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[Rhand]

True. And mafia would have not used stormlight on that.

I do think the draining of a scumread is useful though?

[MiX]

True. And mafia would have not used stormlight on that.

I do think the draining of a scumread is useful though?

Draining's free, so that's not a problem.

[hypercube]

I think the way Dylan claimed is towny; with that said I think making people claim Dustbringer or not was (and still is) a good plan given that the threat a scum Dustbringer poses is pretty large. If a scum Dustbringer exists we should make them either start lying now or be accountable for their actions.

[MiX]

I think the way Dylan claimed is towny; with that said I think making people claim Dustbringer or not was (and still is) a good plan given that the threat a scum Dustbringer poses is pretty large. If a scum Dustbringer exists we should make them either start lying now or be accountable for their actions.

It was a terrible plan because town just spent a bunch of stormlight. Although I highly doubt Dylan gave away the opportunity to vig shot just to confirm himself as Dustbringer so I suppose it didn't matter.

As far as faust plans go, however, it was pretty townie to suggest. I don't think scum!faust would think of that, actually.

[Greathallscout]

Scum could have more infused spheres.

I can say much more about this but eventually it's just meaninglesss setup talk that each house should discuss.

Why is it better to discuss this in the houses?

Because you kinda have to there, whereas here you don't.

Isn't it better while we have more town in the pool to come to a consensus on the best town way to deal with stealing?

[MiX]

Scum could have more infused spheres.

I can say much more about this but eventually it's just meaninglesss setup talk that each house should discuss.

Why is it better to discuss this in the houses?

Because you kinda have to there, whereas here you don't.

Isn't it better while we have more town in the pool to come to a consensus on the best town way to deal with stealing?

We're not going to come to a consensus on the best town way to deal with stealing. We're going to compromise, and that's much easier in each house.

[EFHW]

vote: hypercube

[Dylan32]

True. And mafia would have not used stormlight on that.

I do think the draining of a scumread is useful though?

Draining's free, so that's not a problem.

Stealing is free. Draining is a separate thing that is not.

[Greathallscout]

@mix Rereading you- in post#260 you were giving your opinion about the stealing pact and then at post #299 you seemed to dismiss that we should discuss this. What changed?

[WestCoastDidds]

-Snip-
Fair enough. Then walk me through what you have figured out please?

I figured out that Eddie is goofing and there is likely no harm in trusting him for the moment and not to get too prickly about his calls for quiet time.

I also think that Mix is towny for being helpful in some of the specific ways that he is being helpful. Cayvie is being similarly helpful. Jimmmmm, more recently, has moved way up my town ladder.

Dylan is being towny and his claim is towny and useful.

Glooble, EFHW, LaLight, and faust are where I’d expect them to be. I don’t see them as scummy. Swowl and Joth start with my trust, and haven’t had an off note for me so far.

Chairs is decidedly not helpful. A hard no, with no other kind of engagement is scummy to me.  Galz is being aggressive and tussling with faust....NIA but worth watching. Hypercube’s Cult Leader assumption was very strange to me, and since then he has agreed with things that don’t really put him on a radar. This seems scummy to me..So, he’s worth watching, too.

Holy cow this game is big.....who am I missing? GHS....I don’t have an opinion of yet since he’s new to me. Who else? Oh! scolapasta. Hhmmm.....I’d expect him to be more in this. But weekends are weird, so we’ll see. I’d move him up to my watch carefully list.

Then there is you. I won’t vote for you today (or GHS) because I just don’t know well enough to know what is scummy for either of you yet. And I want you to like us and keep playing so bouncing you early is counterproductive to that goal.

That is probably more than you asked for in some regards, but not enough in others. C’est la vie.

PPE: 3

[Greathallscout]

@dylan Was there a reason you decided to use your ability and not just wait until others claimed or just claim regularly yourself?

[Greathallscout]

@Rhand was your vote on me because of your hitman proposal?

[jotheonah]

I voted for chairs because his reaction to my no lynch suggestion was exactly the reaction scum would have.

so EFHW's reaction was such:

Nice details mail-mi!

Sounds like Eddie is claiming Wit, a mysterious fellow who also goes by Hoid and appears in all the cosmere books, not just this series.

vote: joth. No lynch seems bad for town and his reasons were strange.

your response here was that "Nobody else has pinged my radar one way or another though I am slightly miffed at EFHW’s vote." (261)

chairs's reaction:

I'm personally hard no on the stealing pact and vote: jotheonah because HARD NO on ever suggesting no lynch D1.

im wondering what the key difference between EFHW's and chairs's reactions is here? why is one "exactly the reaction scum would have" and the other doesn't ping your radar?

