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[faust]

vote: MiX

I do think the 15/5 mixup is enough for me to vote.

I could easily see that if all scum order powers cost 15 for Mix to erroneously assume that all order powers are 15.

There is an alternative, that he correctly made this assumption and that those claiming there's are 5 are both lying, in order to frame MiX, but that seems significantly less likely.

No this is bad. You say "all scum order powers cost 15" but it could be the same if all order powers for MiX's own order cost 15, and the latter is signficantly more likely than the former, and NAI.

[mail-mi]

A strong voice booms from the sky. It seems like the voice of the Almighty himself.

Glooble is a Child of Honor. I cannot help you more. I am sorry.

mail-mi looks toward Glooble. "Well," he said, "looks like he's one I can trust."

Vote Count 1.6

chairs (1): WestCoastDidds
GreatHallScout (1): Rhand
scolapasta (1): Uncleeurope
faust (1): Galzria
hypercube (1): MiX,
Uncleeurope (3): chairs, cayvie, LaLight
MiX (4): Dylan32, EFHW, jotheonah, scolapasta
Rhand (1): faust
WestCoastDidds (1): hypercube

Not Voting (4): GreatHallScout, Jimmmmm, Swowl, Glooble

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

Day 1 ends at 3:00pm FT on June 12, 2020.

[faust]

So, Glooble: Do you think we can use Eddie to relay information to you? Or is that too dangerous?

[Glooble]

So, Glooble: Do you think we can use Eddie to relay information to you? Or is that too dangerous?

I'm pretty sure we can trust him to do that. I need to ask the mods a question in my QT which might make me more sure.

[scolapasta]

vote: MiX

I do think the 15/5 mixup is enough for me to vote.

I could easily see that if all scum order powers cost 15 for Mix to erroneously assume that all order powers are 15.

There is an alternative, that he correctly made this assumption and that those claiming there's are 5 are both lying, in order to frame MiX, but that seems significantly less likely.

No this is bad. You say "all scum order powers cost 15" but it could be the same if all order powers for MiX's own order cost 15, and the latter is signficantly more likely than the former, and NAI.

How would MiX know what the powers in his own order cost?

[scolapasta]

So, Glooble: Do you think we can use Eddie to relay information to you? Or is that too dangerous?

This. ^ If we decide we can trust Eddie, then these QTs of his are now very useful. Unless there's a catch (what if they're only D1, for example, which could be why he's been trying to ping so many).

[MiX]

So, Glooble: Do you think we can use Eddie to relay information to you? Or is that too dangerous?

I'm pretty sure we can trust him to do that. I need to ask the mods a question in my QT which might make me more sure.

Does he claim to be town-aligned now?

[faust]

vote: MiX

I do think the 15/5 mixup is enough for me to vote.

I could easily see that if all scum order powers cost 15 for Mix to erroneously assume that all order powers are 15.

There is an alternative, that he correctly made this assumption and that those claiming there's are 5 are both lying, in order to frame MiX, but that seems significantly less likely.

No this is bad. You say "all scum order powers cost 15" but it could be the same if all order powers for MiX's own order cost 15, and the latter is signficantly more likely than the former, and NAI.

How would MiX know what the powers in his own order cost?

...by reading his role PM?

[faust]

So, Glooble: Do you think we can use Eddie to relay information to you? Or is that too dangerous?

I'm pretty sure we can trust him to do that. I need to ask the mods a question in my QT which might make me more sure.

So we should all claim to Eddie, who then gives these claims to you, and we can solve the game?

[faust]

Either this game is fundamentally broken, or there is something we're missing about Eddie's role.

[Glooble]

Never mind, I don't think the mods can help me here.

Ok, so the setup post says all town and mafia aligned players are Knights Radiant, right? Only faust and cayvie have confirmed the Knights Radiant can have additional powers beyond what their order gives them. Which means the fact that Eddie's powers are not connected to an order doesn't automatically make him not mafia.

