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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #525 on: February 16, 2020, 01:11:24 pm »

Let me make sure I have this right. Raerae claims that Cayvie killed Galz, which Raerae knows thanks to an as yet unclaimed role. Cayvie claims that using her (her is correct right?) redirection powers, she(?) redirected Raerae to me. Meaning that I did the kill, if neither Cayvie nor Raerae is lying (obviously impossible from my perspective but I don’t want to start arguing till I understand what I’m arguing against).
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #526 on: February 16, 2020, 01:12:09 pm »

That sounds correct.
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #527 on: February 16, 2020, 01:14:37 pm »

That sounds correct.

Excellent. In that case, consider me in the “Raerae please claim, you’re gonna get NKed anyways” camp.

Vote: Raerae
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #528 on: February 16, 2020, 01:15:14 pm »

Let me make sure I have this right. Raerae claims that Cayvie killed Galz, which Raerae knows thanks to an as yet unclaimed role. Cayvie claims that using her (her is correct right?) redirection powers, she(?) redirected Raerae to me. Meaning that I did the kill, if neither Cayvie nor Raerae is lying (obviously impossible from my perspective but I don’t want to start arguing till I understand what I’m arguing against).

yes, she/her is correct for me. also your understanding of the situation seems accurate.
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #529 on: February 16, 2020, 01:23:21 pm »

Still standing by my position that there's scum in one of cayvie/raerae. Basically it's whoever is lying.

BUT if they're both town then ari seems next up. But to me ari's posts have been slightly more believable than either of cayvie/raerae so I'd rather not lynch him first.

vote: raerae but will gladly change my vote back to cayvie
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #530 on: February 16, 2020, 01:25:52 pm »

Still standing by my position that there's scum in one of cayvie/raerae. Basically it's whoever is lying.

BUT if they're both town then ari seems next up. But to me ari's posts have been slightly more believable than either of cayvie/raerae so I'd rather not lynch him first.

vote: raerae but will gladly change my vote back to cayvie

this is L-1.
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #531 on: February 16, 2020, 01:29:03 pm »

Unvote

I didn’t mean to make it l-1. I want Raerae to claim first.
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #532 on: February 16, 2020, 01:30:10 pm »

Also I’ll be gone for a few hours. I’ll gladly put my vote back on Raerae if no claim is forthcoming and we’ve had slightly more discussion.
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #533 on: February 16, 2020, 01:30:42 pm »

Unvote

I didn’t mean to make it l-1. I want Raerae to claim first.

heh i'd like that too but i don't think we're gonna get what we want, she's been pretty clear on that front.
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #534 on: February 16, 2020, 01:31:08 pm »

Also I’ll be gone for a few hours. I’ll gladly put my vote back on Raerae if no claim is forthcoming and we’ve had slightly more discussion.

but yeah, there's no rush.
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #535 on: February 16, 2020, 01:33:14 pm »

Also I’ll be gone for a few hours. I’ll gladly put my vote back on Raerae if no claim is forthcoming and we’ve had slightly more discussion.

Ari: "Vote: raerae for not claiming at L-1"

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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #536 on: February 16, 2020, 01:42:29 pm »

Still standing by my position that there's scum in one of cayvie/raerae. Basically it's whoever is lying.

BUT if they're both town then ari seems next up. But to me ari's posts have been slightly more believable than either of cayvie/raerae so I'd rather not lynch him first.

vote: raerae but will gladly change my vote back to cayvie

pubby just popping in to make it an unannounced L-1 is fairly scummy imo.
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #537 on: February 16, 2020, 01:46:20 pm »

Wait, redirectors target both of their picks? I didn't expect that.

my role says i target 2 players, yeah. other redirectors can presumably confirm.
I'm targetting two as well
For completeness, I targetted WCD to redirect onto ari. Which is why I've been pretty pro WCD today. And also still don't see why scum!WCD would fake claim at that time
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #538 on: February 16, 2020, 01:47:24 pm »

Still standing by my position that there's scum in one of cayvie/raerae. Basically it's whoever is lying.