There's a big difference between those two responses. EFHW says "I disagree with joth and his reasons were strange (i.e. the suggestion seems inauthentic)" That's not scummy. chairs response was "No lynch is bad therefore the suggestor of no lynch must be scum." It's just an easy knee-jerk jump at the chance for a consensus mislynch. It's the exact response I was fishing for with the NL suggestion.

[hypercube]

vote: hypercube

Are you a scum Dustbringer?

[Rhand]

-Snip-
Fair enough. Then walk me through what you have figured out please?

I figured out that Eddie is goofing and there is likely no harm in trusting him for the moment and not to get too prickly about his calls for quiet time.

I also think that Mix is towny for being helpful in some of the specific ways that he is being helpful. Cayvie is being similarly helpful. Jimmmmm, more recently, has moved way up my town ladder.

Dylan is being towny and his claim is towny and useful.

Glooble, EFHW, LaLight, and faust are where I’d expect them to be. I don’t see them as scummy. Swowl and Joth start with my trust, and haven’t had an off note for me so far.

Chairs is decidedly not helpful. A hard no, with no other kind of engagement is scummy to me.  Galz is being aggressive and tussling with faust....NIA but worth watching. Hypercube’s Cult Leader assumption was very strange to me, and since then he has agreed with things that don’t really put him on a radar. This seems scummy to me..So, he’s worth watching, too.

Holy cow this game is big.....who am I missing? GHS....I don’t have an opinion of yet since he’s new to me. Who else? Oh! scolapasta. Hhmmm.....I’d expect him to be more in this. But weekends are weird, so we’ll see. I’d move him up to my watch carefully list.

Then there is you. I won’t vote for you today (or GHS) because I just don’t know well enough to know what is scummy for either of you yet. And I want you to like us and keep playing so bouncing you early is counterproductive to that goal.

That is probably more than you asked for in some regards, but not enough in others. C’est la vie.

PPE: 3

I like this answer a lot. Way deeper than what I asked for. I have no idea if creating thought out reads with little info is in your scum range or not, but it’s a good look.
It also seems to be written stream of consciously, which is hard to fake.

Meta-wise I only have played with Cayvie. And only saw her as mafia. But I can tell you that being helpful is definitely in her scum range. Especially in her Day 1 play.
Do you have examples of specific ways of help for her that make her town?

[Rhand]

@Rhand was your vote on me because of your hitman proposal?

No, but I did add the vote in that post to gauge your reaction to it.
I’m not convinced you’re town, but I’m sure you aren’t a hitman.

I’m going to give you a reread though. I keep forgetting it’s your first time here too, maybe reading your posts with that in mind will give me a more solid read.

[Greathallscout]

These are my current thoughts as a reread people. not all at once since theres so many. so i will update. And it helps me get clarity with so many people.

Mix, joth(i think their no-lynch seemed sincere even though i disagree) and Cavie seems the most town to me.

Rhand(despite voting me) and WCD, seems helpfully towny to me as well.

I need to take a closer look at EFHW and faust. i feel like there might be scum between them.

Glooble and chairs seem the most scum. I am definitely going to through them more.

Scola- as they said themselves is being quiet and doesnt want to say much so leaning towards higher on my scum ladder just because of that lurckerish feel

Jimmmmm- unless i missed something has only one post so i dunno why WCD would think they have much on them.

Dylan- Ive has mixed thoughts about dylan throughout. and am interested in hearing their reason as to why they used ability.

lalight- Not so much except the slight glooble read in the beginning then switch to mix and then back to glooble. I did like their interest in the stealing-pact

hypercube- was he the first to point out that not talking in the house is optimal? seems towny. It feels like his agreement to the dustbringer claiming plan was jumping on the idea to seem towny and didnt feel genuine.

Galzria- I think i have negative vibes from them because of their "all chairs votes are bad" gambit a thought chairs seemed scummy.

Swowl- seems like they are trying to be helpful

And Eddie is too much fun to not like. I do think they are being helpful (if i understand what they mean)

I think that is everyone.

[MiX]

True. And mafia would have not used stormlight on that.

I do think the draining of a scumread is useful though?

Draining's free, so that's not a problem.

Stealing is free. Draining is a separate thing that is not.

