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[SpaceAnemone]

I'd like to see Swowl's response on willingness to replace Galz, though on balance I think unvoting till that happens isn't good, because as it stands now, at least we have a nice analysable wagon of people willing to push Galz, and that may or may not be useful later on as we get flips.

I agree that LL's iffy case on me and willingness to jump off the wagon doesn't actually look scummy particularly, though I'll be keeping my eye on them anyway. Maybe like 10% as much as I'm keeping my eye on faust, though.

I don't feel like I know mcmc quite well enough to feel EFHW's case really. The only person giving me scum vibes is MiX, and I think that's pretty NAI.

It would be good to hear more from Dylan and Raptor, since other than Galz I feel like they're the ones we're not hearing much from.

[MiX]

As much as I hate raptor's vote (and the Galz wagon (holy hell he's at X-1, why)), he's doing a perfectly good job as an IC, and I don't think he needs to say more. Dylan does though, is he even scumreading who he's voting for?

[Galzria]

Yikes. Time slips away.

Going to grab a coffee, then here until deadline today.

[Galzria]

Alright. Here we go.

Gonna go with more of a Mixian approach here - rapid fire responses to everything as I go - rather than my normal style of writing a book.

[Galzria]

The hijackers would be the ones in masks.

EFHW gets a day pass for this joke!

Can somebody point me to a time when faust (even jokingly) gave day passes in the past?

[Galzria]

MiX, why should I believe that you’re not scum this game?

Also, first.

Also, vote: Raptor for being IC. That’s no fun for me at all! (Note to those who don’t know: Twinclaim with Raptor).

Last time you asked this, you knew I wasn't scum and hammered me anyway. Does it matter what you believe in anymore?

vote: Raptor

lame

vote: galz

You’re lame.

But are you also lame?

Fun Fact: I have an excel sheet with every game I've ever asked you this, along with your response, tagged to your alignment for the game. It's more telling than you might think.

Oh, and I'm probably definitely lame.

[Galzria]

Galz can’t be super lame, yet, since he got the game to actually start.

Where did he do that?

This is a townie-ADK style follow up question.

[Galzria]

Galz can be sorta lame, voting the IC's boring, and he made an easy RVS target on himself.

Pfft - My case on the IC was perfect. Not my fault y'all didn't wanna join me! Had everybody joined me in lynching IC!Robz D1 last game we might have actually won...

[Galzria]

Let’s ignore all things Galzy and think about ADK instead. If I trusted them more, we’d win more often. I think my inability to trust him has cost us (me) at least three games. I have the same problem with EFHW, but I usually can get free of that before it’s too late. Not so much for the stabby pumpkin kitten.

This is an interesting approach from WCD. Not sure how I feel about it. It's really early in the game to be caring all that much about where people are turning their attention. Why so controlling so early?

[Galzria]

8 am classes?!! How are you surviving at all. I think of you as part vampire, kind of sleep deprived drunk at 3am. This sounds like a devastating schedule for you. But yes....almost over! Thank goodness semesters are not eternal.

Ohhhh....better ideas! Exciting! I’m here for it.

Let’s ignore all things Galzy and think about ADK instead. If I trusted them more, we’d win more often. I think my inability to trust him has cost us (me) at least three games. I have the same problem with EFHW, but I usually can get free of that before it’s too late. Not so much for the stabby pumpkin kitten.

ADK! How are you and how are things?

Don't worry, I haven't been awake at 3 am for a long time. That would not...be possible, lol.

I like that you're thinking about ADK, I was also interested by them, and wanted to say something relevant about them. Unfortunately, from their posts all I know is that they're still ADK. Which I suppose is good news, but nothing amazing.

Again, what's with the early desire to turn things to ADK?

[Galzria]

Robz hasn't ever been great at reads, imo. His best mafia talents are persuasion and subterfuge. He really excels there. Should I have said something? It seemed rude.

This would've been a great conversation for the other game's D1, but not this one. I still regret not having started it.

You could start a conversation about Raptor's reads instead!

This is the exact moving the game forward that faust does as scum, but it is very hard for people to call him scum for it, because it helps town and then you look anti-town for saying faust is scummy for doing something townie.  vote: faust

I've been historically pretty good at reading faust as a game progresses (but usually bad D1). Last game was somewhat an exception to this, where I read his play as very townie and he was scum... but even there I had him pegged as scum by PoE on VCA.

To your point, you're not entirely wrong. ADK questions in the next post if faust wouldn't also do this as town... and the answer isn't super clear. town!faust tends to be a little more aloof and does things his own way for his own reasons. Honestly it could come from scum or town faust.

