SWORD and not let's say.. an AXE. Swowl shakes his head because that caused a lot of, what he is now assuming to be, confusion.


Because Swowl received the Sword. He knew it was a Sword. The person that would've thought it was an Axe was WCD (Or Bright/Pubby) - but WCD has the QT with Swowl - which means if there was confusion about it, it's because WCD was relaying the things that I said in the Fortress to her QT with Swowl. And I just don't see why town!WCD does this.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #761 on: April 21, 2021, 11:11:12 pm »

On Night 1, I gave the sword to Swowl, my top town!read at the time. I figured a random kill in a town that likely had more Good Dwarves than not was NOT the optimal move, and no extra kill that night certainly seemed the better option. Giving it to a town!read that could then choose his target the following night seemed the obvious choice.

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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #762 on: April 21, 2021, 11:11:46 pm »

Swowl, why did you attack the Fortress, and who did you attempt to kill with the Sword?
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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« Reply #763 on: April 22, 2021, 12:57:50 am »

Swowl flips over a whiteboard, revealing a bunch of information that was useful like 2 hours ago when he typed it up... but after galz claim.. it is just repeating a lot.
Swowl feels he will save time and consolidate....

Swowl does a confirmation dance when he hears Galzria say what their role is, including the name of the sword.

Swowl does a confirmation dance when he hears Galzria talk about the Norse stuff.
Swowl explains that the wording on returning the item to its owner made it seem like Swowl needed to figure out who that person was. Swowl points to a bullet point referencing the Norse nonsense from yesterday, explaining that is what that was about.
Swowl continues to explain that it turns out none of that matters, he could just simply choose to return it to owner without knowing who it was.

Swowl does a confirmation dance when he hears Galzria tell the tale of the Axe vs the Sword.
Swowl explains that based on a lot of information relayed to them from the fortress thread via WCD, that Swowl very much thought it was Galz that gave it to him. This made Swowl happy, as he was town reading Galz. Then Galz kept referencing an axe, not a sword, which made Swowl weary of wtf was going on. This made Swowl sad.

Swowl kicks the whiteboard into a pit of fucking fire and pulls out.... another white board with a bunch of answers to questions and shit on it.

Pointing at the board, Swowl explains that they were informed that the fortress QT should have some protection as long as there were no skum in it.
Swowl thought if Bright was mafia, then lies, etc... none of it matter.
Swowl says he also thought if Bright was 3P, then that’s better then shooting Town.
Swowl thinks everyone can put together the general game plan here in regards to isolating people in the fortress... but just in case. Swowl vocalizes his assumption was either Bright dies and then we know there is Skum in the Fortress, or Bright doesn't die, and there is not skum in the Fortress.
Swowl says he is not even 100% sure that that is how the Fortress works, so if someone can expand upon that Swowl would be happy. Swowl was rushed to choose a target or one would of been randomly assigned.

Swowl states he understands Galzria's reasoning for voting WCD, but would like to stress that she was doing the relaying of info at the request of the other players in the Thread.

Swowl points out this is hard to do without quoting and shit. Swowl requests people to ask questions if they missed something somewhere.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #764 on: April 22, 2021, 02:03:45 am »

Well that's kinda funny. And here I was hoping to die last night so I wouldn't have to die of embarrassment for being wrong about pubby.
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« Reply #765 on: April 22, 2021, 02:17:20 am »

Awake, alive, reading, thinking, off to work hoping my subconscious can work out some things without me.
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« Reply #766 on: April 22, 2021, 03:05:14 am »

Swowl wonders if Bright would care to weigh in on how the Fotress skum/protection thing works
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #767 on: April 22, 2021, 07:53:05 am »

I am 100% relaying information between my QTs. All without quoting, cha cha cha. I think that Swowl is town and that Galz is town. It is in our collective best interest to get them the info they need to one another. Also, none of this is private, nor implied to be private since none of these are two-person QTs. I am also being mindful of who wants what out. In fact, in each of the qts I am asking questions along the lines of “do you want me to ask “ or do you want me to tell...”

I also told Swowl, as he suggests, that if there are no scum in the fortress, that it should protect the people in it, as Bright told the fortress. So, if bright (or me or Galz) is scum he’s vulnerable, and if no one in the fortress is scum, then he would be safe from the axesword.

Here the biggest problem with Galz’s argument... if I am scum, then the fortress shouldn’t have held, right? I’m under the impression that Brighty lives because he has only included town. So, how do you get me from being the relay between qts to being scum knowing that?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #768 on: April 22, 2021, 08:00:12 am »

Are there any people who can confirm that the fortress only gives protection if everyone in it is town, or do we have to take Bright's word for it?
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« Reply #769 on: April 22, 2021, 08:41:33 am »

Hi Didds, the information about the axe-sword and the information about the fortress protection if there are no scum in it, did you relay these to Swowl during day 2 or during night 2?
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« Reply #770 on: April 22, 2021, 09:03:40 am »

I'm going to try and summarize the information I know/assume.  Please correct any mistakes and add important things I may have missed, so I can work through where we are today.

Swowl - had a sword from Galz and had to use it, claimed he used it but not to target faust, is in Snow White QT with me and Didds.

me - in QT with Swowl and Didds, was close to exile D2 when pubby was actually exiled because most of us forgot he was hated (and we thought the vote was tied).

Didds - in QT with me and Swowl, also in fortress QT with Bright and Galz, was relaying information back and forth between the two, was close to exile D1 when Jimmmmm was actually exiled.

Bright - original member of fortress QT which has some sort of protection currently assumed to be true if only town is in the fortress, started the push for pubby D2.

Galz - in fortress QT with Didds and Bright, in (assumed temporary) QT with Awaclus and is hated for today, has stated that the fortress was attacked last night, was the hammer vote on pubby D2 (though stated he forgot pubby was hated, as did a number of others).

Awaclus - able to make QT with one person at the cost of that person becoming hated, is in QT with Galz today, was the deciding vote on Jimmmmm (to get an exile instead of stalemate D1).

fang - I've got nothing useful here.

pasta - I've got nothing useful here.

So the next question is... do we still believe there are 3 scum?  Might there be 3rd parties here that we haven't seen or heard about yet?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #771 on: April 22, 2021, 09:52:31 am »

There's not much too weigh in on concerning the "Fortress". Everything Joth has been reporting in the QT (which Didds and Galz can/have explained) is basically what I was told or more.

There is something interesting about the wording of my role though, it says, paraphrasing, that the fortress only helps against the mafia. I'm probably reading too much into it, since the wording also doesn't explicitly say we have night chat, but that could point to 1) the protection not working against townie kills, which would be worrying, see below, and 2) there is no third party that can kill.

I'm inclined to believe 2), which or me clears Galz (who would be most suspicious) as being a serial killer or whatever.

Reading into 1) a little more, it means either I didn't die last night for some other reason, or that Galz is scum, ie. the kill "technically" originates from him, and that fulfills the requirements for Fortress protection from a kill. I don't know what to believe there.

Moving on, there's the "fact" that it's bad if Bad Dwarfs get into the Fortress. But see, the flavor/logic there would be the bad dwarf could let scum into the fortress, letting them kill, ie. removing the Fortress's protection. But that flavor/logic doesn't work if it's a Townie kill. So if you live and die by the flavor, you once again might consider that I survived Swowl's kill for some other reason and also still be suspicious of Galz and Didds.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #772 on: April 22, 2021, 09:55:07 am »

I just realized I haven't claimed my role yet. I'm Urist McMafiaPlayer. Urist is a Dwarf Fortress archetypical character, if your wondering.
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« Reply #773 on: April 22, 2021, 10:01:32 am »

Awaclus - able to make QT with one person at the cost of that person becoming hated, is in QT with Galz today, was the deciding vote on Jimmmmm (to get an exile instead of stalemate D1).

If you're looking for data points about my voting behavior, you might want to consider the time I voluntarily used a hated-causing ability on pubby, thereby contributing towards his exile by one vote (while I didn't know it would do that, you only have my word for that and you can't assume I'm telling the truth) instead of the time I was forced to hammer an exile that wasn't one of my top preferred exiles because deadline was approaching, we needed to exile someone, and nobody else was doing anything about it.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #774 on: April 22, 2021, 10:09:20 am »

Hi Didds, the information about the axe-sword and the information about the fortress protection if there are no scum in it, did you relay these to Swowl during day 2 or during night 2?
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« Reply #775 on: April 22, 2021, 11:22:35 am »

I feel so left out - am I the only one not in an QT?? (I think maybe fang or faust?)

Which is probably why i also am just unsure of anything.

SO to understand better what exactly does the fortress protect against? and how does it protect, i.e. it seems like those in the fortress were able to learn the fortress was attacked? But not who specifically or by whom, some sort of generic, "the fortress was attacked last night".

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« Reply #776 on: April 22, 2021, 11:24:32 am »

Awaclus - able to make QT with one person at the cost of that person becoming hated, is in QT with Galz today, was the deciding vote on Jimmmmm (to get an exile instead of stalemate D1).

If you're looking for data points about my voting behavior, you might want to consider the time I voluntarily used a hated-causing ability on pubby, thereby contributing towards his exile by one vote (while I didn't know it would do that, you only have my word for that and you can't assume I'm telling the truth) instead of the time I was forced to hammer an exile that wasn't one of my top preferred exiles because deadline was approaching, we needed to exile someone, and nobody else was doing anything about it.

I do understand what you did, wanting to get an actual exile rather than leaving it tied.  Absent of other town-kill abilities, it is the only way we can kill scum.  But it's BM and anything can happen here.  It wasn't the end of the world if we waited until the next day to see what information came out.  You are focused on the "we needed to exile someone", and I don't think that was true.  To me though, this is not a major concern with your logic, just something that I wanted to point out as an observation.

There's not much too weigh in on concerning the "Fortress". Everything Joth has been reporting in the QT (which Didds and Galz can/have explained) is basically what I was told or more.

There is something interesting about the wording of my role though, it says, paraphrasing, that the fortress only helps against the mafia. I'm probably reading too much into it, since the wording also doesn't explicitly say we have night chat, but that could point to 1) the protection not working against townie kills, which would be worrying, see below, and 2) there is no third party that can kill.

I'm inclined to believe 2), which or me clears Galz (who would be most suspicious) as being a serial killer or whatever.

Reading into 1) a little more, it means either I didn't die last night for some other reason, or that Galz is scum, ie. the kill "technically" originates from him, and that fulfills the requirements for Fortress protection from a kill. I don't know what to believe there.

Moving on, there's the "fact" that it's bad if Bad Dwarfs get into the Fortress. But see, the flavor/logic there would be the bad dwarf could let scum into the fortress, letting them kill, ie. removing the Fortress's protection. But that flavor/logic doesn't work if it's a Townie kill. So if you live and die by the flavor, you once again might consider that I survived Swowl's kill for some other reason and also still be suspicious of Galz and Didds.

Anyway, I'm travelling, I'll post again tomorrow.

I'm confused still.  If scum is in the fortress, it removes the fortress's protection, which only protects against scum?  But if Swowl's kill originated from Galz, and you're saying that means a target on someone in the fortress wouldn't work because of your protection, but if Galz is scum then the protection wouldn't work (since scum is in the fortress) so the kill should go through.

So having only 1 kill, that should mean one of the following:
  • Swowl was RBed
  • Swowl is lying and didn't target anyone
  • Swowl is lying and did kill faust
  • the mafia kill didn't go through because they were RBed
  • the mafia didn't send a kill
  • the mafia kill didn't go through because it targeted the fortress and there is no scum in there
  • the sword is the mafia kill, which targeted faust, and Galz is lying that the fortress was targeted last night
  • our understanding of the fortress is wrong

A number of these (not just #7) hinge on the fact that we believe the fortress was targeted last night, based on Galz' statement.  If Bright and Didds can confirm that the fortress was actually targeted, we can eliminate many of these options.  If Galz' statement is incorrect, then Galz and Swowl have to be scum, I believe.  (If only 1 of Bright and Didds confirm and the other denies, then I think that means the person "confirming" is scum with Galz/Swowl).

Assuming we do get that confirmation noted above, then we are down to #3 (and then scum targeted someone in the fortress), #6 (which then also requires #3 to be true), or #8.  The combination of #3 and #6 only makes some sense again if Swowl is scum, I believe - why would Swowl lie about who he targeted, unless he thought the fact that the fortress being targeted (by his scum team) and kill not going through (by mod reveal) could be redirected as the scum kill was faust.

I'm really starting to think we have this whole protection-fortress thing misunderstood.  Because the thought process I've been working through and typing above is just getting really convoluted and making less and less sense.  I want to say that Swowl is Town, using a Scum sword (from Galz), which is why the target of someone in the fortress didn't go through... but that means Galz is scum, so that means we misunderstand how the fortress protects people (since he is scum and is in the fortress!)

Are there any people who can confirm that the fortress only gives protection if everyone in it is town, or do we have to take Bright's word for it?

Yes, this would be helpful.

Hi Didds, the information about the axe-sword and the information about the fortress protection if there are no scum in it, did you relay these to Swowl during day 2 or during night 2?
Of course, Swowl or mathdude you could answer this also.

Some information about the fortress protection was mentioned immediately after hammer - I believe that was the first mention.  It was then clarified for the next 24 hours, with more clarifying information coming just before night-action-deadline.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #777 on: April 22, 2021, 11:29:43 am »

Some information about the fortress protection was mentioned immediately after hammer - I believe that was the first mention.  It was then clarified for the next 24 hours, with more clarifying information coming just before night-action-deadline.

Where was this info? Or do you mean in a QT?
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« Reply #778 on: April 22, 2021, 12:25:24 pm »

Some information about the fortress protection was mentioned immediately after hammer - I believe that was the first mention.  It was then clarified for the next 24 hours, with more clarifying information coming just before night-action-deadline.

Where was this info? Or do you mean in a QT?

Yes, in our Snow White QT, as indicated by the quote directly above my statement that you quoted:
Hi Didds, the information about the axe-sword and the information about the fortress protection if there are no scum in it, did you relay these to Swowl during day 2 or during night 2?
Of course, Swowl or mathdude you could answer this also.

Some information about the fortress protection was mentioned immediately after hammer - I believe that was the first mention.  It was then clarified for the next 24 hours, with more clarifying information coming just before night-action-deadline.

But I realize now, it was being asked about both the axe-sword info and the fortress protection info.  I missed the first part (and only answered the fortress protection part).

For the axe-sword, I believe there are bits of information about that scattered all throughout our QT (even us trying to figure it out when Swowl got it, before Didds and Galz ended up in fortress).  It's a constant back and forth between Swowl and Didds, asking questions, trying to clarify, obviously Didds checking with Galz in fortress QT, etc.)  There's not one clear time of "here's information about the axe/sword", unlike with the fortress protection, where discussion about it is mainly concentrated at the two points mentioned.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #779 on: April 22, 2021, 03:20:07 pm »

I feel so left out - am I the only one not in an QT?? (I think maybe fang or faust?)

Which is probably why i also am just unsure of anything.

SO to understand better what exactly does the fortress protect against? and how does it protect, i.e. it seems like those in the fortress were able to learn the fortress was attacked? But not who specifically or by whom, some sort of generic, "the fortress was attacked last night".

I don't believe fang is in a QT, that we know of.

faust is dead.

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« Reply #780 on: April 22, 2021, 03:22:06 pm »

you're right, I forgot faust was dead.

fang, you and I should form a QT. Since this is bastard, let's just ask the mod:

joth, can fang and I have a special QT?
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« Reply #781 on: April 22, 2021, 03:27:47 pm »

Bright, from what you've told us, the fortress currently has a capacity of at least 4, and there are 3 in it. Would you mind inviting scolapasta into it now?
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« Reply #782 on: April 22, 2021, 03:37:29 pm »

I don't believe fang is in a QT, that we know of.
I have a nice QT with joth thank you.

Fortress QT: Bright, Didds, Galzria, formerly pubby, day and night, Didds and Galzria joined early day 2
Snow White QT: Swowl, Didds, mathdude day and night, from start of game
Awaclus secret admirer 1: Awaclus, pubby, day 2
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« Reply #783 on: April 22, 2021, 03:52:19 pm »

Bright, from what you've told us, the fortress currently has a capacity of at least 4, and there are 3 in it. Would you mind inviting scolapasta into it now?

You didn't like pasta's idea of the two of you getting a new, special QT?  Also, why do you want pasta in the fortress?  Are you two scum-buddies?

Scum QT: probably?

With all the QTs, it would actually be quite funny if scum didn't have their own.  Though I'm not sure how that would work, unless somehow there was just a single scum member.  Or maybe it's Awaclus, and his secret admirer each day is actually paired with him, whether or not they know it (though I guess pubby would have probably flipped scum yesterday then?)
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« Reply #784 on: April 22, 2021, 04:14:55 pm »

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« Reply #785 on: April 22, 2021, 05:18:08 pm »

I just realized I forgot to tell you when the day ends. It ends in four IRL days, which is I guess Sunday at 5. You will get a vote count later this evening. Probably.
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« Reply #786 on: April 22, 2021, 05:23:15 pm »

Logic from within the Snow White QT:

There is possibly a scum within our QT, just purely based on probability at this point.  But from a townie perspective within our QT, we have to start by voting outside our QT (until we find scum outside it).  There are 4 cases:

Case 1 - no scum in our QT, strategy is nearly perfect, as we keep voting people not in our QT until we find scum... then we try to see who that person is connected to, and decide whether we vote within or outside still.

Case 2 - 1 scum in our QT, but strategy should still work well... if we started voting within, and pick the wrong person (from my perspective, 50% chance of this between Didds and Swowl but from outside our QT, you guys have 67% of picking wrong), then the remaining two gun for each other, and you still have a 50% chance (barring people's reads) of getting it right next! ... so by starting voting outside our QT, looking for (probably) 2 out of you 5, that's better than 33% chance of random 1 of us 3, then finding connections from there.

Case 3 - 2 scum in our QT, I think we've pretty much lost already! ... if Didds and Swowl are scum, I don't think we stand a chance, because I'm pretty sure Swowl has convinced me it makes sense to vote outside our QT (and then the odds would be abysmal), unless someone else can find a hole in this logic and change my mind.

Case 4 - all 3 of us are scum (sucks to be you all!) ... but I can assure you that this case cannot be true, unless I'm scum without knowing that I'm scum - I guess it's BM, so anything's possible.
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« Reply #787 on: April 22, 2021, 05:24:15 pm »

I just realized I forgot to tell you when the day ends. It ends in four IRL days, which is I guess Sunday at 5. You will get a vote count later this evening. Probably.

4 IRL days from start of day?  Or 4 IRL days from now?  If from now, then that's Monday at 5, not Sunday.
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« Reply #788 on: April 22, 2021, 05:30:17 pm »

Bright, from what you've told us, the fortress currently has a capacity of at least 4, and there are 3 in it. Would you mind inviting scolapasta into it now?

You didn't like pasta's idea of the two of you getting a new, special QT?  Also, why do you want pasta in the fortress?  Are you two scum-buddies?

No, just he said he was lonely and wanted to be in one.
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« Reply #789 on: April 22, 2021, 05:33:54 pm »

Here the biggest problem with Galz’s argument... if I am scum, then the fortress shouldn’t have held, right? I’m under the impression that Brighty lives because he has only included town. So, how do you get me from being the relay between qts to being scum knowing that?
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« Reply #790 on: April 22, 2021, 05:36:41 pm »

Here the biggest problem with Galz’s argument... if I am scum, then the fortress shouldn’t have held, right? I’m under the impression that Brighty lives because he has only included town. So, how do you get me from being the relay between qts to being scum knowing that?
Did you actually read Galz's argument?
Ah, ok, my bad. You are starting with Galz's argument after all.

The thing I want to know is whether you checked with the others in the fortress before sharing how the protection worked in your other QT. Did you?
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« Reply #791 on: April 22, 2021, 08:22:06 pm »

you're right, I forgot faust was dead.

fang, you and I should form a QT. Since this is bastard, let's just ask the mod:

joth, can fang and I have a special QT?

I admire your moxie. But if I gave you a QT just for asking everyone would want one!
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« Reply #792 on: April 22, 2021, 08:40:18 pm »

you're right, I forgot faust was dead.

fang, you and I should form a QT. Since this is bastard, let's just ask the mod:

joth, can fang and I have a special QT?

I admire your moxie. But if I gave you a QT just for asking everyone would want one!

EVERYONE ELSE ALREADY HAS ONE!

(but no worries, I didn't really expect it to work)
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« Reply #793 on: April 22, 2021, 08:47:34 pm »

I just realized I forgot to tell you when the day ends. It ends in four IRL days, which is I guess Sunday at 5. You will get a vote count later this evening. Probably.

