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[Awaclus]

Sorry! I have been so busy working on my band's music which doesn't really sound like acid jazz that I haven't been able to post much lately.

[Joseph2302]

If I had a dollar for everyone who hadn't posted much, I'd  be.... slightly richer than I am right now

[Joseph2302]

Everybody who hasn't posted recently is going to get prodded if they don't post soon.

That's mean.

I'm fine with wcd. I think the best is vote: Galz though, their little interaction at the beginning with MiX reeks of scum partnership.

Seems a minor bit better than the Didds/chairs votes
Vote: Galz

# wagons # information # i know I'm putting spaces before the hashtags

[WestCoastDidds]

The threat of ruin rousing everyone from their stupor!

[EFHW]

This post will betray my biases, but what do people think of scolapasta?

[WestCoastDidds]

Well, his votes yesterday aren't terribly compelling but we know he was life-busy. So, let's pierce the skin and see how it goes....

vote: scolapasta

[scolapasta]

Alas, still life busy - though differently. After busy work, took this week off and am organizing apartment. Should fine some time, however.

To a certain degree, yeah my posts have been fluff. But I don't think I'm the only one.

I'm ok with a

vote: galz

And this time I checked the VC - L-2.

[chairs]

Vote: galzria

The majority of my earlier switch was to try to spur activity. It looks as thought that objective failed a bit, but not entirely, and I'm still pro Galz lynch.

[WestCoastDidds]

Ah, so Galz is at L-1?

Are we ready for the day to be over? Any chance he’s a mason? I’m not opposed to hammering him, but I don’t want it be come too soon if we aren’t done.

An auditor would know he hasn’t checked in for awhile.

[WestCoastDidds]

To a certain degree, yeah my posts have been fluff. But I don't think I'm the only one.

With patience and hard work, you too can own a fluffy reputation! The good news is that if it’s authentic to who you are, folks will begin to find it typical rather than scummy.

[Joseph2302]

Maybe we should let Galz claim? He could kneel before us and beg not to die

[Joseph2302]

Suddenly from nowhere we have a flurry of activity, and all against Galz. Interesting but is it optimal?

[Joseph2302]

I think I need time to chew this over

[mail-mi]

Ah, so Galz is at L-1?

Are we ready for the day to be over? Any chance he’s a mason? I’m not opposed to hammering him, but I don’t want it be come too soon if we aren’t done.

An auditor would know he hasn’t checked in for awhile.

We should at least let him claim first.

Suddenly from nowhere we have a flurry of activity, and all against Galz. Interesting but is it optimal?

I mean, if he's mafia, he doesn't have any partners to defend him right now, so I think it's NAI.

I think I need time to chew this over

I hope your consumption is delicious.

[WestCoastDidds]

EFHW, any thoughts on Galz?

Shoot, with 5/8 to eliminate, we need quite a bit of consensus

[EFHW]

I need to reread him.

[EFHW]

Now I"m going to get another warning 

I need more of an exhibition of his play, so I will reread him.

[WestCoastDidds]

Now I"m going to get another warning 

I need more of an exhibition of his play, so I will reread him.

Right? I’m a rule-follower so I hate when I forget. Kind of like seasonal allergies....just something to have to deal with.
 

[mail-mi]

Who else is in this game? I think I'm gonna make an execution bin.

1. Joseph2302
3. WestCoastDidds
4. mail-mi
5. Galzria
6. scolapasta
8. Awaclus
10. EFHW
11. chairs

Want to execute: Galzria
Willing to execute: WCD, EFHW, maybe scola?
Would vote if necessary, but I think they're probably town: Joseph, chairs, Awaclus,
Town: me

There's 3 more scum out there, and 2 masons (probably) and then 3 VTs. Yeah, pretty happy with these execution bins.

[EFHW]

Scumslip by MiX (if he had been town he wouldn't have known for sure he wasn't a mason) -- what would have been dark innuendo Yesterday (by me) now shines brightly in the light of his flip. Not superhelpful, but interesting.

фnd if Masons claim it can undermine scum's plans.

Also maybe one mason should claim, so scum will WIFOM each other into killing them or not killing them. Sounds amazing.

I'm a Mason.

Well this sounds correct. I'm not a mason given we just had this conversation now and not at night.

[Galzria]

Apologies - between the busy weekend (with Father's Day) and the overall, shall we say "flavor" of this game, I kinda lost it there. Getting back into it.