Draining is free, you can pay 0 stormlight to drain 5 stormlight. Don't say whether I'm right or wrong, this is what I assumed and thus what scum assumed, let's leave it at that.

@mix Rereading you- in post#260 you were giving your opinion about the stealing pact and then at post #299 you seemed to dismiss that we should discuss this. What changed?

I gave my thoughts on the subject, discussing which method is best should be left for each house, but saying what methods are available is fine.

vote: hypercube

Are you a scum Dustbringer?

Are you town?

PPE: This post is sheeping Didds and I think it's scummy, although it has reads that look real. Weird.

[Rhand]

@Rhand was your vote on me because of your hitman proposal?

No, but I did add the vote in that post to gauge your reaction to it.
I’m not convinced you’re town, but I’m sure you aren’t a hitman.

I’m going to give you a reread though. I keep forgetting it’s your first time here too, maybe reading your posts with that in mind will give me a more solid read.

Hm. 3rd party, house claiming and making a stealing pact is really all you talked about so far. With assumptions that can be wrong, possibly putting us on a defect mechanical path. You can't assume that scum is spread nicely over the houses for example. It is well possible to have 2 scum in one house or a small house having scum. Making decisions based on things we don't know is anti-town.
I'm going to need to see you play the interaction game rather than just the mechanical one, but with what you've given so far you seem not town.

About the stealing: if we make a global pact, then it can become hard to persuade each other to change that decision later down the line. At some point it might be good to force a scummy player not to recharge and use a stealing action to confirm whether they indeed did not put any out.
Or maybe a useful role that is low on charges can be fed by others.
I agree completely that for now the stealing should be discussed within the houses.

EDIT after refresh: just saw you posted a readslist now. I'm not too impressed with that. Lots of iioa.
But it's a start.
Can you give reasonings for your top town reads (Mix, Joth, Cayvie) and your to scum reads (Glooble, chairs)?

[cayvie]

These are my current thoughts as a reread people. not all at once since theres so many. so i will update. And it helps me get clarity with so many people.

Mix, joth(i think their no-lynch seemed sincere even though i disagree) and Cavie seems the most town to me.

Rhand(despite voting me) and WCD, seems helpfully towny to me as well.

I need to take a closer look at EFHW and faust. i feel like there might be scum between them.

Glooble and chairs seem the most scum. I am definitely going to through them more.

Scola- as they said themselves is being quiet and doesnt want to say much so leaning towards higher on my scum ladder just because of that lurckerish feel

Jimmmmm- unless i missed something has only one post so i dunno why WCD would think they have much on them.

Dylan- Ive has mixed thoughts about dylan throughout. and am interested in hearing their reason as to why they used ability.

lalight- Not so much except the slight glooble read in the beginning then switch to mix and then back to glooble. I did like their interest in the stealing-pact

hypercube- was he the first to point out that not talking in the house is optimal? seems towny. It feels like his agreement to the dustbringer claiming plan was jumping on the idea to seem towny and didnt feel genuine.

Galzria- I think i have negative vibes from them because of their "all chairs votes are bad" gambit a thought chairs seemed scummy.

Swowl- seems like they are trying to be helpful

And Eddie is too much fun to not like. I do think they are being helpful (if i understand what they mean)

I think that is everyone.

mmm vote: GreatHallScout

this feels like a faked readlist

1) the sincerity of joth's no lynch suggestion is a poor reason to townread him. after all, he has stated that he posted it to fish for reactions.

2) implying that there's probably scum between EFHW and faust feels artificial (why would that be the case? because faust wants to lynch EFHW?) and the sort of thing one might include if one was hypothetically thinking "hmm gotta say something bout these players, and gotta include some scum on my list"

3) Glooble and chairs are very safe people to say you suspect. this whole list is very safe.

4) how in particular do you see Swowl being helpful? he's stuck to setup talk and hasn't said diddly about his thoughts on other players.

[MiX]

cayvie seems town. Not only did I get the same reaction as her (which I then said so that's NAI) she said what I wanted to say, which I haven't said yet, so that says she's town.

I think the Jimmmmm read says that Didds is town and he knows that. He's not even hiding that he did this post after seeing Didds'.

If he's scum, joth, cayvie, Rhand, Didds, scola, Galzria are town, one of EFHW/faust is town (and the other one's scum), Glooble, chairs, Jimmmmm and Dylan are unknown, and LL, hyper, Swowl and Eddie are most likely his partners. I'm assuming a 4 player scumteam here because those are the games I've lost.

