I also think we should not discuss military/civilian and cylon/human thing. There's something to form reads on.
For example I think makes too much sense to be town, Robz is making too little sense to be scum, I don't know mathdude and their meta (hi!) which I would like to know
anyway, I don't want the conversion shifting from Mafia to Flavor talking if this makes sense
god i missed this game
We probably can't talk about mathdude's meta, since the dude has only been in one game and it's not over yet.
It makes it hard for you (and others), since I have no "meta" here... as you said, my only other game isn't over yet. But it also makes it hard for me. Later in this post, I'm going to say "this is just who I am", but you guys will have no proof of that, having not seen me play games here before. So I need to be aware of that as I type... I need to find a balance between who I am, and (as a newer player here) who I'm "supposed to be" to fit in with the general play style on this forum. At least being a town-aligned civilian, I don't need to pretend to be something I'm not here.
Also, I think we should vote for the players who have confirmed that "cylon-aligned" is the mafia alignment, given that isn't public information and I had no clue.
I assumed that was the opposite of humsn-aligned and wouldn't be surprised if others did too.
I assume nothing. Things are complicated enough. Until things are mod-confirmed, seems best to assume anything is possible. Couldn't it just as easily be "Caprica-aligned" or "One True God-aligned" (based on the same wiki I found and clicking on Cylons)?
Seeming too sure it is "Cylon-aligned" is a mafia tell.
I'm not sure who you're talking about as "seeming too sure". As far as I can tell, MiX used the term first, I used it second, and Robz used it third. I don't think anyone is stuck to it. We all just assumed, based on the information given. Maybe we're wrong... and that's okay. Maybe we're right... and that's okay too.
But given all the confusion and tangents this seems to have created, it seems like it might be better to just refer to "human-aligned" as Town, and others as "not Town" or "Mafia"/"scum", or possibly third parties, as has been brought up as well as a possibility. I was trying to stick with flavour (as I have known nothing about it, and am trying to get more familiar).
i had no idea scum is called "cylon-aligned" vote: mathdude
I don't either. It was a guess/assumption, or even following the train of thought since MiX did actually mention it first. Doesn't really matter to me... it's a non-issue. Voting me totally makes sense though... new here, not knowing general expectations of how/what to post in these Mafia forums, not knowing flavour, and *not being the one who even brought up the term in the first place!* /sarcasm
That is MiX, Robz, and mathdude, btw.
Makes sense a mafia president would choose a mafia VP and Hated.
Yes, let's set up a public connection, so I can get a QT with someone I would (presumably, based on standard Mafia) already have a QT with if we were both Mafia. That makes sense. /sarcasm
Upset you weren't picked as VP?
Well, possibly mafia does not have a day QT, while you and MiX do
This is something I'm still getting used to. When I used to play Mafia in the past, it never had a "night only chat" for Mafia - there, it was just permanent chat. So this is new to me, trying to remember that scum may not be able to talk to each other during the day.
But I will add, mathdude raises some suspicion for me:
did seem somewhat defensive and sarcastic about it; and I agree with ash that seems like it could be a tell.
asked about why would he want a chat with a fellow scum, leaving out the fact that this is a day chat and scum chat is usually a night only thing (at least in my limited experience; that one game I was scum, we had day chat and everyone seemed to treat it like it was a special cookie)
(least strong) this quote below. Based on my theory above, I would have maybe expected something mentioning the fact that someone had already used the term.
I'm just going on the assumption that mafia is cylon-aligned, based on them being opposite species here. Doesn't that make sense?
But then if he were scum, could Mix also be scum?
Meh, I never know how to read MiX. But Ithink this is all enough for an initial vote for:
Vote: mathdude
Defensive... yes, responses can often be seen that way. Sarcastic... you bet. That's who I am. Get used to it. I'm not going to stop just because you say it's a possible tell. If anything, if I were scum, I'd probably be much more muted and cautious, trying not to attract attention. As town-aligned, I'm me. I'm speaking freely, and I'll poke and prod people, trying to get responses.