4 IRL days from start of day?  Or 4 IRL days from now?  If from now, then that's Monday at 5, not Sunday.

You're right. Monday at 5.
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« Reply #794 on: April 22, 2021, 09:16:04 pm »

you're right, I forgot faust was dead.

fang, you and I should form a QT. Since this is bastard, let's just ask the mod:

joth, can fang and I have a special QT?

That is awesome! I love the initiative!
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« Reply #795 on: April 22, 2021, 09:22:37 pm »

Here the biggest problem with Galz’s argument... if I am scum, then the fortress shouldn’t have held, right? I’m under the impression that Brighty lives because he has only included town. So, how do you get me from being the relay between qts to being scum knowing that?
Did you actually read Galz's argument?
Ah, ok, my bad. You are starting with Galz's argument after all.

The thing I want to know is whether you checked with the others in the fortress before sharing how the protection worked in your other QT. Did you?

I don’t think so...let me check. I did not. Actually rereading, I’m not talking much in the fortress except to ask the questions Swowl wants to know the answer to.

I’m pretty much ride or die with the 7 dwarves. I’ve told them everything from the beginning and as it’s happening.
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« Reply #796 on: April 22, 2021, 09:26:09 pm »

I feel so left out - am I the only one not in an QT?? (I think maybe fang or faust?)

Which is probably why i also am just unsure of anything.

SO to understand better what exactly does the fortress protect against? and how does it protect, i.e. it seems like those in the fortress were able to learn the fortress was attacked? But not who specifically or by whom, some sort of generic, "the fortress was attacked last night".

That is exactly right. Joth said at the start of the day that you have in quotes there
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« Reply #797 on: April 22, 2021, 09:35:34 pm »

you're right, I forgot faust was dead.

fang, you and I should form a QT. Since this is bastard, let's just ask the mod:

joth, can fang and I have a special QT?

That is awesome! I love the initiative!

Meh, it didn't work though. Maybe if I ask for other stuff?

joth, can I have ONE MILLION DOLLARS?
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« Reply #798 on: April 23, 2021, 12:38:45 am »

vote: Didds
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« Reply #799 on: April 23, 2021, 12:46:56 am »

Vote: Fang
I think I understand where this vote comes from. Makes me feel a bit better about you Swowl, so long as it's genuine.
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« Reply #800 on: April 23, 2021, 12:54:12 am »

Meh, I may as well explain my vote.

It's similar to Galzria's concern about Didds relaying the axe-sword stuff outside the fortress. But what's more concerning is her willingness to relay how the fortress protection works outside the fortress. That information is priceless to Bad Dwarves, so surely a Good Dwarf only does that if they know (somehow) that there is already a Bad Dwarf inside the fortress.
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« Reply #801 on: April 23, 2021, 01:42:28 am »

Swowl rubs his head in confusion about Fang's theory regarding WCD. Swowl points out that if WCD was a Bad Dwarf, then by the way the information was presented, Swowl's shot at Bright should of killed Bright. Swowl continues to speak, explaining that obviously it did not... therefore, by WCD and Fang's logic, there are in fact no bad dwarfs in the Fortress.

Swowl understands that that may not be how the fortress actually works, but says that it is 100% how WCD relayed what she thought about how she knew it worked.

Swowl expresses that they pretty much never expressed real interest in shooting anyone other than Bright wayyyyy prior to the info/thought of the fortress thing, so WCD had no reason to attempt to direct his shot there.
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« Reply #802 on: April 23, 2021, 01:44:20 am »

Swowl ponders if Fang really understands where their vote came from. Swowl wonders if Fang could guess the one other player that Swowl would vote for today.
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« Reply #803 on: April 23, 2021, 01:54:21 am »

Swowl rubs his head in confusion about Fang's theory regarding WCD. Swowl points out that if WCD was a Bad Dwarf, then by the way the information was presented, Swowl's shot at Bright should of killed Bright. Swowl continues to speak, explaining that obviously it did not... therefore, by WCD and Fang's logic, there are in fact no bad dwarfs in the Fortress.

Swowl understands that that may not be how the fortress actually works, but says that it is 100% how WCD relayed what she thought about how she knew it worked.

Swowl expresses that they pretty much never expressed real interest in shooting anyone other than Bright wayyyyy prior to the info/thought of the fortress thing, so WCD had no reason to attempt to direct his shot there.


Did WCD know you were going to shoot Bright? She's probably a doctor, it would be trivial for her to stop the kill to make it look like everyone in the fortress is town.
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« Reply #804 on: April 23, 2021, 01:54:40 am »

Shoot with the sword, that is.
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« Reply #805 on: April 23, 2021, 02:00:17 am »

Swowl pulls out a whiteboard with the writings of the peak of the WCD wagon on Day 1. It reads:
WestCoastDidds (6): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmmm, Awaclus
Jimmmmm (3): Swowl, WestCoastDidds, EFHW
Galzria (1): scolapasta
pubby (1): Brightgalrs
infangthief (1): Galzria

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Swowl continues to point out that the other person that does not yet possess a known color on the WCD wagon is Fang.
Swowl considers out loud that either Fang and WCD are both skum and Fang was stuck, or Fang is skum and WCD is Town, or they are both town.
Swowl says he does not think they are both town, however, if they are, then that makes math pretty likely skum... but if Swowl has to pick, he is picking Fang today.
Swowl also points out that if WCD is skum then there is like no way that Math or Awaclus are skum, but still a possibility of Fang. Though less likely than if WCD is town.
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« Reply #806 on: April 23, 2021, 02:01:15 am »

Swowl explains to Awaclus that he considered this. Though there is some unexpected comfort given to Swowl based on the message the Fortress got about being targeted.
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« Reply #807 on: April 23, 2021, 02:02:02 am »

Swowl also adds that the dwarves did know about bright being the target.
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« Reply #808 on: April 23, 2021, 02:11:59 am »

Swowl explains to Awaclus that he considered this. Though there is some unexpected comfort given to Swowl based on the message the Fortress got about being targeted.
That would be a strange kind of doctor, flavourwise.
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« Reply #809 on: April 23, 2021, 02:13:55 am »

Swowl ponders if Fang really understands where their vote came from. Swowl wonders if Fang could guess the one other player that Swowl would vote for today.
Not at the moment.
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« Reply #810 on: April 23, 2021, 02:16:36 am »

Swowl continues to point out that the other person that does not yet possess a known color on the WCD wagon is Fang.
What is mathdude's colour?

Swowl considers out loud that either Fang and WCD are both skum and Fang was stuck, or Fang is skum and WCD is Town, or they are both town.
Or that WCD is skum and Fang is Town with a correct read.
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« Reply #811 on: April 23, 2021, 02:30:49 am »

Swowl explains to Awaclus that he considered this. Though there is some unexpected comfort given to Swowl based on the message the Fortress got about being targeted.

Well, it was targeted if you're telling the truth. I don't think that message really tells us anything we don't know.
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« Reply #812 on: April 23, 2021, 02:31:02 am »

Swowl apologizes. He points out Fang is correct on the first point. Swowl currently has WCD and Fang colored yellow in their VCA (because thread).
Swowl responds to Fang's second point saying that they are obviously correct again. That was a mistake on Swowl's part.
Swowl points out talking like this without quotes is hard.
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« Reply #813 on: April 23, 2021, 02:32:22 am »

Swowl reminds Awaclus that the terminology used in the fortress thing was "attacked", not "targeted".
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« Reply #814 on: April 23, 2021, 02:36:03 am »

Swowl realizes he said targeted. He reminds that the exact terminology was "attacked".
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« Reply #815 on: April 23, 2021, 02:38:20 am »

Swowl thinks that if anyone else targeted a Fortress player with a killing action last night they should claim immediately.
Swowl reminds players to remember this request in case anyone tries to claim it down the road.
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« Reply #816 on: April 23, 2021, 02:39:21 am »

Swowl reminds Awaclus that the terminology used in the fortress thing was "attacked", not "targeted".

I'm not sure how that distinction is useful. You did attack the fortress.
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« Reply #817 on: April 23, 2021, 02:41:08 am »

Swowl points out that the obvious resolution if Swowl was blocked would be that he never targeted the resolution.
He points out that "attacked" would mean that the shot attempted to hit Bright.
That is all that Swowl intended to clarify there.
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« Reply #818 on: April 23, 2021, 02:42:33 am »

Swowl realizes that is poorly worded.
Swowl writes on the whiteboard of clarification and it reads:
"If I was blocked, then I don't think they would of gotten that message".
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« Reply #819 on: April 23, 2021, 02:43:08 am »

Swowl points out that the obvious resolution if Swowl was blocked would be that he never targeted the resolution.
He points out that "attacked" would mean that the shot attempted to hit Bright.
That is all that Swowl intended to clarify there.


A doctor doesn't block actions, it protects from a kill (by healing the wounds).
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« Reply #820 on: April 23, 2021, 02:44:40 am »

Swowl gasps, as they forgot about the WCD doctor shot thing. But also points out that layers of protection act in the same way as an RB and his shot would of never made it through to register as a shot as it would of been absolved by the doc shot in question.
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« Reply #821 on: April 23, 2021, 03:03:57 am »

Swowl gasps, as they forgot about the WCD doctor shot thing. But also points out that layers of protection act in the same way as an RB and his shot would of never made it through to register as a shot as it would of been absolved by the doc shot in question.

1) How do you know that? That's not in the rules and I don't think that's a standard rule either. Even if it was a standard rule, this is very much not a standard game.

2) If that's true, the fortress protection itself should also work the same way as an RB.
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« Reply #822 on: April 23, 2021, 03:54:26 am »

Swowl walks in circles looking at his feet, confused, as he is very much not used to talking to an Awaclus that actually has a conversation.
Swowl also points out that is a jab/joke, and not a lead to insinuate Awaclus is acting skummy.

Swowl ultimately he decides he  *sort of* agrees with Awaclus.
He considers that if it were a standard game and Player A targeted Player B with a Killing Action... if Player B was Doctored... A Player C Wather would still see the attempt.

Swowl retorts that if you were a 1 shot BP that was informed of when your BP was used, you would not be informed as such if you were doctored and that doctor prevented your BP shield being used.
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« Reply #823 on: April 23, 2021, 03:58:24 am »

Swowl walks in circles looking at his feet, confused, as he is very much not used to talking to an Awaclus that actually has a conversation.
Swowl also points out that is a jab/joke, and not a lead to insinuate Awaclus is acting skummy.

Swowl ultimately he decides he  *sort of* agrees with Awaclus.
He considers that if it were a standard game and Player A targeted Player B with a Killing Action... if Player B was Doctored... A Player C Wather would still see the attempt.

Swowl retorts that if you were a 1 shot BP that was informed of when your BP was used, you would not be informed as such if you were doctored and that doctor prevented your BP shield being used.


Anyway, the main point is this question: did Didds know you were going to target Bright?
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« Reply #824 on: April 23, 2021, 04:01:31 am »

Swowl also points out that Didds is not dumb, and therefore probably would of thought that through as skum.

Swowl also points out that the leading players on the Didds wagon (at peak) have both flipped town. This makes it extremely likely that one of the following players that joined said wagon are skum.
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« Reply #825 on: April 23, 2021, 04:02:22 am »

Swowl points out he has already made it clear that the others of the 7 dwarves thread knew he was going to target Bright.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #826 on: April 23, 2021, 04:03:46 am »

Swowl points out he has already made it clear that the others of the 7 dwarves thread knew he was going to target Bright.

Sorry, it wasn't that clear to me for some reason.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #827 on: April 23, 2021, 04:04:00 am »

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #828 on: April 23, 2021, 04:08:19 am »

Swowl is sad.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #829 on: April 23, 2021, 07:45:34 am »

Yes, I knew he was going to target Bright. As did the rest of my qt. We specifically talked about bright being 3p, or scummy, and/or protected by the fortress. I’m still not convinced he’s not 3p, but I’m not sure that the fortress protects with scum in it so I’m assuming that neither he nor Galz are scum.

I doctored Awaclus last night, which I also told the qt. If someone tracked me, they know it, too.

I woke up this morning wondering if there were no scum in this game (very Joth!) but Fang and pasta are real unknowns.



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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #830 on: April 23, 2021, 07:48:31 am »

I woke up this morning wondering if there were no scum in this game (very Joth!) but Fang and pasta are real unknowns.
I woke up this morning wondering whether the whole fortress and snow white neighbourhoods are bad dwarves.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #831 on: April 23, 2021, 09:34:41 am »

I'm not sure I agree with the passing-on-information-is-scum is scummy thing. Being in two neighborhoods, it seems like Didds might have thought of themself as a messenger. Still probably should've said what they were doing though. However, my suspicions from Day 1, which clearly I dropped for Day 2 with the whole pubby thing, might still hold. So maybe I could be persuaded to vote on that principle.

I doctored Awaclus last night, which I also told the qt. If someone tracked me, they know it, too.
Also did I miss when Didds claimed they were a literal doctor in this thread, besides the above post? It's the not first slip-up I've noticed so far, because  I never actually said my neighborhood was a "Fortress" yesterday, I think pubby accidentally called it that in one of his posts.

I was about to propose a mass roleclaim here, since we apparently have so much protection to go around., but isn't that strange? An entire neighborhood that protects from kills, and a doctor? Since we essentially have a townie vigilante, Didds as a mafia doctor does seem like something.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #832 on: April 23, 2021, 10:04:18 am »

I doctored Awaclus last night, which I also told the qt. If someone tracked me, they know it, too.

Thanks, Doc

Anyway, obviously there's no way you could claim you're targeting Bright in that situation because it would be incredibly scummy, so the best you can do is to commit to a fake claim early and hope nobody tracks you. And scum generally has to make themselves vulnerable to a tracker in order to commit the night kill anyway, so your team could just have you commit the kill and fakeclaim who you're doctoring to effectively kill two birds with one stone, without having to take any extra risks.

(because me somehow dying despite your doctoring is not that big of a risk when you know the vig is targeting someone else, there probably isn't a second vig since there hasn't ever been two deaths, and even if there was one, you're obviously going to claim to doctor who you think is the least likely vig target because anything else wouldn't make sense as a claim anyway — and if I got killed despite it being highly unlikely, it's not even hard to come up with plausible explanations for why that could happen through a doctor protection).

You might even be pretty sure there isn't a tracker in the game at this point, considering how many people's roles are already known plus whatever extra info you might have from being in the QTs.

So basically that is an incredibly unimpressive defense, unless a tracker actually saw you do it.
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« Reply #833 on: April 23, 2021, 10:59:13 am »

I don’t think so...let me check. I did not. Actually rereading, I’m not talking much in the fortress except to ask the questions Swowl wants to know the answer to.

I’m pretty much ride or die with the 7 dwarves. I’ve told them everything from the beginning and as it’s happening.

Didds has been fairly open with us in Snow White QT, openly admitting that she is trying to find out useful information to share with us.  As for the "ride or die", that's the impression I've gotten, so I'm not surprised to hear her say this.  I'm not in the same boat... I've openly told them in QT, I really don't know whether I can trust either of them.  I feel like they are both leading my opinions a little more than I want, and I have followed them, helping vote out Jimmmmm D1 and pubby D2, both of which were the wrong choice (well, neutral choice D2, as I was the alternative, but I'm glad I'm still alive to try to figure this out today).

Swowl rubs his head in confusion about Fang's theory regarding WCD. Swowl points out that if WCD was a Bad Dwarf, then by the way the information was presented, Swowl's shot at Bright should of killed Bright. Swowl continues to speak, explaining that obviously it did not... therefore, by WCD and Fang's logic, there are in fact no bad dwarfs in the Fortress.

Swowl understands that that may not be how the fortress actually works, but says that it is 100% how WCD relayed what she thought about how she knew it worked.

I'm stuck in the same boat here, confused about Didds, and also confused about fortress protection.  As Swowl said, my understanding (based on what Didds has said) is that if there is scum in the fortress, protection is invalid (and thus, a target on someone there, who Swowl has now said was Bright, should have successfully killed).  If Didds is scum, and may have relayed false information to us, it is now in the open and Bright can call it out and we can exile Didds.  But if the information is correct, then that clears Bright, Didds, and Galz as non-scum (can't guarantee not third party).

However, this leaves only 5 (me, Swowl, Awaclus, pasta, and fang)... and for any of us in those 5, only 4... of which 2 or 3 are likely scum (earlier I had been assuming 3 total, but now I'm starting to wonder if just 2).  I'll go back and look at the votes later, but I believe most of them (Swowl excluded) have been off-wagon of day exiles, which would be very fortunate for them that town or Swowl was the only ones pushing town-exiles.

Although, maybe that was the plan... Swowl, with extra sway to get me and Didds to follow, pushes one wagon that goes through, to hopefully make his other scum-buddies (1 or 2 of Awaclus, pasta, and fang) look like they were trying not to exile the people that ended up flipping town.

My only problem with this theory is, given the protection information Swowl knew, why would he not just use the sword to kill me or someone else not in the fortress to be in a better position today?  Does it make him look more townie, to have his kill attempt protected?  Did he think by leaving me alive that I'd just vote with him again?  I think this tells me that he only has 1 partner, because if he had 2 other partners, and he had a 2nd successful kill last night, they would be at 4-3 and Swowl still has the sword, I think.

But what's more concerning is her willingness to relay how the fortress protection works outside the fortress. That information is priceless to Bad Dwarves, so surely a Good Dwarf only does that if they know (somehow) that there is already a Bad Dwarf inside the fortress.

This may be a relevant point about Didds sharing information D2, though sharing misinformation about the fortress, if she's scum, as a way to direct me and/or Swowl (but not killing us last night) seems dangerous, when information shared in QTs can be confirmed or proven wrong in game here.

However, today, I think it would be best if Bright can at least confirm whether we are correct or not in our interpretation.  If having scum in the fortress means protection doesn't work, then we have 3 conf-towns (or 3 scums).  If we're wrong, Bright doesn't need to tell us everything, but can at least confirm that we don't have 3 conf-towns.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #834 on: April 23, 2021, 11:10:24 am »

Swowl pulls out a whiteboard with the writings of the peak of the WCD wagon on Day 1. It reads:
WestCoastDidds (6): pubby, faust, mathdude, infangthief, Jimmmmm, Awaclus
Jimmmmm (3): Swowl, WestCoastDidds, EFHW
Galzria (1): scolapasta
pubby (1): Brightgalrs
infangthief (1): Galzria

Swowl points out that right after the L-1 vote Awaclus immediately leaves the wagon for Pubby, who is the other wagon. Swowl finds this towny.


I don't see how this is townie.  If Didds is scum, then leaving the Didds wagon at L-1 is very scummy.  Or are you still working under the assumption that everyone in Snow White QT is non-scum?  I don't think you can do that.  Didds might be scum.  You might be scum (which then makes sense that you are painting me and Didds as town, to try and convince us to vote with you).

Swowl also points out that the leading players on the Didds wagon (at peak) have both flipped town. This makes it extremely likely that one of the following players that joined said wagon are skum.


Again, I think this only makes sense if Didds is town.

I doctored Awaclus last night, which I also told the qt. If someone tracked me, they know it, too.
Also did I miss when Didds claimed they were a literal doctor in this thread, besides the above post? It's the not first slip-up I've noticed so far, because  I never actually said my neighborhood was a "Fortress" yesterday, I think pubby accidentally called it that in one of his posts.

I know Didds claimed in QT.  But I've just gone back to look, and she did at least claim the flavour-name of Doc in game as well:
I’m Doc. I have a nieighborhood with some of the other 7 dwarves.
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Because I am a doc! But, of course, not that kind of doctor says every PhD everywhere.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #835 on: April 23, 2021, 02:44:54 pm »

Vote Count 3.1



WestCoastDidds (3): Galzria, infangthief, Awaclus
infangthief (1): Swowl

Not voting: scolapasta, mathdude, Brightgalrs, WestCoastDidds
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah, Ozle, Diddzria
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #836 on: April 23, 2021, 02:45:10 pm »

I woke up this morning wondering if there were no scum in this game (very Joth!) but Fang and pasta are real unknowns.
I woke up this morning wondering whether the whole fortress and snow white neighbourhoods are bad dwarves.

5 scum??
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #837 on: April 23, 2021, 02:49:24 pm »

Or were you just facetious?

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #838 on: April 23, 2021, 03:27:09 pm »

I'm stuck in the same boat here, confused about Didds, and also confused about fortress protection.  As Swowl said, my understanding (based on what Didds has said) is that if there is scum in the fortress, protection is invalid (and thus, a target on someone there, who Swowl has now said was Bright, should have successfully killed).  If Didds is scum, and may have relayed false information to us, it is now in the open and Bright can call it out and we can exile Didds.  But if the information is correct, then that clears Bright, Didds, and Galz as non-scum (can't guarantee not third party).