For so many reasons, the votes against me (well, the case being made anyway) is really, really bad.

The case is that I am partners with MiX, and that we staged the whole D1 thing.

As I've already pointed out, this is why it doesn't work:

A) With a 2-Man scum team, this is just bad tactics D1. It draws far too much attention to both players.
B) In a Multi-ball setup, it's basically begging the opposing team to shoot us at Night. It's bad, dumb scum play. Like, really bad.

And while I hadn't mentioned it before (because I hadn't really thought of it before), in conjunction with B) above - Assume that MiX and I were scum together, and we decided to stage this big ol' thing D1 just to push for a random player (in this case, Swan) to get lynched. We've now set ourselves up for the opposing faction to go "Well, yeah, let's shoot between MiX/Galz" ... Why on earth would we EVER choose to shoot LaLight, the claimed Mason, instead of trying to find/hit/shoot one of the other scum team?

Team A: {MiX, ??} -> Shoots LaLight
Team B: {??, ??} -> Shoots MiX

The LaLight kill was already a bad choice for MiX's team. But the only way it really makes sense is if his team thought that Team B would shoot me first instead of MiX. And that doesn't work if MiX and I are scum together.

The whole argument is just bad - because it's suggesting that essentially from the get go... MiX and I have been playing to lose at every point in time.

[Galzria]

A dead MiX is always a good thing in Mafia, as far as I'm concerned, but then he and I don't have much chemistry.

Too bad we didn't see scum pop each other, but this is still a decent N1 result for us, better than two dead masons at least.

I'm going to try to get time to reread D1 but I have a note I left myself about Galz being kinda scummy, so until I have time to digest how this new info changes things I think I'll vote: Galzria

If you want MiX's partner, this post reeks of it.

If you want the OTHER scum team, I would start with Didds or Awaclus (though definitely not both - and I lean towards Awaclus).

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Look, I'm not trying to strike a super sympathetic case here. I'm not going to claim, as that would be anti-town - and like I stated before, I'm happy having gotten MiX killed N1. Y'all are welcome for that. But the argument being suggested as to MiX and I being scum together is just plain lazy and bad - and you should all feel bad. In any world where I actually WAS scum, I would be scum with the other team, not MiX. However, I'm town, so /shrug

[scolapasta]

Team A: {MiX, ??} -> Shoots LaLight
Team B: {??, ??} -> Shoots MiX

The LaLight kill was already a bad choice for MiX's team. But the only way it really makes sense is if his team thought that Team B would shoot me first instead of MiX. And that doesn't work if MiX and I are scum together.

I don't understand this part. Could you elaborate?

Though having galz at L-1 makes me restless.

unvote

[Galzria]

Team A: {MiX, ??} -> Shoots LaLight
Team B: {??, ??} -> Shoots MiX

The LaLight kill was already a bad choice for MiX's team. But the only way it really makes sense is if his team thought that Team B would shoot me first instead of MiX. And that doesn't work if MiX and I are scum together.

I don't understand this part. Could you elaborate?

Though having galz at L-1 makes me restless.

unvote

The first part:

It's clear MiX's team didn't kill MiX. So MiX's team killed LaLight, and the other team killed MiX.

If I were MiX's partner, and the two of us went "Well, one of is for sure getting shot tonight by the other team" (Which, I think, even without being scum-mates was a reasonable assumption in general - as so many people are buying into the {MiX, Galz} theory), then there is absolutely no real way we would've chosen to shoot a claimed Mason instead of trying to find/shoot one of the other scum team.

Given that we know MiX's team shot LaLight (which I would argue was a mistake), I think the only realistic reason for them to make that choice is that they assumed I would get shot instead of MiX. In a world where I'm shot by the other Team instead of MiX, then there is some amount of sense in them shooting a claimed Mason here instead of trying to find/shoot the other scum team.

[EFHW]

I know it's hunting season (scum-hunting, that is) but why would the scumteam!Galz/MiX assume one of them would be identified as scum by the other scum team? Maybe MiX was killed for being towny, like LL was. I'm not sure if I agree with Galz that the correct strategy for scum here is to try to catch the other team. Town is trying to do that already, and they definitely won't be killing the IC. A confident scumteam might hope to catch the other scum with nixings while avoiding getting nixed themselves.