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[Swowl]

I think I would be ok with no lynch if it makes sense today, but I do feel pretty confident that if we lynch yuma, ash, and MiX, we would find the 3rd scum and win.  If scum is outside of that set, then it would be one of the lurkiest scum games I've ever seen from LL or scola, but scola's town I think, and LL hasn't really been scummy, just not active.

We can lynch us three after we no lynch.

What's the downside to no lynching?

hm. thought.
I have been and am assuming you are both town.
this conversation should stop for now.

that sounded bark-y. not intentional. just pretty please put a pause on it for a smig bit.

[Swowl]

how about this for distraction to read over:

day 1 VCA
Final Day 1 Vote Count

LaLight (1): Joseph2302
faust (3): ashersky, Xxraptorslayer96, LaLight
WestCoastDidds (1): shraeye
cayvie (1): faust
Joseph2302 (6): DatSwan, Dylan32, WestCoastDidds, MiX, yuma, scolapasta

Day Two Final Vote Count

Xxraptorslayer96 (1): scolapasta
LaLight (1): yuma
Joseph2302 (6): MiX, WestCoastDidds, LaLight, Dylan32, ashersky, faust

Not Voting (3): Joseph2302, Xxraptorslayer96, DatSwan

*Note – the below logic has me “on Joseph wagon”. Technically I was not, but I made my point clear and obviously pushed the shit out of it (and Raptor), and this is more my thought process. So, if you do not accept me as town, you can probably skip this post, as I am making it from my POV*

- Players that were on Joseph both days – [Dylan, WCD, Mix, Swan]
- Players that were off Joseph both days – [Raptor, Joseph]. Both dead skum.
- Players that were on Day 1, off Day 2 – [Yuma, Scola]
- Players that were off Day 1, on Day 2 – [Raptor]; [Ash, LaLight, faust]
The only people that were OFF wagon on both days are conf!skum. Which means the last group is the interesting group:
Faust – dead town
Raptor – dead skum
Ash (Cayvie at the time) – Checked in at 191 on April 15. Last post of day was 427 on April 19. They then subbed out. So, I suppose, Cayvie/Ash – at least to me – get more of a pass. But still to be noted.
LaLight – This would be my top pick. Wagon at the start of the rush of end of day read:


I don't want to flood with my notes, so if you want to know you can ask, but essentially you can read back and check from VC1.4....
1. We have 2 flipped skum and neither of them were an opposing wagon to Joseph.
2. Day 1 when MiX and Yuma moved to Joseph, followed by a small gap by Pasta, there were suitable other town wagons for them to move to with no downside other than potential skum buddy Joseph. Yet they all went to Joseph. 
3. Day 1 Raptor was on faust, with Ash(cayvie) and LaLight. Normally, it would be weird for there to be 2 skum on such a small wagon like that. However, the alternatives were small tied wagons, and then Joseph. This makes me suspicious of Ash and LL.
4. LL got on that Joseph wagon real damn quick Day 2 after not wanting to get there at all Day 1 (i.e. literally trying to solo make a faust wagon within 24 hours and then peacing out instead of voting somewhere useful).
5. Ash then subbed in for Cayvie at this point, that always messes with how I read shit. But regardless LL is skummier here.

Essentially my scenario is
- I cannot find a reason for the people that piled on Joseph on Day 1 to of done so when they did if they are skum with Joseph. It just was not needed to bus at that point... like they created the damn wagon. So, Yuma, Mix, Ash kind of on a pass list at this point.
- Then no one moved. NO ONE MOVED. There is only one person that has not flipped that was off wagon on Day 1 - that is LaLight.
- Then we go to night... skum chat yadda yadda "we got through that but that isn't gonna look good. who looks worst? LL. k yah. LL make sure to bus".
- So, LL jumps on that bus Day 2 when they didn't want to day 1. Even though Day 1 they were a potential lynch candidate.

I am quite satisfied with a

Vote:LaLight

[Swowl]

ashersky has replaced cayvie

also this. to elaborate on why I don't think Cayvie/Ash should be a target as much as LL.
Ash was subbed in during the night phase.
Ash doesn't read Shraeye's claim of cop as true. Ever.