BUT if they're both town then ari seems next up. But to me ari's posts have been slightly more believable than either of cayvie/raerae so I'd rather not lynch him first.

vote: raerae but will gladly change my vote back to cayvie
Vote: pubby
Looking to get the day done when people are still processing and actively talking is scummy
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #539 on: February 16, 2020, 01:48:06 pm »

Although if pubby is scummy for that, it means rae is probably town

Man, confused right now
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #540 on: February 16, 2020, 01:49:11 pm »

Actually wait, if I redirected WCD and WCD is a redirector, then this may be where the confusion has come from....
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #541 on: February 16, 2020, 01:50:53 pm »

Wait, redirectors target both of their picks? I didn't expect that.

my role says i target 2 players, yeah. other redirectors can presumably confirm.
I'm targetting two as well
For completeness, I targetted WCD to redirect onto ari. Which is why I've been pretty pro WCD today. And also still don't see why scum!WCD would fake claim at that time

oh wow so night 1 a potential redirector redirecting a redirector already. chaos.

so joseph, if raerae is scum who would you say your top 3 guesses for scum!raerae's buddies would be?
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #542 on: February 16, 2020, 02:36:39 pm »

Wait, redirectors target both of their picks? I didn't expect that.

my role says i target 2 players, yeah. other redirectors can presumably confirm.
I'm targetting two as well
For completeness, I targetted WCD to redirect onto ari. Which is why I've been pretty pro WCD today. And also still don't see why scum!WCD would fake claim at that time

oh wow so night 1 a potential redirector redirecting a redirector already. chaos.

Well I sort of panicked as Awaclus died, and they were originally my top scum read
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #543 on: February 16, 2020, 02:59:19 pm »

I keep going back and forth on whether there's any value in having more redirectors claim. If we can map out every target change that happened last night, that's good, but if even a single person is lying it throws a wrench into the works. However, maybe there's benefit if we do it every day? Like, maybe this is some logic puzzle and we can catch liars tomorrow when their redirections don't line up with reality. But there's a good chance that exposes too much information and gives scum PoE.

I'm talking in general though. I'd actually support a redirector claim if it somehow affects the raerae/cayvie situation.

Vote: pubby
Looking to get the day done when people are still processing and actively talking is scummy
I thought my vote was l-2, but I'd hammer either one so...

Also I'm not feeling very excited about a raerae claim because I think scum raerae and town raerae will claim exactly the same thing. (hint: it's either investigator, or redirector)
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #544 on: February 16, 2020, 03:07:25 pm »

If people are split on believing one of us, I'm perfectly happy with an ari lunch.
I'm mostly fine with either
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #545 on: February 16, 2020, 03:08:00 pm »

people who have played with MiX before: is this typical of how he plays? i feel like with glooble d1, and now with raerae, i suspect someone, and then there MiX is, being all "hey, calm down, stop acting so scummy".

is that normal MiX?
Yeah, normal
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #546 on: February 16, 2020, 03:10:52 pm »

Wait, redirectors target both of their picks? I didn't expect that.

this post gives MiX townpoints btw

I’m also incredibly confused. After I have a handle on what the heck is going on I’ll say some more definitive stuff.

any questions you have that i/we can answer for you?
Does it really give him townpoints??
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #547 on: February 16, 2020, 03:15:10 pm »

Still standing by my position that there's scum in one of cayvie/raerae. Basically it's whoever is lying.

BUT if they're both town then ari seems next up. But to me ari's posts have been slightly more believable than either of cayvie/raerae so I'd rather not lynch him first.

vote: raerae but will gladly change my vote back to cayvie
Whats believable about Ari, I'm not seeing what you're seeing
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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #548 on: February 16, 2020, 03:18:38 pm »

Yeah, we name both targets.

I redirected pubby to Raerae.

If Joseph redirected me to Ari (instead of Rae), then Ari was redirected to raerae?

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Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #549 on: February 16, 2020, 03:21:37 pm »

Yeah, we name both targets.

I redirected pubby to Raerae.

If Joseph redirected me to Ari (instead of Rae), then Ari was redirected to raerae?

assuming no other redirections, then yep, i think you're right. it's the first person we target who gets redirected, not the second.

so ari targeted raerae and raerae targeted ari XD

didds, can i ask you the same question i asked joseph? if raerae is scum which 3 players would you guess are most likely to be scum!raerae's partners?
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