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[scolapasta]

ADK doesn't normally lay so low. One of the hallmarks of ADK play is early RVS and then pressure for everyone else to vote, followed by a bunch of questions.  None of that has happened in this game. Additionally, I was late to realizing this game has started. When I finished my initial (late) read, ADK was my top scumread because they were in favor of keeping LLs role information secret, whereas Space was in favor of sharing flavor information that about half the people had and half did not.  I agreed with Space on that so found ADK a bit scummy and then they have haven't done much to change that.

That said, I have a TERRIBLE record of misexiling ADK so I am not taking my sense too seriously because of how often that sense has led me astray. But that is where I am right now.

As someone that typically townreads everyone that agrees with them, why do you think ADK being in favor of keeping LL's role a secret is scummy? Would town!ADK not do that?

I can answer this one - I meant to post back them, but never got it it - become scum only needs 1 person to know the background and can share in their QT. Town needs everyone to know it. SO if scum does know, hiding it is pro scum, while it's only possibly pro town if no scum knows.

[scolapasta]

Robz.

OK. I'll have to go back and reread but my general inclination was to have him on my suspicious list.

For now:

Unvote

My goal in voting Jack was really just to get him to stop just lurking, but it didn't have that effect. I agree with the sentimnt to grant hime a d1 pass unless there's something especially egregious.

[MiX]

ADK doesn't normally lay so low. One of the hallmarks of ADK play is early RVS and then pressure for everyone else to vote, followed by a bunch of questions.  None of that has happened in this game. Additionally, I was late to realizing this game has started. When I finished my initial (late) read, ADK was my top scumread because they were in favor of keeping LLs role information secret, whereas Space was in favor of sharing flavor information that about half the people had and half did not.  I agreed with Space on that so found ADK a bit scummy and then they have haven't done much to change that.

That said, I have a TERRIBLE record of misexiling ADK so I am not taking my sense too seriously because of how often that sense has led me astray. But that is where I am right now.

As someone that typically townreads everyone that agrees with them, why do you think ADK being in favor of keeping LL's role a secret is scummy? Would town!ADK not do that?

I can answer this one - I meant to post back them, but never got it it - become scum only needs 1 person to know the background and can share in their QT. Town needs everyone to know it. SO if scum does know, hiding it is pro scum, while it's only possibly pro town if no scum knows.

Okay, I understand why it's anti-town, but why is it scummy?

[WestCoastDidds]

ADK doesn't normally lay so low. One of the hallmarks of ADK play is early RVS and then pressure for everyone else to vote, followed by a bunch of questions.  None of that has happened in this game. Additionally, I was late to realizing this game has started. When I finished my initial (late) read, ADK was my top scumread because they were in favor of keeping LLs role information secret, whereas Space was in favor of sharing flavor information that about half the people had and half did not.  I agreed with Space on that so found ADK a bit scummy and then they have haven't done much to change that.

That said, I have a TERRIBLE record of misexiling ADK so I am not taking my sense too seriously because of how often that sense has led me astray. But that is where I am right now.

As someone that typically townreads everyone that agrees with them, why do you think ADK being in favor of keeping LL's role a secret is scummy? Would town!ADK not do that?

I think ADK generally likes to have as little revealed as possible.  This was a unique scenario because it was separating out flavor knowledge, not game knowledge. I believe ADK when they said that they did not intend to taunt anyone, though.

[scolapasta]

ADK doesn't normally lay so low. One of the hallmarks of ADK play is early RVS and then pressure for everyone else to vote, followed by a bunch of questions.  None of that has happened in this game. Additionally, I was late to realizing this game has started. When I finished my initial (late) read, ADK was my top scumread because they were in favor of keeping LLs role information secret, whereas Space was in favor of sharing flavor information that about half the people had and half did not.  I agreed with Space on that so found ADK a bit scummy and then they have haven't done much to change that.

That said, I have a TERRIBLE record of misexiling ADK so I am not taking my sense too seriously because of how often that sense has led me astray. But that is where I am right now.

As someone that typically townreads everyone that agrees with them, why do you think ADK being in favor of keeping LL's role a secret is scummy? Would town!ADK not do that?

