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[faust]

As the jury members entered, A Drowned Kernel exclaimed "This is all a witch hunt! The President is obviously innocent!"

"I agree!", shouted WestCoastDidds.

"So... are we done here?", SpaceAnemone asked. "I didn't even take my seat yet..."

Presidential Jury Final Vote Count

Not Guilty (2): A Drowned Kernel, WestCoastDidds

Not Voting (1): SpaceAnemone

MiX has been judged not guilty! They are not sent to the brig.

[ashersky]

That was absolutely the most non-town thing I've ever seen.

I mean, I guess a "random" jury could have ended up there.  But then again, they didn't ask or allow for discussion.

The fact that the two voting members of the jury share a QT at night just makes it even more suspicious.

And ADK already claimed non-town.

[ashersky]

MiX, ADK, and WCD may not all be the same alignment, but they definitely are not town-aligned.

[ashersky]

I mean, we're basically looking at a town loss here.  Given we're working with a series, it could be our best interests to end the game quickly and move on to season 2.

[MiX]

That was absolutely the most non-town thing I've ever seen.

I mean, I guess a "random" jury could have ended up there.  But then again, they didn't ask or allow for discussion.

The fact that the two voting members of the jury share a QT at night just makes it even more suspicious.

And ADK already claimed non-town.

Do you mean that me and ADK have a QT?

MiX, ADK, and WCD may not all be the same alignment, but they definitely are not town-aligned.

Yes, I agree that ADK isn't town.

I mean, we're basically looking at a town loss here.  Given we're working with a series, it could be our best interests to end the game quickly and move on to season 2.

I'm town though, so we can still win.

[ashersky]

Space -- do you have anything to do with the others?  I guess that's the question for me at this point.

The mod said in bolded text that the jury would be selected randomly, so there's no reason to doubt that.

It's just incredibly unlucky that two of the three would be from the same evening QT, and one would be claimed 3rd Party that appears dead set on protecting MiX.

ADK's 3rd party claims could be cover for a mafia alignment I guess.  That would make sense with teaming up with MiX.

[ashersky]

The fact that the two voting members of the jury share a QT at night just makes it even more suspicious.

Do you mean that me and ADK have a QT?

Were you a member of the jury?

No, I did not mean you and ADK.

[MiX]

The fact that the two voting members of the jury share a QT at night just makes it even more suspicious.

Do you mean that me and ADK have a QT?

Were you a member of the jury?

No, I did not mean you and ADK.

Then, how do you know that?

[ashersky]

So how do we explain WCD's actions?  WCD knows that ADK is not town-aligned, and yet follows him.  What town player blindly follows a non-town player on purpose, without at least discussing it with everyone?  Another non-town player, of course.

[ashersky]

The fact that the two voting members of the jury share a QT at night just makes it even more suspicious.

Do you mean that me and ADK have a QT?

Were you a member of the jury?

No, I did not mean you and ADK.

Then, how do you know that?

I'm literally not allowed to say.  Like, posting restriction style.

[MiX]

The fact that the two voting members of the jury share a QT at night just makes it even more suspicious.

Do you mean that me and ADK have a QT?

Were you a member of the jury?

No, I did not mean you and ADK.

Then, how do you know that?

I'm literally not allowed to say.  Like, posting restriction style.

Is it related to the power you didn't claim?

[ashersky]

ADK is third-party, and supposedly wants to win with town.  How often has this situation come up?

And "wanting to win with town" definitely leaves open the possibility to win with other factions.

Then again, you wouldn't even exile me when I was arguing that I could eventually be a liability.  ADK being a future (or current) liability to town might not matter to most folks.

So, I mean, that seems like one player that needs to be exiled, pronto.

[ashersky]

The fact that the two voting members of the jury share a QT at night just makes it even more suspicious.

Do you mean that me and ADK have a QT?

Were you a member of the jury?

No, I did not mean you and ADK.

Then, how do you know that?

I'm literally not allowed to say.  Like, posting restriction style.

Is it related to the power you didn't claim?

Did I not claim a power?  If so, then most probably, yes.

[ashersky]

I think I most likely feel that the jury ends up being one town and two non-town, with Space being the one town player there.

I think it's just as possible ADK/WCD/MiX are just a mafia team as it is ADK is an actual 3rd party.  It's easy enough to run the mini-gambit with the fake 3rd party claim, then have your partners support it.  ADK and MiX are completely linked via grabbing government power, then making sure MiX survived.

[ashersky]

Also, our complete and utter inability to exile any players during this game makes for a frustrating experience.  If I had fun night actions, perhaps that makes up for it, but I do not.

No exile multiple times is painful, then a mafia exile being overturned by crooked jurors is rough.

I can't even get myself exiled.  Dude.

[SpaceAnemone]

"So... are we done here?", SpaceAnemone asked. "I didn't even take my seat yet..."[/i]

Haha, yes, quite! I was in meetings at work, and right now is my first chance to check in with the thread.

I don't know what to make of the sudden MiX-exoneration with no discussion. I honestly don't know which way I'd have cast my vote.

