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Re: Is Harvest the New Scout?
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2020, 03:50:49 pm »
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You're unlocking Fortune for the opponent too, without him needing to buy Gladiator. At best you're getting Fortune half a turn earlier than him (plus a free Gold), after having "wasted" a buy on a card (that you don't need itself) at least four shuffles before.
In the majority of cases, whether or not fortune is good should have zero influence on your decision of whether or not to buy gladiator.
On the contrary. Whether you want that Gold and that Fortune or not (and the related tempo issue, i.e. you getting a Gladiator will speed up the availability) is one of the most important strategic decision in the respective Kingdom. If you do not think hard about it before T1 you will likely screw up. If you myopically only see the conditional terminal Gold you will definitely screw up.
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Re: Is Harvest the New Scout?
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2020, 03:53:42 pm »
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If your strategy needs Fortune more than your opponent does it can absolutely make sense to buy Gladiator. If he is going for a big money one province per turn strategy and you are building an engine to grab the whole pile, a fortune is far more valuable to you than it is to him.

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Yeah, plus there is a typical misevaluation arising that is due to lots of folks here only playing 2P games online. In 3P, that Fortune will arrive earlier and you can easily miss getting a Gladiator (which, partly to the Gold, is nearly alway essential payload that has to accompany Fortune to make it work well).
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Re: Is Harvest the New Scout?
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2020, 04:35:13 pm »
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You're unlocking Fortune for the opponent too, without him needing to buy Gladiator. At best you're getting Fortune half a turn earlier than him (plus a free Gold), after having "wasted" a buy on a card (that you don't need itself) at least four shuffles before.
In the majority of cases, whether or not fortune is good should have zero influence on your decision of whether or not to buy gladiator.
On the contrary. Whether you want that Gold and that Fortune or not (and the related tempo issue, i.e. you getting a Gladiator will speed up the availability) is one of the most important strategic decision in the respective Kingdom. If you do not think hard about it before T1 you will likely screw up. If you myopically only see the conditional terminal Gold you will definitely screw up.

I may think about how fortune influences the game if someone buys gladiator (mb go provinces later), but it doesn't influence my decision about whether or not to buy gladiator.

If this model were true, what it would imply is that you should always buy gladiator after your opponent, since having it early doesn't help at all (neither gets you more gold nor gets you fortune faster). Then, since both know that, again no-one should buy it in the first place.

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Re: Is Harvest the New Scout?
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2020, 11:42:00 pm »
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With respect to gladiator and fortune, the big reason why buying the gladiator is good is that it can trash the last gladiator revealing fortune on your turn. This makes much easier to be the first player to get access to fortune, and often the first player to play fortune wins because the game becomes so fast at that point with doubled coins.

It is still definitely important that you are happy having a terminal gold in your deck; the fortune thing doesn't make gladiator worth it if you didn't want a terminal gold in the first place.

Buying gladiator to reveal fortune is also reasonable in non-mirror matches where only one player's deck really wants a fortune.
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