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[faust]

Aha so I actually just thought of a way that the softclaim could be scummy, but it's pretty remote. Could you explain why you think it deserves a vote?

Because other people went ahead and partial/softclaimed, and Didds seemed willing to join that crowd for the towncred.

Also, she hasn't revealed anything beyond her role not being super powerful, so all the claim does is help scum. There is nothing in there to hold her accountable when she does claim later on.

[skip wooznum]

Aha so I actually just thought of a way that the softclaim could be scummy, but it's pretty remote. Could you explain why you think it deserves a vote?

Because other people went ahead and partial/softclaimed, and Didds seemed willing to join that crowd for the towncred.

Also, she hasn't revealed anything beyond her role not being super powerful, so all the claim does is help scum. There is nothing in there to hold her accountable when she does claim later on.

Alright.
I thought the "complicated and lots of moving parts" part was a semi-concrete thing that any later claim would have to fit with. Moving parts that make sense with the rest of the setup and are therefore believable are hard to fake, or at least that was my thought.

[Uncleeurope]

vote: cayvie

vote: pubby

This is pretty much where I’m at. Pubby and Faust both seem a bit off, although I can almost guarantee that there is at least one baddie who is defending a “townier” person.

MiX, for example.

Vote: Pubby

how can you have enough info to say pubby seems off? literally all he's said is "is there harnessed children" and an unexplained vote for me.

i guess i've never seen town!pubby, does he post a bunch when he's town? all i see so far is lurking.

Pubby typically plays this game significantly more open.

Faust typically plays this game not voting for people who I town read. (Although I find this to be less significant, hence the vote going the other way)

also also - "one baddie that is defending a townier person"? That implies you at least think mix is skummy yeah? Does that make Skip town by the same merit?

Is the only reason you think mix is skummy so far because they are defending someone?

I think scum are likely to see townieness as townieness just like everyone else, and was just pointing out the lilliehood that a baddie could easily be saying “don’t vote them, they are town!”

Any number of players could fit in that bucket, and not all of them are bad. I chose to poke at MIX because doin so is obligatory. I don’t quite get your point with the Skip thing.


I haven’t played on here in awhile. I forgot the meta was to push a wagon on me day 1 if I am town.

It’s weird how that always seems to happen. I only ever have early wagons as town.

[pubby]

I already revealed my role but nobody took notice.

[Uncleeurope]

You only have one post with any amount of content. If that is your claim (in some weird roundabout way), then I guess I’m wrong.

You normally are much more blunt about claiming your role.

[MiX]

vote: cayvie

vote: pubby

No, this is a good reason to vote cayvie. Scumpoints.

vote: cayvie

vote: pubby

This is pretty much where I’m at. Pubby and Faust both seem a bit off, although I can almost guarantee that there is at least one baddie who is defending a “townier” person.

MiX, for example.

Vote: Pubby

No, not really.

Vote: Uncle, who am I defending?

vote: Uncleeurope

I can get behind this

vote: Uncleeurope

Lol skip's town, have fun being NKd, that's an honor!

Aha so I actually just thought of a way that the softclaim could be scummy, but it's pretty remote. Could you explain why you think it deserves a vote?

Because other people went ahead and partial/softclaimed, and Didds seemed willing to join that crowd for the towncred.

Also, she hasn't revealed anything beyond her role not being super powerful, so all the claim does is help scum. There is nothing in there to hold her accountable when she does claim later on.

Alright.
I thought the "complicated and lots of moving parts" part was a semi-concrete thing that any later claim would have to fit with. Moving parts that make sense with the rest of the setup and are therefore believable are hard to fake, or at least that was my thought.

This except with much less doubt over it's truthfulness than either of you.

I already revealed my role but nobody took notice.

I saw it, there's just no reason to point it out.

Also last time you claimed like that you were scum doing some insane fakeclaim.

[WestCoastDidds]

Aha so I actually just thought of a way that the softclaim could be scummy, but it's pretty remote. Could you explain why you think it deserves a vote?

Because other people went ahead and partial/softclaimed, and Didds seemed willing to join that crowd for the towncred.

Also, she hasn't revealed anything beyond her role not being super powerful, so all the claim does is help scum. There is nothing in there to hold her accountable when she does claim later on.

Alright.
I thought the "complicated and lots of moving parts" part was a semi-concrete thing that any later claim would have to fit with. Moving parts that make sense with the rest of the setup and are therefore believable are hard to fake, or at least that was my thought.

