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[sudgy]

Ok this is happening really fast and I need to go right now, and I don't want to leave my vote somewhere without thinking this through. I'll be back tomorrow. Seems like the best plan is to lynch joth today, so he can't steal the third piece from Joseph tonight. Then Joseph can start graverobbing him to get additional pieces and win and leave the game. Then we lynch mail-mi tomorrow.

I'll think about it some more and I'll be back tomorrow night.

Meanwhile, Joseph should unvote me asap please.

Ppe

Actually, that makes sense.  Vote: Joth.

[skip wooznum]

@eevee, can you walk us through your decisions on whom to investigate each night, please?

K now I really have to go.

[Eevee]

N1 Galzria big player, usually good to have info on him. Turned out not so this particular game
N2 Joth there was a lot of discussion around him and the owl
N3 Joseph thought it was just him needing the owl, so it seemed like relevant information. also i had decided i want to play for town so checking how truthful joseph is about the owl seemed prudent.

[sudgy]

So, here's a theory: what if when someone wins with the owl, they can also give all of the owl pieces?  Then scum can just keep giving each other the owl pieces, and they win.

[sudgy]

So, here's a theory: what if when someone wins with the owl, they can also give all of the owl pieces?  Then scum can just keep giving each other the owl pieces, and they win.

No wait, that would be weird, because then everyone would win and they could just claim it and get the owl pieces.  Never mind.

[scolapasta]

I'll likely vote joth, but want to reread first. If joth is scum, does that make faust suspicious too? joth gave him codebook and notebook (via Mix) and then faust says what joth says is true.

I'm thinking scum could be joth, faust, and skip.

I prefer skip to mail-mil because mail-mi claimed a sailor role with details first, then skip said "me too". If mail-mi were lying what are the chances he guessed exactly skip's role. Though I guess the role could be the same, just different factions.

OK, so I'll need to think which of those two.

[A Drowned Kernel]

vote: joth that's L-1 baby!

[scolapasta]

Also, I'll want to reread, but let's say joth is theif, which seems possible). If he stole rope N1, how could he give both that to scum sailor and a 2nd item to mix? (do I remember correctly, that he gave mix one of the codebook / notebook - I'm pretty sure he did)

[scolapasta]

fyi, intent to hammer, after I reread, which will happen some time later tonight after finish watching Upload episode 2.

[scolapasta]

Someone can feel free to hammer if they want before I get to it, of course.

[A Drowned Kernel]

vote: joth that's L-1 baby!

This is not actually L-1, I missed that skip unvoted

[scolapasta]

Also, I'll want to reread, but let's say joth is theif, which seems possible). If he stole rope N1, how could he give both that to scum sailor and a 2nd item to mix? (do I remember correctly, that he gave mix one of the codebook / notebook - I'm pretty sure he did)

Oh wait, maybe we're saying joth stole owl piece, and other scum stole rope. (both were stolen N1? like I said I need to reread; am completely typing stream of conscious without verifying my fact)

OK, really going off to watch show now - just wanted this one more post as I realize some my assertions could be wrong and so you know that I haven't actually yet reread before typing any of this - apologies for the noise.

[sudgy]

Even though I definitely think joth is scum, let's at least wait for him to show up.  In the 0.6283% chance that he ends up town, he might have useful things to say.

[sudgy]

Also, I'll want to reread, but let's say joth is theif, which seems possible). If he stole rope N1, how could he give both that to scum sailor and a 2nd item to mix? (do I remember correctly, that he gave mix one of the codebook / notebook - I'm pretty sure he did)

Oh wait, maybe we're saying joth stole owl piece, and other scum stole rope. (both were stolen N1? like I said I need to reread; am completely typing stream of conscious without verifying my fact)

The owl wings were stolen N2, not N1.  So N1 he stole the rope, N2 he stole the wings, N3 he stole either the torso or the head (not sure which).

