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[scolapasta]

I wasn't sure if revealing the actual identity was more pro-town or anti-town, so didn't immediately reveal. But I think the discussion was pro-town, so I'm happy with that.

(and now that it's out there, yeah LaLight is lalikely LaHelo).

I mean it sounds like knowing his character name doesn't actually tell us species or alignment. Maybe tells us if it's civilian or military?

Mix, Are you civilian or military? Does no turning point mean you're civilian then? Or is your (possible) renouncing not powers not public knowledge?

[MiX]

I wasn't sure if revealing the actual identity was more pro-town or anti-town, so didn't immediately reveal. But I think the discussion was pro-town, so I'm happy with that.

(and now that it's out there, yeah LaLight is lalikely LaHelo).

I mean it sounds like knowing his character name doesn't actually tell us species or alignment. Maybe tells us if it's civilian or military?

Mix, Are you civilian or military? Does no turning point mean you're civilian then? Or is your (possible) renouncing not powers not public knowledge?

I am not the president yet, so there's no turning point. I don't think it's pro-town to reveal if I'm civilian or military.

Do you have any reads? This is definitely a game where knowing the flavor is very fun, as we'll play with it more, but catching scum should also be fun, right? That reminds me;

Vote: Awaclus

[A Drowned Kernel]

I wasn't sure if revealing the actual identity was more pro-town or anti-town, so didn't immediately reveal. But I think the discussion was pro-town, so I'm happy with that.

(and now that it's out there, yeah LaLight is lalikely LaHelo).

I mean it sounds like knowing his character name doesn't actually tell us species or alignment. Maybe tells us if it's civilian or military?

Mix, Are you civilian or military? Does no turning point mean you're civilian then? Or is your (possible) renouncing not powers not public knowledge?

I am not the president yet, so there's no turning point. I don't think it's pro-town to reveal if I'm civilian or military.

Do you have any reads? This is definitely a game where knowing the flavor is very fun, as we'll play with it more, but catching scum should also be fun, right? That reminds me;

Vote: Awaclus

I think it's definitely anti-town to reveal it

[Robz888]

Uh, sorry I missed the detail that we also cannot vote for LL.

I'm pretty familiar with the flavor but if there's an obvious reason why Helo would fit, it doesn't occur to me. Oh, is it it just because he's not with the fleet yet? Okay, sure.

FWIW I was assigned one of my absolute least favorite characters.

[Awaclus]

I wasn't sure if revealing the actual identity was more pro-town or anti-town, so didn't immediately reveal. But I think the discussion was pro-town, so I'm happy with that.

(and now that it's out there, yeah LaLight is lalikely LaHelo).

I mean it sounds like knowing his character name doesn't actually tell us species or alignment. Maybe tells us if it's civilian or military?

Mix, Are you civilian or military? Does no turning point mean you're civilian then? Or is your (possible) renouncing not powers not public knowledge?

I am not the president yet, so there's no turning point. I don't think it's pro-town to reveal if I'm civilian or military.

Do you have any reads? This is definitely a game where knowing the flavor is very fun, as we'll play with it more, but catching scum should also be fun, right? That reminds me;

Vote: Awaclus

I think it's definitely anti-town to reveal it

I think it's definitely anti-town to vote for me.

[Awaclus]

FWIW I was assigned one of my absolute least favorite characters.

I don't care about any of the characters, we can switch if you want!

[LaLight]

Anyway, to clarify for anyone not familiar with the source, there's a pilot character, Helo (Karl Agathon), who spends the beginning of the series stranded on earth, away from the rest of the human fleet. In the board game, Helo has to sit out the first round of the game, which maybe looks a bit like LL not being able to interact with the voting for now.

I will neither confirm nor deny this.

[LaLight]

I also think we should not discuss military/civilian and cylon/human thing. There's something to form reads on.

For example I think makes too much sense to be town, Robz is making too little sense to be scum, I don't know mathdude and their meta (hi!) which I would like to know

anyway, I don't want the conversion shifting from Mafia to Flavor talking if this makes sense

god i missed this game

[LaLight]

I also think we should not discuss military/civilian and cylon/human thing. There's something to form reads on.

For example I think MiX makes too much sense to be town, Robz is making too little sense to be scum, I don't know mathdude and their meta (hi!) which I would like to know

anyway, I don't want the conversion shifting from Mafia to Flavor talking if this makes sense

god i missed this game

EBWOP

[Robz888]

I also think we should not discuss military/civilian and cylon/human thing. There's something to form reads on.

For example I think makes too much sense to be town, Robz is making too little sense to be scum, I don't know mathdude and their meta (hi!) which I would like to know

anyway, I don't want the conversion shifting from Mafia to Flavor talking if this makes sense

god i missed this game

We probably can't talk about mathdude's meta, since the dude has only been in one game and it's not over yet.

[scolapasta]

I wasn't sure if revealing the actual identity was more pro-town or anti-town, so didn't immediately reveal. But I think the discussion was pro-town, so I'm happy with that.

(and now that it's out there, yeah LaLight is lalikely LaHelo).

I mean it sounds like knowing his character name doesn't actually tell us species or alignment. Maybe tells us if it's civilian or military?