His QT power obviously is confirmed. He has mentioned another power which can be confirmed after the first highstorm. It doesn't necessarily seem unbalanced for scum to have a player with this power suite, it just seems like really weird game design.

I'm inclined to say we can trust him to deliver messages. I'm just scared of tanking the whole town if I'm wrong.

PPE:

So, Glooble: Do you think we can use Eddie to relay information to you? Or is that too dangerous?

I'm pretty sure we can trust him to do that. I need to ask the mods a question in my QT which might make me more sure.

So we should all claim to Eddie, who then gives these claims to you, and we can solve the game?

How does that solve us the game? From the setup post:

As a last note, not every Order is guaranteed to be in the game. There may be 1 Edgedancer and 1 Skybreaker, or 4 Edgedancers and no Skybreakers.

So what does my knowing everyone's order tell us?

[scolapasta]

vote: MiX

I do think the 15/5 mixup is enough for me to vote.

I could easily see that if all scum order powers cost 15 for Mix to erroneously assume that all order powers are 15.

There is an alternative, that he correctly made this assumption and that those claiming there's are 5 are both lying, in order to frame MiX, but that seems significantly less likely.

No this is bad. You say "all scum order powers cost 15" but it could be the same if all order powers for MiX's own order cost 15, and the latter is signficantly more likely than the former, and NAI.

How would MiX know what the powers in his own order cost?

...by reading his role PM?

Sorry, confused house and order here and thought you meant that he would lnow powers from others in his house.

But I still don't get your point. Each order has access to 1 RP. So not sure what you mean by "all order powers".

[faust]

vote: MiX

I do think the 15/5 mixup is enough for me to vote.

I could easily see that if all scum order powers cost 15 for Mix to erroneously assume that all order powers are 15.

There is an alternative, that he correctly made this assumption and that those claiming there's are 5 are both lying, in order to frame MiX, but that seems significantly less likely.

No this is bad. You say "all scum order powers cost 15" but it could be the same if all order powers for MiX's own order cost 15, and the latter is signficantly more likely than the former, and NAI.

How would MiX know what the powers in his own order cost?

...by reading his role PM?

Sorry, confused house and order here and thought you meant that he would lnow powers from others in his house.

But I still don't get your point. Each order has access to 1 RP. So not sure what you mean by "all order powers".

Each order has access to 2 Surges, with 2 powers each, plus a special power, equaling 5 powers.

[faust]

As a last note, not every Order is guaranteed to be in the game. There may be 1 Edgedancer and 1 Skybreaker, or 4 Edgedancers and no Skybreakers.

So what does my knowing everyone's order tell us?

I mean, you can send back Night action orders for everyone, and whoever is noticed working against those will be lynched. We also nail down scum's fakeclaims early on. It seems extremely powerful.

[faust]

Ok, so the setup post says all town and mafia aligned players are Knights Radiant, right? Only faust and cayvie have confirmed the Knights Radiant can have additional powers beyond what their order gives them. Which means the fact that Eddie's powers are not connected to an order doesn't automatically make him not mafia.

I've only read the first book so far, but from a flavor perspective it seems fairly unlikely that Eddie would be a Knight Radiant.

[scolapasta]

vote: MiX

I do think the 15/5 mixup is enough for me to vote.

I could easily see that if all scum order powers cost 15 for Mix to erroneously assume that all order powers are 15.

There is an alternative, that he correctly made this assumption and that those claiming there's are 5 are both lying, in order to frame MiX, but that seems significantly less likely.

No this is bad. You say "all scum order powers cost 15" but it could be the same if all order powers for MiX's own order cost 15, and the latter is signficantly more likely than the former, and NAI.

How would MiX know what the powers in his own order cost?

...by reading his role PM?

Sorry, confused house and order here and thought you meant that he would lnow powers from others in his house.