And the day-chat issue... as mentioned above, I'm not used to this concept. Read what I posted earlier, and it should be pretty clear.
Are you just upset I voted for you?
Also, did you vote for me? I didn't notice, nor do I care. if you have a second vote, feel free to place that one on me, too.
It would be nice to have a second vote. But I don't. Also, you probably did notice since it was in the VC just a few posts before yours. And that's not like something you'd miss.
--snip--
/sarcasm
Upset you weren't picked as VP?
Sarcastic confirmation of something is a million times a mafiatell. Just so you know.
I definitely did not want to be either President or VP. That said, I would not have picked the card that you picked.
A million times a mafiatell. Thanks for the information. Too bad. I'll "cave" on some things (a.k.a. learn to adapt to the expectations of games on this forum)... but I'm not giving up my sarcasm.
Don't worry, you weren't really in the running for VP. It may have been useful to have a separate QT with you to try to figure you out... but what would we say there that we won't say in here anyway?
@mathdude, why did you pick Curfew as the executive order? (if you already explained, apologies, I just quickly reread and didn't find it)
Ash wouldn't have picked the one I did... no surprise, we seem to be very different players. I did sort of answer (slash not answer) why I picked what I did. Basically, I said that the other two options seemed to be better suited for use on a later day, and I wasn't planning to say much more yet as I wasn't sure what the implications of saying more would be.
I will add to that a little now. At the time, I assumed that each executive order card was one-and-done. Use it, it's gone. Next night/day, use another, then it's gone... etc. It has been confirmed to me via QT that this is not the case. Enacted orders are not removed from the deck. So maybe I would have chosen differently if I had known that first.
Also, as was evident by MiX's post right after he was announced as VP and the Order was announced... I made both decisions at the same time, rather than waiting for a VP's input on which order to enact. I wasn't sure exactly on timelines, and didn't want the order to be chosen randomly (if I hadn't submitted an order in time). Looking back, I definitely should have done it differently, but I can't change it now. Assuming I'm around still tomorrow, I'll be more "careful" with my choice. I don't think it's a bad choice for today, but maybe one of the other ones would have been better (now knowing that it will still be available again in the future, rather than eliminated).
Here are my initial responses, so anyone looking into this doesn't have to go find them:
why mix math?
MiX seems to know what's going on. With me not knowing flavour, I figured it could help me get started in this complex game. It really was a shot in the dark on the first day.
also also @ Math - why pick curfew? what were your other options?
I'll hold off on saying much about that until I know whether there are advantages or disadvantages to doing it. I will say I think other option(s) may be more useful later.
I'm just going on the assumption that mafia is cylon-aligned, based on them being opposite species here. Doesn't that make sense?
Are Cylons the opposite species? Or just another species? Actually, I thought they were robots or something. I've not seen the show.
Semantics? You really like to nitpick, don't you. If I am ever scum in the future where you're playing too, I'm really going to have to be careful with what I say.
Vote: ash for fixating on this.
I agree... and that would be why my vote is staying there for now!
On the military / civilian thing, I would also have assumed that if someone had a flavor themed military character, they'd be military - at least for this first season. But that's just another assumption, and ash's experience seems to imply it's false. Or he wants us to think it's false.
This "first season" comment makes sense to me. But I don't know how you guys run RMM games here, and I don't know how faust runs games, so anything is possible. However, based on the small amount I know of ash's meta, I would strongly lean towards your final comment... ash wants us to think it's false. Why? Maybe just because it's ash? Maybe because ash is scum. No idea yet.
I'm just not all that familiar with Mafia, and am lurking to pick up ideas.
(I'm not all that talkative in general in social deduction games, whichever side I'm on.)
Welcome... we seem to be in similar boats, learning things here. I would recommend you join the conversation here though. It's the best way to get your feet wet (and potentially be analyzed to pieces). But that's part of the game.