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[scolapasta]

    c.   During the Night, only players on the Active Timeline will be allowed to take actions.
 

From the rules post. Seems pretty explicit to me. If this only applies to town, I'd say this is a bastard game.

I wouldn't put it that far, I can see the NK transcend time and space.

I was thinking it would transcend space and time, but y’all’s explanation makes way more sense.

I don't see why it would (transcend, that is). The rule Gloobie quoted is pretty clear on "all players".

[pingpongsam]

The idea that scum NK cannot cross the divide supports my theory that timelines converge when a faction is absent one.

[WestCoastDidds]

    c.   During the Night, only players on the Active Timeline will be allowed to take actions.
 

From the rules post. Seems pretty explicit to me. If this only applies to town, I'd say this is a bastard game.

I wouldn't put it that far, I can see the NK transcend time and space.

I was thinking it would transcend space and time, but y’all’s explanation makes way more sense.

I don't see why it would (transcend, that is). The rule Gloobie quoted is pretty clear on "all players".

I don’t have a why. I hadn’t thought about it, which is why I didn’t pick up the 2 scum in the FT until MiX said it and you explained it.

[ashersky]

Putting my thoughts down as mentioned, even though it may not be too relevant to today's discussions.  I guess Glooble is active, so there's that.

On Glooble:

--he and PPS have already discussed this, but Glooble's actions wrt joth are hard to ignore.  He was by far joth's biggest defender, even making the twin argument at one point.  I'd be interested in reading a study of twin play over time (Robz/Mcmc, glooble/joth, etc. in all games), actually.  Someone should do that.
--So, as Glooble says, was he just super way wrong town?  Or as PPS says, the boldest of bold mafia plays?  I see a few possibilities, in no particular order.

1. Planned, bold mafia play.  Decided early on that, for some reason (2-person team maybe?), there would be no bussing and they would be all in to defend each other at every turn.
2. Unplanned, bold mafia play.  Started off defending joth assuming since it was an ashersky situation, it wouldn't take much to change the subject, but then it kept going and going, and backing off would have looked even worse after a flip (true) so he just went all in.
3. Wrong town read.  Really just thought joth was town, was fooled, basically.
4. Unconscious bias against ashersky from previous interactions.  This could be a thing...Glooble and I have argued in the past, so it's hard to trust the next time.  Hopefully I've earned back some cred here.

I'm with PPS here in that Glooble's play is not necessarily bad or dumb mafia play.  There's plenty of upside if he's on joth's team.


Now, scola.

I actually think scola looks much, much worse.  He kept defending joth with a lot of "but what about me?  I did the same stuff" kind of arguments.  Their defense of joth was never about joth.  It wasn't like "joth did x" or even "joth seems towny to me" but was instead only focused on "if ash says joth is mafia for X, why am I not mafia too since I also did X?" 

Scola tried to discredit by case to relieve pressure on joth without actually defending joth himself, which means he can argue that he never really thought he was towny, etc. so that he doesn't look so bad when we know he's confirmed mafia.  That's textbook partner defense.

I don't see any other explanation for scola's actions.

[ashersky]

Also:

request prod: Galzria

I mean, if real life is busy, I get it.  But sub out at some point.  During his active timeline, he posted once?  He hasn't posted in our QT since during Day 1.

[EFHW]

Re Glooble, my guess is ash's #2. vote: Glooble.

[Swowl]

Vote Count 3.1:

PPS (1): Eddie
Eddie (1): hypercube
Not Voting (12): Awaclus, PPS, MiX, Glooble, EFHW, WCD, scolapasta, Galzria, Ashersky, Dylan32

With 6 alive on the ACTIVE TIMELINE, it takes 4 to Exile.
Day 3 ends Friday, May 28th at 1:05am Forum Time.

Today the active timeline is the REVERSE TIMELINE. We will remain in the REVERSE TIMELINE until the start of Day 2.
Only players from the currently active timeline may vote, or be voted for.

*Galzria has been prodded.
** MOD request/reminder - in my games please do you best to put "votes" in a separate line of text (not in the middle of a paragraph).

[Uncleeurope]

It seems possible I’m wrong but isn’t Hypercube voting for me?

[Uncleeurope]

Re Glooble, my guess is ash's #2. vote: Glooble.

I don’t think I like this post.

[Swowl]

It seems possible I’m wrong but isn’t Hypercube voting for me?

and that is why the same line request
Yes you are correct. Vote count corrected.

[Awaclus]

I've been busy lately, I'm going to catch up a bit later.

[hypercube]

Sorry everyone, I'm feeling pretty out of it from the COVID vaccine so I doubt I'll have too much to say today.

[WestCoastDidds]

Sorry everyone, I'm feeling pretty out of it from the COVID vaccine so I doubt I'll have too much to say today.