Don't listen to Didds, Didds is scum.

Here's everything you need to know about the fortress:

  • The fortress protects everyone in it, as long as everyone in it is town (source: Bright)
  • Didds is a doctor (source: Didds)
  • Didds knew who Swowl was going to target (source: Didds and Swowl, you can probably see it directly in the QT as well)
  • Therefore faking the fortress protection would have been trivial for scum!Didds, and so, the fact that the kill didn't go through doesn't do anything, not even a little bit, to clear Didds from suspicions (although it does clear any hypothetical team without Didds but with someone else from the fortress)

There are a few more things that are possibly worth noting, although we don't immediately learn anything useful from them:

  • According to Bright's claim that he's not completely sure about because joth's wording wasn't completely clear, the fortress protection only works against attacks that originate from scum. Swowl could be scum, and he could technically be the origin of that kill, in which case the protection could have been active. If Galzria is technically the origin, the protection couldn't have been active because he would have to be both scum and town, which probably isn't possible even in a BM game. If Swowl is town, the only way the protection could have been active is if Bright is misinterpreting how his role works.
  • Bright's entire claim about the fortress having any protection, or parts of it, could technically be lies, since there's only a weak, non-conclusive confirmation for them (which is the message they received when the fortress was attacked). However, I'm inclined to think it's true, because to me, right now Bright really looks like someone whose abilities have produced unexpected results and he's trying to figure out what on earth is going on, not like someone who came up with a plan to use a fake claim to further some specific agenda. Furthermore, it doesn't really matter all that much whether he actually was telling the truth, as long as scum!Didds believed it and/or assumed that town would.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #839 on: April 23, 2021, 03:34:15 pm »

Also, it seems like the only person who hasn't checked in after my vote on Didds is scolapasta. Either Didds is scum, or there is at most 1 scum in [Swowl, mathdude, Bright], unless scum has simply chosen not to take this opportunity to quickhammer.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #840 on: April 23, 2021, 04:03:59 pm »

Swowl points out there could be more than 1 "scum" within [Swowl, Math, Bright], but 2/3 of them cannot be partners under the assumption that WCD is Town.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #841 on: April 23, 2021, 04:48:06 pm »

Or there are scum in Galz, Fang, Awa and they can’t quickhammer because they are the freaking scum.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #842 on: April 23, 2021, 04:55:42 pm »

The mental gymnastics that it takes for Awa to be right require that
1. I talk Swowl into targeting someone in the fortress (this did not happen)
2. That Swowl tells me who he is targeting in time for me to doctor that person
3. That the person is someone I can doctor and my shot is successful (these are hazy to me because Joth)
4. That there could be a scum doctor
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« Reply #843 on: April 23, 2021, 04:57:06 pm »

I don't think 1 has to be true. As long as you knew he was targeting someone in the fortress, scum!Didds could take advantage of that fact.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #844 on: April 23, 2021, 04:58:05 pm »

And I don’t know what the point would be.

If I was scum, I would want someone to die. Saving them would be counter productive
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« Reply #845 on: April 23, 2021, 04:59:58 pm »

I don't think 1 has to be true. As long as you knew he was targeting someone in the fortress, scum!Didds could take advantage of that fact.

But why would I?
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« Reply #846 on: April 23, 2021, 05:01:13 pm »

It's been a busy day, so a question that is probably somewhere in the posts above?

Didds did you claim to doctor Bright?

If so, then why exactly are we assuming the fortress actually did any protecting?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #847 on: April 23, 2021, 05:13:39 pm »

Swowl explains to pasta that the people in the fortress got a message stating it was attacked and that WCD claimed to doctor Awaclus.
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« Reply #848 on: April 23, 2021, 05:14:04 pm »

Or were you just facetious?

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #849 on: April 23, 2021, 05:14:48 pm »

I doctored Awaclus.

We are assuming the fortress protected because Swowl aimed the axesword at Bright, and because this morning we were told that the fortress had been attacked.
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« Reply #850 on: April 23, 2021, 05:21:34 pm »

When Awaclus brings up the possibility that Didds might have doctored Bright, Swowl responds with:
Swowl explains to Awaclus that he considered this.

Then a bit later:
Swowl gasps, as they forgot about the WCD doctor shot thing.

Then a bit later, Didds says:
I doctored Awaclus last night, which I also told the qt.
From context, I understand the qt in that last quote to be the Snow White neighbourhood.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #851 on: April 23, 2021, 05:22:55 pm »

Ok, well, BM and all.

Joth, did Didds doctor Awaclus last night?
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« Reply #852 on: April 23, 2021, 05:23:49 pm »

And while we're at it...
Joth, is Didds a Bad Dwarf?
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« Reply #853 on: April 23, 2021, 05:33:55 pm »

Posting. Don’t prod me. Will catch up tonight.
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« Reply #854 on: April 23, 2021, 05:37:46 pm »

Swowl tells fang this is out of context.
Swowl confirms all the statements listed, but when they said "they forgot" they were speaking about that exact instance in the back and forth with Awaclus.
Swowl points out that is why he said "I forgot".
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #855 on: April 23, 2021, 05:43:12 pm »

When Awaclus brings up the possibility that Didds might have doctored Bright, Swowl responds with:
Swowl explains to Awaclus that he considered this.

Then a bit later:
Swowl gasps, as they forgot about the WCD doctor shot thing.

Then a bit later, Didds says:
I doctored Awaclus last night, which I also told the qt.
From context, I understand the qt in that last quote to be the Snow White neighbourhood.

So Swowl, Didds, how do you feel about the inconsistencies here?

I am not bothered by the Swowl inconsistencies nor do I find them scummy. A couple of reasons.... our QT is long. Like 200 messages so far long. It’s easy for things to get lost in the shuffle. The doctor order goes in my qt with Joth, so he’s not seeing it bolded or anything like that.

Second, and maybe more important, my ability is super hazy. It only works on some players. And it’s not reliable and might even hurt, but Joth won’t tell me what those odds are. So, I’m doctoring folks that I think might be scum so that if they get hurt, that helps us.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #856 on: April 23, 2021, 05:44:36 pm »

And while we're at it...
Joth, is Didds a Bad Dwarf?

Joth told me to tell you that Didds is a Good Dwarf
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« Reply #857 on: April 23, 2021, 06:18:06 pm »

Ok, well, BM and all.

Joth, did Didds doctor Awaclus last night?

Let's see what else gets answered.

joth, if a doctor role successfully prevents from dying someone targeted by a kill ability, would there be any message from you confirming this? Would you send someone a message in a QT or in this game thread to the effect of a successful doctor save?

Another question... if there are multiple protections on the same person, is there an order or priority that they occur? Would one take precedence and the other(s) do nothing?

Let's keep going. Joth, who did Didds target last night?

Is fang or pasta in any QT related to this game with someone else who is playing, rather than just with you?

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« Reply #858 on: April 23, 2021, 06:30:27 pm »

What did I start?!?
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« Reply #859 on: April 23, 2021, 06:36:56 pm »

Or there are scum in Galz, Fang, Awa and they can’t quickhammer because they are the freaking scum.

That is not mutually exclusive with the statement that either you're scum or there is at most 1 scum in [Swowl, mathdude, Bright], unless scum has simply chosen not to take this opportunity to quickhammer. For example, if the scum is Galz/Fang/mathdude, then Galz and Fang can't quickhammer because they are the freaking scum, and there is at most 1 scum in [Swowl, mathdude, Bright].

By the way, now that list of at most 1 scum also includes scolapasta. And for it to be consistent with the fortress protecting, even though it only protects against attacks from scum, that at most 1 scum in that list would have to be Swowl.

I doctored Awaclus.

We are assuming the fortress protected because Swowl aimed the axesword at Bright, and because this morning we were told that the fortress had been attacked.

We are not assuming the fortress protected, because we have no way to confirm that you doctored me. The fact that you were told that the fortress had been attacked doesn't confirm that, it only confirms that someone (presumably Swowl) attacked the fortress (presumably with a sword), which I think nobody is questioning. Flavor-wise, if you were in a fortress, surely you would notice if someone charged in with a sword and stabbed one of you, even if a doctor managed to keep him alive by healing his wounds, so it's not strange that you would get notified that the fortress had been attacked.

Second, and maybe more important, my ability is super hazy. It only works on some players. And it’s not reliable and might even hurt, but Joth won’t tell me what those odds are. So, I’m doctoring folks that I think might be scum so that if they get hurt, that helps us.

Did you ever inform any of the QTs about this? If so, when (notably, was it before or after the fact that I had claimed a hazy ability that is not reliable and might even hurt)?

I think that's enough for now.

I have one more

Joth, hypothetically speaking, if a dwarf A forges a cursed sword and hands it to another dwarf B who is forced to choose someone to kill with it, would the origin of the kill be considered to be dwarf A or dwarf B? Completely hypothetically, without confirming whether or not that is a thing that could happen in this game and whether or not the answer would matter for any reason in this game.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #860 on: April 23, 2021, 06:52:10 pm »

@Swowl: which part of this do you disagree with?

  • Bright's claim that the fortress protection only works when the attack originates from scum and everyone in the fortress is town is believable.
  • Therefore, if Galz is considered to be the origin of the attack, the protection can't work, because he is in the fortress and he can't be both town and scum.
  • If you are considered to be the origin of the attack, the protection can't work if you're town.
  • You're town.
  • It does not seem plausible within reason that anyone other than you or Galzria could be considered to be the origin of the attack.
  • It follows that the protection did not work.
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« Reply #861 on: April 23, 2021, 07:46:50 pm »

Oh right, I almost forgot to respond to this one.

The mental gymnastics that it takes for Awa to be right require that
1. I talk Swowl into targeting someone in the fortress (this did not happen)
2. That Swowl tells me who he is targeting in time for me to doctor that person
3. That the person is someone I can doctor and my shot is successful (these are hazy to me because Joth)
4. That there could be a scum doctor

1. That is not required. If anything, this is probably not a situation you wanted to find yourself in, but more of a situation where it was about to get revealed that the fortress protection doesn't work as long as you're in it, and you were forced to do what you could to keep that fact concealed. Well, it's pointless to speculate about that because it doesn't really matter: Swowl did in fact decide to target Bright, so this is how it worked out.

2. That did happen.

3. It sure is a convenient time for this fact to surface. However, even if it's true, it doesn't prove anything, unless we can prove that Bright is not someone you can doctor. Even if it's risky, scum!you had to take that risk in that situation because not even trying would have been strictly worse.

4. It looks like scum doctors are Normal on MafiaScum, there could very easily be a scum doctor in an f.ds BM.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #862 on: April 23, 2021, 08:00:13 pm »

And I don’t know what the point would be.

Yes you do. As it turns out, the mere possibility that the fortress protection didn't work is so inconvenient for you that you're trying to deny it, even though it's clearly there. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be a reason for three people to be voting for you, and you could just admit that the possibility is indeed there and you would be fine. Surely, by extension, having it confirmed would be much worse, and quite likely worth using a doctor shot for. Especially if Galzria is your scum buddy.

If I was scum, I would want someone to die. Saving them would be counter productive

So, you're saying that if you were town, you would not want someone to die and saving them would be productive, yet you're claiming you didn't do that?
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« Reply #863 on: April 23, 2021, 08:15:22 pm »

What am I, a magic 8 ball?  Ask again later.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #864 on: April 23, 2021, 08:16:59 pm »

I would unironically like to have this answered and I don't think it's an obviously unreasonable question:

Joth, hypothetically speaking, if a dwarf A forges a cursed sword and hands it to another dwarf B who is forced to choose someone to kill with it, would the origin of the kill be considered to be dwarf A or dwarf B? Completely hypothetically, without confirming whether or not that is a thing that could happen in this game and whether or not the answer would matter for any reason in this game.
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« Reply #865 on: April 23, 2021, 08:19:33 pm »

Hypothetically, a mod is more likely to answer a question about a specific power in the QT of someone who has mod-originated information that power exists than in the main thread.
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« Reply #866 on: April 23, 2021, 08:24:12 pm »

Fine, can you go answer that question in the QT of any people who might have that role?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #867 on: April 24, 2021, 02:00:53 am »

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #868 on: April 24, 2021, 02:15:26 am »

Swowl tells fang this is out of context.
Swowl confirms all the statements listed, but when they said "they forgot" they were speaking about that exact instance in the back and forth with Awaclus.
Swowl points out that is why he said "I forgot".

Oh, I thought the back and forth with Awaclus was entirely about whether the "fortress attacked" message would have occurred if Didds had doctored Bright.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #869 on: April 24, 2021, 08:30:06 am »

And I don’t know what the point would be.

Yes you do. As it turns out, the mere possibility that the fortress protection didn't work is so inconvenient for you that you're trying to deny it, even though it's clearly there. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be a reason for three people to be voting for you, and you could just admit that the possibility is indeed there and you would be fine. Surely, by extension, having it confirmed would be much worse, and quite likely worth using a doctor shot for. Especially if Galzria is your scum buddy.

If I was scum, I would want someone to die. Saving them would be counter productive

So, you're saying that if you were town, you would not want someone to die and saving them would be productive, yet you're claiming you didn't do that?

I am town, I did not want someone to die. I didn’t have anything to do with Bright dying or not, except that I am in the fortress and I am not scum which helps it’s maintain it’s protective power, according to Bright.

There are are like 5 avenues of backward logic here and I can’t even follow you through the twists. There is no scenario where I am playing 3 levels beyond like that. You have played with me for a couple of years now...I think you know this. That’s not how I even consider proceeding. It’s too complicated and I am notoriously bad at being able to twist and lie. The most logical reasoning is that the protection held because there are no scum. For me to fake the protection holding seems absurd. The effort that you are expending trying to concoct a plausible scenario is way beyond plausible.

Also, the haziness of my doc abilities was not conveniently revealed. I’ve said that from the beginning in my qt, and it feels like more than once here although I don’t have time to read back to check.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #870 on: April 24, 2021, 08:32:59 am »

I’m going camping tonight. I’ll be back home tomorrow.

Please don’t exile me while I’m gone. I don’t know that we have much latitude to lose many more town and I don’t want us to lose because I’m off in the first being a good dwarf and frolicking among the trees.
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« Reply #871 on: April 24, 2021, 10:16:08 am »

I am town, I did not want someone to die. I didn’t have anything to do with Bright dying or not, except that I am in the fortress and I am not scum which helps it’s maintain it’s protective power, according to Bright.

You are a doctor, you could have tried to prevent the kill. From what I gather, you did not know the fortress wouldn't protect against a kill coming from town, though, so if you're going to claim you didn't take into account the possibility of Swowl being town, fair enough. Even then, the chances of at least one of Galz or Bright being scum was 64.3% from your perspective (and even if you hadn't done the math, it should have been easy to tell by intuition that the chance was high (my own intuition would suggest a higher than 64.3% chance)).

If you were aware that the protection only works against scum attacks, that would have been even worse because Swowl would have had to be scum in addition to Galz and Bright being town, making the chances very bad.

There are are like 5 avenues of backward logic here and I can’t even follow you through the twists. There is no scenario where I am playing 3 levels beyond like that. You have played with me for a couple of years now...I think you know this. That’s not how I even consider proceeding. It’s too complicated and I am notoriously bad at being able to twist and lie. The most logical reasoning is that the protection held because there are no scum. For me to fake the protection holding seems absurd. The effort that you are expending trying to concoct a plausible scenario is way beyond plausible.

The scenario is a bit complicated in and of itself, but assuming you were keeping up with it, the logic behind the decision to protect Bright is very simple: you knew you were about to get exposed as scum, you did what you could to prevent it from happening. I believe you would be easily capable of realizing this as scum, and you have partners who would also probably realize it even if you didn't, especially because you were witnessing the scenario unfold firsthand.

Also, the haziness of my doc abilities was not conveniently revealed. I’ve said that from the beginning in my qt, and it feels like more than once here although I don’t have time to read back to check.

That makes that part of the claim a bit more credible, but it doesn't prove it's true — you could have claimed it early just so people wouldn't suspect you when your ability never managed to protect anyone (in which case it would have been just a coincidence that you were also able to use it as an argument in this situation). And as I already brought up, even if it's true, it doesn't prove you didn't successfully protect Bright.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #872 on: April 24, 2021, 10:18:29 am »

I guess I should ask Didds this same question: what part of this do you disagree with?

  • Bright's claim that the fortress protection only works when the attack originates from scum and everyone in the fortress is town is believable.
  • Therefore, if Galz is considered to be the origin of the attack, the protection can't work, because he is in the fortress and he can't be both town and scum.
  • If Swowl is considered to be the origin of the attack, the protection can't work if he's town.
  • Swowl is town.
  • It does not seem plausible within reason that anyone other than Swowl or Galzria could be considered to be the origin of the attack.
  • It follows that the protection did not work.

I mean, it would not be particularly weird for you to disagree with 4. But you don't seem to be treating Swowl as confirmed scum, which is what you should be doing if you're going to insist that the fortress protection worked.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #873 on: April 24, 2021, 10:27:15 am »

I guess I should ask Didds this same question: what part of this do you disagree with?

  • Bright's claim that the fortress protection only works when the attack originates from scum and everyone in the fortress is town is believable.
  • Therefore, if Galz is considered to be the origin of the attack, the protection can't work, because he is in the fortress and he can't be both town and scum.
  • If Swowl is considered to be the origin of the attack, the protection can't work if he's town.
  • Swowl is town.
  • It does not seem plausible within reason that anyone other than Swowl or Galzria could be considered to be the origin of the attack.
  • It follows that the protection did not work.

I mean, it would not be particularly weird for you to disagree with 4. But you don't seem to be treating Swowl as confirmed scum, which is what you should be doing if you're going to insist that the fortress protection worked.

When bright explained the fortress protection, he said it protected us as long as there were no scum in it. I know nothing about this idea that the attack had to come from scum. Bright didn’t say that in the qt, there is nothing Joth has said in the fortress that suggests that, and I’m not sure that follows what what has been said.

I had/have some suspicion that Brighty is scum and the fortress might kill whoever else is in it if he dies, but that seems super unbalanced. The text of the invite specifically says that it offers protection if you trust the builder. So, is he turns out to be untrustworthy, do I get punished?

I think Swowl and Galz are town. I think there are no scum in the fortress, so bright was bulletproof. This also now clears Bright for me. This is the most logical explanation and resonates with my assumptions and what has been said and requires zero acrobatics.
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« Reply #874 on: April 24, 2021, 10:57:38 am »

When bright explained the fortress protection, he said it protected us as long as there were no scum in it. I know nothing about this idea that the attack had to come from scum. Bright didn’t say that in the qt, there is nothing Joth has said in the fortress that suggests that, and I’m not sure that follows what what has been said.

There is something interesting about the wording of my role though, it says, paraphrasing, that the fortress only helps against the mafia.
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« Reply #875 on: April 24, 2021, 11:00:56 am »

I think I've got something useful. And of course Didds is disappearing for a day.

If the information provided to us about the fortress is accurate (protection only works if no scum in fortress, protection is against scum, fortress was attacked last night but no one died), then Bright, Didds, and Galz are all non-scum (i.e. either town or 3rd party).

I think this also makes Swowl scum, as he said he targeted Bright with sword from Galz (who under this assumption is not scum). The only way Swowl is not scum is if fortress protection is against all kills instead of just scum kills, or if Doc Didds actually protected Bright, not Awaclus as he claimed (I don't see town-Didds lying like this, but possibly 3rd party).



Alternatively, if the fortress protection has been misrepresented to us, this basically makes Didds and Bright both scum (or at least non-helpful 3rd party), and it makes Galz a lazy/absent town (for not noticing and/or correcting for us here), or else scum-buddy with them or non-helpful 3rd party. It is possible Bright's ability, growing fortress, is 3rd party and they are all 3rd party of some sort now.

But I think it's more likely they are all scum. Thinking of a logical way to give scum-Bright his ability from a design perspective, he has to invite non-scum first. But scum probably only had night QT, and fortress has night and day, so he wants scum in there. pubby wanted faust (or was its fang, I forget) to join, but Bright didn't. So come to game thread and convince us pubby is scum, invite his scum-buddies, vote pubby out (with Didds making sure me and Swowl help), and now he has freedom to day chat with his scum-buddies. Why else has the 4th spot in the fortress (vacated by pubby) not yet been filled?



So we either have 3 non-scum in the fortress, or we have 3 scum in there (and the "protection" from fortress is Didds knowing who to doctor since Swowl would likely tell in Snow White QT who he's targeting with sword scum-Galz gave him). I'm trying to come up with a way to figure out which.

