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[faust]

Never thought faust was skum.

makes me weary of my skum!faust read actually.

So umm.. which is it?

[EFHW]

also regardless of the outcome - super sorry to town I fucked up on the claim bit. we def should be in a way better spot now than we are.

What would you do differently re: claim?

[scolapasta]

OK - so as this day is going just nowhere near the way that I assumed it would - I am just gonna revert to normal.

Never thought faust was skum. OK, never is a stretch... but never thought faust was skum like today. I was hoping that skum would get antzy and jump the gun and try to vote for someone that was having some random shade cast on them. Didn't work, whatever.

Moving on.

It is Pasta.

Apologies for upcoming wall(s). Mainly wanna just make it clear this is not a random omgus case.

Not random omgus case, just one backed up with a lot of wrong.

(or misguided, if swowl is, in fact, Swown)

Interesting that scwowl drops this wall then immediately votes No exile, giving town little chance to discuss (and me no chance to respond, given that I already stated I'm off to the beach for the day). I know that in practice it doesn't really matter, but just feels anti town, for some reason.

OK, off now - have a good day, y'all.

[EFHW]

Vote Count 1.1
popsofctown (3): scolapasta, EFHW, SpaceAnemone
Swowl (3): LaLight/faust, Robz888, chairs
jotheonah (1): MiX
MiX (2): WestCoastDidds, jotheonah
LaLight (1): Dylan32
chairs (1): Galzria
Galzria (1): Swowl
Not Voting (1): popsofctown

- 100% certainty that there were at least 2 skum on the same wagon. So either Space/EFHW, Space/Pasta, or Robz/faust(LL).

I don't see how this assumption is 100% certain. In fact, if anything, I would expect scum to be spread out here.

[EFHW]

But when Dylan revealed, why then did scwowl make this fake claim? Frankly, I think it was a matter of desperation. The previous day they lost Robz and then space on N2. After having such a good start after D1, suddenly it was 7 town (1 IC) and 1 scum. With SW revealed, now it was two IC. Why not try this crazy gambit and if it worked be seen as an IC?? I can't remember which game it was, but there was one where Swowl was the last remaining scum and kept posting in the scum chat his thoughts - after recalling it, I realized that, actually, scwowl is fully capable of trying this.

This narrative and Swowl's narrative (that being 1/6 and having time to nk the IC's, scum didn't need to feel desperate) seem equally likely.

[EFHW]

Day 2:

Vote Count 2.1
Isis (1): MiX
MiX (2): Dylan32, SpaceAnemone
SpaceAnemone (2): Robz888, Isis
Robz888 (3): EFHW, chairs, scolapasta
chairs (1): Swowl
Not Voting (2): faust, Galzria

1. obv bussing was a conversation that was had. Robz is on Space, and at this point I have removed Faust from suspicion, so imo we know 100% that there was a skum bussing robz.

Again, we do not know this 100%. And if you thought this was good logic, why didn't you react when I suggested MiX could be scum because of his vote on Robz?

It's a problem that you are painting yourself green in these analyses.

[EFHW]

Start of D4 - scwowl immediately makes posts about how scum planned this from the beginning, by pointing out posts where Robz and space talk about the setup, even trying to use that as "evidence" against me. I've already refuted that, but right there, that shows the power of this tactic. It made me (and faust) later focus on the attack, and take for granted the claims that Robz and and space were purposefully being deceptive. Assume for a minute that they didn't plan it. Now reread what Robz and space wrote - would be perfectly normal setup talk. And there were others who also mentioned the number of points / roles and are now confirmed town.

6. There is literally... literally... no world where skum does not realize it. I will drop the argument of it being a gambit if it helps simplify it. But the fact that they "get the math wrong", means that a gambit had to be in play. Just think about how the conversation goes in a QT when they are choosing powers and shit... assuming they did not realize it like just on reading the set up and they only realized as it was happening.

Step 1 - Skum QT opens up, Skum is informed WHAT TOWN PRS EXIST and HOW MANY POINTS THEY HAVE. They literally know... right there... right then... how many they have.

Step 2 - They choose their roles.

Step 3 - Someone says like "oh weird we have a left over point... hardy har is this the best thing to do... shouldn't we spend it"

---ok cool... freeze there. Let's just assume... for you... that at that point they DIDN'T get all like "hey we can totally use that to our advantage". Cool cool cool cool. Fine. Whatever.

ROBZ/SPACE STILL DOESN'T FUCK UP THE MATH UNLESS IT IS ON PURPOSE! It wasn't like an advanced mathematical problem. They were told "you as skum have 9 points" then Robz opens the game assuming skum has 8. There is no world in existence where "it was normal set up talk". Regardless of whether they had a master plan set up or not, they 100% KNEW what they were saying was leading others into falsehood.

Right - if you are town, then scum knew they were leaving a point unused.

But if you are scum, none of this ever happened.