There is no way for me to win with faust.... it’s just a double bind. Say less and it would fall into the fluffy category (which is totally, and unabashedly me...so, hey, nice to meet you!) or be more concrete and then be scummy. Eddie is “my role is meh”, LL is “my role is boring”, Cayvie is “my role is crazypants”.... but somehow I have most significantly violated faust’s ideas about what kinds of statements are scummy or not.  He doesn’t say why, he just votes for me. There is no interaction. So, my response was/is “Le sigh.”

[WestCoastDidds]

Okay, where is Galzria??

[MiX]

Okay, where is Galzria??

Gone! Is he in this game? I think Galz kurking here is NAI, besides my vote's in a better place.

Why do you want him here?

[faust]

There is no way for me to win with faust.... it’s just a double bind. Say less and it would fall into the fluffy category (which is totally, and unabashedly me...so, hey, nice to meet you!) or be more concrete and then be scummy. Eddie is “my role is meh”, LL is “my role is boring”, Cayvie is “my role is crazypants”.... but somehow I have most significantly violated faust’s ideas about what kinds of statements are scummy or not.  He doesn’t say why, he just votes for me. There is no interaction. So, my response was/is “Le sigh.”

This reads disingenuous to me. First of all, I don't recall ever having scumread you for being "fluffy". Sounds more like something you made up to invalidate my read.

And of course then there's the "uh others have done the same why isn't faust going after them?" routine which completely ignores the fact that the main reason Didds' post was scummy is because she wasn't the first to softclaim.

[MiX]

There is no way for me to win with faust.... it’s just a double bind. Say less and it would fall into the fluffy category (which is totally, and unabashedly me...so, hey, nice to meet you!) or be more concrete and then be scummy. Eddie is “my role is meh”, LL is “my role is boring”, Cayvie is “my role is crazypants”.... but somehow I have most significantly violated faust’s ideas about what kinds of statements are scummy or not.  He doesn’t say why, he just votes for me. There is no interaction. So, my response was/is “Le sigh.”

This reads disingenuous to me. First of all, I don't recall ever having scumread you for being "fluffy". Sounds more like something you made up to invalidate my read.

And of course then there's the "uh others have done the same why isn't faust going after them?" routine which completely ignores the fact that the main reason Didds' post was scummy is because she wasn't the first to softclaim.

Does Didds not softclaim as town?

[faust]

There is no way for me to win with faust.... it’s just a double bind. Say less and it would fall into the fluffy category (which is totally, and unabashedly me...so, hey, nice to meet you!) or be more concrete and then be scummy. Eddie is “my role is meh”, LL is “my role is boring”, Cayvie is “my role is crazypants”.... but somehow I have most significantly violated faust’s ideas about what kinds of statements are scummy or not.  He doesn’t say why, he just votes for me. There is no interaction. So, my response was/is “Le sigh.”

This reads disingenuous to me. First of all, I don't recall ever having scumread you for being "fluffy". Sounds more like something you made up to invalidate my read.

And of course then there's the "uh others have done the same why isn't faust going after them?" routine which completely ignores the fact that the main reason Didds' post was scummy is because she wasn't the first to softclaim.

Does Didds not softclaim as town?

In that situation? Generally? I don't know, probably depends on her role, but it isn't all that relevant to the discussion.

[MiX]

Aha so I actually just thought of a way that the softclaim could be scummy, but it's pretty remote. Could you explain why you think it deserves a vote?

Because other people went ahead and partial/softclaimed, and Didds seemed willing to join that crowd for the towncred.

Also, she hasn't revealed anything beyond her role not being super powerful, so all the claim does is help scum. There is nothing in there to hold her accountable when she does claim later on.

If this is your argument, what about the softclaim tells you this is more scum!Didds than town!Didds? I can't see it.

Did anyone else help town with their claim?

[WestCoastDidds]

There is no way for me to win with faust.... it’s just a double bind. Say less and it would fall into the fluffy category (which is totally, and unabashedly me...so, hey, nice to meet you!) or be more concrete and then be scummy. Eddie is “my role is meh”, LL is “my role is boring”, Cayvie is “my role is crazypants”.... but somehow I have most significantly violated faust’s ideas about what kinds of statements are scummy or not.  He doesn’t say why, he just votes for me. There is no interaction. So, my response was/is “Le sigh.”

This reads disingenuous to me. First of all, I don't recall ever having scumread you for being "fluffy". Sounds more like something you made up to invalidate my read.

And of course then there's the "uh others have done the same why isn't faust going after them?" routine which completely ignores the fact that the main reason Didds' post was scummy is because she wasn't the first to softclaim.

You didn’t say fluffy, Skip did. It was one of his multiple choice items on the why I was scummy question

[WestCoastDidds]

Okay, where is Galzria??