If we assume they are non-scum, then we likely have 2 or 3 scum out of 5 to find (for me, it's out of 4 since I'm one of the five), the first of which is almost definitely Swowl. And we should exile Swowl, especially since he presumably still has an extra kill from the sword.

On the other hand, if fortress is all scum, then exiling Swowl is not a good idea. Absent of RB or doctor (from scum-Didds), that puts us at 3-3 tomorrow after scum kill overnight and no Swowl with Vig sword anymore. So instead we have to exile within the fortress today. No exile gets us nowhere except Lylo tomorrow, unless we have RB or investigative roles available. If we can RB Didds, then Swowl should be able to kill one of them tonight (assuming he still has Galz' sword), and we are at 4-2 tomorrow, but we have a flip confirming fortress member is scum.

Now what if instead, it's Swowl and 1 or 2 others (among fang, Awaclus, and pasta)? Then if we do the plan above, no-exile, and RB our town doctor (Didds), then we need Galz to confirm whether Swowl stil has sword. If he does, then scum gets 2 kills, with our RB tying up our Doctor. If 3 scum, that leaves us with 3-3 tomorrow, the ability to RB Swowl, but we'd need a lucky doctor overnight. If only 2 scum, then I think it's okay to do this.

Over all those possibilities, if we have a RB, I think they need to claim, we no-exile, block Didds, and hope that if fortress is town and Swowl is scum, that there are only 2 scum total (and if fortress is scum, and Swowl still has sword, then he kills any one of them for us). That leaves decent odds, I believe.

If we have no RB claim in the next 24 hours or so, then we probably just need to decide whether we exile Swowl or someone within the fortress... probably someone other than Didds, because we would want Didds to try and protect against scum kill and/or sword kill if Swowl is the scum.

TLDR: if we have town RB, they claim, we no exile and RB Didds.
If we don't, we choose between killing Swowl, or someone in fortress other than Didds.

PPE 4, I think it said. Going to go read them now
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« Reply #876 on: April 24, 2021, 11:06:33 am »

I read those 4 posts. Even if Awaclus is right (and he might be), I think my idea posted above gets us the best chances for a win.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #877 on: April 24, 2021, 11:16:58 am »

When bright explained the fortress protection, he said it protected us as long as there were no scum in it. I know nothing about this idea that the attack had to come from scum. Bright didn’t say that in the qt, there is nothing Joth has said in the fortress that suggests that, and I’m not sure that follows what what has been said.

There is something interesting about the wording of my role though, it says, paraphrasing, that the fortress only helps against the mafia.

Yeah, I know what he has said in the thread today. I’m saying that is not what I got from the qt discussion, from Joth’s qt posts, or from the invite. I don’t see him explaining it that way ever until recently in the thread and I don’t have any corroborating evidence. I reread it and that is not what he says. The update about the fortress that gets posted each day says inviting baddies undercuts its effectiveness. So Brighty’s claim doesn’t jibe with what I’ve read.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #878 on: April 24, 2021, 11:18:49 am »

Galz, if we exile Swowl does the axesword die with him or does it come back to you?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #879 on: April 24, 2021, 11:19:30 am »

I haven’t read math’s big post yet. We’re about to head out.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #880 on: April 24, 2021, 11:58:48 am »

Alternative to, or maybe even in addition to, the RB...

If someone has investigative result(s), they may also be useful at this point, to help decide if this in fortress are all scum or all town. But we have to take any results with caution:
- if anyone finds someone else in their group (either in fortress or out of fortress) innocent, that could be true or a lie from scum.
- if anyone finds someone outside their group guilty, same problem.
- if someone outside fortress finds someone inside it innocent, I think this confirms all fortress is innocent.
- if someone inside fortress finds someone outside innocent, this doesn't prove anything (could be true or a scum lie).
- if someone inside fortress finds another in there guilty, this makes no sense (they confirm their own guilt, unless they are 3rd party).
- if someone outside fortress finds someone else outside guilty, we may not believe that specific result but I believe that proves (whether a scum lie or true) that scum is outside the fortress.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #881 on: April 24, 2021, 12:07:50 pm »

Wow, lots to read, will get on to it later. Have a good time camping Didds.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #882 on: April 24, 2021, 12:31:25 pm »

Wow, lots to read, will get on to it later. Have a good time camping Didds.

You're welcome.

For my large post, there is a TLDR at the bottom. To find how I got there, you have to read it though.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #883 on: April 24, 2021, 01:45:22 pm »

Swowl answers Awaclus' question from way back stating that he does not "disagree" with any of that logic as it is written... but everything is so "paraphrased" that he doesn't know what to make of anything.

Swowl knows he is town and he targeted Bright. So, he is inclined to believe the "only protects against mafia" addition from bright may not be accurate.

Swowl knows (believes, whatever) the sword came from Galz, and while he gets the concept of the origination of the attack concept.... he does not think galz is skum nor does he think that is how the system would work.

Swowl cannot remember offhand what the last part was....oh... all town. yes he thinks that is possible.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #884 on: April 24, 2021, 01:48:52 pm »

If the information provided to us about the fortress is accurate (protection only works if no scum in fortress, protection is against scum, fortress was attacked last night but no one died), then Bright, Didds, and Galz are all non-scum (i.e. either town or 3rd party).

I think this also makes Swowl scum, as he said he targeted Bright with sword from Galz (who under this assumption is not scum). The only way Swowl is not scum is if fortress protection is against all kills instead of just scum kills, or if Doc Didds actually protected Bright, not Awaclus as he claimed (I don't see town-Didds lying like this, but possibly 3rd party).

You're correct that town!Didds would not lie like this, but what you're ignoring is that scum!Didds effectively has no choice but to lie like this.

Alternatively, if the fortress protection has been misrepresented to us, this basically makes Didds and Bright both scum (or at least non-helpful 3rd party), and it makes Galz a lazy/absent town (for not noticing and/or correcting for us here), or else scum-buddy with them or non-helpful 3rd party. It is possible Bright's ability, growing fortress, is 3rd party and they are all 3rd party of some sort now.

But I think it's more likely they are all scum. Thinking of a logical way to give scum-Bright his ability from a design perspective, he has to invite non-scum first. But scum probably only had night QT, and fortress has night and day, so he wants scum in there. pubby wanted faust (or was its fang, I forget) to join, but Bright didn't. So come to game thread and convince us pubby is scum, invite his scum-buddies, vote pubby out (with Didds making sure me and Swowl help), and now he has freedom to day chat with his scum-buddies. Why else has the 4th spot in the fortress (vacated by pubby) not yet been filled?

If the fortress protection has been misrepresented to us, depending on how it has been misrepresented, it may or may not mean that Didds is scum. Didds's argument is that the protection would work even if Swowl was town, which is how she can justify not having a scum read on Swowl. (holy crap, I just realized why this argument doesn't work, but I'll come back to that in a separate post later) If that was true, she would not necessarily be scum. Of course, you are right that if it was misrepresented the other way, then Didds would be confirmed scum alongside Bright.

I don't know how Galzria's laziness follows from Bright lying. I can't tell that Bright is lying based on the info Galz has told everyone, so unless there's more info that everyone in the fortress is still concealing, it's probably to be expected that Galz can't tell either.

Bright's ability probably doesn't convert people, because pubby was there and we know he flipped town. It's possible if it works in a much more complicated way, I guess.

It does seem possible that all three of them are scum. Really, pretty much the only thing we know for sure is that Galz can't be scum unless Didds and/or Bright is also scum; all the other combinations are possible. (I'm not 100% sure that either part of that statement is true but I think it's true)


On the other hand, if fortress is all scum, then exiling Swowl is not a good idea. Absent of RB or doctor (from scum-Didds), that puts us at 3-3 tomorrow after scum kill overnight and no Swowl with Vig sword anymore. So instead we have to exile within the fortress today. No exile gets us nowhere except Lylo tomorrow, unless we have RB or investigative roles available. If we can RB Didds, then Swowl should be able to kill one of them tonight (assuming he still has Galz' sword), and we are at 4-2 tomorrow, but we have a flip confirming fortress member is scum.

Now what if instead, it's Swowl and 1 or 2 others (among fang, Awaclus, and pasta)? Then if we do the plan above, no-exile, and RB our town doctor (Didds), then we need Galz to confirm whether Swowl stil has sword. If he does, then scum gets 2 kills, with our RB tying up our Doctor. If 3 scum, that leaves us with 3-3 tomorrow, the ability to RB Swowl, but we'd need a lucky doctor overnight. If only 2 scum, then I think it's okay to do this.

If the scum team is you, Swowl and Didds, you already know this will result in a scum win.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #885 on: April 24, 2021, 01:51:03 pm »

Yeah, I know what he has said in the thread today. I’m saying that is not what I got from the qt discussion, from Joth’s qt posts, or from the invite. I don’t see him explaining it that way ever until recently in the thread and I don’t have any corroborating evidence. I reread it and that is not what he says. The update about the fortress that gets posted each day says inviting baddies undercuts its effectiveness. So Brighty’s claim doesn’t jibe with what I’ve read.

So, your argument is that the fortress protection must have been active because Bright was lying.

There's just one problem with that: if Bright is lying, we have no reason to think there is any fortress protection in the first place.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #886 on: April 24, 2021, 01:52:42 pm »

Swowl knows he is town and he targeted Bright. So, he is inclined to believe the "only protects against mafia" addition from bright may not be accurate.

If you believe Bright is lying, why do you trust any part of Bright's claim?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #887 on: April 24, 2021, 05:18:44 pm »

By the way, has Galzria been active much in his neighbourhoods today (this game day)? Like his last meaningful post in the main thread was:
which is like 65 hours ago now.
Since then just one thing saying something like don't prod me I'm catching up.
Anything going on with him in neighbourhoods?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #888 on: April 24, 2021, 05:39:08 pm »

Not in my neighborhood (although to be exact, it's not a neighborhood, it's under a bridge).
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #889 on: April 25, 2021, 12:44:47 am »

Not in my neighborhood (although to be exact, it's not a neighborhood, it's under a bridge).

So Awaclus is a bridge troll. And everyone is busy for the weekend. Got it.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #890 on: April 25, 2021, 01:10:53 am »

I'm starting to lean towards a Didds vote. I hate it, because it feels like I'm being lead there (and if she is town, I am, and gg scum), but my gut says it's a better path than other votes.

My gut is also considering mathdude again. There's just something intangible that reads scum to me. But it feels like the path for the day is first Didds or not Didds.

That said, I will respect her camping and not vote right now.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY ONE
« Reply #891 on: April 25, 2021, 06:35:45 am »


I am not sure how sharing the seven dwarf names helps us

Then why did she share initially?


Share my name? Because I don't think we should exile protective folks.


So, I’m doctoring folks that I think might be scum so that if they get hurt, that helps us.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #892 on: April 25, 2021, 03:24:33 pm »

Posting. Don’t prod me. Will catch up tonight.

Prod request: Galzria
Nearly 48 hours since that post and getting on for 4 IRL days since anything meaningful.
Would be good to have your views on what's going on during the day, rather than just showing up for deadline.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #893 on: April 25, 2021, 03:30:59 pm »

So we either have 3 non-scum in the fortress, or we have 3 scum in there (and the "protection" from fortress is Didds knowing who to doctor since Swowl would likely tell in Snow White QT who he's targeting with sword scum-Galz gave him). I'm trying to come up with a way to figure out which.

The possibility you're missing here is that Didds could be scum without Bright/Galz, if Didds protected Bright.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #894 on: April 25, 2021, 03:31:16 pm »

I did not realize that the deadline is today and in just 2.5 hours.

Anyone willing to do a current vote count?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #895 on: April 25, 2021, 03:34:34 pm »

I did not realize that the deadline is today and in just 2.5 hours.

Anyone willing to do a current vote count?
I'm fairly sure the deadline is tomorrow, in 24+2.5hrs. Joth originally said Sunday, then said Monday. Should probably check whether either of those had PINLs I suppose...
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« Reply #896 on: April 25, 2021, 03:37:32 pm »

Ah, right. I went back and looked and the start of day post says sunday, but later there is a clarification fro Monday. though as you say no PINL.

joth, when is end of day?

If Monday, then I can give Didds a little more time to return from camping.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #897 on: April 25, 2021, 03:41:58 pm »

By my reckoning, vote count is:

Didds (3): Galzria, infangthief, Awaclus
infangthief (2): Swowl, Didds

not voting: mathdude, scolapasta, Brightgalrs

5 to exile, or 4 for Galzria (hated).
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #898 on: April 25, 2021, 05:00:30 pm »

If deadline is today, we really should exile Didds, camping or not.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #899 on: April 25, 2021, 05:02:43 pm »

No wait, if deadline is today, we just passed it with no exile. Oh well, hopefully it's not today.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #900 on: April 25, 2021, 05:04:49 pm »

Sure, but it's gotta be Monday, unless it's super bastard.

The original rules post says Days are 5 days IRL. Today started Apr 21, so that would be Apr 26, which is what joth said in his correction.

I'd also like to think that if he doesn't respond to my query / is not super active right now, it's because for him, right now is not EOD.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #901 on: April 25, 2021, 05:05:19 pm »

No wait, if deadline is today, we just passed it with no exile. Oh well, hopefully it's not today.

If it were today, there'd still be almost another hour.
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« Reply #902 on: April 25, 2021, 05:07:28 pm »

No wait, if deadline is today, we just passed it with no exile. Oh well, hopefully it's not today.

If it were today, there'd still be almost another hour.

Oh right because the Sunday deadline was an hour later.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #903 on: April 25, 2021, 05:16:37 pm »

My philosophy on this whole game has been that Joth is being reasonable all the time and the PINL proviso is just there because in BM maybe some things will happen / have happened which would look like mod mistakes, and he doesn't want to be forced to tell us which is which in the event that he does make a mistake somewhere.

TL;DR I trust him on the revised deadline of Monday.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #904 on: April 25, 2021, 05:20:23 pm »

Having said that, I can't resist:

Prod request: Joth
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« Reply #905 on: April 25, 2021, 05:22:08 pm »

Swowl tells everyone Joth said the DL was Monday, not Sunday.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #906 on: April 25, 2021, 05:23:26 pm »

So we either have 3 non-scum in the fortress, or we have 3 scum in there (and the "protection" from fortress is Didds knowing who to doctor since Swowl would likely tell in Snow White QT who he's targeting with sword scum-Galz gave him). I'm trying to come up with a way to figure out which.

The possibility you're missing here is that Didds could be scum without Bright/Galz, if Didds protected Bright.

You are right. I've missed this. I'm assuming the protection of fortress is indicative of such but this is partly based on Didds' releasing of info in QT, so this doesn't work.

Bright, is the mention of fortress attacked in your QT indicative of fortress protection or its it possible you could have been saved by doctor? If it's possible it's a doctor, I'll vote Didds.

Re: an earlier comment (I forget who said it)that it could be me, Swowl, and Didds...
Originally, I assumed this meant Bright would have died. But Didds doctoring could change that. But even so it's not the 3 of us. I guess it could be the two of them.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #907 on: April 25, 2021, 09:55:40 pm »

Hi y’all. Thank you for waiting. The trees said hi.

Joth said that deadline was Monday, not today...that was after the first post when someone corrected his math. I wouldn’t have asked otherwise.

I haven’t had time to reread carefully, but I feel like we are going around and around about the fortress. Please don’t exile me because Bright has either misunderstood what the fortress does, or has explained it differently here than he did in the thread. I’m not sure why I’m taking the fall for his misexplanation or lack of information. That fact that he has completely disappeared and left me having to explain him would make him for sure scum to be EXCEPT for the fact that the fortress protected him and for that to be true, no scum are in it (at least according to MY understanding of the fortress).

Swowl, do you have to use the sword tonight? I think he does since he kept it.

If so, we could no exile tonight and Swowl could target me tonight. If I’m alive, the protection held and we can get on with finding scum. Would that work? My other idea had been to invite Awa to the fortress and he could see the explanation for himself. But if he’s scum, then the protection goes away. I could invite our towniest town (Swowl?) Would that work? Other ideas that could solve this short of me getting exiled because of bright’s confusion?

My fear is the we exile town today, that leaves at 7. Scum kills tonight, and the axesword kills tonight, that leaves 5. Unless we get scum on one of those, we either lose (3 scum) or are at mylo/lylo whatever the right -lo is tomorrow.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #908 on: April 25, 2021, 09:57:31 pm »

I just realized I forgot to tell you when the day ends. It ends in four IRL days, which is I guess Sunday at 5. You will get a vote count later this evening. Probably.

4 IRL days from start of day?  Or 4 IRL days from now?  If from now, then that's Monday at 5, not Sunday.

You're right. Monday at 5.
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« Reply #909 on: April 25, 2021, 10:26:12 pm »

deadline is tomorrow.
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« Reply #910 on: April 25, 2021, 10:42:13 pm »

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #911 on: April 25, 2021, 11:12:46 pm »

Swowl does not think WCD has thought that through all the way.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #912 on: April 26, 2021, 12:03:39 am »

Swowl does not think WCD has thought that through all the way.

mathdude agrees with Swowl, noting that maybe Didds just didn't read through everything to notice the flaw in logic.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #913 on: April 26, 2021, 07:34:28 am »


Swowl, math... you’re right that I have not thought things all the way through. I just don’t know how to demonstrate that I’m telling the truth other than to keep telling the truth. Knowing me, the flaws in my logic are gaping and obvious. But there has to be some way to demonstrate that the fortress protects if there are no scum in it short of exiling me.

I literally have no idea why everyone thinks it is more likely that I am lying about everything, in multiple qts and the thread, and, we’d believe Brights interpretation of how the fortress protection works even though it doesn’t make any sense for it to work the way he says, he’s has never explained it that way to the people in it, and it doesn’t resonate with the messages in the fortress...and if he is protected from the sword axe because it came from scum Swowl or scum Galz, why that makes me scum? I just don’t follow. I have very little confidence in my doctoring abilities, so a plan where Swowl tells the qt that he’s targeting bright and then I have to doctor him is terrible.

Going into last night, I understood the fortress to offer protection to those inside if there were no scum in it. This is based on what bright had said to pubby in the qt and this is what I relayed to you all. Further, the invite to the fortress and the flavor text of the qt says that if offers protection as long as I/we trust the builder. Bright has been hazy about the mechanics of the fortress protections, but at no point in the qt has bright said or hinted at that we were protected from attacks as long as the attack came from scum. It took me a while into today to go reread it all, but I am certain now that he did not say that. Finally, this morning the flavor text of the qt said that the fortress was attacked last night but had survived. The status of the fortress so now a bit on the wobbled side instead of the sturdiness it had been described with on the start of days one and two. That was completely in line with what I think happened. No scum in fortress. Brighty was hit with the axe. The fortress protected him.

I thought axing bright was a good idea because if there were no scum in the fortress, he’d be safe. If he was scum (which I thought) then he wouldn’t be safe, but it would be a useful shot. I never considered doctoring him because I’m not sure my doctoring works very well. (Oh wait...if I am scum, wouldn’t my doctoring have failed since he now says that the fortress means protected from scum even though that if I am scum the fortress wouldn’t provide protection. More things that don’t work!)

I doctored Awaclus.

Faust is the person who was killed. Why are we exerting no effort to find his killer? Awaclus has distracted us for the entire day with all things WCD.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #914 on: April 26, 2021, 07:45:55 am »

Bright, is the mention of fortress attacked in your QT indicative of fortress protection or its it possible you could have been saved by doctor? If it's possible it's a doctor, I'll vote Didds.
I assume you mean the Fortress QT, as that's the only place mentioning an attack. And that message from joth definitely says, paraphrasing, that the Fortress itself was the thing that resisted the attack.

Alright, I'll vote Didds. Reasons: 1) Oddness of what wasn't said day 1, which I've explained (maybe poorly) on day 1, go read my posts from then. 2) Two protection roles in a somewhat small game, and essentially with a townie vigilante. Points to mafia doctor. 3) Pubby, who ended up being town, being suspicious of Didds. Might as well use his insight now, even if it's a little late.

Vote: WestCoastDidds

That should be 4 votes on Didds if fang's vote count is correct. ie. it's one more to exile.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #915 on: April 26, 2021, 07:49:21 am »

I'm gonna bring this up because even I completely forgot about it until now, but remember on Day 1 when EFHW had that weird extra vote. What was that all about? Couldn't have been Awaclus's hate thing.

Also there was that norse thing from the beginning of, I think, yesterday. Is that related to Galzria's role? norse mythology, and all that.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #916 on: April 26, 2021, 08:07:38 am »

And that message from joth definitely says, paraphrasing, that the Fortress itself was the thing that resisted the attack.
Wait, that's rather different from what you said earlier.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #917 on: April 26, 2021, 08:14:57 am »

Post #771, it's quite long, but there are a couple of places in it where you seem to be seriously considering that your protection might have come from elsewhere.