I had a QT with Swowl last night, for unknown reasons. Now he's incapacitated and with a green flip, I'll think about whether there's stuff from that  I want to share, though of course you'd all only have my word for what he thought anyway. I did ask him whether he'd vote to flip MiX if he had the chance, but unfortunately our awake times didn't line up very well, so I didn't get an answer from him on that before the thread closed.

[ashersky]

Now I'm in a conundrum, as MiX is clearly my top mafia read, but I definitely don't want ADK to survive any longer AND get presidential powers if we take out MiX.

Does anyone have a useful day power that could remove a player?

[ashersky]

Also noted that Swowl was that Boomer I asked about.  Turned out to be town, so what do I know?

If anything, that makes me more likely to be mafia.

[WestCoastDidds]

So how do we explain WCD's actions?  WCD knows that ADK is not town-aligned, and yet follows him.  What town player blindly follows a non-town player on purpose, without at least discussing it with everyone?  Another non-town player, of course.

I wasn't following ADK. He just woke up before I did.  I do not have an opinion about ADK's fate.  I would rather find scum than third party, but whatevs.

The majority of people in this game wanted to exile Jack Rudd.  Two civilians wanted to exile MiX.  My vote only makes sense.

[ashersky]

Jack Rudd, SpaceAnemone, WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, Robz888, ashersky

That's the list of players somehow still alive.  My guesses:

Town: Jack Rudd, Space, EFHW, scola, Dylan
Not Town: WCD, MiX, LL, ADK, Robz
Doesn't matter: ashersky

[WestCoastDidds]

Although, I think you are correct that we need an exile

vote: Jack

[MiX]

Now I'm in a conundrum, as MiX is clearly my top mafia read, but I definitely don't want ADK to survive any longer AND get presidential powers if we take out MiX.

Does anyone have a useful day power that could remove a player?

So you think I faked all that twylight talk just in case there was an unknown power that made me not flip? Why would I say ADK is third-party before I die if we're both scum? WIFOM exists, but doesn't that put ADK in a worse position, potentially getting exiled just for not being town?

Also noted that Swowl was that Boomer I asked about.  Turned out to be town, so what do I know?

If anything, that makes me more likely to be mafia.

It's so weird, Swowl was the one that asked Awaclus if he was Boomer...

I agree with that statement, even from your perspective you're more likely to be scum now. It's a very weird game.

Oh, by the way, I guess Awaclus flipping town did this already, but alignment changes are essentially confirmed to exist.

Although, I think you are correct that we need an exile

vote: Jack

Oh hey I can vote now!

Vote: scola

[ashersky]

So how do we explain WCD's actions?  WCD knows that ADK is not town-aligned, and yet follows him.  What town player blindly follows a non-town player on purpose, without at least discussing it with everyone?  Another non-town player, of course.

I wasn't following ADK. He just woke up before I did.  I do not have an opinion about ADK's fate.  I would rather find scum than third party, but whatevs.

The majority of people in this game wanted to exile Jack Rudd.  Two civilians wanted to exile MiX.  My vote only makes sense.

So, you are saying that exactly two of {ashersky, LL, Jack, Robz} are civilians.  How would you know that?
You are also saying that only one or zero of {MiX, WCD, ADK, scola, EFHW, Space} are civilians, as it only took two civilians to override the larger wagon.  How do you also know that?

And mind telling us which is which?  MiX claimed civilian, so are the other 5 all military?  Is MiX lying?

Also, how convenient that both you and ADK were on the losing wagon, and then got to be on the jury and make up a "majority" to overturn your loss.

[ashersky]

Now I'm in a conundrum, as MiX is clearly my top mafia read, but I definitely don't want ADK to survive any longer AND get presidential powers if we take out MiX.

Does anyone have a useful day power that could remove a player?

So you think I faked all that twylight talk just in case there was an unknown power that made me not flip? Why would I say ADK is third-party before I die if we're both scum? WIFOM exists, but doesn't that put ADK in a worse position, potentially getting exiled just for not being town?

I think you faked all of that because you knew you would not flip from the very beginning.  It was your own power, or ADK's power, or your faction's power.

Essentially, it was all planned in case you were the exile, knowing you could plant all sorts of seeds of doubt and misinformation.

[MiX]

Now I'm in a conundrum, as MiX is clearly my top mafia read, but I definitely don't want ADK to survive any longer AND get presidential powers if we take out MiX.

Does anyone have a useful day power that could remove a player?

So you think I faked all that twylight talk just in case there was an unknown power that made me not flip? Why would I say ADK is third-party before I die if we're both scum? WIFOM exists, but doesn't that put ADK in a worse position, potentially getting exiled just for not being town?

I think you faked all of that because you knew you would not flip from the very beginning.  It was your own power, or ADK's power, or your faction's power.

Essentially, it was all planned in case you were the exile, knowing you could plant all sorts of seeds of doubt and misinformation.

Isn't it clearly the turning point for the president to be brigged? It's possible scum knew of this beforehand, but...