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[Uncleeurope]

Also also, can someone knock together a vote count?

[Galzria]

Faust is being too stubborn to be scum in my mind.

It’s a fairly simple obvservation, but worth noting.

Why would scum!faust not be stubborn? Or rather, why would scum!faust have any desire to lynch anybody else? He wouldn't want to lynch a partner - so by tunneling me he can avoid making reads on them - and he would much rather lynch me than a townie - whose green flip would leave him needing to justify his incorrect read. Like, I don't see why scum!faust wouldn't tunnel the *(&@ out of me.

[Swowl]

Also, Swowl, you still think I’m a baddie?

I’m so tired I just want to ramble a bit.

meh. I do but for the same reasons as always, which are about as solid as Galz' reasons on WCD so yeah. But not enough to care right now.

[Uncleeurope]

Also, Swowl, you still think I’m a baddie?

I’m so tired I just want to ramble a bit.

meh. I do but for the same reasons as always, which are about as solid as Galz' reasons on WCD so yeah. But not enough to care right now.

Wait, you always think I am bad? What are those reasons?

[Uncleeurope]

Faust is being too stubborn to be scum in my mind.

It’s a fairly simple obvservation, but worth noting.

Why would scum!faust not be stubborn? Or rather, why would scum!faust have any desire to lynch anybody else? He wouldn't want to lynch a partner - so by tunneling me he can avoid making reads on them - and he would much rather lynch me than a townie - whose green flip would leave him needing to justify his incorrect read. Like, I don't see why scum!faust wouldn't tunnel the *(&@ out of me.

Imo scum want you to live to another day if they can.

You are a free mislynch that they can use whenever they want. They also know you are more likely to be telling the truth than we have the ability to know, which means you are less threatening than a random town.

What you say means little to town at this point as well.

They would prefer to lynch:
anyone but you >> you >>>>>>> partner

[Swowl]

no not always.
I mean I tend to always get weird vibes off you when we play, but it isn't like 100% of the time.

I don't even remember all the reasons, they are posted back in day 1 somewhere. I can dig em up later, I am multi tasking right now.

[Uncleeurope]

no not always.
I mean I tend to always get weird vibes off you when we play, but it isn't like 100% of the time.

I don't even remember all the reasons, they are posted back in day 1 somewhere. I can dig em up later, I am multi tasking right now.

Well, they call me that for a reason- Uncle “Weird Vibes” Eddie

[Galzria]

Well, as we're coming up on 90 minutes to deadline, and you two are both likely needed to see a faust lynch happen, I'm going to vote: EFHW for now.

[mail-mi]

Would be willing to join, still think id prefer WCD tho

[Uncleeurope]

Does anyone have a vote count? I desperately need sleep, and want to know where to park my vote.

[SpaceAnemone]

No Space.

Sorry.. I was unable to resist Maxford's DVD-watching demands :-P Back now!

Lockdown-life is hectic and stressful, so I feel like it's worth savouring the fact that I do actually have a friend to share it with and keep me moderately sane. Hope you're all doing okay.

It's a weird feeling to feel both like "nothing is going on and you have all the free time in the world..." and also "super stressed and not enough time to get to all the things you need/want to get to". Days go by right now and I'm not even sure how... except that I know there's always stuff I can (should) be doing. "Nothing to do" and "Always something else on the list" don't seem like they can co-exist, but they do!

I'm still working 10-7 weekdays, just from my kitchen table.. and actually we have a load of critical deadlines that I should be putting in more extra hours than I am to meet. I've been very carefully staying in denial all weekend so that I could have a little slice of normal time, otherwise I might explode coming into this new week.

I really meant to come into this game seriously about 48 hours ago with reads and to try to steer things. I was glad of faust's support when he agreed that the IC should stay quiet earlier in the day, but I'm somewhat disappointed not to have had him reminding me that I'd be useful now :-P

PPE 11

[SpaceAnemone]

Space Count

WestCoastDidds (3): Uncleeurope, mail-mi, Shraeye
Galzria (5): skip wooznum, faust, 2.71828....., EFHW, WestCoastDidds
2.71828..... (1): Cayvie
EFHW (2): DatSwan, Galzria
Not Voting (1): SpaceAnemone

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.11:

Galzria (5): skip, faust, 2.7, EHFW, WCD
WCD (3): uncle, mail-mi, shraeye
EFHW (2): DatSwan, Galzria
2.7 (1): cayvie

Not Voting (1): SpaceAnemone

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.  Day 2 ends on April 19 at 21:30 forum time.