[MiX]

I don't see why you're looking at Day 2. Raptor didn't vote for Joseph day 2 because he wasn't around, for example. I don't think that day has much significance, given it was clear we would lynch Joseph, at least from my perspective, or at least that it looks really good to bus in D2.

Did cayvie/ash vote for Joseph D1? If so, when?

[A Drowned Kernel]

MOD QUESTION - Does anything happen if we go the 3 days with no death in this game?

No.

[Swowl]

I don't see why you're looking at Day 2. Raptor didn't vote for Joseph day 2 because he wasn't around, for example. I don't think that day has much significance, given it was clear we would lynch Joseph, at least from my perspective, or at least that it looks really good to bus in D2.

Did cayvie/ash vote for Joseph D1? If so, when?

agreed on raptor. it is just pasted in from notes for completion. The focus is Day 1.

Also mod note. You still want to no lynch?

[Swowl]

and cayvie/ash voting for shraeye idk for sure. my point was more based around logic from an ash pov. I do not know if Joseph or Raptor would of realized it, they may of for sure, but i am like 100% sure ash would of.

[MiX]

MOD QUESTION - Does anything happen if we go the 3 days with no death in this game?

No.

We're in it for the long haul.

I don't see why you're looking at Day 2. Raptor didn't vote for Joseph day 2 because he wasn't around, for example. I don't think that day has much significance, given it was clear we would lynch Joseph, at least from my perspective, or at least that it looks really good to bus in D2.

Did cayvie/ash vote for Joseph D1? If so, when?

agreed on raptor. it is just pasted in from notes for completion. The focus is Day 1.

Also mod note. You still want to no lynch?

Yes, I'm not taking responsibility for scum not NKing. Unless I'm scum, of course.

and cayvie/ash voting for shraeye idk for sure. my point was more based around logic from an ash pov. I do not know if Joseph or Raptor would of realized it, they may of for sure, but i am like 100% sure ash would of.

Oh I understand what you said now. I don't think that factored much into killing shraeye, and it's also WIFOM.

[Swowl]

MOD QUESTION - Does anything happen if we go the 3 days with no death in this game?

No.

We're in it for the long haul.

I don't see why you're looking at Day 2. Raptor didn't vote for Joseph day 2 because he wasn't around, for example. I don't think that day has much significance, given it was clear we would lynch Joseph, at least from my perspective, or at least that it looks really good to bus in D2.

Did cayvie/ash vote for Joseph D1? If so, when?

agreed on raptor. it is just pasted in from notes for completion. The focus is Day 1.

Also mod note. You still want to no lynch?

Yes, I'm not taking responsibility for scum not NKing. Unless I'm scum, of course.

and cayvie/ash voting for shraeye idk for sure. my point was more based around logic from an ash pov. I do not know if Joseph or Raptor would of realized it, they may of for sure, but i am like 100% sure ash would of.

Oh I understand what you said now. I don't think that factored much into killing shraeye, and it's also WIFOM.

ok I just don't see the point in No lynching with that statement, but you can do you I suppose.

Also, I mean it is technically WIFOM.. but like.. its almost as much not as it is in this case. Remove the WIFOM. No connections - did YOU think that shraeye was a cop after the claim?

[MiX]

Well, I thought he was scum, and I wasn't gonna bother with seeing if he was a PR or not if he was town.

The point of no lynching is to stalemate the game if scum so chooses. I have no intentions of making the game easier for them.

[MiX]

As a follow up, let's say we had 5 players yesterday, and thus today would be Lylo if someone was NKd. But instead, today would be MyLo. Would you lynch? I wouldn't.

[LaLight]

well, for my two cents, it really doesn't metter if we no lynch toDay, or tomorrow, or the day after that. I agree that we should no lynch at one point, but for now, I am content with vote: MiX

as I remember scum!MiX, he very much reminds me of him now.

