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Trap kingdom?
« on: March 23, 2012, 10:56:39 pm »
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Adventurer, Crossroads, Feast, Fishing Village, Great Hall, Moneylender, Scheme, Throne Room, Village, and Workshop

This kingdom came up in the latest tournament. Are there any strategies here or is everything a trap (unless you get lucky buying golds)?
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Re: Trap kingdom?
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2012, 11:06:59 pm »
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Scheme/Moneylender maybe?  I dunno, this is a pretty weird set of cards.
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Re: Trap kingdom?
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2012, 11:32:43 pm »
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Maybe I've just been playing too much of the unofficial app, but Moneylender/Gold/Adventurer seems plausible.
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Re: Trap kingdom?
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2012, 12:42:48 am »
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You know what would be funny?

A Crossroads/Feast/Duchy deck powered by Workshopping for Feasts and Fishing Villages.

You know what would probably be better?

Something like Moneylender-BM

Idk, I don't see anything else, especially with no +Buy.
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Re: Trap kingdom?
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2012, 12:47:54 am »
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It's criminally sad when Fishing Village appears with no drawing cards. There isn't even an extra buy to make some sort of crazy Moneylender + Fishing Village + Adventurer combo worthwhile.

Probably Moneylender/Big Money. So sad.
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Re: Trap kingdom?
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2012, 12:53:57 am »
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Crossroads/Great Hall/Feast/Duke doesn't seem bad at all. Maybe even a Workshop or two in there.
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Re: Trap kingdom?
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2012, 01:01:25 am »
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http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-215833-27b550b0.html

One test game of Moneylender-BM to 4 Provinces.

4 Provinces 1 Duchy in 16 turns

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-215726-a0becece.html

One test game of Crossroads/Duchy/Workshop/whatever random stuff I felt like picking up.

4 Provinces 2 Duchies 2 Great Halls in 15 turns.

There's some nice luck in the 2nd log (TR-Crossroads with 4 victory cards in hand), so idk if this proves anything. But it's interesting!
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Re: Trap kingdom?
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2012, 01:39:46 pm »
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Isn't straight Moneylender-BM worse than BMU?
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Re: Trap kingdom?
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2012, 01:46:39 pm »
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Quote from: ycz6 on March 24, 2012, 01:39:46 pm
Isn't straight Moneylender-BM worse than BMU?

I'm pretty darn sure it's better.
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Re: Trap kingdom?
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2012, 02:03:47 pm »
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They're neck and neck 46-46 on whatever version of the simulator it is that I have, which has an optimized BMU bot and a computer generated single-Moneylender bot, which leads me to believe that with some optimization, Moneylender will win. Just.
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Re: Trap kingdom?
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2012, 02:08:08 pm »
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Quote from: ycz6 on March 24, 2012, 01:39:46 pm
Isn't straight Moneylender-BM worse than BMU?

No, Straight Moneylender-BM beats BMU roughly 50/41 (In Geronimoo's).

Also, I feel like going Moneylender/Silver into Scheme/Adventurer (with Fishing Village or maybe Crossroads support). With a little bit of luck (and a few tests) it was able to grab 4 Provinces by turn 12, although the average is a bit higher than that. Getting an early 6 coin hand with this set seems pretty significant.
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Re: Trap kingdom?
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2012, 03:30:29 pm »
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Well yes, moneylender+treasure beats pure treasure, great halls + treasure is better than estates + treasure, and you can even put them together. However is there anything that can be a called a significant strategy?
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Re: Trap kingdom?
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2012, 03:39:52 pm »
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Workshop to pick up some Crossroads and Great Halls behind an otherwise BM based strategy?
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Re: Trap kingdom?
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2012, 08:56:06 pm »
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Optimize play of this and I'm confident it beats BMU and probably BMU moneylender

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/24/game-20120324-175500-05617667.html
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Re: Trap kingdom?
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2012, 03:10:55 am »
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Quote from: Thisisnotasmile on March 24, 2012, 03:39:52 pm
Workshop to pick up some Crossroads and Great Halls behind an otherwise BM based strategy?

Instinctively something like this would be my view.
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Re: Trap kingdom?
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2012, 04:18:35 am »
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This would be a very good candidate for Ozle's Solo challenges. I'm sure with optimal play the Workshop-Crossroads deck is going to crush Big Money.
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Re: Trap kingdom?
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2012, 06:58:39 pm »
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Personally I'd probably open Moneylender/Silver, transitioning into Adventurer (with Schemes if the buys line up in midgame). I think the timing of when to buy the Adventurer is a bit tricky, but this style of deck is going to have an easy time consistently picking up Provinces in the late game.

I can see the appeal of Workshop/Great Hall/Crossroads, but it seems like a lot of work for a bunch of 1 point cards and doesn't build up any economy. I don't think it would beat Moneylender into Adventurer. Especially if your opponent isn't helping you end it on piles.
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Re: Trap kingdom?
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2012, 07:02:39 pm »
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Quote from: ycz6 on March 24, 2012, 01:39:46 pm
Isn't straight Moneylender-BM worse than BMU?

I think you're thinking Moneylender's more versatile standin, Spice Merchant, which I think has more engine potential, but less raw $s.
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