I hope you feel better soon. And hooray, vaccine!

[WestCoastDidds]

Re Glooble, my guess is ash's #2. vote: Glooble.

Yeah, if the twins are both scum, wouldn’t it be fun for them to just go for it and be completely bold and have an awesome time? I can 100% see that happening.

[EFHW]

Re Glooble, my guess is ash's #2. vote: Glooble.

Yeah, if the twins are both scum, wouldn’t it be fun for them to just go for it and be completely bold and have an awesome time? I can 100% see that happening.

That was #1 in ash's list. It's not a great plan, so I don't think they started with it.

[EFHW]

Re Glooble, my guess is ash's #2. vote: Glooble.

I don’t think I like this post.

Can you say what you mean?

[Uncleeurope]

Re Glooble, my guess is ash's #2. vote: Glooble.

I don’t think I like this post.

Can you say what you mean?

Ehhhh, feels odd.

[Uncleeurope]

Hey,  people, what’s the plan?

Glooble, you gunna reread me to see that I’m Town today?

MiX, are we killing PPS/Me today, or are you interested in others? And why am I the better kill?

PPS, who are you settling on for this kill?

Hypercube, who are your scum partners?

Awaclus... Um... Hi. How have you been? You been doing well? I feel like we never talk anymore and I’ve missed you.

We need to do some stuff today, and I would rather we pretend deadline is tomorrow than wait till deadline actually is tomorrow to do stuff.

MiX may or may not be freaking out that I made this post. I did it to mess with him.

It was fun.

Seriously, though, let’s get stuff done.

[MiX]

In terms of freaking me out, this doesn't really reach it.

I'm interested in either you or hyper. But I haven't reread yet. Exam week just ended and I'll probably get back to this game for real tonight.

[WestCoastDidds]

I haven’t freaked MiX out on a good long time, but I feel like I still have the ability within me.

[Uncleeurope]

In terms of freaking me out, this doesn't really reach it.

I'm interested in either you or hyper. But I haven't reread yet. Exam week just ended and I'll probably get back to this game for real tonight.

Fair, I guess what I meant when I said “freaked out  was:

“I’m going to make MiX scumread me”

[Uncleeurope]

In terms of freaking me out, this doesn't really reach it.

I'm interested in either you or hyper. But I haven't reread yet. Exam week just ended and I'll probably get back to this game for real tonight.

Fair, I guess what I meant when I said “freaked out” was:

“I’m going to make MiX scumread me”

I typed a space instead of a quotation mark in there and I had to fix it to help my sanity.

I’m good now.

[pingpongsam]

Hey,  people, what’s the plan?

PPS, who are you settling on for this kill?

I am waiting on an Awaclus weigh in as promised.

I am actually shocked there's no night action results being shared. I will share that the person I targeted should know that they were targeted and my role claim, if forced, is verifiable.

I was sorely disappointed in the ashersky weigh-in. I really thought I was going to see some real critique or additional angles to the timeline convergence and potential scum distribution concepts I laid out. I feel like he would play different if it were his active timeline though and I see that as kind of hamstringing everything in that getting overall reads is important but we don't tend to see full engagement from people in the outside timelines.

I would urge everyone to be equally invested in each timeline as much as possible if for no other reason than to give everyone else sufficient read information for their following days.

Anyhow, I don't see anyone thinking very far outside the 1v1 so my obvious pick is Eddie. While I definitely can pick up what Eddie is putting down about hyper I also agree with hyper's counter that it appears to be scum reaching for anything outside the 1v1 because POE nails him according to the prevailing scum loading theory. That said, he doesn't seem to be enagaging my pontifications about alternate scum loading which I think he would latch onto if the hyper counter is factual. So, after typing that thought train into something cohesive I may see a little more merit to a hyper case.

[Awaclus]

Awaclus... Um... Hi. How have you been? You been doing well? I feel like we never talk anymore and I’ve missed you.

It has been a bit hectic lately.

Anyway, I'm caught up now and I'm going to go read some more with a few things in mind.

[Awaclus]

Cool.

Anyway, we purposefully exiled a townie just to have access to a 1-shot ability, and spent the ability under the assumption that 2 returning NO would be the same as "scum confirmed off-wagon". That was a ridiculously strong commitment to this assumption. The only ways it's a good idea to start reconsidering the assumption are:

• We learn something so dramatic that the impact of knowing it is bigger than the impact of a purposefully exiled townie
• We conclude that, with only the information that we had at the time, we should have known not to guess 2

Since we evidently did guess 2, it looks like back when we only had the information that we had at the time, guessing 2 seemed like a good idea. And while the info we've learned from joth's flip + other things is certainly valuable, I don't think it's quite valuable enough to add up to purposefully wasting an exile to kill a townie.

So I'm going to stick with the assumption.

Vote: Eddie