If you and Didds are both agreeing now that Joth's message tells you it was the fortress which provided the protection, then that gives considerable pause for thought.

Galzria, are you able to confirm this?

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #918 on: April 26, 2021, 08:21:10 am »

Didds, is your information about the principles of how fortress protection works coming from Bright or from Joth, primarily?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #919 on: April 26, 2021, 08:44:16 am »

Vote Count 3.2



WestCoastDidds (3): Galzria, Awaclus, Brightgalrs
infangthief (2): Swowl, WestCoastDidds

Not voting: scolapasta, mathdude, infangthief
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah, Ozle, Diddzria
Playing, but dead, PINL: Jimmmmm

Galzria is hated. It takes one less vote to exile him.

Galzria has been prodded.

Whether or not I've prodded myself is no one's business but my own.


With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 ends Monday at 5 pm forum time.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #920 on: April 26, 2021, 08:49:04 am »

Bright is being completely inconsistent here.

"Joth tells us that it was the fortress that resisted the attack"
"vote: didds"

Bright is a Bad Dwarf.

But Didds probably is too. vote: Didds again.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #921 on: April 26, 2021, 08:50:42 am »

Actually vote: Bright
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #922 on: April 26, 2021, 08:56:06 am »

nah, vote: Didds

I'm going to trust my day 1 reads more than what Didds and Bright are now claiming the flavour text might imply.
Bright, Didds or Galzria could easily have brought up this flavour text thing earlier in the day. And it was clearly no obstacle to Galzria voting for Didds at the start of the day.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #923 on: April 26, 2021, 08:59:41 am »

X-1, just in case I've caused anyone epilepsy with my voting there.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #924 on: April 26, 2021, 09:11:20 am »

@Bright, some answers please, what's going on?

You're bussing, with terrible logic so that everyone else on the wagon hops off, is that it?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #925 on: April 26, 2021, 09:13:06 am »

Bright, is the mention of fortress attacked in your QT indicative of fortress protection or its it possible you could have been saved by doctor? If it's possible it's a doctor, I'll vote Didds.
I assume you mean the Fortress QT, as that's the only place mentioning an attack. And that message from joth definitely says, paraphrasing, that the Fortress itself was the thing that resisted the attack.

Alright, I'll vote Didds. Reasons: 1) Oddness of what wasn't said day 1, which I've explained (maybe poorly) on day 1, go read my posts from then. 2) Two protection roles in a somewhat small game, and essentially with a townie vigilante. Points to mafia doctor. 3) Pubby, who ended up being town, being suspicious of Didds. Might as well use his insight now, even if it's a little late.

Vote: WestCoastDidds

That should be 4 votes on Didds if fang's vote count is correct. ie. it's one more to exile.

If the fortress protected, now "confirmed" by Bright, then Didds didn't need to doctor Bright. If all indications from Didds and Bright so far say that no scum were in the fortress, we either believe them (and then vote "no exile"), or we call them liars and vote out one of Didds or Bright. Go check my long post for reasoning.

If we are calling them liars and exiling from within the fortress, I'd rather vote Bright, even though I believe Didds is at E--1. If we are wrong, and the fortress is all town, I'd rather have Didds alive as a doctor tonight. If we are right, and the fortress is scum, it shouldn't matter which of the 3 we exile (and I suspect it is, since that empty 4th slot still hasn't been filled, which tells me they are using it for day chat and it was a strategic ploy to get pubby out and Bright's scum-buddies in).

@Bright, some answers please, what's going on?

You're bussing, with terrible logic so that everyone else on the wagon hops off, is that it?

And this, exactly, was what I was thinking too.

Vote: Bright
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #926 on: April 26, 2021, 09:24:37 am »

Vote: Bright

If everything Bright has told us so far is true, Didds has to be town.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #927 on: April 26, 2021, 09:26:12 am »

Which is not to say that Didds has to be town. It's just that if Didds is scum, Bright is necessarily scum too, whereas Bright could at least technically be scum without Didds.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #928 on: April 26, 2021, 09:27:42 am »

I'm willing to go back to Didds if we can't get a Bright exile through, but as far as I can tell, it just seems strictly better to exile Bright today.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #929 on: April 26, 2021, 09:30:50 am »

I'm willing to go back to Didds if we can't get a Bright exile through, but as far as I can tell, it just seems strictly better to exile Bright today.
I'm thinking and might go either way on this.

Bright needs to explain what he thinks happened with fortress protection last night.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #930 on: April 26, 2021, 09:34:09 am »

Didds, is your information about the principles of how fortress protection works coming from Bright or from Joth, primarily?

Joth provided the initial info and then the back chat from Bright.  Here is what I am drawing from:

The invite from Joth says it may offer protection if I trust the builder. The flavor text each day says that inviting bad dwarves may cut against the effectiveness of the its protections. 

In the fortress, Bright said is that the bad guys seems to be held back by the fortress and hanging out in the fortress is good for those in it . He guessed that perhaps it protected from night kills or something along those lines and then added that having scum in the fortress nullified its protection.  This is drawn from two posts from his conversation with pubby about the fortress.  That is all he has said.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #931 on: April 26, 2021, 09:34:38 am »

Didds, is your information about the principles of how fortress protection works coming from Bright or from Joth, primarily?
And this of course.

And a long wait here just makes it more likely that Didds and Bright (and Galzria?) are having a big conflab in the fortress trying to come up with a coherent narrative.

Galzria been active in the fortress today? I didn't get an answer when I asked before.

PPe 1 oh, you answered, thanks.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #932 on: April 26, 2021, 09:39:00 am »

nah, vote: Didds

I'm going to trust my day 1 reads more than what Didds and Bright are now claiming the flavour text might imply.
Bright, Didds or Galzria could easily have brought up this flavour text thing earlier in the day. And it was clearly no obstacle to Galzria voting for Didds at the start of the day.

Dude, no way. I have been completely consistent about what the fortress stuff is all about all day.  Saying its a wash because it should have happened sooner isn't fair. I am not the one who twisted it all around to get to a place where I am scum. That was Awaclus. And I am not the one who ever wavered or changed stories. That was Bright.

You can vote for me because you are scum and want to get off an easy exile, or because you are jealous you didn't get to frolick among the trees, but not because of anything fortress related.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #933 on: April 26, 2021, 09:45:01 am »

Didds, is your information about the principles of how fortress protection works coming from Bright or from Joth, primarily?
And this of course.

And a long wait here just makes it more likely that Didds and Bright (and Galzria?) are having a big conflab in the fortress trying to come up with a coherent narrative.

Galzria been active in the fortress today? I didn't get an answer when I asked before.

PPe 1 oh, you answered, thanks.

The fortress is completely dead.  (As is the 7 dwarves qt, mostly). There are less than ten posts from D3, and the last post wasn't written by me was on Thursday evening...the last one written by me was Friday morning. There is no scheming of discussion or even any funny jokes or owl memes.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #934 on: April 26, 2021, 09:47:30 am »

I am not the one who twisted it all around to get to a place where I am scum. That was Awaclus. And I am not the one who ever wavered or changed stories. That was Bright.

I never twisted anything around to get to a place where you are scum. I started from a place where you were scum, and looked at the story that was presented to figure out whether that assumption was consistent with the story, which it was. Now Bright changed the story so it's no longer consistent.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #935 on: April 26, 2021, 09:51:00 am »

I am not the one who twisted it all around to get to a place where I am scum. That was Awaclus. And I am not the one who ever wavered or changed stories. That was Bright.

I never twisted anything around to get to a place where you are scum. I started from a place where you were scum, and looked at the story that was presented to figure out whether that assumption was consistent with the story, which it was. Now Bright changed the story so it's no longer consistent.

Okay. I apologize if that was a mischaracterization. I am and have been frustrated because I can't get my head around the twists that narrative requires.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #936 on: April 26, 2021, 10:27:19 am »

OK, there's an easy way to prove that the fortress is not all scum and using it for day chat.  Just invite someone in RIGHT NOW.

Done.

I'd suggest me, because I know I'm town, but I trust whoever of you do it (Didds or Bright, since you're both active right now) to pick your townies read. BUT I also suggest you pick someone who is active, too. So they can immediately confirm this.

If there's no invite and the two of you keep posting, then you've got to be scum. (or go aheah and try to offer a plausible explanation why not)
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #937 on: April 26, 2021, 10:30:00 am »

I would really prefer that we not exile me. I think fang is a better choice, but I will

vote: Bright

I will invite you, scola.
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« Reply #938 on: April 26, 2021, 10:31:15 am »

I sent the invite to Joth. I am off to teach now...
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« Reply #939 on: April 26, 2021, 10:38:18 am »

I sent the invite to Joth. I am off to teach now...

OK. I'll report back if / when I get it / join. There's clearly a timing thing. And this won't full prove non scum but at least that it will show that they aren't afraid to invite town.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #940 on: April 26, 2021, 11:35:22 am »

I just received the invite for the fortress. I haven't accepted yet.

Before I do, I'd be curious to see what others think. Here is a concern I have. - that there is already scum in the fortress but they have not used the day chat. (I think getting the invitation was useful)

But if I join, and someone dies tonight, then they will try to blame me as the scum.

So what happens if I don't accept? Can you send a different invite? How long is the invite valid for?

Should I join? (again, the main thing I wanted to try to prove is to see if they were all scum and using daychat. I think the invite is likely enough proof that that is not true)
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #941 on: April 26, 2021, 12:26:10 pm »

Good move scola, and also good move not just accepting right away; you're right, just getting the invite is a big step already.

This is interesting, because earlier Didds was quite sure about there being no scum in Snow White or Fortress neighbourhoods, and said you (and I) were real unknowns.

Now she's not batted an eyelid at inviting you (possible scum) into the fortress.

I would certainly be hesitant about accepting the invitation, for reasons I don't want to give right now.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #942 on: April 26, 2021, 12:33:58 pm »

Right, I'm suprised she instantly chose me (and not someone else - swowl, for example).
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #943 on: April 26, 2021, 01:27:31 pm »

Swowl was definitely my top town read, but I don't have time today to dither. Too busy with life classes. But here is what I am thinking....

If we exile Brighty, the fortress will die anyway (I think). If scola is scum, the fortess will lose its protection but the whole idea of protection was already mostly irrelevant because the people in the fortress are now widely known, as its protective ability. Scum can easily target one of the people who aren't in it.  So, I didn't realize see what I had to lose by sharing access and I see that I can gain a trusted reporter on the abilities of the fortress.  Really, Galz should be doing this since he already has access, but he is notably absent so, whatevs.

You asked to be invited, so I invited you. I didn't choose so much as honor your wishes. 

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #944 on: April 26, 2021, 01:30:28 pm »

vote: Bright X-1
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #945 on: April 26, 2021, 01:31:02 pm »

Good move scola, and also good move not just accepting right away; you're right, just getting the invite is a big step already.

This is interesting, because earlier Didds was quite sure about there being no scum in Snow White or Fortress neighbourhoods, and said you (and I) were real unknowns.

Now she's not batted an eyelid at inviting you (possible scum) into the fortress.

I would certainly be hesitant about accepting the invitation, for reasons I don't want to give right now.

You and scola being unknowns is still true.  I didn't invite him because I thought he was town.  I invited him because he wanted to be invited and he can verify what I have said about what happened last night. Even if he is scum, if he lies about that, Galz and Brighty can call him out.  If I am wrong about Glaz and Bright, and just invited the third scum to the lair, then my goose was probably already cooked.
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« Reply #946 on: April 26, 2021, 01:32:34 pm »

Swowl was definitely my top town read, but I don't have time today to dither. Too busy with life classes. But here is what I am thinking....

If we exile Brighty, the fortress will die anyway (I think). If scola is scum, the fortess will lose its protection but the whole idea of protection was already mostly irrelevant because the people in the fortress are now widely known, as its protective ability. Scum can easily target one of the people who aren't in it.  So, I didn't realize see what I had to lose by sharing access and I see that I can gain a trusted reporter on the abilities of the fortress.  Really, Galz should be doing this since he already has access, but he is notably absent so, whatevs.

You asked to be invited, so I invited you. I didn't choose so much as honor your wishes.

I guess part of why I struggle with this fortress protection is the "town core" idea. Let's say everyone in there is town and you add me, I am town and we all trust each other. That's 4 unattackable town right (outside of 3rd party, but imagine Galz was the D1 exile).

If that's true, I join, then scum has no chance of winning, even with 7 still alive. That seems too bastardy. So just the idea of this protection defined as is seems less believable.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY THREE
« Reply #947 on: April 26, 2021, 01:44:06 pm »

Post #771, it's quite long, but there are a couple of places in it where you seem to be seriously considering that your protection might have come from elsewhere.
Uh, no?
Quote the bits that make you think that. I'll wait.
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« Reply #948 on: April 26, 2021, 01:51:42 pm »

Anyway, I won't fight this exile too hard. The Fortress continues existing after I die, so Gal or whoever can keep it going.
And I "meant" to die last night anyway.

Infact, let's just do this:
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« Reply #949 on: April 26, 2021, 01:53:08 pm »

Swowl was definitely my top town read, but I don't have time today to dither. Too busy with life classes. But here is what I am thinking....

If we exile Brighty, the fortress will die anyway (I think). If scola is scum, the fortess will lose its protection but the whole idea of protection was already mostly irrelevant because the people in the fortress are now widely known, as its protective ability. Scum can easily target one of the people who aren't in it.  So, I didn't realize see what I had to lose by sharing access and I see that I can gain a trusted reporter on the abilities of the fortress.  Really, Galz should be doing this since he already has access, but he is notably absent so, whatevs.

You asked to be invited, so I invited you. I didn't choose so much as honor your wishes.

I guess part of why I struggle with this fortress protection is the "town core" idea. Let's say everyone in there is town and you add me, I am town and we all trust each other. That's 4 unattackable town right (outside of 3rd party, but imagine Galz was the D1 exile).

If that's true, I join, then scum has no chance of winning, even with 7 still alive. That seems too bastardy. So just the idea of this protection defined as is seems less believable.

I am not confident that you are town, but perhaps more important is that after the hit last night, the fortress is now shaky so I don't think it forever protection. My best guess is that after another hit, it collapses. 
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« Reply #950 on: April 26, 2021, 01:56:58 pm »

Now I'm confused. Did Bright just hammer himself? Does that mean the fortress may also protect him from Exile?
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« Reply #951 on: April 26, 2021, 02:01:42 pm »

Now I'm confused. Did Bright just hammer himself? Does that mean the fortress may also protect him from Exile?
What on earth made you assume that?

Since it's twilight, I'll say that the language Joth uses in the Fortress's QT makes it really really really clear that I'm not scum. He says, paraphrasing, that bad dwarves being in the fortress makes the fortress less effective. So, what, there's been a bad dwarf in the fortress from day 1? Think! Didds has read this language, it should've been obvious to them that I'm not scum. There's been at least three messages like this, one at the start of each day. There's no way they haven't read one of them
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« Reply #952 on: April 26, 2021, 02:03:22 pm »

Anyway, I won't fight this exile too hard. The Fortress continues existing after I die, so Gal or whoever can keep it going.
And I "meant" to die last night anyway.

Infact, let's just do this:
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What do you mean by you "meant" to die?

Also, pasta, I agree with holding off when you first got the invite. But I think now, you want to accept it immediately in case Bright is lying and it does collapse when he dies.

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« Reply #953 on: April 26, 2021, 02:05:32 pm »

Swowl asks Bright if they are a Good Dwarf.
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« Reply #954 on: April 26, 2021, 02:07:02 pm »

Now I'm confused. Did Bright just hammer himself? Does that mean the fortress may also protect him from Exile?
What on earth made you assume that?

Since it's twilight, I'll say that the language Joth uses in the Fortress's QT makes it really really really clear that I'm not scum. He says, paraphrasing, that bad dwarves being in the fortress makes the fortress less effective. So, what, there's been a bad dwarf in the fortress from day 1? Think! Didds has read this language, it should've been obvious to them that I'm not scum. There's been at least three messages like this, one at the start of each day. There's no way they haven't read one of them

I don't get why you hammer yourself, unless you are scum trying to deflect us off Didds and Galz, your scum-buddies, and Didds' invite to pasta was a gamble.

And maybe fortress offered a 1-shot or 2-shot protection, and one was used against sword from Swowl last night. Maybe Didds' doctor claim was all fake anyway. I really don't know.
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« Reply #955 on: April 26, 2021, 02:08:26 pm »

I'm a good dwarf.

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WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, Brightgalrs, infangthief, Jimmmmm
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« Reply #956 on: April 26, 2021, 02:11:51 pm »

I'm a good dwarf.

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WestCoastDidds (5): pubby, faust, Brightgalrs, infangthief, Jimmmmm
Look at this, day 1's final vote count. Everyone (minus fang) who voted for Didds is dead and a good dwarf.

So then if your fortress is all town, then I know scum is 2 or 3 of Swowl, pasta, and Awaclus. The rest of you would include me in that list.
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« Reply #957 on: April 26, 2021, 02:14:07 pm »

Wait, if both Didds and Jimmmmm are town, then scum doesn't have to (and likely wouldn't) all be on Jimmmmm, unless they were trying to frame Didds.  So fang is definitely still in the running.
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« Reply #958 on: April 26, 2021, 02:15:01 pm »

Wait, if both Didds and Jimmmmm are town, then scum doesn't have to (and likely wouldn't) all be on Jimmmmm, unless they were trying to frame Didds.  So fang is definitely still in the running.

Even more so, right?
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« Reply #959 on: April 26, 2021, 02:17:59 pm »

Swowl wishes Bright would of voted Fang with him instead of doing literally the one and only thing an actual town player should never do....
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« Reply #960 on: April 26, 2021, 02:19:47 pm »

So then if your fortress is all town
What? Dude, why is this an assumption?

Anyway, since the Fortress is clearly compromised, let me reveal this. The Fortress seems to have some sort of HP system. It was (synonym for strong) yesterday but (synonym for swaying) today. It says this clearly in the QT message from Joth, related to Swowl's night kill and it being deflected. But what if this hitpoint loss only happens if there is scum in the fortress. Didn't seriously consider that until now, but there you go, have some suspicion.
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« Reply #961 on: April 26, 2021, 02:21:47 pm »

Swowl wishes Bright would of voted Fang with him instead of doing literally the one and only thing an actual town player should never do....
Nah, writing on the walls, etc. I'm basically a sitting red herring, you guys need to move on and be suspicious of other people.
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« Reply #962 on: April 26, 2021, 02:28:27 pm »

So then if your fortress is all town
What? Dude, why is this an assumption?

Anyway, since the Fortress is clearly compromised, let me reveal this. The Fortress seems to have some sort of HP system. It was (synonym for strong) yesterday but (synonym for swaying) today. It says this clearly in the QT message from Joth, related to Swowl's night kill and it being deflected. But what if this hitpoint loss only happens if there is scum in the fortress. Didn't seriously consider that until now, but there you go, have some suspicion.

Why do you say "but what if" here? Are you suggesting if not scum in the fortress, it would take no damage? I would've thought if it, if anything the opposite - if scum, hits get through (imagine it being like the scum leaving the door unlocked), but if no scum, then it takes damage until it collapses.

When do the invites expire? Can I still accept?
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« Reply #963 on: April 26, 2021, 02:29:51 pm »

Since it's twilight, I'll say that the language Joth uses in the Fortress's QT makes it really really really clear that I'm not scum. He says, paraphrasing, that bad dwarves being in the fortress makes the fortress less effective. So, what, there's been a bad dwarf in the fortress from day 1? Think! Didds has read this language, it should've been obvious to them that I'm not scum. There's been at least three messages like this, one at the start of each day. There's no way they haven't read one of them

Yes, that is the language that I have said was presented. I, however, don't think it means that you couldn't be scum. It could well be a honey trap being bastard and all.  But until you hammered yourself, by vote was purely self-preservation.  I was assuming that we were all town BECAUSE you survived the ax attack last night.
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« Reply #964 on: April 26, 2021, 02:30:50 pm »

So then if your fortress is all town
What? Dude, why is this an assumption?

Anyway, since the Fortress is clearly compromised, let me reveal this. The Fortress seems to have some sort of HP system. It was (synonym for strong) yesterday but (synonym for swaying) today. It says this clearly in the QT message from Joth, related to Swowl's night kill and it being deflected. But what if this hitpoint loss only happens if there is scum in the fortress. Didn't seriously consider that until now, but there you go, have some suspicion.

Why do you say "but what if" here? Are you suggesting if not scum in the fortress, it would take no damage? I would've thought if it, if anything the opposite - if scum, hits get through (imagine it being like the scum leaving the door unlocked), but if no scum, then it takes damage until it collapses.