But I still don't get your point. Each order has access to 1 RP. So not sure what you mean by "all order powers".

Each order has access to 2 Surges, with 2 powers each, plus a special power, equaling 5 powers.

OK, I have been referring to the order special (non surge) powers.

Particularly, because there is no order for which all 5 powers cost 15.  So one can't make the assumption that all powers cost 15 based on just one's own powers.

[Rhand]

Even so, I think I'm onto something here. Sometimes if it walks and talks and smells like a duck, it's a duck. MiX is posting like a person who's working with a different info set than the rest of us.

If MiX would work from tmi, then that would mean all mafia extra order abilities cost 15 or more. The dustbringer one is 5. Mine is 5. I can’t believe mafia doesn’t have a cheap one.

@faust: Why exactly are you still voting me at this point?

It's because I think you're scum. Why shouldn't I be voting for you?

Because you were voting me over a misunderstanding and now you’re parroting me. I have no clue why you would think I am scum.

[faust]

Even so, I think I'm onto something here. Sometimes if it walks and talks and smells like a duck, it's a duck. MiX is posting like a person who's working with a different info set than the rest of us.

If MiX would work from tmi, then that would mean all mafia extra order abilities cost 15 or more. The dustbringer one is 5. Mine is 5. I can’t believe mafia doesn’t have a cheap one.

@faust: Why exactly are you still voting me at this point?

It's because I think you're scum. Why shouldn't I be voting for you?

Because you were voting me over a misunderstanding and now you’re parroting me. I have no clue why you would think I am scum.

Your case for being town seems to rest entirely on actions I took. Not a particularly strong defense.

[Rhand]

Even so, I think I'm onto something here. Sometimes if it walks and talks and smells like a duck, it's a duck. MiX is posting like a person who's working with a different info set than the rest of us.

If MiX would work from tmi, then that would mean all mafia extra order abilities cost 15 or more. The dustbringer one is 5. Mine is 5. I can’t believe mafia doesn’t have a cheap one.

@faust: Why exactly are you still voting me at this point?

It's because I think you're scum. Why shouldn't I be voting for you?

Because you were voting me over a misunderstanding and now you’re parroting me. I have no clue why you would think I am scum.

Your case for being town seems to rest entirely on actions I took. Not a particularly strong defense.

I can’t defend myself vs nothing :shrug:

[Greathallscout]

Sorry about my inactivity- mixture of moving to a new house and bad internet. I think i will focus now on eddie's qt ability and faust's extra powers versus other's claims. I feel like I missed something as I just skimmed regarding both of those.

[cayvie]

So, Glooble: Do you think we can use Eddie to relay information to you? Or is that too dangerous?

I'm pretty sure we can trust him to do that. I need to ask the mods a question in my QT which might make me more sure.

So we should all claim to Eddie, who then gives these claims to you, and we can solve the game?

How is this different from us just all agreeing to full claim in the thread?

[jotheonah]

Toldya Glooble was town.

[Glooble]

So, Glooble: Do you think we can use Eddie to relay information to you? Or is that too dangerous?

I'm pretty sure we can trust him to do that. I need to ask the mods a question in my QT which might make me more sure.

So we should all claim to Eddie, who then gives these claims to you, and we can solve the game?

How is this different from us just all agreeing to full claim in the thread?

Im confirmed town and Eddie is at least confirmed not mafia. There’s a lot I could do knowing everyone’s roles and being able to dm any of them. But there’s a lot scum could do to screw it up.

[scolapasta]

Are there any restrictions to eddie's neighborhood creation? do they cost stormlight?

[faust]

So, Glooble: Do you think we can use Eddie to relay information to you? Or is that too dangerous?

I'm pretty sure we can trust him to do that. I need to ask the mods a question in my QT which might make me more sure.

So we should all claim to Eddie, who then gives these claims to you, and we can solve the game?

How is this different from us just all agreeing to full claim in the thread?

Scum does not have any information.