I can answer this one - I meant to post back them, but never got it it - become scum only needs 1 person to know the background and can share in their QT. Town needs everyone to know it. SO if scum does know, hiding it is pro scum, while it's only possibly pro town if no scum knows.

Okay, I understand why it's anti-town, but why is it scummy?

Good point. Maybe I just haven't played enough games, I equate anti-town with scummy. I guess there can be third parties, but I'm ok with brigging them as well, if it avoids brigging a fellow townie.

[WestCoastDidds]

I think we should do a lurker exile. Based on 288/289, with Dylan vla, that points to
vote: Didds. Fits with the arbitrary ADK vote, as well.

Huh... at present, I have:
Jack Rudd - 9
SpaceAnemone - 15
WestCoastDidds - 15
MiX - 47
EFHW - 19
scolapasta - 36
LaLight - 22
Dylan32 - 6
A Drowned Kernel - 23
Swowl - 24
Robz888 - 11
ashersky - 29
Awaclus - 18
mathdude - 19

But this could be mistaken. I appreciate when Space does the post and word counts, because one line posts are much different than longer ones.

[WestCoastDidds]

Okay, I understand why it's anti-town, but why is it scummy?

Good point. Maybe I just haven't played enough games, I equate anti-town with scummy. I guess there can be third parties, but I'm ok with brigging them as well, if it avoids brigging a fellow townie.

I think for all intents and purposes, especially early on, they are the same thing.

[Jack Rudd]

Fair enough, scola.

Unvote

[Awaclus]

Good point. Maybe I just haven't played enough games, I equate anti-town with scummy. I guess there can be third parties, but I'm ok with brigging them as well, if it avoids brigging a fellow townie.

"Scum" generally includes third parties. MiX's point is that townies can act in an anti-town way (which is technically true, but not really something that needs to be taken into consideration a lot).

[A Drowned Kernel]

Good point. Maybe I just haven't played enough games, I equate anti-town with scummy. I guess there can be third parties, but I'm ok with brigging them as well, if it avoids brigging a fellow townie.

"Scum" generally includes third parties. MiX's point is that townies can act in an anti-town way (which is technically true, but not really something that needs to be taken into consideration a lot).

I would say it's something that needs to be taken into consideration all the time but I think that's a fundamental difference in our playstyles

[MiX]

Good point. Maybe I just haven't played enough games, I equate anti-town with scummy. I guess there can be third parties, but I'm ok with brigging them as well, if it avoids brigging a fellow townie.

"Scum" generally includes third parties. MiX's point is that townies can act in an anti-town way (which is technically true, but not really something that needs to be taken into consideration a lot).

I would say it's something that needs to be taken into consideration all the time but I think that's a fundamental difference in our playstyles

This, completely, 100% percent.

So I guess people want to see a Robz case eventually, right? When's deadline?

[mathdude]

Well, this party didn't gain too much traction, and the vote definitely hasn't prompted anything.

I haven't played with ADK or scolapasta before, so I'm not sure what to think of them yet.  But if it will possibly generate more discussion, let's make this a 3-way race for now.  Obviously we need to get to a 2-way race soon, and then actually pick 1 to exile.  But let's see what happens when we start building wagons on 3.

Vote: ADK

So I believe that's multiple votes now on ADK, MiX, and scolapasta.  Anyone want to defend any of them?  Or jump on one of those wagons?

PPE... like this!

if I could, I'd vote ADK rn

I got you, boo!

I don't get it. There's nothing in the last 50 posts to indicate why people would be anti-ADK.

So now, in light of this:

I think we should do a lurker exile. Based on 288/289, with Dylan vla, that points to
vote: Didds. Fits with the arbitrary ADK vote, as well.

Huh... at present, I have:
Jack Rudd - 9
SpaceAnemone - 15
WestCoastDidds - 15
MiX - 47
EFHW - 19
scolapasta - 36
LaLight - 22
Dylan32 - 6
A Drowned Kernel - 23
Swowl - 24
Robz888 - 11
ashersky - 29
Awaclus - 18
mathdude - 19

But this could be mistaken. I appreciate when Space does the post and word counts, because one line posts are much different than longer ones.

now I feel a better place to generate something useful is...
vote: Robz

[SpaceAnemone]

ADK doesn't normally lay so low. One of the hallmarks of ADK play is early RVS and then pressure for everyone else to vote, followed by a bunch of questions.  None of that has happened in this game. Additionally, I was late to realizing this game has started. When I finished my initial (late) read, ADK was my top scumread because they were in favor of keeping LLs role information secret, whereas Space was in favor of sharing flavor information that about half the people had and half did not.  I agreed with Space on that so found ADK a bit scummy and then they have haven't done much to change that.