Gone! Is he in this game? I think Galz kurking here is NAI, besides my vote's in a better place.

Why do you want him here?

I miss him! And we’ve been playing for a couple of days (day and a half?) and could use a good dose of Galzy to mix things up.

Also, hi Eddie! How have you been? You have been missed.

[faust]

Aha so I actually just thought of a way that the softclaim could be scummy, but it's pretty remote. Could you explain why you think it deserves a vote?

Because other people went ahead and partial/softclaimed, and Didds seemed willing to join that crowd for the towncred.

Also, she hasn't revealed anything beyond her role not being super powerful, so all the claim does is help scum. There is nothing in there to hold her accountable when she does claim later on.

If this is your argument, what about the softclaim tells you this is more scum!Didds than town!Didds? I can't see it.

Did anyone else help town with their claim?

cayvie tried to generate discussion with her claim, I can see that narrative. The other claims weren't that great either, but at the very least being locked into having a "boring" role reduces the amount of crazy claiming someone could do.

Didds's claim was the worst since it came last and did the least to help town. But that doesn't mean that I think all the other claims were super townie.

[2.71828.....]

I need to figure out why people are voting since we have some serious votes now.

Sorry, slow start for me getting into this game with the weekend then just a case of the Mondays

[Uncleeurope]

vote: cayvie

vote: pubby

No, this is a good reason to vote cayvie. Scumpoints.

vote: cayvie

vote: pubby

This is pretty much where I’m at. Pubby and Faust both seem a bit off, although I can almost guarantee that there is at least one baddie who is defending a “townier” person.

MiX, for example.

Vote: Pubby

No, not really.

Vote: Uncle, who am I defending?

vote: Uncleeurope

I can get behind this

vote: Uncleeurope

Lol skip's town, have fun being NKd, that's an honor!

Aha so I actually just thought of a way that the softclaim could be scummy, but it's pretty remote. Could you explain why you think it deserves a vote?

Because other people went ahead and partial/softclaimed, and Didds seemed willing to join that crowd for the towncred.

Also, she hasn't revealed anything beyond her role not being super powerful, so all the claim does is help scum. There is nothing in there to hold her accountable when she does claim later on.

Alright.
I thought the "complicated and lots of moving parts" part was a semi-concrete thing that any later claim would have to fit with. Moving parts that make sense with the rest of the setup and are therefore believable are hard to fake, or at least that was my thought.

This except with much less doubt over it's truthfulness than either of you.

I already revealed my role but nobody took notice.

I saw it, there's just no reason to point it out.

Also last time you claimed like that you were scum doing some insane fakeclaim.

You cant claim you aren’t defending someone and then immediately claim someone is for sure Town in the next line. Especially when I have already established that calling people town is what I meant by defending someone.

Also, I believe I missed the Pubby game where they were evil?

Also, also, do you think my behavior this game is indicative of me being scum, or town?

Making claims and calls that you disagree with is hardly grounds to vote.

Especially when those claims are coming from me.

[MiX]

"No, not really" is about your reads on pubby and faust, you established that after the post for which I voted you, your behavior says you're town.

Vote: E, "I need to know everyone's reads, gimme them please".

[shraeye]

Vote: WestCoastDidds

Le sigh....

And here I thought we had turned over a new leaf

And under the new leaf was....another old leaf!!!  It's a great mystery pile of leaves!

[shraeye]

My role is complicated and has lots of moving parts, but not super powerful. (Again, kind of like my life...)

I like this softclaim. Like, not in the sense that I think it's pro-town necessarily; like, in the sense that it strikes me as true and makes me lean town on wcd.

describe a softclaim you would not like.  And one you would only kinda like.

[shraeye]

Townpoints for skip as that's exactly what I thought.

Anyone who agrees with me is town!!! (sigh...)

[shraeye]

My role is complicated and has lots of moving parts, but not super powerful. (Again, kind of like my life...)

I like this softclaim. Like, not in the sense that I think it's pro-town necessarily; like, in the sense that it strikes me as true and makes me lean town on wcd.

How does it compare to LaLight's softclaim?

I know, right?

[Galzria]

Sorry all - Reading from the start and getting involved now. I'm trying to establish myself a new "normal" right now... so while I'm just locked away at home every day (including the weekends), I'm trying to make sure I take Sat/Sun to myself to not have to think about work/virus/anything for my own sanity.

[Galzria]

I'm going to do two re-reads:

First, straight through, thoughts only jotted down to myself (stream of conscience style): If people wish that to be published I can do so after.

Second, dialed in to the things that stand out. This is notably different than above because time passes, and what might have seemed important in the first 50 posts may not matter after posts 150+