[skip wooznum]

And if he's an Alien scum? Then we literally cannot both win, and thus I am as much a threat to him as any other player.

This is not true, except for that you lied about your wincon.

[SpaceAnemone]

Imo scum want you to live to another day if they can.

You are a free mislynch that they can use whenever they want. They also know you are more likely to be telling the truth than we have the ability to know, which means you are less threatening than a random town.

I think that's only true if Galz were to flip as a survivor-like faction. There's a real risk that there's something more to his role than he's letting on, as faust keeps pointing out. That could be scary for mafia-scum, especially if they're not personally reponsible for both of last night's kills and the claimed vig isn't accepting responsibility either. If there's a decent chance, in mafia's eyes, that Galz could perform an NK, then they're going to want him out of the picture sooner rather than later.

[Galzria]

And if he's an Alien scum? Then we literally cannot both win, and thus I am as much a threat to him as any other player.

This is not true, except for that you lied about your wincon.

Such confidence, for something you know nothing about, as you have not seen my PM.

[skip wooznum]

Like, if he's Alien Town, then yes, he and I cannot win together.

Also untrue, except for that you lied about your win-con.

[skip wooznum]

And if he's an Alien scum? Then we literally cannot both win, and thus I am as much a threat to him as any other player.

This is not true, except for that you lied about your wincon.

Such confidence, for something you know nothing about, as you have not seen my PM.

I'm confident that based on the win-con you have claimed, it's possible for both you and town!aliens (or scum!aliens) to both win the game.

Otherwinconslip!

[Swowl]

Like, if he's Alien Town, then yes, he and I cannot win together.

Also untrue, except for that you lied about your win-con.

And if he's an Alien scum? Then we literally cannot both win, and thus I am as much a threat to him as any other player.

This is not true, except for that you lied about your wincon.

elaborate plz

Such confidence, for something you know nothing about, as you have not seen my PM.

I'm confident that based on the win-con you have claimed, it's possible for both you and town!aliens (or scum!aliens) to both win the game.

Otherwinconslip!

[Swowl]

misquote:

Elaborate plz

[Uncleeurope]

I guess I am going with Vote: EFHW

Although Galz is probably the technically correct lynch here. Ehhh...

[Galzria]

And if he's an Alien scum? Then we literally cannot both win, and thus I am as much a threat to him as any other player.

This is not true, except for that you lied about your wincon.

Such confidence, for something you know nothing about, as you have not seen my PM.

I'm confident that based on the win-con you have claimed, it's possible for both you and town!aliens (or scum!aliens) to both win the game.

Otherwinconslip!

It isn't possible for us to both win AND be alive at the same time. Take a scenario that is Town!Alien, Town!Human & me. Yes, we can "both win together", if the Town!Alien goes "Oh hey, lynch me and we all win!". But at that point it's just better for them to lynch me - much safer by far.

It's possible for a DEAD Alien Player (MiX, pubby - for example) to win at the same time I do, if all scum are dead and I'm alive with just Town!Human's. But that wasn't really the point that was being made. The assumption in those posts is that Alien!faust is ALIVE, and as long as he's ALIVE he and I cannot win together - and that is true of any Alien.

[SpaceAnemone]

Okay, here's where I'm at.

Vote: Galz L-1

This shouldn't, by his admission, actually hurt his chances at his stated wincon. However, even if he's exactly what he claims to be, his flip may give town information about whether his death is something mafia themselves are likely to be pushing for actively, which helps us with wagon analysis. Meanwhile, someone who's going to be alive tomorrow should read through and check whether his "buckets" theory for WCD's scum-tell pans out. Her self-defence reaction right now reads quite genuine to me, but I'm not the greatest at that kind of reading.

Another person I'd like to look more at would be mail-mi, from VCA and also from the lack of follow-through on the question I directed at him.

[Galzria]

misquote:

Elaborate plz

It's a pedantic difference. He's pointing out that Aliens that are dead (regardless of faction) still win with their faction. So If I win with town (ie. The only players left alive are me and Town!Humans), then I've technically won with all Town!Aliens as well - therefore it is not "literally impossible" for me to win "with Town!Aliens".

[Galzria]

Vote: Galzria

I have not lied. Not a single word.