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[ashersky]

If it helps, I attempted to aim the vig shot at MiX in my QT last night.  I am not lying. 

[faust]

If it helps, I attempted to aim the vig shot at MiX in my QT last night.  I am not lying.

So like... mcmc died because mafia decided it would be a good idea to shoot themselves?

[ashersky]

If it helps, I attempted to aim the vig shot at MiX in my QT last night.  I am not lying.

So like... mcmc died because mafia decided it would be a good idea to shoot themselves?

Seems extremely unlikely to me. 

[faust]

I am not sure what this is all about but I think I agree that we should exile outside of MiX/ash. I don't want to explain why, so you'll just have to trust me on this.

What I don't agree with is that the exile should be me. Let's exile gkrieg instead.

[MiX]

If it helps, I attempted to aim the vig shot at MiX in my QT last night.  I am not lying.

Yeah cause you're scum, lol?

I love this. I love this so much. Tell me when to stop reacting to your posts ash, I can't help but look at them and go "wooooooow, that's sooooooo cooooool!"

If it helps, I attempted to aim the vig shot at MiX in my QT last night.  I am not lying.

So like... mcmc died because mafia decided it would be a good idea to shoot themselves?

Clearly scum's foresight is huge, they knew that: I was getting vigged, the bodyguard was going to protect me, and that killing mcmc's worth this. I mean, the second one is actually something I assumed, but how could scum even know both vig and bodyguard are in play? Pick 3 scum PRs?? And instead of killing a PR, NK a mate??

Why am I even talking, I'm having way too much fun with this. I'm also having fun saying how much fun I'm having.

I am not sure what this is all about but I think I agree that we should exile outside of MiX/ash. I don't want to explain why, so you'll just have to trust me on this.

What I don't agree with is that the exile should be me. Let's exile gkrieg instead.

Okay, fine, but I'm doing the ash maneuver and hammering myself. That's the IC's job after all, right? Oh wait I'm counterclaimed now lol.

[jotheonah]

Ok, what am I missing... we have a claim and a counterclaim and people don’t want to exile either of them? Am I on PUNK’D? Someone explain this to me using small words.

[jotheonah]

“you'll just have to trust me on this.”

Here’s the thing: I don’t and I won’t.

[jotheonah]

Also, I m ow it’s not as flashy as claims and counterclaims, but I did the work and re-read t
Yesterday and came up with a fairly good case on ash. Isn’t anyone going to comment on it?

[MiX]

Also, I m ow it’s not as flashy as claims and counterclaims, but I did the work and re-read t
Yesterday and came up with a fairly good case on ash. Isn’t anyone going to comment on it?

It's a good case. I really like it. I think it makes you town. I'm voting ash partially because of it. But I don't think ash's push on math isn't something town!ash wouldn't do: as much as it was wrong, there were a lot of people buying it, mostly because, well, it made sense, in its own twisted way.

[faust]

Also, I m ow it’s not as flashy as claims and counterclaims, but I did the work and re-read t
Yesterday and came up with a fairly good case on ash. Isn’t anyone going to comment on it?

I wasn't impressed. But here are some comments. The case seems to consist of 2 pieces:

- ash pushed mathdude because he knew that he was a PR
- ash put exactly one scum in his "would exile" list.

With regards to the first point: if scum picked out a PR it makes way more sense for them to just NK that player rather than tell everyone about it and potentially risk protection. This also ignores that mcmc was on the mathdude wagon and that mcmc's partner is way more likely to be off-wagon.
Second part is fair enough but one scum in three players is also just the expected value. It is some indication but not a very compelling case. Especially since unless mafia recruited scum!ash knew at most one other scum anyways.

[jotheonah]

Ok, and why don't you support exiling either of the two claimed vigs?

[MiX]

Also, I m ow it’s not as flashy as claims and counterclaims, but I did the work and re-read t
Yesterday and came up with a fairly good case on ash. Isn’t anyone going to comment on it?