[Joseph2302]

Also, I'll want to reread, but let's say joth is theif, which seems possible). If he stole rope N1, how could he give both that to scum sailor and a 2nd item to mix? (do I remember correctly, that he gave mix one of the codebook / notebook - I'm pretty sure he did)

Oh wait, maybe we're saying joth stole owl piece, and other scum stole rope. (both were stolen N1? like I said I need to reread; am completely typing stream of conscious without verifying my fact)

The owl wings were stolen N2, not N1.  So N1 he stole the rope, N2 he stole the wings, N3 he stole either the torso or the head (not sure which).

Head (for what it matters)

[Joseph2302]

Vote: joth
He's scum and he's been stealing my owl pieces. And I want them back

[Joseph2302]

That's probably L1 apparently

[Joseph2302]

Ok this is happening really fast and I need to go right now, and I don't want to leave my vote somewhere without thinking this through. I'll be back tomorrow. Seems like the best plan is to lynch joth today, so he can't steal the third piece from Joseph tonight. Then Joseph can start graverobbing him to get additional pieces and win and leave the game. Then we lynch mail-mi tomorrow.

I'll think about it some more and I'll be back tomorrow night.

Meanwhile, Joseph should unvote me asap please.

Ppe

Actually, that makes sense.  Vote: Joth.

Agree with this.

[scolapasta]

OK, can someone unvote? We definitely need to hear from joth before lynching.

It doesn't work for him to have stolen the rope N1. Because on N2 de definitely gave the codebook to MiX on N2. He couldn't have also given the rope to a scum sailor.

[scolapasta]

I'd also like us to question eevee a little more.

Can you explain this sentence more clearly:

N2 investigated Joth, found out he had the torso and know has the wings

I get the type is "now" instead of "know", but am still unclear. Are you saying you investigated joth N2 and were told he had told he had two pieces, the torso and the wings? I'm trying to understand why the "now" at all, were you told he had just acquired that piece, then? (i.e. he had torso N1, then acquired (presumable via stealing) the wings N2)?

[scolapasta]

Once eevee confirms he had both pieces when he investigated N2, I think it will be safe to lynch joth (and will throw the hammer). But I'd really like to confirm we're understanding that key sentence correctly before we do.

So an unvote now, until we get this clarification would go a long way.

[mail-mi]

I have a couple of thoughts, but I don't think joth is quite as scum as everyone is saying. I'm not going to say them out loud because if he is scum I don't want to give him any fakeclaim ideas.

Meanwhile, to me, skip is 100% scum at this point, we should have lynched him d1.

[sudgy]

Unvote, at least until joth chimes in, but boy do I want to lynch him.

Anyway, first off, I fully trust Eevee.  I'll eat my hat if Eevee is not what he says he is, I believe him so much.  That said, I interpreted what Eevee said as "Joth had the torso at the start of the night and received the wings by the end of the night."

Also,

It doesn't work for him to have stolen the rope N1. Because on N2 de definitely gave the codebook to MiX on N2. He couldn't have also given the rope to a scum sailor.

He didn't give the codebook to MiX on N2.  He said he gave the notebook to someone, but I could never figure out who.

[scolapasta]

I have a couple of thoughts, but I don't think joth is quite as scum as everyone is saying. I'm not going to say them out loud because if he is scum I don't want to give him any fakeclaim ideas.

Meanwhile, to me, skip is 100% scum at this point, we should have lynched him d1.

I've tried for a skip vote every day, man.

[mail-mi]

I have a couple of thoughts, but I don't think joth is quite as scum as everyone is saying. I'm not going to say them out loud because if he is scum I don't want to give him any fakeclaim ideas.

Meanwhile, to me, skip is 100% scum at this point, we should have lynched him d1.

I've tried for a skip vote every day, man.

I think you're gonna be right. I was townreading him before, but now, i mean, someone stole the rope from eevee. Probably one of skip's scummates.