That said, I have a TERRIBLE record of misexiling ADK so I am not taking my sense too seriously because of how often that sense has led me astray. But that is where I am right now.

As someone that typically townreads everyone that agrees with them, why do you think ADK being in favor of keeping LL's role a secret is scummy? Would town!ADK not do that?

I can answer this one - I meant to post back them, but never got it it - become scum only needs 1 person to know the background and can share in their QT. Town needs everyone to know it. SO if scum does know, hiding it is pro scum, while it's only possibly pro town if no scum knows.

Hah! That explanation took me some effort to get my head around, because I was looking at things opposite way round, but yes, I agree with you! Hiding the identity of LL's role can't possibly be pro-town unless it's assumed that none of the scumteam already knows it and shares with others. I would see it as being "possibly useful" to all of town, and only having a penalty in the less-likely situation where none of the scums already knows and can therefore share with their team.  If we assume that half the people know flavour, then for a 2-person mafia team not to have one of those people, it's a 1/4 chance, or for a 3-person mafia team it's down to 1/8.

Anyway, ADK's disapproval of me revealing info didn't seem to be accompanied by a scum-read particularly, though they were still saying they thought it was anti-town. I'm not sure where that leaves me reading them. Didd's case had more to it, but I'm not sure I'm really feeling it. ADK's play has actually been really variable across the game-day: they started out quite nit-picky and rules-heavy, but later made an error on how the Curfew card works and went all lurky. Is that sort behaviour pattern something people would expect scum to follow sometimes? I'm not really sure.

[scolapasta]

I'm surprised to see Swowl at > 20 posts on those lists. I can't recall a particular conversation he's been an active part of.

I feel I'd put him in the same bucket I have Robz - usually posts a lot on other games, but mostly absent this game. Dylan too, but he's got the VLA (will he back back before deadline??)

[scolapasta]

So I guess people want to see a Robz case eventually, right? When's deadline?

Tuesday 3:30a Forum Time, so 30 hours 30 minutes from now. (not quite the "33" from the show, but similar enough!)

(And yes I waited until 9pm to be able to post this. )

[EFHW]

vote: Robz

[Swowl]

I'm surprised to see Swowl at > 20 posts on those lists. I can't recall a particular conversation he's been an active part of.

I feel I'd put him in the same bucket I have Robz - usually posts a lot on other games, but mostly absent this game. Dylan too, but he's got the VLA (will he back back before deadline??)

And I don't have any one liners... or not many at least. Dunno why you think I have been not around, I feel like I have been playing my A game thus far.

I am however, catching up on like 3.5 pages of posts now... be back shortly.

[mathdude]

vote: Robz

Care to add anything to that?  Or is that your contribution?

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm actually starting to feel vote: EFHW

White-knighting me was a little odd and jumping on the robz wagon feels opportunistic

[Awaclus]

This seems interesting. Vote: EFHW

[EFHW]

vote: Robz

Care to add anything to that?  Or is that your contribution?

New data shows he is the biggest lurker.

[EFHW]

I'm actually starting to feel vote: EFHW

White-knighting me was a little odd and jumping on the robz wagon feels opportunistic

I wasn't white knighting you, I was addressing an apparent movement to generate momentum for your wagon in the absence of any case.

[EFHW]

This seems interesting. Vote: EFHW

I would still like to hear your response to my question about your ADK vote.

[MiX]

This seems interesting. Vote: EFHW

Is Robz your scum buddy?

[Swowl]

Also, I was thinking about the curfew, and there is a plan possible there, but I don't know how good it is. Basically if everyone just doesn't do any night actions, then if there's a nightkill tonight, we can just auto-exile scum tomorrow by putting everyone at L-1 in succession, right?

Pretty sure this was covered - but, to be sure. While it is a good idea in theory... it is never working Night 1. It may not even be able to work later down the road... but it is a cool idea. Should be dog eared for potential use.