Mix, Are you civilian or military? Does no turning point mean you're civilian then? Or is your (possible) renouncing not powers not public knowledge?

I am not the president yet, so there's no turning point. I don't think it's pro-town to reveal if I'm civilian or military.

Do you have any reads? This is definitely a game where knowing the flavor is very fun, as we'll play with it more, but catching scum should also be fun, right? That reminds me;

Vote: Awaclus

Ah, that was a misreading of the rules on my part... Agree better not to reveal yet (I was only asking in the context of my misreading).

Though from a non game / philosophical point of view, it feels wrong to be against revealing the military? How is having a secret military pro the people?

"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."

[scolapasta]

Re:reads

it's a busy week for me, so mostly just trying to keep up to date with posts.

My one scum game I was scum with Robz and space, and neither seems to be posting (yet?) like they did that game. So maybe slight lean town on those two?

Also, where is WCD?? (I'm guessing also busy week)

[Awaclus]

Though from a non game / philosophical point of view, it feels wrong to be against revealing the military? How is having a secret military pro the people?

It's pro the people because the enemies of the state have a harder time knowing who to get rid of if they don't know who's in the military.

[MiX]

I also think we should not discuss military/civilian and cylon/human thing. There's something to form reads on.

For example I think MiX makes too much sense to be town, Robz is making too little sense to be scum, I don't know mathdude and their meta (hi!) which I would like to know

anyway, I don't want the conversion shifting from Mafia to Flavor talking if this makes sense

god i missed this game

EBWOP

You can run a wagon at me now to get it over with, it happens like every game anyway. I agree with your read on Robz, however.

Though from a non game / philosophical point of view, it feels wrong to be against revealing the military? How is having a secret military pro the people?

It's pro the people because the enemies of the state have a harder time knowing who to get rid of if they don't know who's in the military.

This is absolutely true.

Who's scum, Awaclus? It's not you, it's not Space...who is it then?

[Robz888]

It seems like this has been explained a thousand times already, but in case it isn't clear: In Battlestar Galactica, there are humans who are human-aligned and Cylons who are Cylon-aligned, but there are also quite a few Cylons who are human-aligned (like, half the cylons by the end of the show!) and at least one human who is for a long time Cylon-aligned.

[Swowl]

Yeah, we can talk about more interesting things now, like Dylan being the scummiest so far and you being town. Who would you vote for, if you could (to include LL)?

I do not really have a preference on where to put my vote. I have a list of people I don't want to vote for, and LL is on that list at this point.

[Awaclus]

This is absolutely true.

Who's scum, Awaclus? It's not you, it's not Space...who is it then?

I don't know, I'm not in the scum team.

[LaLight]

I also think we should not discuss military/civilian and cylon/human thing. There's something to form reads on.

For example I think makes too much sense to be town, Robz is making too little sense to be scum, I don't know mathdude and their meta (hi!) which I would like to know

anyway, I don't want the conversion shifting from Mafia to Flavor talking if this makes sense

god i missed this game

We probably can't talk about mathdude's meta, since the dude has only been in one game and it's not over yet.

ah ok

[scolapasta]

Yeah, we can talk about more interesting things now, like Dylan being the scummiest so far and you being town. Who would you vote for, if you could (to include LL)?

I do not really have a preference on where to put my vote. I have a list of people I don't want to vote for, and LL is on that list at this point.

Is he just on that list because it'd be a wasted vote? Or you have more of a read on him?

[Swowl]

I have a small amount of absolutely non-concrete anything information that gives LL a day 1 pass for me.

[EFHW]

I have a small amount of absolutely non-concrete anything information that gives LL a day 1 pass for me.

You don't really have a choice, since you can't vote for him today.

[Swowl]

I have a small amount of absolutely non-concrete anything information that gives LL a day 1 pass for me.

You don't really have a choice, since you can't vote for him today.

I mean, fair enough. I was more responding to the additional information part.

[SpaceAnemone]

Uh, sorry I missed the detail that we also cannot vote for LL.

I'm pretty familiar with the flavor but if there's an obvious reason why Helo would fit, it doesn't occur to me. Oh, is it it just because he's not with the fleet yet? Okay, sure.

FWIW I was assigned one of my absolute least favorite characters.

Have you played the board game? All the characters in that have a specific weakness/drawback, and Helo's is that he's entirely absent for the first round of the game, which can feel like a really long time when you're playing.

[SpaceAnemone]

Normally I would agree with Space, but in this case, the question would have been hard to Google ("BG char who can't vote") so there was some benefit in not telling, in case all the scum don't know the flavor.  Not sure how likely that is.

If this is so, then I assert that it's anti-town for whomever said they could guess the role from meta to have said so in-thread. Once it's out there, and especially once MiX has pointed out that it's findable merely by "homework", then it just seems petty not to share.

The people saying "I know what you mean but I'm not going to tell" are merely taunting and penalising people who're unfamiliar with the show by requiring them to read several hours more stuff than the rest of us to get to the same level of engagement with the game. I think we can afford to be more respectful of each other's available play time, and also of the amount of time and effort faust has undoubtedly put into this setup so that it's really unlikely to be broken by just a little bit of BSG knowledge.

[SpaceAnemone]

"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."

Tempted to give a d1 pass just for getting in a thematic BSG quote :-)