[Galzria]

Let’s ignore all things Galzy and think about ADK instead. If I trusted them more, we’d win more often. I think my inability to trust the, has cost us (me) at least three games. I have the same problem with EFHW, but I usually can get free of that before it’s too late. Not so much for the stabby pumpkin kitten.

ADK! How are you and how are things?

I'm okay

Is there a reason you don't want to talk about galz? If anything given how lurky his games have been lately I think that trying to force some activity out of him would be a good thing

Oh, I wouldn’t say that I don’t want to talk about Galz ever, just that there isn’t much to say yet. But then again, we aren’t even 24 hours in, so that’s true for everyone, I guess

I like ADK calling WCD out for this and eliciting a response - one that basically admits the arbitrary nature of her initial post.

[Galzria]

Am I remembering correctly that gkrieg usually scumreads faust (when he isn't scumreading me and vice versa?)?

I would say the four people I'm best at reading is faust, Space, you, and LaLight.

Wanna make a deal? You don't scumread me this game, and I join you in being super-suspicious of faust.

This seems like such a non-logical approach, which seems extremely not!Space. Not sure if that makes them scummy or not. Not sure what would cause them to change up their approach.

[Galzria]

Am I remembering correctly that gkrieg usually scumreads faust (when he isn't scumreading me and vice versa?)?

I would say the four people I'm best at reading is faust, Space, you, and LaLight.

Wanna make a deal? You don't scumread me this game, and I join you in being super-suspicious of faust.

If you team up with gkrieg then I'll team up with ADK!

Bleh.

Not sure - but would put money on at least one of these being scum. I know there's a lot of tongue-in-cheek going on here, and it reads pretty facetiously to me, but both feel off nonetheless.

[Galzria]

vote: mcmc. I thought the faust vote was a little weird, too. You don't need a reason if it's RVS, and if it's not RVS, it's pretty early to be sheeping.

This is weird to me - Isn't early D1 sheeping exactly the BEST time to be sheeping for no reason? Reads aren't really established, you're just coming out of RVS, and wagons are good.

[Galzria]

Townread on mix, which means he's probably scum

I'm going to be looking for more detail on this read as I progress. But I don't like the hedgy-nature of this sort of post.

[Galzria]

It’s good to be able to actually do that again lol.

I hope that this is gonna be the catchphrase of 2021.

Damn faust, you're not wrong. Lots of +1's for you.

[Galzria]

Am I remembering correctly that gkrieg usually scumreads faust (when he isn't scumreading me and vice versa?)?

I would say the four people I'm best at reading is faust, Space, you, and LaLight.

Wanna make a deal? You don't scumread me this game, and I join you in being super-suspicious of faust.

Interesting deal: do you think faust deserves you being super-suspicious of them right now?

O, absolutely! I mean, you were actually there last game to see scum!faust being super-tricksy. I won't trust him as far as I could throw him this game, even if he does turn out to be really townie.

I guess weren't around in my rather dismal early f.ds mafia career where I got mislynched a lot of times, usually with gkrieg being an enthusiastic participant, but he and I have quite a long history, so it's nice to start this game out cordially :-)

Does faust's alignment last game have any direct impact on his alignment this game? Doesn't seem a bit... odd?... to be overly suspicious of him for no reason other than he was scum last game? I mean, what your suggesting is beyond meta. It seems you're saying isn't "He's scummy here because his play mirrors his play from last game where he was scum", but instead "He's scummy here because he was scum last game".

[Galzria]

vote: mcmc. I thought the faust vote was a little weird, too. You don't need a reason if it's RVS, and if it's not RVS, it's pretty early to be sheeping.

Never too early to sheep or to wagon build huzzah

Aren't you the only one on faust's wagon by now? Besides, I checked, and there was only 1 vote on faust when you voted.

Am I remembering correctly that gkrieg usually scumreads faust (when he isn't scumreading me and vice versa?)?

I would say the four people I'm best at reading is faust, Space, you, and LaLight.

Wanna make a deal? You don't scumread me this game, and I join you in being super-suspicious of faust.

Interesting deal: do you think faust deserves you being super-suspicious of them right now?

O, absolutely! I mean, you were actually there last game to see scum!faust being super-tricksy. I won't trust him as far as I could throw him this game, even if he does turn out to be really townie.

I guess weren't around in my rather dismal early f.ds mafia career where I got mislynched a lot of times, usually with gkrieg being an enthusiastic participant, but he and I have quite a long history, so it's nice to start this game out cordially :-)

Okay, but why? It feels like you said "yes" very enthusiastically but you didn't give a (good) reason. Is it just because faust is faust then, and nothing about this particular game?

