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[Glooble]

I came here to make this thread, so I'm so happy to see someone else made it already.

[Glooble]

I have been thinking about this a lot. For me what its about is just making sure this community is welcoming to everyone. And when I think about my gamer friends who are black, I can't imagine myself inviting them to this community while that term is being used.

[Joseph2302]

Can someone explain why lynch is considered offensive? I see it as a reference to witch trials like Salem, which doesn't have any racial connotations. Maybe it means something racial in other countries

Lynching is a really problematic past in the US. Blacks people were regularly accused of crimes that they didn’t commit, or just not being deferent enough to the people who had power over them, rounded up and hanged. It was often like a neighborhood party, everyone watched, including children. Picnics below a swinging body. Then photographs were taken and circulated. And this was long, long ago....this was still happening in our recent past. There are some older folks who remember attending. It is a term profoundly wrapped up in an ugly, violent, murderous, racist history and to this day used as a threat, and felt as a threat in black communities. So, George Floyd, being kneeled on while others looked on....modern day lynching.

I am 1000x behind his change. Whenever I’m talking to my kids about what is happening in a game, I change the words. Voted them off the island is what I say, because they know Survivor. I’m okay with anything, though.

Regardless of whether or not we change collectively, I will.

Okay based on that, I support changing the terminology

[gkrieg13]

Also something to note is that many sites are changing their terminology including mafia Universe, which is probably the largest community.

[WestCoastDidds]

Also something to note is that many sites are changing their terminology including mafia Universe, which is probably the largest community.

What did they move to?

[Joseph2302]

Also something to note is that many sites are changing their terminology including mafia Universe, which is probably the largest community.

What did they move to?

Eliminate

[yuma]

Change is good. I am in favor

[A Drowned Kernel]

Change is good. I am in favor

[jotheonah]

I support this.

To me, the salient thing about whatever word replaces lynch is not only that it conveys elimination from the game, but that it is a distinct kind of elmination from the game as opposed to nightkills (which we often shorthand to kills). It needs to be a non-cumbersome verb that conveys the sense of "sentenced to death by majority vote". It's actually not important to me that the flavor be an extrajudicial killing because I've never thought of the town weapon as extrajudicial. The town is the jury, they decide democratically who to eliminate from the game.

I think something like convict/execute/exile would be fine. I worry about "eliminate" because it's not particularly distinct from the language we would use to talk about the nightkill.

I also feel bad for Jimmmmm who is just launching a site and has presumably paid for the domain name, etc. But I do think he needs to have this conversation too and should do it sooner rather than later, especially if he's hoping to build a community of his own on his site. I'd be happy to participate in a thread over there to help Jim brainstorm new names.

[jotheonah]

And I want to give kudos to EFHW for speaking up about this. It's not always easy to challenge a longstanding community norm.

[mail-mi]

I think I'm partial to exile myself. It's a nice, short replacement that also works for "No Exile" and "mail-mi has been exiled! He was a Vanilla Townie!" Convict is a little bit long and cumbersome ("no conviction") .

[Joseph2302]

I think I'm partial to exile myself. It's a nice, short replacement that also works for "No Exile" and "mail-mi has been exiled! He was a Vanilla Townie!" Convict is a little bit long and cumbersome ("no conviction") .

Convict definitely has bad connotations with British people being deported to the colonies (Australia), so think that may also cause an issue for some people

[WestCoastDidds]

I like eliminate/d. It’s different than kill, but as final

[EFHW]

Iced/on ice?

[EFHW]

Iced/on ice?

That might be more appropriate for the nk.

What does it mean that my phone knew I wanted to say nk after the the?

I'm open to tge term we choose. Should we do a poll?

[faust]

I was kind of nice that "lynch" worked as a verb as well as a noun, I think most of the other terms discussed don't do that. But it's a small price to pay.

I don't know that we need to come to some immediate consensus necessarily, people (including the mods) should be free to use whatever they think is most appropriate for a while, and maybe a new standard will form naturally.

[EFHW]

I was kind of nice that "lynch" worked as a verb as well as a noun, I think most of the other terms discussed don't do that. But it's a small price to pay.

I don't know that we need to come to some immediate consensus necessarily, people (including the mods) should be free to use whatever they think is most appropriate for a while, and maybe a new standard will form naturally.

That's a fine idea.

[scolapasta]

I was kind of nice that "lynch" worked as a verb as well as a noun, I think most of the other terms discussed don't do that. But it's a small price to pay.

Technically, "lynch" is not a noun, though it's been used that way in the game. Exile could actually work well as both.

[shraeye]

Yeah, exile (which I think I like, but the best suggestion is to test a few alternatives and see what we like) actually IS a noun and a verb.

But Dominion has taught me that everything is a verb. 

[faust]

Yeah, exile (which I think I like, but the best suggestion is to test a few alternatives and see what we like) actually IS a noun and a verb.

But Dominion has taught me that everything is a verb.

I guess my point was more that exile is a noun, but the relationship between exile (verb) and exile (noun) is different from lynch (verb) and lynch (use as noun here). It's strange to say "shraeye should be today's exile".

[WestCoastDidds]

Yeah, exile (which I think I like, but the best suggestion is to test a few alternatives and see what we like) actually IS a noun and a verb.

But Dominion has taught me that everything is a verb.

I guess my point was more that exile is a noun, but the relationship between exile (verb) and exile (noun) is different from lynch (verb) and lynch (use as noun here). It's strange to say "shraeye should be today's exile".

It will get less strange the more we use it. Shraeye should totally be today’s exile. Exile Shraeye! Shraeye is going to vote No Exile....let’s exile him for it!

[MiX]

Yeah, exile (which I think I like, but the best suggestion is to test a few alternatives and see what we like) actually IS a noun and a verb.

But Dominion has taught me that everything is a verb.

I guess my point was more that exile is a noun, but the relationship between exile (verb) and exile (noun) is different from lynch (verb) and lynch (use as noun here). It's strange to say "shraeye should be today's exile".

It will get less strange the more we use it. Shraeye should totally be today’s exile. Exile Shraeye! Shraeye is going to vote No Exile....let’s exile him for it!

It's fine if we misexile shraeye, he doesn't even want to push good exiles anyway, besides even if he's town we can win Eylo.

It works!

I am now in favor of change.

[MiX]

It's fine if we misexile shraeye, he doesn't even want to push good exiles anyway, besides even if he's town we can win Exlo.

EBWOP.

[WestCoastDidds]

Right?

ExLo
MexLo
Misexile
No Exile

LaLets LaEx LaLight
Vote: e is for exile
Dang....MisEx MiX again

[scolapasta]

Well, the 2nd noun definition of Exile does work:

Definition of exile
1a: the state or a period of forced absence from one's country or home
b: the state or a period of voluntary absence from one's country or home
2: a person who is in exile

I also like that it is now a Dominion Reserved Word, so it fits this forum. (alternatively we could vote to trash, as in "Let's trash scolapasta tonight." :p