When do the invites expire? Can I still accept?

No idea. My guess is that you can still accept, but that is just me guessing.
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« Reply #965 on: April 26, 2021, 02:35:12 pm »

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« Reply #966 on: April 26, 2021, 02:37:18 pm »

vote was purely self-preservation
Scum.
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I'm scum because I don't want to hammer myself? I have doubts about you, I have zero doubts about myself. It would have been far better if you had voted for Fang and we couldn't actually get on with the scum hunting.
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« Reply #967 on: April 26, 2021, 02:40:26 pm »

I'm scum because I don't want to hammer myself?
Huh? You just said your voting for me because you don't what to be exiled. I have some news for you, you could've also not voted at all. We could've no-exiled. Your just backpedalling now that the deed is done, hedging basically.
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« Reply #968 on: April 26, 2021, 02:47:44 pm »

I'm scum because I don't want to hammer myself?
Huh? You just said your voting for me because you don't what to be exiled. I have some news for you, you could've also not voted at all. We could've no-exiled. Your just backpedalling now that the deed is done, hedging basically.

Dude, the deed is only done because you were trying to shut down conversation. We literally have had no discussion about no exile in the last 12 hours. If you announced any sort of intent to slef-hammer, I would have unvoted. I don't think I am alone in that. We are hours from deadline. There was zero sense of urgency or writing on the wall.
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« Reply #969 on: April 26, 2021, 03:02:09 pm »

I'm scum because I don't want to hammer myself?
Huh? You just said your voting for me because you don't what to be exiled. I have some news for you, you could've also not voted at all. We could've no-exiled. Your just backpedalling now that the deed is done, hedging basically.

Dude, the deed is only done because you were trying to shut down conversation. We literally have had no discussion about no exile in the last 12 hours. If you announced any sort of intent to slef-hammer, I would have unvoted. I don't think I am alone in that. We are hours from deadline. There was zero sense of urgency or writing on the wall.

Almost true. I mentioned "no exile" twice as an option. First, in my long post a few pages back. Second, more recently, reiterating logic from there, saying if we thought all in fortress are town, then I think no exile made sense
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« Reply #970 on: April 26, 2021, 03:46:29 pm »

Now I'm confused. Did Bright just hammer himself? Does that mean the fortress may also protect him from Exile?
What on earth made you assume that?

Since it's twilight, I'll say that the language Joth uses in the Fortress's QT makes it really really really clear that I'm not scum. He says, paraphrasing, that bad dwarves being in the fortress makes the fortress less effective. So, what, there's been a bad dwarf in the fortress from day 1? Think! Didds has read this language, it should've been obvious to them that I'm not scum. There's been at least three messages like this, one at the start of each day. There's no way they haven't read one of them



Wait wait wait, so scum being in the fortress only makes it less effective, not ineffective?

Then this whole argument about everyone in the fortress being town has been completely pointless from the start!
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« Reply #971 on: April 26, 2021, 03:49:55 pm »

Swowl points out that Awaclus is obviously correct, and that was a very important distinction that should of been made wayyyyyy sooner.
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« Reply #972 on: April 26, 2021, 03:51:09 pm »

Swowl points out that Awaclus is obviously correct, and that was a very important distinction that should of been made wayyyyyy sooner.
Couldn't agree more.

Which gives me some small hope that actually Bright might still be a Bad Dwarf.
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« Reply #973 on: April 26, 2021, 03:52:48 pm »

Otherwise this is pretty much game over.

I mean, vote: mathdude, just in case.
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« Reply #974 on: April 26, 2021, 04:19:03 pm »

Swowl wonders the logic behind that vote
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« Reply #975 on: April 26, 2021, 04:21:58 pm »

Gah, I feel like I'm done with this game. Like Bright I suppose.
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« Reply #976 on: April 26, 2021, 04:37:42 pm »

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« Reply #977 on: April 26, 2021, 04:46:28 pm »

Vote Count 3.3



Brightgalrs(5): mathdude, Awaclus, WestCoastDidds, infangthief, Brightgalrs
WestCoastDidds (1): Galzria
infangthief (1): Swowl

Not voting: scolapasta
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah, Ozle, Diddzria
Playing, but dead, PINL: Jimmmmm

Brightgalrs is exiled. He was Urist McMafiaplayer, a GOOD DWARF.

With 8 alive, it took 5 to exile.

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« Reply #978 on: April 28, 2021, 10:07:21 pm »

sorry for the delay. This will open tomorrow morning.
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« Reply #979 on: April 29, 2021, 09:09:47 am »

Good morning you sexy, sexy Dwarves. Two of you are dead. Bummer.

Awaclus has been killed. They were Nimmie Amee, a Munchkin maiden whose boyfriends keep ending up with missing limbs. They were a GOOD DWARF.

infangthief has been stabbed to death. He was Bashful Bashfullsson, an influential Uberwaldian dwarf of Discworld. He was a GOOD DWARF.

Galzria is still hated.
WestCoastDidds is also hated.


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With 5 alive it takes 3 to exile.


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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #980 on: April 29, 2021, 09:21:54 am »

How you're all probably feeling about my flips:

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #981 on: April 29, 2021, 10:24:33 am »

Well, I'm completely lost now.  Those were the two I was suspecting if we made it through the night.  I figured if we do make it through (as we have), then there have to be only 2 scum.  And if only 2 scum in this game, it would make sense to give a role like Awaclus' ability to the scum, to effectively give them an extra vote.

So who's left?
Galz - noticeably absent most of D3, which doesn't give much opportunity to read
Didds - claimed doctor, but in BM and with only 2 scum and a (town?) vig, could there be a scum doc?
Swowl - holding a vig-ability, apparently given by Galz
pasta - has been around and participating all game, but doesn't seem to be doing a whole lot that I've noticed

Do we have any useful leads?  What's up with both Galz and Didds being hated now?  Galz leftover from before or something new?  Does this mean Awaclus set up a chat with Didds, then died or is there another way to become hated?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #982 on: April 29, 2021, 10:37:39 am »

My guess is the game is still going because Didds is scum & hated, so we can still Exile her with 2 votes. Swowl is likely town and can still kill you, Math, or Scola at night. If Swowl is killed at night, the Sword will return to me and the game will end in a draw, unless I still have protection from scum from inside the Fortress, in which case town will win. If I’m killed at night instead, Swowl will retain the Sword and the game should end in a draw.

This is all assuming 3 scum, which would be {Math, Scola, Didds}. If there’s only 2, then it’s somewhat traditional ExLo, with 2 hated mechanics and a Sword still in play.

Willing to quick Exile Didds.

Math, is Didds your partner?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #983 on: April 29, 2021, 11:44:39 am »

My guess is the game is still going because Didds is scum & hated, so we can still Exile her with 2 votes. Swowl is likely town and can still kill you, Math, or Scola at night. If Swowl is killed at night, the Sword will return to me and the game will end in a draw, unless I still have protection from scum from inside the Fortress, in which case town will win. If I’m killed at night instead, Swowl will retain the Sword and the game should end in a draw.

This is all assuming 3 scum, which would be {Math, Scola, Didds}. If there’s only 2, then it’s somewhat traditional ExLo, with 2 hated mechanics and a Sword still in play.

Willing to quick Exile Didds.

Math, is Didds your partner?

Why do you already want a quick exile.  Isn't that what scum wants?

When you say "draw" - you mean a tie?  Like 1-1 scum/town leftover?  Everywhere I've played, that's a scum win... is that not true here?  Day vote goes to a draw, and at night, scum kills town.

You're talking 3 scum, but I don't see any practical way that works.  Even if you or Didds are scum and we quickhammer, that would put us 2-2 going into night.  I guess this would mean a town doctor, role-blocker, or possibly both?  We would need to come out of the next night at 2-1 (as 1-1 would be a scum win, from my understanding).  So either the claimed doctor (Didds) is town unlike intended quickhammer indicates, or there is a RB that still hasn't been made publicly known, and doesn't seem to have done much.  I believe we've had a kill each night, and an accounting for the vig-axe-sword thing from Swowl every night except the first (which the story seems to say is when Swowl was given the sword, to be used the following night).

So I think about setup.  I know it's BM, but it's still supposed to be reasonably balanced.  I think there has to be 2 scum at this point, or some weird 3rd party role(s) instead.  When Bright flipped town EOD yesterday, I figured that one scum had to be Awaclus - you can ask Swowl or Didds, as I stated this at night in our Snow White QT.  But his role, to give 2 scum a 3rd vote, makes sense for balance.

The only other thing I can think of, with 2 scum... is Galz and Swowl.  If you two get a 2nd kill from night 2 onward, this could make sense.  Did you two come up with a plan for claiming a "sword" that "town Galz" gets to give to "someone else" at the start of the game?  I still don't know how this all fits with Bright's fortress, with scum-Galz in there when Bright died, and it being a scum-kill.  But I guess that's the misinterpretation we've been running with, that it doesn't "protect you", but "has a chance to protect you"?

To answer your question, no, Didds isn't my partner.  And I'm also not willing to quick-hammer anyone at this point.  I think we need to have a discussion before we throw out votes.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #984 on: April 29, 2021, 11:49:39 am »

It’sa draw in a 1v1 if town also has a killing action (Sword), and a town win if they additionally have protection from the kill (Fortress).
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #985 on: April 29, 2021, 11:51:13 am »

How would quick exile be town? If scum could quickhammer with no other votes, the game would just be over now, right?

I am surprised at the flips as I do now think Galz and WCD could both be town, and fang was one of my two most scummy reads, with Awaclus 3rd. (1st is mathdude)

Or galz could be 3rd party? I could imagine 2 scum, 1 3rd party maybe.

Either way, I don't see any town merit for a quickhammer right now.

Re: the fortress, why I know think likely no scum in there. We now know Bright was town. We also know that the fortress was attacked. And in my own reading now, I see it was damaged. That to me implies that the fortress was the thing that did the protecting, not Didds.

Didds, who did you protect last night?

I have other thoughts, that I'd like to wait to see the answer to that first.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #986 on: April 29, 2021, 11:51:54 am »

I guess I should say, I am strongly planning on a mathdude vote today. I won't yet, but I'll need to be convinced to change my mind.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #987 on: April 29, 2021, 12:17:31 pm »

How would quick exile be town? If scum could quickhammer with no other votes, the game would just be over now, right?

I am surprised at the flips as I do now think Galz and WCD could both be town, and fang was one of my two most scummy reads, with Awaclus 3rd. (1st is mathdude)

Or galz could be 3rd party? I could imagine 2 scum, 1 3rd party maybe.

Ok, I missed this.  This means that if there are 2 scum outside of Galz/Didds (or even one of them and one other), they can simply quickhammer and end the day, heading into night 2-2 and hope for the best overnight.  If there are 2 scum among me, pasta, and Swowl, this is a pretty easy win for scum, as the remaining 3 (town or 3rd party) have to all vote one of the scum before the two scum quickhammer.

So this tells me scum is either:
1. one of Didds/Galz and one outside (pasta/Swowl), or
2. it's both Didds and Galz.

If (1), then scum still has an opportunity to quickhammer the other Hated player, but risk outing themselves (and having their own Hated player get quickhammered by town first) if one person makes a move and the other is too slow to follow.  Also, it means that, as town, I/we don't want to make the first move, as scum can then quickhammer if we're wrong and make it look like the first voter and the quickhammer-er are the two scum.  Thus, we're in a stalemate, neither side wanting to move first, unless we can figure out which is the right Hated player to kill.

If (2), then we definitely want to hammer one of them, rather than looking outside, obviously.  And it's only if scum can get one of us to turn on another that they have a chance to hammer us.

So all that being said... pasta, I don't see any use in you voting for me.  Since scum hasn't quickhammered one of the Hated players yet (and 3 of the 5 have been online already, so there would be at least 1 vote already unless it's Didds/Swowl), that tells me we should be strongly suspecting one or both of Didds and Galz.

The only slightly townie thing you've done in this, pasta, is not actually vote for me (even though you said you plan to).
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #988 on: April 29, 2021, 12:21:51 pm »

Still thinking stuff through - possible set-ups for 2 scum, so they aren't overpowered...

Awaclus' role to make someone hated (and ability to get a 3rd vote) - obviously wasn't the case.

Galz/Swowl as a way to get a 2nd kill from night 2 onward (unless they also had the option night 1 but got RBed or something).

I guess the other possibility, with a (potentially town) vig... is a scum doctor.  At which point, Didds is obviously scum.  That seems a weak way to balance 2 scum in this large game, especially with potential protection from fortress.  But I guess it's possible.

I'm more likely to believe Galz/Swowl are scum.  But I'm admitting it's possible it's Didds with someone else - could be any of you 3 though, and I'll have to read back to see what sort of connections there might be between Didds and someone else.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #989 on: April 29, 2021, 12:31:51 pm »

I did forget about the hated aspect in my above posts.

Will think more on this all later tonight.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #990 on: April 29, 2021, 12:52:30 pm »

Du fuq? I was certain fang was scum. Ugh. So pretty much what I know now is that at least one and possibility both of my qts are corrupt. Or Joth is a bastard and there is no scum team. Having a game that just ended with a paid of deaths due to bodyguard, Swowl axe could explain both deaths. But I could be reaching since that is how I died over there.

I doctored Scola last night.

Galz talks about the fortress protection like he is COMPLETELY unaware that it isn’t protective if there is scum there and that it protected Bright. He is pushing me by just ignoring things we’ve already established. It’s super frustrating. I don’t think Galz is scum..a compulsive vigilante weapon that he gives away seems too powerful in conjunction with a NK. But 3p seems entirely possible. There is no explanation for his hated, is there?

Scola is punching Galz here and in our qt in ways that make me feel warmly toward him. But I am certain that all of you know how to do that with me. Well, maybe not math, but everyone else!

Awa sent me a love not last night, but he died so he couldn’t meet me under the bridge. Thus, hated.

I haven’t parsed all of math’s posts yet.

So, I feel like I have to look hard at the 7d and it makes me sad. Math has been super open but again, I don’t know him well and it could be for show. I don’t feel like Swowl is scum. But I have huge blond spots for that freaking owl, so I’ll allow that my feelings may not be helpful. There is no way around the fact that his deciding to keep the axe mens it had to be used rather than having a night off while it transits.

I’m not down for the quick hammer! Galz saying “hell yeah! The Didds could be dead” is decidedly not awesome.

I’m also aware that we have had no discussion of anyone’s power beyond my doc, awa’s hated, and the axe sword.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #991 on: April 29, 2021, 01:16:14 pm »

@ Swowl:

Do you still claim to have the Sword?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #992 on: April 29, 2021, 01:19:16 pm »

Didds, you will probably want to read my posts. I know you said you haven't yet. But in them, I think there's pretty clear evidence that you or Galz or both are scum. So for you to say you don't think Galz is scum is either a scum move or a blind town statement. I'm inclined to believe the first, which still doesn't clear Galz.

Also, if only 2 scum, I think a compulsive vig item fully makes sense, from a balance perspective. I would have expected 3 scum with our numbers.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #993 on: April 29, 2021, 01:20:42 pm »

In Joth’s last BM game, everyone was scum.

I will die laughing if it’s the opposite this game.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #994 on: April 29, 2021, 01:22:11 pm »

WCD, why would you protect me last night? In what scenario would scum have targeted me?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #995 on: April 29, 2021, 01:45:16 pm »

Didds, would you vote (first) for Galz if we think that's the way to go?

Galz, would you vote Swowl if we decide the vote is between the two of you?

Swowl, would you rather we vote Galz or Didds first? And do you think one or both of them are scum?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #996 on: April 29, 2021, 01:59:51 pm »

Scum teams pretty much have one of three possibilities from my perspective:

{Math, Didds, Scola}, {Swowl, Didds}, {Swowl, Math}

Swowl cannot be part of a 3 person team AND have the Sword still. If there IS a 3 person team, the only reason we’re still playing is because Swowl has the Sword and control of a town NK.

My vote preference is Didds, far greater than anybody else, then maaaybe Swowl second. I could also be convinced to go Math if Scola was dead set on it as he’s my best guess (beyond Swowl) to be town & I think that is Scola is scum, so is Math anyway, so I think it would be a gambit on their end.
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SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #997 on: April 29, 2021, 02:08:35 pm »

Scum teams pretty much have one of three possibilities from my perspective:

{Math, Didds, Scola}, {Swowl, Didds}, {Swowl, Math}

Swowl cannot be part of a 3 person team AND have the Sword still. If there IS a 3 person team, the only reason we’re still playing is because Swowl has the Sword and control of a town NK.

My vote preference is Didds, far greater than anybody else, then maaaybe Swowl second. I could also be convinced to go Math if Scola was dead set on it as he’s [Scola] my best guess (beyond Swowl) to be town & I think that ifScola is scum, so is Math anyway, so I think it would be a gambit on their end.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #998 on: April 29, 2021, 02:11:33 pm »

Swowl chuckles at the flips, thinking about how funny it would be if there were actually no skum.
Swowl points out that that would be kind of unlikely as we have had pretty consistent presence of a kill that is not the axe-sword.


Swowl rubs his tiny stupid dwarf head, and says skum to chum is Pasta/WCD->Galz->Math.

Swowl pulls out the axe-sword and shows it to the town, explaining he does still have it.

Swowl thinks that mass claim may be beneficial at this point? Though do to it being a BM... he is doubtful on how much. Swowl would like to know what others think of that.
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« Reply #999 on: April 29, 2021, 02:13:38 pm »

Swowl agrees with Galz logic regarding keeping of the sword, pointing out he did not have any idea how many skum were alive, so keeping the sword was kind of "best defense is a sword that must murder someone at night" offense type thing.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1000 on: April 29, 2021, 02:22:44 pm »

Swowl, I thought you had to give back the sword if you used it? How is it that you kept it?
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« Reply #1001 on: April 29, 2021, 02:24:35 pm »

Also, why did you target fang?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1002 on: April 29, 2021, 02:25:20 pm »

Swowl chuckles at the flips, thinking about how funny it would be if there were actually no skum.
Swowl points out that that would be kind of unlikely as we have had pretty consistent presence of a kill that is not the axe-sword.


Swowl rubs his tiny stupid dwarf head, and says skum to chum is Pasta/WCD->Galz->Math.

Swowl pulls out the axe-sword and shows it to the town, explaining he does still have it.

Swowl thinks that mass claim may be beneficial at this point? Though do to it being a BM... he is doubtful on how much. Swowl would like to know what others think of that.


A mass claim might be our only shot to figure things out.  But like you said, being BM, we really have no idea how much to trust anything.  How would you propose we mass claim, for maximum usefulness?

Is it possible Joth is just randomly killing someone every night (if we're all town), in addition to the sword-kill?  That wouldn't be specifically "unbalanced", though would be annoying to find out for the first person or two who got killed this way!

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1003 on: April 29, 2021, 02:30:47 pm »

If this were true though, then how does the game end? Are we all just survivors then? (and if so, some dying through randomness doesn't seen right, even for bastard)
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« Reply #1004 on: April 29, 2021, 02:33:49 pm »

If this were true though, then how does the game end? Are we all just survivors then? (and if so, some dying through randomness doesn't seen right, even for bastard)

Scola, have you played a lot of Bastard games? Often dead people play, come in and randomly use PR's they don't have, Mods turning people into Tree Stumps if they feel like it, and other completely off the walls stuff. Like, they are *usually* complete nonsense with no sense of a real game. This game has been.... mostly an RMM so far, and very non-bastard.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1005 on: April 29, 2021, 02:35:20 pm »

Scum teams pretty much have one of three possibilities from my perspective:

{Math, Didds, Scola}, {Swowl, Didds}, {Swowl, Math}

Swowl cannot be part of a 3 person team AND have the Sword still. If there IS a 3 person team, the only reason we’re still playing is because Swowl has the Sword and control of a town NK.

My vote preference is Didds, far greater than anybody else, then maaaybe Swowl second. I could also be convinced to go Math if Scola was dead set on it as he’s my best guess (beyond Swowl) to be town & I think that is Scola is scum, so is Math anyway, so I think it would be a gambit on their end.

Agreed that if 3 scum, Swowl can't be scum, mathematically, for the game to still be happening.  If there is a chance of 3 scum still, it's obviously {pasta, Didds, Galz} but I think giving them the doctor too (from a setup perspective) feels too overpowering unless Didds has been lying to us the whole time.

If 2 scum, here are my possible thoughts, from most likely to least:
{Galz, Swowl} - the double-kill seems BM-ish
{Swowl, pasta} - only because of the fortress protecting Bright
{Galz, Didds} - but the fortress confuses me
{Galz, pasta} - if so, they've been successfully letting us destroy ourselves
{Didds, pasta} - similar argument to above
{Swowl, Didds} - if so, I'm very unhappy to have been stuck in a QT with both of them, and they've duped me successfully

Also, why did you target fang?