I wasn't impressed. But here are some comments. The case seems to consist of 2 pieces:

- ash pushed mathdude because he knew that he was a PR
- ash put exactly one scum in his "would exile" list.

With regards to the first point: if scum picked out a PR it makes way more sense for them to just NK that player rather than tell everyone about it and potentially risk protection. This also ignores that mcmc was on the mathdude wagon and that mcmc's partner is way more likely to be off-wagon.
Second part is fair enough but one scum in three players is also just the expected value. It is some indication but not a very compelling case. Especially since unless mafia recruited scum!ash knew at most one other scum anyways.

Scum!ash would definitely say math is a PR is public and push him anyway, that's just who he is. Besides, it actually helps build the math wagon, especially if the scumteam thinks quickexiling a PR's good, which is at least what mcmc thought.

I agree that town!ash would also be able to pinpoint 1 scum in 3 players. But scum!ash can also know both scum: if he's a traitor, for example.

[faust]

Here is a fun little tidbit: ashersky has been scum in a Stack the Deck before, and argued for selecting JOAT, Daychat and Recruit Traitor.

This is the mafia QT from then: https://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/Ytmu9saymai

[jotheonah]

Here is a fun little tidbit: ashersky has been scum in a Stack the Deck before, and argued for selecting JOAT, Daychat and Recruit Traitor.

This is the mafia QT from then: https://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/Ytmu9saymai

This IS interesting, but I would also take an 8-year-old game with a grain of salt.

[faust]

I agree that town!ash would also be able to pinpoint 1 scum in 3 players. But scum!ash can also know both scum: if he's a traitor, for example.

Wait, the Traitor knows who the mafia are? Where did you obtain this information?

[faust]

It's true, but it is certainly annoying that it wasn't mentioned anywhere.

[EFHW]

Just to be sure -- <b>Would a vigged traitor be recruited instead of dying?</b>

[EFHW]

Just to be sure -- Would a vigged traitor be recruited instead of dying?

[faust]

Just to be sure -- <b>Would a vigged traitor be recruited instead of dying?</b>

Is this post a scumslip and a townslip at the same time?

There is no way for a Traitor to be recruited after game start, right?

[MiX]

I agree that town!ash would also be able to pinpoint 1 scum in 3 players. But scum!ash can also know both scum: if he's a traitor, for example.

Wait, the Traitor knows who the mafia are? Where did you obtain this information?

From the setup?

Just to be sure -- <b>Would a vigged traitor be recruited instead of dying?</b>

Is this post a scumslip and a townslip at the same time?

There is no way for a Traitor to be recruited after game start, right?

Hmm...I'm not sure about that. Why are traitors not properly defined...

Just to be sure -- <b>Would a vigged traitor be recruited instead of dying?</b>

If you read the QT faust posted, you'd know that this is a scumslip! Can I apply an 8-year-old scum QT as a scumtell playbook?

[faust]

I agree that town!ash would also be able to pinpoint 1 scum in 3 players. But scum!ash can also know both scum: if he's a traitor, for example.

Wait, the Traitor knows who the mafia are? Where did you obtain this information?

From the setup?

This is an acceptable answer. It should really have been clarified in the setup post for this game though.

[faust]

Can I be IC now?

[MiX]

Can I be IC now?

I'm giving you a day pass until I die, is that enough?

[jotheonah]

I agree that town!ash would also be able to pinpoint 1 scum in 3 players. But scum!ash can also know both scum: if he's a traitor, for example.

Wait, the Traitor knows who the mafia are? Where did you obtain this information?

It's in the "standard" definition of traitor on mafiascum so I've just been assuming it's true here.

Swowl, can you confirm that a traitor, if there is one, would know who their partners are?

[jotheonah]

Also I'm still waiting on someone to help me out on this.

Ok, what am I missing... we have a claim and a counterclaim and people don’t want to exile either of them? Am I on PUNK’D? Someone explain this to me using small words.