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[faust]

I mean, I wonder if there is no red faction here.

Like, is yellow out only threat.

That would not be that case though. Who killed cayvie?

do you see a downside in:
1) answering if anyone signed
2) other people in there coming out?

I don't understand the question. Clearly not? Or I would not have claimed it.

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Cayvie's flip definitely confirms that they were playing up survivor to save the rest of their faction from scrutiny. Definitely think non-standard scum "aggressors" makes sense.

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But we still have to have a regular scum faction I think because they would have been the ones to kill cayvie

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Or are the humanists the primary scum faction and we have a SK?

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Except we would have probably had two deaths then

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Wait, I totally missed WCD died because of the color and not reading

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1. 2.7
2. MiX
3. LaLight -> 15. SpaceAnemone
4. WCD
5. cayvie
6. Galzria
7. faust
8. EFHW
9. Datswan
10. uncleeurope
11. pubby
12. shraeye
13. skip wooznum
14. mail-mi

So are we looking for more maroon scum or orange scum or another scum?

I think another orange scum makes the most sense.

[2.71828.....]

Although, maybe not?

if we count space as always having been in, which very much seems like the design...

15 players = 5 scum?

[faust]

Although, maybe not?

if we count space as always having been in, which very much seems like the design...

15 players = 5 scum?

From the list above, it seems more like Space entering the game was part of LaLight's role.

[faust]

I think we should look for red scum based on reactions to Galzria's claim.

From a red scum's perspective:
- they know Galzria isn't on their faction
- the other nightkill had been claimed by a person not on their faction, they have no reason to suspect multiball
- thus, they would probably believe Galz is more or less telling the truth
- there is no benefit in a Galzria lynch, unless it's to avoid one of their team getting lynched.

[2.71828.....]

Although, maybe not?

if we count space as always having been in, which very much seems like the design...

15 players = 5 scum?

From the list above, it seems more like Space entering the game was part of LaLight's role.

True, so Space may never have come in. Does this make it more or less likely for 5 scum?

Either way I think looking for another partner to Galzria/cayvie makes sense

[faust]

Reactions to Galzria's claim (which is here):

shraeye posts immediately afterwards on an unrelated note and doesn't give any opinion. Scummy, seems like waiting for what the consensus will be. shraeye later keeps pointing out that Galzria's claimed wincon isn't "Survivor" for some reason. Comes in late pushing for Didds.

Eddie asks lots of questions. Then supports keeping Galzria alive. This post is also interesting.

skip votes Galzria, argues for his lynch.

e moves on to discussing other things, and questions me on my Glazria read rather than saying something himself. Later says he'd be fine lynching Galzria, but isn't super into it.

EFHW points out some flaws in the claim, and keeps her vote on him. She later feels into a skip lynch, only to go back to Galz.

mail-mi believes Galzria.

Swan also asks loads of questions. Advocates EFHW over Galzria late into the Day, but is willing to go to Galz.

So, scummiest I think is shraeye, then probably e and Eddie, maybe mail-mi. There's also something about EFHW. Swan and skip towniest.

[Uncleeurope]

Vote: EFHW

[skip wooznum]

Eddie asks lots of questions. Then supports keeping Galzria alive. This post is also interesting.

I agree that post is very interesting.

Faust is being too stubborn to be scum in my mind.

It’s a fairly simple obvservation, but worth noting.

Why would scum!faust not be stubborn? Or rather, why would scum!faust have any desire to lynch anybody else? He wouldn't want to lynch a partner - so by tunneling me he can avoid making reads on them - and he would much rather lynch me than a townie - whose green flip would leave him needing to justify his incorrect read. Like, I don't see why scum!faust wouldn't tunnel the *(&@ out of me.

Imo scum want you to live to another day if they can.

You are a free mislynch that they can use whenever they want. They also know you are more likely to be telling the truth than we have the ability to know, which means you are less threatening than a random town.

What you say means little to town at this point as well.

They would prefer to lynch:
anyone but you >> you >>>>>>> partner

How do you know scum knows galz was more likely to be telling the truth than you have the ability to know?