Did Swowl say he targeted fang?  Or do you know you killed Awaclus?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1006 on: April 29, 2021, 02:43:08 pm »

If this were true though, then how does the game end? Are we all just survivors then? (and if so, some dying through randomness doesn't seen right, even for bastard)

Scola, have you played a lot of Bastard games? Often dead people play, come in and randomly use PR's they don't have, Mods turning people into Tree Stumps if they feel like it, and other completely off the walls stuff. Like, they are *usually* complete nonsense with no sense of a real game. This game has been.... mostly an RMM so far, and very non-bastard.

Good point. I think the only BM game I played was the "you had to use a word from your list" one, and that was vert standard outside that. So sure, there's a lot that could happen and be crazy - part of why I joined this one. joth did promise in the early thread that this would be goody and anything goes.
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« Reply #1007 on: April 29, 2021, 02:44:52 pm »

Did Swowl say he targeted fang?  Or do you know you killed Awaclus?

the flavor text was he was stabbed, whereas Awaclus was just killed.
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« Reply #1008 on: April 29, 2021, 03:08:30 pm »

Fair enough.
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« Reply #1009 on: April 29, 2021, 03:27:06 pm »

Didds, you will probably want to read my posts. I know you said you haven't yet. But in them, I think there's pretty clear evidence that you or Galz or both are scum. So for you to say you don't think Galz is scum is either a scum move or a blind town statement. I'm inclined to believe the first, which still doesn't clear Galz.

Also, if only 2 scum, I think a compulsive vig item fully makes sense, from a balance perspective. I would have expected 3 scum with our numbers.

Either that, or koth is really messing with us

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1010 on: April 29, 2021, 03:35:17 pm »

Swowl refers Pasta to a previous post from earlier days (many of them) that state he can either give the sword back to the owner or keep it... but if he keeps it, it will have to kill again the next night.

Swowl points out that the first night, there may of been an argument for giving the sword back. His concern at first was he knows he is a good dwarf... and while he believes Galz is a good dwarf... there could be shenanigans afoot. Swowl kind of wishes at this point, that he had just given the fucking thing back after the first night. After that, when we got a green flip from Bright, Swowl figured he had to keep it.
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« Reply #1011 on: April 29, 2021, 04:14:24 pm »

Didds, would you vote (first) for Galz if we think that's the way to go?

Galz, would you vote Swowl if we decide the vote is between the two of you?

Swowl, would you rather we vote Galz or Didds first? And do you think one or both of them are scum?

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« Reply #1012 on: April 29, 2021, 04:16:51 pm »

Didds, would you vote (first) for Galz if we think that's the way to go?

Galz, would you vote Swowl if we decide the vote is between the two of you?

Swowl, would you rather we vote Galz or Didds first? And do you think one or both of them are scum?

I'd still like to see answers to all these questions.

Scum teams pretty much have one of three possibilities from my perspective:

{Math, Didds, Scola}, {Swowl, Didds}, {Swowl, Math}

Swowl cannot be part of a 3 person team AND have the Sword still. If there IS a 3 person team, the only reason we’re still playing is because Swowl has the Sword and control of a town NK.

My vote preference is Didds, far greater than anybody else, then maaaybe Swowl second. I could also be convinced to go Math if Scola was dead set on it as he’s [Scola] my best guess (beyond Swowl) to be town & I think that ifScola is scum, so is Math anyway, so I think it would be a gambit on their end.

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« Reply #1013 on: April 29, 2021, 04:22:48 pm »

Sorry Galz, you're right. You did answer. And you seem very hesitant to vote for your supposed partner, Swowl.

Did I miss any answers from Didds or Swowl?
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« Reply #1014 on: April 29, 2021, 04:27:04 pm »

Sorry Galz, you're right. You did answer. And you seem very hesitant to vote for your supposed partner, Swowl.

Did I miss any answers from Didds or Swowl?

Generally, yes, because there’s more reasons to believe he’s the reason we’re still playing than not.

Your putting a scum bias on your accusations does nothing to remove that reality.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1015 on: April 29, 2021, 04:38:36 pm »

So and sorry if I'm asking or repeatings things people have said, I have a lot going on and my brain is scattered,

so are we saying that if Swowl is scum, he can just kill with the sword every night and keep it AND also have the scum kill?
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« Reply #1016 on: April 29, 2021, 05:16:16 pm »

Didds, would you vote (first) for Galz if we think that's the way to go?

Galz, would you vote Swowl if we decide the vote is between the two of you?

Swowl, would you rather we vote Galz or Didds first? And do you think one or both of them are scum?

I'd still like to see answers to all these questions.

I am nowhere near ready to vote and I don’t like feeling rushed. It feels like you are pushing for a quickile knowing that Galz and I are hated, and I’m not willing to be part of that.

I think Galz is town because the fortress protection held with Bright. Galz has yet to articulate a coherent reason why that doesn’t hold for me I. His estimation. But it is hard for me to overlook.

I feel more confident about town Scola than I did last night, largely because of the fang flip and our exchanges in the fortress. However, If I trust him, that means you or Swowl are scum and I haven’t actively considered that because it hurts my heart. But my feelings about him are based on interpersonal affinity, so I need to keep thinking.

I’m also still waiting to hear what people’s powers are. Swowl and I are at a disadvantage. Everyone now knows my doc shot has the chance of rolling quack. Everyone knows that Swowl has the axesword and has to kill tonight. What about the rest of you??

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1017 on: April 29, 2021, 05:21:24 pm »

Didds, would you vote (first) for Galz if we think that's the way to go?

Galz, would you vote Swowl if we decide the vote is between the two of you?

Swowl, would you rather we vote Galz or Didds first? And do you think one or both of them are scum?

I'd still like to see answers to all these questions.

I am nowhere near ready to vote and I don’t like feeling rushed. It feels like you are pushing for a quickile knowing that Galz and I are hated, and I’m not willing to be part of that.

I think Galz is town because the fortress protection held with Bright. Galz has yet to articulate a coherent reason why that doesn’t hold for me in his (Galz)estimation. But it is hard for me to overlook.

I feel more confident about town Scola than I did last night, largely because of the fang flip and our exchanges in the fortress. However, If I trust him, that means you or Swowl are scum and I haven’t actively considered that because it hurts my heart. But my feelings about him (Scola) are based on interpersonal affinity, so I need to keep thinking.

I’m also still waiting to hear what people’s powers are. Swowl and I are at a disadvantage. Everyone now knows my doc shot has the chance of rolling quack. Everyone knows that Swowl has the axesword and has to kill tonight. What about the rest of you??

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« Reply #1018 on: April 29, 2021, 05:28:19 pm »

I'd be ready to claim at least my flavor*. As far as I know we know,
WCD is Doc.
swowl is Dopey (hence the not speaking).
mathdude is some other 7d.
And Galz is that sword forging Norse dwarf.

* and learn which dwarf mathdude is
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« Reply #1019 on: April 29, 2021, 05:53:21 pm »

I'd be ready to claim at least my flavor*. As far as I know we know,
WCD is Doc.
swowl is Dopey (hence the not speaking).
mathdude is some other 7d.
And Galz is that sword forging Norse dwarf.

* and learn which dwarf mathdude is

If you will state your best guess as to which of the remaining 5 dwarves I am, I will either confirm or correct your guess.

And then you claim your flavour-name after. But I don't mind having mine revealed first. After all, Swowl and Didds should already know.
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« Reply #1020 on: April 29, 2021, 06:03:47 pm »

I'd be ready to claim at least my flavor*. As far as I know we know,
WCD is Doc.
swowl is Dopey (hence the not speaking).
mathdude is some other 7d.
And Galz is that sword forging Norse dwarf.

* and learn which dwarf mathdude is



If you will state your best guess as to which of the remaining 5 dwarves I am, I will either confirm or correct your guess.

And then you claim your flavour-name after. But I don't mind having mine revealed first. After all, Swowl and Didds should already know.

Have you breadcrumbed it?
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« Reply #1021 on: April 29, 2021, 06:54:00 pm »

You've got 5 to choose from. I'm just wondering what your suspicions are, if any. I've been active enough in this game, maybe there is some indication. But I have almost no read on you.
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« Reply #1022 on: April 29, 2021, 07:22:57 pm »

Swowl points out he has already answered Math's question.
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« Reply #1023 on: April 29, 2021, 07:50:43 pm »

Swowl points out he has already answered Math's question.

This is the closest I see to an answer... unless you are talking about in QT:

... and while he believes Galz is a good dwarf... there could be shenanigans afoot. Swowl kind of wishes at this point, that he had just given the fucking thing back after the first night. After that, when we got a green flip from Bright, Swowl figured he had to keep it.

And I can't tell if the "believes Galz is a good dwarf" or the "could be shenanigans afoot" is the actual answer.

Also, while I agree we don't just want to quickhammer right away, I also don't think we should need to take the full 5 days to figure this out. Probably 1-2 now days should be sufficient. If anyone hasn't decided who they are wanting to vote for by then it's likely just scum waiting for the right opportunity to lock into something favourable for them.
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« Reply #1024 on: April 29, 2021, 08:25:10 pm »

Swowl rubs his tiny stupid dwarf head, and says skum to chum is Pasta/WCD->Galz->Math.
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« Reply #1025 on: April 29, 2021, 08:44:07 pm »

mathdude smacks his head and realizes it must soon be time for sleep, yet doesn't want to go to sleep. He also is not surprised to see Swowl finding Didds more scummy than Galz.

mathdude still wonders if the Galz/Swowl combo makes this BM game feel more like BM.

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« Reply #1026 on: April 29, 2021, 08:56:19 pm »

Swowl rubs his tiny stupid dwarf head, and says skum to chum is Pasta/WCD->Galz->Math.

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« Reply #1027 on: April 29, 2021, 09:07:14 pm »

Swowl promises it is fun... but becomes moderately taxing after a while...
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« Reply #1028 on: April 30, 2021, 11:09:20 am »

Alright folks.... are we ready? Activity has fallen off in both the qts, and in the thread, so I think maybe we are ready. I don’t want to vote until folks say okay, though. Between the two hateds, this will go fast, I think.
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« Reply #1029 on: April 30, 2021, 11:19:42 am »

Or did Scola decide that he was ready to share something about his role with the rest of us?
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« Reply #1030 on: April 30, 2021, 11:55:36 am »

I think Scola was going to share, but I’m not sure. I advised against it in the Fortress last night, but that was before we had two town flips today. Now I’m not so sure.
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« Reply #1031 on: April 30, 2021, 01:25:42 pm »

I think Scola was going to share, but I’m not sure. I advised against it in the Fortress last night, but that was before we had two town flips today. Now I’m not so sure.

He's the only one of us who has not shared his abilities or name, so I find it... unusual
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« Reply #1032 on: April 30, 2021, 01:27:04 pm »

I think Scola was going to share, but I’m not sure. I advised against it in the Fortress last night, but that was before we had two town flips today. Now I’m not so sure.

He's the only one of us who has not shared his abilities or name, so I find it... unusual

Do you? The topic just came up yesterday, and he was waiting to hear from Math. Things don't happen instantaneously.
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« Reply #1033 on: April 30, 2021, 02:10:29 pm »

I've answered about roles. If pasta will guess my flavour-name, then I'll reveal it (to pasta and Galz who don't yet know). Then I would expect pasta to reveal his after that too.

A question I just posted in QT, but I'll ask here too... I believe Swowl has a mandatory shot tonight - please correct if I'm wrong.

Even if we exile scum today, that leaves 4 going into the night (3 town, 1 scum, presumably) and likely 2 waking up in the morning. So unless Swowl kills properly (picks the right 1 of the remaining 3), then it's 1-1 in the morning, which scum likely wins.

If we exile wrong today, are go into night 2-2 and probably at best wake up 1-1 tomorrow.

But what about no exile? Then if Swowl is scum, he wins. But in QT, I've stated I'm fairly certain he's not anymore. So assuming Swowl is town, that leaves Swowl a 2/4 shot of picking right tonight (better than 1/3). And we likely wake up 2-1 tomorrow, ready to figure out the final vote.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1034 on: April 30, 2021, 02:35:02 pm »

Sorry, busy day.

I have no idea which dwarf mathdude is. You don't seem particularly Sneezy, Sleepy, or Bashful. So that leave Happy and Grumpy (amusingly enough, opposites). I'll guess Happy?

As for me, joining late as I did, I tried to think of someone who would other wise not have been taken, and when with....

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1035 on: April 30, 2021, 02:41:48 pm »

I went with fairly real-life for my dwarf choice. I've got 2 fairly young kids who often keep me up, wake me up in the middle of the night, or get up way too early.

I'm Sleepy.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1036 on: April 30, 2021, 05:00:11 pm »

Swowl thinks about the no exile idea. He needs to think about it some more.
He does agree with the general logic though.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1037 on: April 30, 2021, 05:14:21 pm »

Swowl thinks about the no exile idea. He needs to think about it some more.
He does agree with the general logic though.


It puts full trust in you, rather than letting us get swayed by scum as a group. Then tomorrow those who are left figure out what's left.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1038 on: April 30, 2021, 07:49:13 pm »

Sorry, busy day.

I have no idea which dwarf mathdude is. You don't seem particularly Sneezy, Sleepy, or Bashful. So that leave Happy and Grumpy (amusingly enough, opposites). I'll guess Happy?

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1039 on: May 01, 2021, 07:23:02 am »

Unless someone has a compelling reason to keep this day putting along...

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« Reply #1040 on: May 01, 2021, 02:34:22 pm »

Swowl wonders what everyone's stance is on the No Exile concept.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1041 on: May 01, 2021, 03:44:43 pm »

Swowl wonders what everyone's stance is on the No Exile concept.

Busy again today, but will think on this tonight.
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« Reply #1042 on: May 01, 2021, 10:55:15 pm »

Yawns

Anyone? Looking for opinions. Everyone asleep for the weekend?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1043 on: May 02, 2021, 12:08:41 am »

Math:

Your no-exile thought relies on Swowl being town, yes? As you say, if we no-exile here and Swowl is scum, Swowl wins.

So in your thought process here, you are town, as is Swowl. That means there are two scum in {Galzria, Didds, Scola}.

First: Why did the Fortress protect against Swowl's attack N2 if there were scum in it? (This is the same question Didds has asked me, and I've answered her in the Fortress).

Second: You are assuming Swowl has a 2-in-4 chance of getting the kill correct at night. But shouldn't you have a 2-in-3 chance of getting right by exiling from your scum pool today? Why would no-exile be your default choice here?

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If there are 2 scum and Swowl is town, and we mis-exile today (let's say me):

Night goes: 2 Town (Swowl + 1), 2 Scum

Swowl has a 2-in-3 chance of shooting Scum. He should NOT shoot Didds (Hated). He should shoot Math or Scola. Assuming Scum kills Swowl to remove the Sword from play at that point, the final day is {Math/Scola} vs Didds. Didds is hated, and takes 1 to exile. If Didds is scum, town wins. So this basically results in Swowl having a 1-in-2 chance of hitting scum (between Scola & Math), the same as you're suggesting Swowl has if we no-exile here. It also relies on the fact that both Didds and I are not town - but as we're both hated and take just 2 to exile, I assume if we both WERE town scum would've exiled us already and won the game - therefore we cannot both be town.

Actually - I think town has this at a 50% to win, based purely on Swowl's choice between Math/Scola:

Exile Me/Didds. I'll flip town, Didds will almost certainly flip scum. Literally doesn't matter:

Assume you flip me, and I turn town. Swowl picks between Math & Scola. If he picks wrong, town loses. If he picks correctly, and scum kills him, the final day is: {Math/Scola} vs Didds, and Didds is hated, town wins on Didds exile.

Assume you flip Didds, and she turns scum. Swowl picks between Math & Scola. If he picks correctly, town wins. If he picks wrong, the final day is: {Math/Scola} vs Me, and I'm hated, scum wins on my exile.

Am I missing something here? I guess what I'm missing is that if Didds and I are both town (as is Swowl), then scum wins (Exile one town, Swowl shoots either Math or Scola, both of which would be scum, and the final day would be whichever he didn't shoot against whichever Hated person didn't get exiled. But if Math & Scola are both scum, why haven't they exiled Didds or me yet?)

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1044 on: May 02, 2021, 08:05:44 am »

Thanks for posting a real thoughtful post!
You are right that my no exile plan relies on Swowl being town. I have posted in QT some additional reasoning and I do trust Swowl. So personally (knowing I'm town), yes there's a 2/3 chance of voting correctly today... but I believe the math worked out globally to be better with no exile.

Basically, if Swowl is scum and has additional kill, I'm fairly sure whe lost already and it's just a formality of getting to that officially (and there must be one fringe case where we could win, possibly if scum doesn't send in kill).
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1045 on: May 02, 2021, 03:03:32 pm »

Sorry, y’all, it’s the weekend. More when I’m out from under
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« Reply #1046 on: May 02, 2021, 03:19:40 pm »

Sorry, y’all, it’s the weekend. More when I’m out from under

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1047 on: May 02, 2021, 04:49:37 pm »

Swowl emerges from his slumber talking about a dream he had where Galz and Math had two different ideas.

Swowl points out that there is pretty much no way Galz can be skum here to push this plan. It has the same "faith in Swowl shot" outcome as any other plan, with the downside of, if we lynch Town!WCD and swowl shoots skum... then a Skum!Galz just hung themselves.

Swowl also points out that if it were WCD and Galz together... he would equally of hung his team, because when the other was not snap exiled at the start of day tomorrow... it would mean they are skum.

Swowl says he does not think it can be the following teams of 2; WCD!Math, WCD!Galz.
Swowl thinks it is unlikely that it is Math!Galz.


Swowl thinks possibly exiling within Pasta/Math (preferably Pasta) would potentially be a good idea. He thinks that if they flip town, then Swowl shoots the other (which would be hilarious because it would literally be a "who logs in first" for GalzvWCD), or if we flip skum with the exile Swowl could then shoot the other anyways... this would of course create the same situation of "first to log in", unless of course the team is Math/Pasta.

Swowl points out that this is only like 50% a joke.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1048 on: May 02, 2021, 05:22:30 pm »

Sorry, busy day.

Swowl wonders what everyone's stance is on the No Exile concept.

Busy again today, but will think on this tonight.

Sorry, y’all, it’s the weekend. More when I’m out from under

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1049 on: May 03, 2021, 04:08:46 pm »

I get that Saturday (4 posts) and Sunday (6 posts) are the weekend and some people aren't as available.  But today's posts (i.e. this being the first one) are sad for a Monday.

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1050 on: May 03, 2021, 04:43:29 pm »

I get that Saturday (4 posts) and Sunday (6 posts) are the weekend and some people aren't as available.  But today's posts (i.e. this being the first one) are sad for a Monday.

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Yeah, sorry. There’s been some discussion happening within the Fortress - which I suppose is super boring out here.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1051 on: May 03, 2021, 04:55:03 pm »

Yay, a post!

Yes, there was a bit in Snow White QT as well, but not too much.

So? Willing to vote pasta or are you two partners in crime?
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« Reply #1052 on: May 03, 2021, 04:55:22 pm »

I’m catching up with the fortress chat...
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1053 on: May 03, 2021, 05:46:16 pm »

Galz was in the fortress earlier today, Scola posted very recently. Math is in the 7d hideout now, but we haven’t seen Swowl since last night.

I’d prefer to let Swowl get here before we get down to any further votes because things will happen quickly once voting begins in earnest.
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« Reply #1054 on: May 03, 2021, 06:11:19 pm »

Swowl pops his head out the window and says hello!
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« Reply #1055 on: May 03, 2021, 08:00:50 pm »

Vote Count 4.1



scolapasta (1): mathdude

Not voting: scolapasta, WestCoastDidds, Galzria, Swowl
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah, Ozle, Diddzria
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« Reply #1056 on: May 03, 2021, 10:00:11 pm »

I didn’t realize the deadline was quite so soon. I’ll vote before I go to bed.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1057 on: May 03, 2021, 10:58:16 pm »

I’m here.

I ran everything through the Fortress, but tell me here if A) My conclusions are wrong, and B) If you see a better outcome.

Previously, I had run the results of exiling Me/Didds - And I think the end result comes down to Swowl killing correctly at night between Scola/Math. The problem that I didn’t consider is if, for some reason, Swowl cannot kill scum if they’re in the Fortress (that’s not how the protection of the Fortress was presented, but we are unfortunately unclear on exactly how the Fortress works). If Swowl cannot kill scum here at night, town loses.