Personally I think it's kinda futile to be suspicious of faust D1. You can keep him in your scumreads, but being suspicious of him isn't going to be very productive.

Howdy friends.... well, the good news is that I survived the wilderness. And looks like I didn’t miss much.

faust IS tricksy! What a perfect descriptor. But also gives me hope about the hopeful theme of 2021.

ADK, I said I was turning over a new leaf! Let’s coalition-build!

Wait why did you mention ADK all of the sudden?

as I understand it: you know what is considered townie. when you're town, you don't care, you scumhunt more than try to look town, when you're scum, you're trying to look town and make things most people consider town things. Another vivid examples of people doing exactly that are Awaclus and MiX

This is all well and nice textual analysis but it's all a bit pointless if gkrieg doesn't answer himself. I am not really interested in further discussing things gkrieg might have meant.

Isn't your own first response to this also pointless then? People like to do analysis, it's fun, even if useless.


This game is weird. Looking forward for mcmc to explain what he's doing this game, and for Galzria to actually vote people.

So much of this is spot on.

MiX gets the same call on Space that I did regarding faust. He also gets the same call on WCD for her odd affixation with ADK.

[Galzria]

Galz is probably town I guess. I should vote elsewhere...

Vote: gkrieg

So you're voting for me because you should just vote somewhere else?

It's actually a town!faust-y thing to do - not the unvoting me here, but the voting you (or anywhere) without reason. His votes (especially early) rarely have any real reason - all he's doing is sussing out reactions.

[Galzria]

Vote: Didds for not voting yet.

Also, Didds, I keep thinking of you every time I walk up to Port Meadow and it's flooded.. which it is pretty much all the time at the moment, and I go up there a couple of times a week on walks :-P

Not voting yet is so in character for town didds though

Is it? I'm not convinced by that argument. I would need to do some research.

[Galzria]

Thanks. Day 1 is hard, but I  hope we can be done with that topic for a little while now.

I have a question for faust. Did you purposely throw that game where we both town either to switch up or meta or to set the stage for misexiling the next time you were scum?

Ouch. A little harsh! I don't think any player here would ever intentionally throw a game. Even some of the more controversial plays that have been made (look at some of Ash's plays) have been made within the context of winning the game currently being played - even if they don't always feel like it!

[SpaceAnemone]

Does faust's alignment last game have any direct impact on his alignment this game? Doesn't seem a bit... odd?... to be overly suspicious of him for no reason other than he was scum last game? I mean, what your suggesting is beyond meta. It seems you're saying isn't "He's scummy here because his play mirrors his play from last game where he was scum", but instead "He's scummy here because he was scum last game".

You're making the same mistake I've already corrected others for, but my declaring that I'm going to be suspicious of faust is not the same as scumreading him. What I'm saying is essentially "for people who weren't in that last game (e.g. including folks like gkrieg), we've just had a great reminder of how townie scum!faust can look, so remember to read him very carefully". But saying I'm going to treat him with suspicion seemed shorter, and was also a nice way of saying a personal hello to gkrieg after quite a long time not playing with each other.

For reference, gkrieg is another of those players (like LL, faust and WCD) whom I've met in person and gotten on well with, which may explain some of the special treatment :-P

[Galzria]

Prod: Galz

I appreciate this. Also

Request prod on mcmc.

It's also been more than 48 hours.

I’m here, I’m reading. I don’t have many thoughts, been awhile and I’m a little rusty. Unvote as I actually think you are towny, I like your responses to some stuff so far. I could join a vote: space

Hmm, yeah, sure, this has even less explanation than your previous vote.

Who wants to vote mcmc with me?

I feel like I'm the only one who ever town reads Mcmc for being Mcmc. Like, I think he's a classically misread player. 90% of the time I'm reading him as town, he's receiving a ton of negative responses.

[Galzria]

Why is mcmc voting without a reason a problem but faust doing the same isn't?

faust is faust, mcmc is not faust, and mcmc's voting has been the most lazy of votings ever. There's 2 things that can explain this, but one of them is simply that he's scum.

Besides, faust's reason looks more like moving away from gkrieg, mcmc's more sheeping.

This is a strange way to read into those votes.

I'm reading through MiX's thoughts on Mcmc and I just feel like maybe MiX doesn't have the same history with Mcmc that I have. I think where he's giving faust a pass for certain play but criticizing Mcmc comes from a lack of familiarity.