Hm... that would mean scum!you fakeclaimed Antman and town!scola came up with the incorrect theory that town had 9 points, inadvertently giving you a ton of towncred. Yeah, scum!you wouldn't force a 1:1 here. I think you may have cleared yourself!

[EFHW]

Quotefail:

Right - if you are town, then scum knew they were leaving a point unused.

But if you are scum, none of this ever happened.

Hm... that would mean scum!you fakeclaimed Antman and town!scola came up with the incorrect theory that town had 9 points, inadvertently giving you a ton of towncred. Yeah, scum!you wouldn't force a 1:1 here. I think you may have cleared yourself!

[EFHW]

unvote.

[Swowl]

Never thought faust was skum.

makes me weary of my skum!faust read actually.

So umm.. which is it?

OK - so as this day is going just nowhere near the way that I assumed it would - I am just gonna revert to normal.

Never thought faust was skum. OK, never is a stretch... but never thought faust was skum like today.

[Swowl]

also regardless of the outcome - super sorry to town I fucked up on the claim bit. we def should be in a way better spot now than we are.

What would you do differently re: claim?

Probably nothing since i don’t think i catch it.
If i has caught it obviously would of been far more inclined to believe Dylan.

[Swowl]

Day 2:

Vote Count 2.1
Isis (1): MiX
MiX (2): Dylan32, SpaceAnemone
SpaceAnemone (2): Robz888, Isis
Robz888 (3): EFHW, chairs, scolapasta
chairs (1): Swowl
Not Voting (2): faust, Galzria

1. obv bussing was a conversation that was had. Robz is on Space, and at this point I have removed Faust from suspicion, so imo we know 100% that there was a skum bussing robz.

Again, we do not know this 100%. And if you thought this was good logic, why didn't you react when I suggested MiX could be scum because of his vote on Robz?

It's a problem that you are painting yourself green in these analyses.

It’s not a problem bc it’s accurate.
Also, the point was to give the case and then flip. So i colored myself green for convienece.

Y’all can take all the time you want to discuss tomorrow. Or evidently today. I assumed i would wake up and the day would be locked.

[EFHW]

Did you keep reading?

[mail-mi]

Vote Count 5.FINAL

No Exile (3): faust, EFHW, Swowl
 
Not Voting (1): scolapasta

With 4 alive it took 3 to exile.

[mail-mi]

There were 4 avengers left and one Mysterio among them.

"Mysterio has to kill one of the rest of us, right?" faust said. "Might as well narrow down our options."

EFHW and Swowl agreed.

No one has been exiled.

Nght 5 begins now. Actions are due by 1:30AM FT on Monday, August 24th. Night 5 will end sometime between then and 1:30PM FT on the same day. You may vote for a shorter night in your QTs, but I can't guarantee that I'll be able to get on until after the action deadline has passed.

[mail-mi]

Once again, the Avengers awoke to a grueling sight.

Swowl has died! He was Ant-Man!

Only three remained, and Mysterio was hidden among them. Faust glared suspiciously at EFHW. Scolapasta stepped away from faust, scanning the floor warily for illusions. EFHW sighed and stared down her two once-friends.

It all came down to this.

Vote Count 6.0
 
Not Voting (3): faust, EFHW, scolapasta

With 3 alive it takes 2 to exile.

Day 6 starts now and ends at 12:30PM FT on Monday, August 31st. Thread unlocked!

[EFHW]

I decided too late for Swowl that he was town. I hope he saw it, though.

I know who I want to vote for. faust, what about you? scola, sorry, you're the one I want to vote for.

[EFHW]

vote: scola

[scolapasta]

vote: scola

why? There were so many holes in Swowl's case for me (some of which you pointed out). Though I was also wrong with my case against him. Like I said, one of the main reasons for my case is that I thought you and faust were both town, and I hadn't been looking at Swowl, so turned my attention to him through PoE. Clearly, I saw some things when nothing was really there.

So where are we now:
1. faust is scum and the game ends when he checks in.
2. you're scum and trying to get ahead of someone else voting first.
3. I'm scum. While not true, it's worth enumerating this, since you seem to coming from this.

If I were scum, why would swowl have been the NK last night?

[EFHW]

He was the nk because he was town and I had decided for myself that he was town. So scum would have a better chance with him out of the way since I said I thought he had cleared himself.. I have a strong townread on faust, so that leaves you. You've played a great game, but I am voting for you anyway.  If it's faust, then he played a really great game.

[EFHW]

If it's #1, then I'm sorry.

[scolapasta]

If it's #1, then I'm sorry.

My guess right now is it's not faust, but it is you. If you are in fact town, then we lose.

Unless you unvote to allow for discussion.

More to say, but dinner right now.

[scolapasta]

Yeah, I don't think town you would vote me and risk faust winning it.

[scolapasta]

My plan today would be to reread early days with a new filter of possible scum suspects and see if I find something (I did in the just ended west world, and it was effective).

(this is why I now think scum you over faust; the quick vote here is so anti town)

[EFHW]

Ok unvote for the sake of discussion.