So what if we exile between Scola/Math instead?:

If we exile scum!Math, Swowl kills either Didds or Me. If he kills scum, game over, town wins. If he hits town, Scola will be able to Exile scum on the last day. This result is identical for exiling Scum!Scola here. If Swowl cannot kill either of us because of the Fortress, it becomes a race for Me & Didds (and whichever town player is still alive) to log in. I Exile Didds, town wins. Didds exile’s me, scum wins. The third player would have to snap make up their own mind.

If we exile town!Math, Swowl may or may not be able to kill amongst Scola/Didds/Galz. The clear choice is Scola, as that sets Didds and I up as a race to log in and vote. If Swowl cannot kill scum!Scola, scum wins. But if we exile town!Scola today, at the very least Swowl CAN kill scum!Math, guaranteeing the race to vote on the Final day.

My conclusion is that if we exile between Scola/Math, at worst were in a race to vote tomorrow between Didds and me, and at best town straight wins if we hit scum today. With that said, I think exiling the person who DOESN’T have an unknown protection with the Fortress is the safest play - so I think we should exile Scola.

Thoughts?
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« Reply #1058 on: May 03, 2021, 11:02:27 pm »

I had too many negatives in the last sentence. The conclusion was intended though:

I think the safest play is to Exile the person who might have an unknown protection in the Fortress. If Scola is scum, it may be the only way to handle him. If he’s town, at least Swowl can still kill Math at night. This may or may not work in reverse: If Math is town and we exile him, we do NOT know if Swowl can kill Scola.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1059 on: May 03, 2021, 11:06:25 pm »

Obviously, knowing I'm town, I see your thoughts from a different perspective. But from your point of view, I do think you are making sense. If we are picking between me and Scola, obviously you know where my vote is... it's there already. But it does make sense - if it's between me and Scola, and the backup is Swowl shooting overnight, you want that shot not targeting someone in the fortress, if possible.
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« Reply #1060 on: May 03, 2021, 11:17:42 pm »

I think you're creating doubt about the fortress protection. It doesn't protect scum. That seemed clear enough from what it says.

It makes perfect sense that if it's all town inside it would not always protect. Because otherwise scum could not win. So what we saw before were it protected when swowl targeted bright strongly implies town inside. This, of course, was before I was inside.

But if I'm scum, swowl should be able to kill me. It's only if I'm town that he wouldn't be able to.

I know you're trying to created doubt there, but that's a scum move. Which mkaes no sense to me though, since the fortress protected bright.

So honestly, I don't know. I know I'm town. I know we town are better off if i continue to live. But I get you don't know that.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1061 on: May 03, 2021, 11:24:38 pm »

Swowl thinks to himself and decides that Galz assumption of not being able to shoot skum in the fortress doesn't really add up with what has been said about the protection. However, Swowl also says he is fine with a Pasta exile today.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1062 on: May 03, 2021, 11:25:08 pm »

I think your interpretation is wrong. I think that what the Fortress does IS protect. Whoever is in it. It sounded like Bright corrected himself just before death to say the protection was LESSENED by scum being in it - but he still wasn’t clear (and may not have known) exactly what that meant. As such, WE do not know exactly what that means. The fact that I’ve a very high confidence in Didds being scum alone makes me think your proposed understanding is wrong.

However, it doesn’t matter: I may be wrong. You may be right. But my point is simply that we do not know ... and relying on that mechanic when we don’t actually know how it works seems silly.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1063 on: May 03, 2021, 11:32:26 pm »

But that doesn't make sense - the lessening can't just be because there was scum in it, because if not, you're saying if all town it's protection can't be broken. And that would not give scum any chance at all if there was a solid town core. It just makes so much more sense that the weakening of the fortress is over time, if attacked enough times.

I said this in the fortress but it makes sense to me that letting a scum in allows scum to kill at night because they're already on the fortress.

Though I guess scum may not have figured that out so have not used the NK with the scum inside?

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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1064 on: May 03, 2021, 11:39:40 pm »

I think that the Fortress IS weakened over time when attacked. But consider this interpretation:

The Fortress protects against 4 attacks. As long as there is no scum inside, any attack made against the Fortress reduces it’s protection by 1. If at any point there are scum within the Fortress, its defenses are weakened, and any attacks made against it reduce it’s protection by 2.

Anybody within the Fortress can invite anybody else. It’s not at all unreasonable to think scum could get inside.

I’m not saying that IS the way it works, but certainly it’s an example that is consistent with what we’ve seen and been told. It’s entirely possible that scum within the Fortress right now are protected from outside kills.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1065 on: May 03, 2021, 11:43:48 pm »

Except that the description of it really makes it sounds like it could only take 1 more hit. So 2 total. If scum had been there the first time... well I guess you make a point that it only has 1 HP left because of that... hmmm...
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« Reply #1066 on: May 03, 2021, 11:45:23 pm »

i.e. it started with 3, and skipped to 1 because one of you or didds is scum. I could see that too, maybe.

Hmmm... it did go from its initial state to where it is now with only 1 hit, so I actually think I may be willing to believe this.

SO scum could be mathdude / didds or mathdude / galz.

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« Reply #1067 on: May 03, 2021, 11:46:18 pm »

So I think I've talked myself into being willing to vote for Didds. Galz, you want go that way?
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« Reply #1068 on: May 03, 2021, 11:50:34 pm »

That's how you've talked yourself into voting Didds? Could be me/Galz or me/Didds, so take a 50/50 and see if someone will join you?

Sure sounds like scrambling.
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« Reply #1069 on: May 03, 2021, 11:53:43 pm »

well, no because I never said 50/50. Of galz and didds I've suspected didds more.

That said, I changed my mind. I reread the fortress and don't actually think it's at 1 hp. So I think what I said there was wrong, so I'm back to thinking galz and didds are town with me.


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« Reply #1070 on: May 03, 2021, 11:57:29 pm »

Apologies. I don’t want to shut down conversation, but I’ve got to work in the morning

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« Reply #1071 on: May 03, 2021, 11:57:56 pm »

Scola, you are all over the map. Throwing out any little idea to see if anyone will bite on anything with you? No one has, so try again.
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« Reply #1072 on: May 04, 2021, 12:00:27 am »

Gonna hammer this. See what happens.

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« Reply #1073 on: May 04, 2021, 12:01:58 am »

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« Reply #1074 on: May 04, 2021, 12:02:13 am »

Swowl says "just to be safe"
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« Reply #1075 on: May 04, 2021, 12:02:30 am »

that is such a mischaracterization.

I won't disagree that I am all over the board, but that's because I don't know who to trust... so of course I'm trying to play with different ideas.

But the "anyone will bite" part? what specifically? just that I considered didds there for a Dwarf Village minute? that's because I was trying to understand some way that the people all in the fortress could not all be town. Based on what galz was suggesting. so I remembered the wording, came up with a hypothesis. But I went back and reread and realized it didn't work. If I were really trying to get people to bite, I would've switched my vote to her, then to put her at X-1. Let Galz decide if he wants to hammer.

But I didn't nor did I even leave the idea out there long.
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« Reply #1076 on: May 04, 2021, 12:02:37 am »

Well, I think Galz or Didds just tried to clear themselves by voting with what looked like a sure thing. We will have to find out pasta's partner tomorrow.
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« Reply #1077 on: May 04, 2021, 12:03:33 am »

Oh well, I wrote that and saw the votes, but figured i'd post anyway.

I'm town and would've been useful to still be alive.

mathdude is scum. I don't know for sure who his partner is, though I think it's most likely swowl.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1078 on: May 04, 2021, 12:04:06 am »

Good luck tomorrow town, if the game is still open. You've done exiled a good little dwarf.
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« Reply #1079 on: May 04, 2021, 12:06:49 am »

Good luck tomorrow town, if the game is still open. You've done exiled a good little dwarf.

Well, if that's true, it wouldn't be the first time this game. We've been pretty poor with voting this game.
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« Reply #1080 on: May 04, 2021, 12:09:10 am »

It is true. And you are scum.

mathdude, humor me, play as an outsider and assume you are scum - who would you suspect as your partner?
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« Reply #1081 on: May 04, 2021, 12:20:21 am »

It is true. And you are scum.

mathdude, humor me, play as an outsider and assume you are scum - who would you suspect as your partner?

I'll humour you and answer once we see you flip.
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« Reply #1082 on: May 04, 2021, 12:26:57 am »

It is true. And you are scum.

mathdude, humor me, play as an outsider and assume you are scum - who would you suspect as your partner?

I'll humour you and answer once we see you flip.

Once you see my flip, the thread will lock. What difference / harm does it make to speculate now?
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« Reply #1083 on: May 04, 2021, 12:30:31 am »

If you are town, then it doesn't matter. But if you're scum, then whatever I say could provide a launching point for your partner tomorrow.
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« Reply #1084 on: May 04, 2021, 12:36:09 am »

If you are town, then it doesn't matter. But if you're scum, then whatever I say could provide a launching point for your partner tomorrow.

I mean, that's true of anything we say in this game. Plus it's not if you are town as the the whole exercise is with assuming you are scum.

I'm whatever you say is irrelevant if you're town!mathdude. But we both know you're not.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY TWO
« Reply #1085 on: May 04, 2021, 12:48:07 am »

Also, [math]'s alive on Day 2. This has never happened, therefore, he must be scum.

So pasta, are you saying this is what it effectively boils down to?
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« Reply #1086 on: May 04, 2021, 08:29:15 am »

THREAD LOCKED

sorry but you may have to wait a bit longer for the flip.
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« Reply #1087 on: May 04, 2021, 09:11:21 am »

Vote Count 4.1



scolapasta (1): mathdude, WestCoastDidds, Galzria, Swowl

Not voting: scolapasta
Not playing: MiX, jotheonah, Ozle, Diddzria
Playing, but dead, PINL: Jimmmmm

With 5 alive, it took three to exile.

GAME OVER

scolapasta has been exiled. He was Mini-Me, a GOOD DWARF.
Swowl has been endgamed. He was Dopey, a GOOD DWARF.

Congratulations to the BAD DWARF team of WestCoastDidds, Galzria, and mathdude for a perfect game win! They were Doc, Dainn, and Sleepy, respectively.



Here is the speccy link: https://quicktopic.com/53/H/7yUWSTdcPcn
Here is the Google Doc of setup info and QTs, but it's missing all the secret mod info of how powers worked that wasn't really written down anywhere: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ndcmv1kA-t9PCpvpy3nyzmew2CRVzR5w8Dk1i_84oss/edit?usp=sharing

Scum QT: https://quicktopic.com/53/H/uPDaw2Nc5nc
Fortress: https://quicktopic.com/53/H/BmCWU7aNLHTY
Snow White: https://quicktopic.com/53/H/qMNLMGhnK3mJ

The fortress was able to take damage in a number of ways. It would automatically get weaker the taller it got, it would take damage from attacks, and it would take one. damage when Brightgalrs died. It had four hit points.

Scum being in the fortress did not weaken it, though, it just made it ineffective AGAINST SCUM. So unfortunately, it only ended up working against the town vig.

Awaclus's QTs made the recipient hated. That effect was permanent and would stack. At the point that it would auto-exile it would have made them a tree stump, at which point I would have given them the option of replacing their body with a tin body.

I think that's everything important. I will take additional questions.



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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1088 on: May 04, 2021, 09:20:26 am »

Even thought Swowl was 1-shot deathproof and would have survived the NK, he also could not have succeeded with his vig kill because of the fortress and mathdude's ability. So I couldn't see any feasible way he could avoid being exiled the next day -- even with Galz and Didds hated it would take 2 votes to kill them with four alive. Hence, endgamed.
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« Reply #1089 on: May 04, 2021, 09:44:49 am »


Also, [math]'s alive on Day 2. This has never happened, therefore, he must be scum.

This is currently my mafia legacy. 2 games died D1 as town. This game I won as scum. Guess I'll prepare to be exiled D2 in my next game.
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« Reply #1090 on: May 04, 2021, 09:45:40 am »

My eyesight may not be the best, but my reads were spot on!
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« Reply #1091 on: May 04, 2021, 09:53:34 am »

My eyesight may not be the best, but my reads were spot on!

Yeah. In other news, I still hate the fact that town never exiles people based on NK'd townies' reads.

Except when I'm scum. I love that fact whenever I'm scum.
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« Reply #1092 on: May 04, 2021, 09:54:23 am »

My eyesight may not be the best, but my reads were spot on!

There were lots of good reads this game, actually. It took quite a bit of effort to make sure they didn’t coalesce! You, Awaclus, fang and Scola (for the most part) we’re all often spot on.
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« Reply #1093 on: May 04, 2021, 09:56:36 am »

So much more of this game was happening in the qts than the thread. It was crazy pants!
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« Reply #1094 on: May 04, 2021, 10:01:49 am »

My eyesight may not be the best, but my reads were spot on!

Yeah. In other news, I still hate the fact that town never exiles people based on NK'd townies' reads.

Except when I'm scum. I love that fact whenever I'm scum.

This would have been a game-changer.
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« Reply #1095 on: May 04, 2021, 10:02:48 am »

It was a mistake from me to use my ability on pubby. At the time it felt like I was still in the info gathering stage of the game (and I didn't know it would cause hated in particular although I did expect it to be something harmful), and I didn't properly consider that it might have more long-lasting effects that would still continue to make a difference even in the stage where we're actually supposed to exile scum. In retrospect, enough info was there by N1 to figure out a better target, but I didn't expect it to be there so I didn't even look for it.
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« Reply #1096 on: May 04, 2021, 10:03:04 am »

So much more of this game was happening in the qts than the thread. It was crazy pants!

I didn’t know the relevance of saying it, because Joth said keep it to myself: But I was part Elf, which I think a Dwarf Doctor might’ve killed if they targeted me.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1097 on: May 04, 2021, 10:38:06 am »

I'm happy I read Didds correctly! I'm sad I read math incorrectly. Oh well, I do know Didds more than math.

I think it's fair to add math to the scola basket of "kill these people or they will never be noticed until they win as scum".
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« Reply #1098 on: May 04, 2021, 10:52:28 am »

So much more of this game was happening in the qts than the thread. It was crazy pants!

I love QTs and QT-heavy games but I always forget that this happens and I should really try to mitigate it.
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« Reply #1099 on: May 04, 2021, 10:55:53 am »

Didds wouldn't have killed anyone. Her ability would just do nothing to non-Dwarf Dwarves.

This is a change I made when she rolled scum because I thought giving scum a conditional extra kill along with the sword would be too much.

Ideas from this game that have merit for a real game:
- The fortress
- Compulsive vig-granting as a scum power
- A character who has a useful power (probably more useful than QTs) that also hands out hated chits as a side effect.

Honestly it might be fun to build a whole game around loved/hated mechanics.
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« Reply #1100 on: May 04, 2021, 10:56:29 am »

Anyway, thank you all for playing my goofy dwarf game with me. I had fun and I hope you did too.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1101 on: May 04, 2021, 11:28:57 am »

Anyway, thank you all for playing my goofy dwarf game with me. I had fun and I hope you did too.

Thanks for organizing it! I had fun at least, and my role was cool.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1102 on: May 04, 2021, 11:56:26 am »

So much more of this game was happening in the qts than the thread. It was crazy pants!

I love QTs and QT-heavy games but I always forget that this happens and I should really try to mitigate it.

I LOVED it!!
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1103 on: May 04, 2021, 12:06:23 pm »

Anyway, thank you all for playing my goofy dwarf game with me. I had fun and I hope you did too.

It was super fun, Joth! I love a QT and I had so many! I got to know math and Scola better, and I already love Swowl and Galzy!

Thank you!!!
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1104 on: May 04, 2021, 01:19:00 pm »

Anyway, thank you all for playing my goofy dwarf game with me. I had fun and I hope you did too.

It was so frustrating. But fun frustrating! :)  I'm glad I read mathdude correctly, and I did suspect Didds earlier, but the whole fortress thing got me all messed up. I need to learn to trust my reads more, I think.

I really liked the idea of picking a theme, letting players choose their characters, then devising roles based on that. If I ever host a game, I think that will be my plan.


The fortress was able to take damage in a number of ways. It would automatically get weaker the taller it got, it would take damage from attacks, and it would take one. damage when Brightgalrs died. It had four hit points.

Scum being in the fortress did not weaken it, though, it just made it ineffective AGAINST SCUM. So unfortunately, it only ended up working against the town vig.

Argh, I was close in how I thought this worked - that scum inside would basically let other scum enter (I think it would have been cool though for example if it were sleepy inside then it wouldn't work that way because they fell asleep before they could let a partner in!). But I somehow forgot to consider the fact that swowl was a vig and not scum, so that was why it protected. Who knows, I might've gotten there if I had not gotten exiled. I guess that would only have happened if swowl and I had voted for Didds or Galz, though.

Question on damage when brightgairs died - should have the description in the fortress changed from "a tad wobbly" to something like just "wobbly" (and then I assume next would be "very wobbly" for the last HP). I don't think it would have made a difference to the final outcome.


I think it's fair to add math to the scola basket of "kill these people or they will never be noticed until they win as scum".

I do not like this basket.


It was super fun, Joth! I love a QT and I had so many! I got to know math and Scola better, and I already love Swowl and Galzy!

Thank you!!!

Yes, this seemed like a dream set up for you! :)


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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1105 on: May 04, 2021, 03:05:37 pm »

bahahah I got punked lol. I think I did more harm to Town then skum did lol

That was fun though - thanks Joth!

GGs everyone!
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1106 on: May 04, 2021, 03:25:31 pm »


I think it's fair to add math to the scola basket of "kill these people or they will never be noticed until they win as scum".

I do not like this basket.

That is so your basket. Maybe you could decorate to make it more to your liking? Midcentury modern? How are you at crafting?


It was super fun, Joth! I love a QT and I had so many! I got to know math and Scola better, and I already love Swowl and Galzy!

Thank you!!!

Yes, this seemed like a dream set up for you! :)

It was!!  I really like learning about people and what brought them to our game and what they are doing and how was their weekend and do they like cake and all of the things like that which muddy the thread and make me look scummy, but are actually way more interesting to me than most of the game play. It doesn't bother people as much in the qt! And this time I got to talk to LOTS of people!!
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - GAME OVER PERFECT SCUM WIN
« Reply #1107 on: May 04, 2021, 04:47:15 pm »

Thanks Joth, my favourite mafia experience so far!

Frustratingly I could (should) have hammered Didds day 3 - I was the one with the extra vote (once per day).
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1108 on: May 04, 2021, 04:50:58 pm »

My eyesight may not be the best, but my reads were spot on!

There were lots of good reads this game, actually. It took quite a bit of effort to make sure they didn’t coalesce! You, Awaclus, fang and Scola (for the most part) we’re all often spot on.
And pubby. So many!
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1109 on: May 04, 2021, 04:56:45 pm »

My eyesight may not be the best, but my reads were spot on!

There were lots of good reads this game, actually. It took quite a bit of effort to make sure they didn’t coalesce! You, Awaclus, fang and Scola (for the most part) we’re all often spot on.
And pubby. So many!

I'm sad we never got a parade.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - GAME OVER PERFECT SCUM WIN
« Reply #1110 on: May 04, 2021, 04:58:18 pm »

Actually, question for you joth - one of my role powers was investigative results on me would have returned Bad Dwarf. But when I read through the roles, I didn't see any such investigative powers - did I miss something?
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - GAME OVER PERFECT SCUM WIN
« Reply #1111 on: May 04, 2021, 06:06:58 pm »

Actually, question for you joth - one of my role powers was investigative results on me would have returned Bad Dwarf. But when I read through the roles, I didn't see any such investigative powers - did I miss something?

Well, there might have been. If EFHW had picked the right spell. Or possibly one of pubby's parade options.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1112 on: May 05, 2021, 11:08:21 pm »

I'm happy I read Didds correctly! I'm sad I read math incorrectly. Oh well, I do know Didds more than math.

I think it's fair to add math to the scola basket of "kill these people or they will never be noticed until they win as scum".

This is not cool. But I'll take it as a compliment for the way I played. I'll admit I got a little sloppy the final day here, mostly intentionally, but otherwise I was happy how things played out.

This is the reason I don't usually play in person with people anymore - I always got exiled D1 because I was too dangerous after that. Instead, I just narrate and host in person games.
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Re: BM32: All Dwarves are Bastards Mafia - DAY FOUR
« Reply #1113 on: May 05, 2021, 11:13:09 pm »

bahahah I got punked lol. I think I did more harm to Town then skum did lol

That was fun though - thanks Joth!

GGs everyone!

It was hard to tell whether you were following Didds and me, or if we were following you in our favour some of the time. The sword to you by Galz was very intentional though, so we could help influence who you killed. I felt very safe helping point you some nights since you town-read me so much. Sorry!
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