[EFHW]

vote: hypercube

Are you a scum Dustbringer?

If I am, I'd better be working on a killer (haha) fakeclaim!

Where does this question come from? OMGUS or something more?

[Greathallscout]

These are my current thoughts as a reread people. not all at once since theres so many. so i will update. And it helps me get clarity with so many people.

Mix, joth(i think their no-lynch seemed sincere even though i disagree) and Cavie seems the most town to me.

Rhand(despite voting me) and WCD, seems helpfully towny to me as well.

I need to take a closer look at EFHW and faust. i feel like there might be scum between them.

Glooble and chairs seem the most scum. I am definitely going to through them more.

Scola- as they said themselves is being quiet and doesnt want to say much so leaning towards higher on my scum ladder just because of that lurckerish feel

Jimmmmm- unless i missed something has only one post so i dunno why WCD would think they have much on them.

Dylan- Ive has mixed thoughts about dylan throughout. and am interested in hearing their reason as to why they used ability.

lalight- Not so much except the slight glooble read in the beginning then switch to mix and then back to glooble. I did like their interest in the stealing-pact

hypercube- was he the first to point out that not talking in the house is optimal? seems towny. It feels like his agreement to the dustbringer claiming plan was jumping on the idea to seem towny and didnt feel genuine.

Galzria- I think i have negative vibes from them because of their "all chairs votes are bad" gambit a thought chairs seemed scummy.

Swowl- seems like they are trying to be helpful

And Eddie is too much fun to not like. I do think they are being helpful (if i understand what they mean)

I think that is everyone.

mmm vote: GreatHallScout

this feels like a faked readlist

1) the sincerity of joth's no lynch suggestion is a poor reason to townread him. after all, he has stated that he posted it to fish for reactions.

2) implying that there's probably scum between EFHW and faust feels artificial (why would that be the case? because faust wants to lynch EFHW?) and the sort of thing one might include if one was hypothetically thinking "hmm gotta say something bout these players, and gotta include some scum on my list"

3) Glooble and chairs are very safe people to say you suspect. this whole list is very safe.

4) how in particular do you see Swowl being helpful? he's stuck to setup talk and hasn't said diddly about his thoughts on other players.

1) I must've missed where joth said they did it for reactions. I wasn't saying that's why i think they are town just that i didn't think it was scummy. i think he is town mostly because he directly pointed out the "game design flaw"

2) I was really intending on making a list and i based it vaguely on the order of WCDs post I'm not sure why you might think this isnt sincere? if you think it's just pointless- well I'm making a list.

4) i said swowl seems to be TRYING to be helpful. basically meant i don't have much on him.

[faust]

Making decisions based on things we don't know is anti-town.

Are you arguing for a no lynch?

[cayvie]

mmm vote: GreatHallScout

this feels like a faked readlist

1) the sincerity of joth's no lynch suggestion is a poor reason to townread him. after all, he has stated that he posted it to fish for reactions.

2) implying that there's probably scum between EFHW and faust feels artificial (why would that be the case? because faust wants to lynch EFHW?) and the sort of thing one might include if one was hypothetically thinking "hmm gotta say something bout these players, and gotta include some scum on my list"

3) Glooble and chairs are very safe people to say you suspect. this whole list is very safe.

4) how in particular do you see Swowl being helpful? he's stuck to setup talk and hasn't said diddly about his thoughts on other players.

1) I must've missed where joth said they did it for reactions. I wasn't saying that's why i think they are town just that i didn't think it was scummy. i think he is town mostly because he directly pointed out the "game design flaw"

2) I was really intending on making a list and i based it vaguely on the order of WCDs post I'm not sure why you might think this isnt sincere? if you think it's just pointless- well I'm making a list.

4) i said swowl seems to be TRYING to be helpful. basically meant i don't have much on him.

Hey thanks for responding!

1) If joth's sincerity wasn't why you thought he was town, why did you include it as a parenthetical in a statement where you stated you thought he was town? And why not include the actual reasoning behind your townread if you had it?

"Mix, joth(i think their no-lynch seemed sincere even though i disagree) and Cavie seems the most town to me." implies pretty hard that the no-lynch suggestion is the reason you think joth is town. If you actually think he's town for pointing out game design flaws, why not say that in your read list where you state your read on him? That would be the logical thing to do, no?

2) Why were you intent on making a reads list?

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4) Why state that Swowl is trying to be helpful if you don't actually have a read on him?