[skip wooznum]

1. 2.7
2. MiX
3. LaLight -> 15. SpaceAnemone
4. WCD
5. cayvie
6. Galzria
7. faust
8. EFHW
9. Datswan
10. uncleeurope
11. pubby
12. shraeye
13. skip wooznum
14. mail-mi

So are we looking for more maroon scum or orange scum or another scum?

I think another orange scum makes the most sense.

I don't think didds flipped scum. Her color was maroon, the default color for ash's mod posts. Also her flavor name is towny. It seems like she just didn't flip.

[Uncleeurope]

Eddie asks lots of questions. Then supports keeping Galzria alive. This post is also interesting.

I agree that post is very interesting.

Faust is being too stubborn to be scum in my mind.

It’s a fairly simple obvservation, but worth noting.

Why would scum!faust not be stubborn? Or rather, why would scum!faust have any desire to lynch anybody else? He wouldn't want to lynch a partner - so by tunneling me he can avoid making reads on them - and he would much rather lynch me than a townie - whose green flip would leave him needing to justify his incorrect read. Like, I don't see why scum!faust wouldn't tunnel the *(&@ out of me.

Imo scum want you to live to another day if they can.

You are a free mislynch that they can use whenever they want. They also know you are more likely to be telling the truth than we have the ability to know, which means you are less threatening than a random town.

What you say means little to town at this point as well.

They would prefer to lynch:
anyone but you >> you >>>>>>> partner

How do you know scum knows galz was more likely to be telling the truth than you have the ability to know?

Scum knows Galz is not scum, therefor is less likely to be lying. It’s still possible, but us town people have to consider the possibility that Galz is scum.

That post is essentially Faust’s:

I think we should look for red scum based on reactions to Galzria's claim.

From a red scum's perspective:
- they know Galzria isn't on their faction
- the other nightkill had been claimed by a person not on their faction, they have no reason to suspect multiball
- thus, they would probably believe Galz is more or less telling the truth
- there is no benefit in a Galzria lynch, unless it's to avoid one of their team getting lynched.

They are saying the same thing.

[skip wooznum]

But how did you know galz wasn't scum?

[Uncleeurope]

But how did you know galz wasn't scum?

It was a read.

It’s what I do, it’s not an exact science. I can just read people’s minds.

Don’t believe me? Lynch EFHW and you will see the truth.

[Uncleeurope]

Oh, wait, you are wondering why I was talking as if Galz was telling the truth in that post.

Well, I was talking to Galz, which makes entertaining his scumminess much less productive. I was essentially trying to show why I thought Galz should think Faust was town based on what Galz knows.

From his perspective, I mean.

That, plus I trusted him.

[skip wooznum]

Ah

[EFHW]

But how did you know galz wasn't scum?

How do you know Eddie isn't scum?

[EFHW]

But how did you know galz wasn't scum?

It was a read.

It’s what I do, it’s not an exact science. I can just read people’s minds.

Don’t believe me? Lynch EFHW and you will see the truth.

What if you are picking up on my unconscious guilt and mistaking it for scumminess?

[Uncleeurope]

But how did you know galz wasn't scum?

It was a read.

It’s what I do, it’s not an exact science. I can just read people’s minds.

Don’t believe me? Lynch EFHW and you will see the truth.

What if you are picking up on my unconscious guilt and mistaking it for scumminess?

Have you become increasingly guilty between the games we have played together?

Because the guilt levels must be off the charts now.

[skip wooznum]

But how did you know galz wasn't scum?

How do you know Eddie isn't scum?

I mean, that's my point.

Unless you're saying I'm doing the same thing I'm grilling eddie for doing, namely, talking to a player of unknown alignment, and assuming, for the purpose of having a dialogue with them, that they know they are telling the truth, in which case, touché.

I don't think the situations are alike, but it doesnt really matter.

[EFHW]

But how did you know galz wasn't scum?

How do you know Eddie isn't scum?

I mean, that's my point.

Unless you're saying I'm doing the same thing I'm grilling eddie for doing, namely, talking to a player of unknown alignment, and assuming, for the purpose of having a dialogue with them, that they know they are telling the truth, in which case, touché.

I don't think the situations are alike, but it doesnt really matter.

Yes, same thing.