[LaLight]

well, as harsh as it is to me to confess it, I really take a bit of a pause after Hunger Games, it almost killed me, and that's why I am a bit lurky. Although I read everything that's going on. Being a vt feels more relaxing, I don't remember when I was it the last time.

[MiX]

well, for my two cents, it really doesn't metter if we no lynch toDay, or tomorrow, or the day after that. I agree that we should no lynch at one point, but for now, I am content with vote: MiX

as I remember scum!MiX, he very much reminds me of him now.

Meta: I would never, ever delay the game like this. What's the point?

well, as harsh as it is to me to confess it, I really take a bit of a pause after Hunger Games, it almost killed me, and that's why I am a bit lurky. Although I read everything that's going on. Being a vt feels more relaxing, I don't remember when I was it the last time.

Okay, I guess you're scum. We should definitely not lynch today.

[LaLight]

Meta: I would never, ever delay the game like this. What's the point?

as a wise man once said, if you know your own meta, you can freely change it.

[LaLight]

well, I guess if you're scum, the point is that you ask the mods, knew that nothing happens if you no kill, then you no kill, we no lynch, you no kill, at one point collective mind will get much more bored and eventually lynch someone and you can continue in a MyLo until the end of the game.

[MiX]

Meta: I would never, ever delay the game like this. What's the point?

as a wise man once said, if you know your own meta, you can freely change it.

Booooooriiiiiing. Whoever did it had a better plan for today than push no lynch all day.

well, I guess if you're scum, the point is that you ask the mods, knew that nothing happens if you no kill, then you no kill, we no lynch, you no kill, at one point collective mind will get much more bored and eventually lynch someone and you can continue in a MyLo until the end of the game.

Sigh, I guess I would do this. Man...now I kinda wish I was scum. Voting correctly every day's cool, but 7v1ing sounds cooler.

[LaLight]

but for the record, the situation in which the game can not progress is very bad. Like, ok now, but if there's 4, 1 scum/three town, it's never a good thing to lynch for town and never a good thing to kill for scum. Stalemate, starving to death

[MiX]

but for the record, the situation in which the game can not progress is very bad. Like, ok now, but if there's 4, 1 scum/three town, it's never a good thing to lynch for town and never a good thing to kill for scum. Stalemate, starving to death

The game's never going to end. Which is why this is futile for scum. They started it.

[LaLight]

Booooooriiiiiing. Whoever did it had a better plan for today than push no lynch all day.

yeah, sure. We no lynch, scum no kills again, and you will be like, oh well, didn't work

but you contributed, right? :)

[LaLight]

but for the record, the situation in which the game can not progress is very bad. Like, ok now, but if there's 4, 1 scum/three town, it's never a good thing to lynch for town and never a good thing to kill for scum. Stalemate, starving to death

The game's never going to end. Which is why this is futile for scum. They started it.

if the game doesn't end, scum doesn't lose. And usually town cares less about winning than scum, especially if scum is one.

This is my opinion

[LaLight]

Vote: No lynch

Why did no one die?

This is the first post of the day. And I don't believe it not one bit

[LaLight]

Now I beg to excuse me, it's 5am and I sleep.

I will be here tomorrow. Or you lynch MiX and we win.

[MiX]

Booooooriiiiiing. Whoever did it had a better plan for today than push no lynch all day.

yeah, sure. We no lynch, scum no kills again, and you will be like, oh well, didn't work

but you contributed, right?

Yes, I came that conclusion eventually.

Vote: No lynch

Why did no one die?

This is the first post of the day. And I don't believe it not one bit

What specific part do you not believe?

PPE: Same!

[LaLight]

Booooooriiiiiing. Whoever did it had a better plan for today than push no lynch all day.

yeah, sure. We no lynch, scum no kills again, and you will be like, oh well, didn't work

but you contributed, right?

Yes, I came that conclusion eventually.

Vote: No lynch

Why did no one die?

This is the first post of the day. And I don't believe it not one bit

What specific part do you not believe?

PPE: Same!

Meta: how come us europeans don't sleep and everyone else is away?

I don't believe the sincerity of your question and I don't believe you just decided to no lynch when you saw no flip. I think it was planned.