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[EFHW]

I don't know how Archetype will feel about this, but there is an argument for lynching him. Shraeye then is IC or caught scum.

[EFHW]

vote: Archetype,  since time is short.

[shraeye]

vote: Archetype,  since time is short.

Nah, do Galz

[Archetype]

I like best that Galz-"did-not-check-with-mod"-ria, who is normally a VERY analytical player who does amazingly deep re-reads of the thread didn't notice that the Final Vote count was last corrected 30 minutes after DatSwan pointed out that I was on two people, didn't bother to check that things were updated 2 days before his policy vote, and didn't reread or examine anything before he dove into the deep end on "shraeye hasn't confirmed anything so is scum".

If Galz cared about scumhunting in this scenario, he would realize that
A) pointing out a double-voter isn't necessary
B) things had been clearly edited to show I wasn't
C) not responding to his question (or DatSwan's observation) was unconventional and thus easy to paint as scummy, but also something that scum would NEVER DO because of the attention it would bring

so, for emphasis,
vote: Galz

You don’t think this is too weak of a case for scum!Galzria to push? The vote count is pretty obviously a mod mistake imo and I would think Galzria would see that if he wasn’t town.

[Archetype]

I don't know how Archetype will feel about this, but there is an argument for lynching him. Shraeye then is IC or caught scum.

Sounds like a poor attempt to get attention off of a scum partner.

[EFHW]

You don't want to be IC?

It is a bit of a crazy plan. It depends on there being some kind of protection for town!Shraeye.

[EFHW]

I don't know how Archetype will feel about this, but there is an argument for lynching him. Shraeye then is IC or caught scum.

Sounds like a poor attempt to get attention off of a scum partner.

Who is the theoretical scum partner?

[EFHW]

I like best that Galz-"did-not-check-with-mod"-ria, who is normally a VERY analytical player who does amazingly deep re-reads of the thread didn't notice that the Final Vote count was last corrected 30 minutes after DatSwan pointed out that I was on two people, didn't bother to check that things were updated 2 days before his policy vote, and didn't reread or examine anything before he dove into the deep end on "shraeye hasn't confirmed anything so is scum".

If Galz cared about scumhunting in this scenario, he would realize that
A) pointing out a double-voter isn't necessary
B) things had been clearly edited to show I wasn't
C) not responding to his question (or DatSwan's observation) was unconventional and thus easy to paint as scummy, but also something that scum would NEVER DO because of the attention it would bring

so, for emphasis,
vote: Galz

You don’t think this is too weak of a case for scum!Galzria to push? The vote count is pretty obviously a mod mistake imo and I would think Galzria would see that if he wasn’t town.

It is a bit weird that he didn't take the corrections into account or ask faust.

[Galzria]

Day 1 Final Vote Count

Galzria (3): SpaceAnemone, shraeye, LaLight
Glooble (1): Awaclus
LaLight (7): popsofctown, shraeye, Glooble, DatSwan, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, Galzria
A Drowned Kernel (1): jotheonah
jotheonah (2): Archetype, A Drowned Kernel

Not Voting (0)


With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

Space, this was the final vote. It doesn’t match your order. Galz was the hammer, not ADK. Shraeye is listed twice (on LL and Galz) so I’m guessing that was the vote faust missed initially.

In my defense, I was basing it off of this post, which was made on January 2nd, well after the day began, and after the corrected missing vote - Datswan’s - that wasn’t on the initial end of day VC. That was the vote that was missing that caused a no-lynch to change into a lynch.

The further correction that Shraeye now points out didn’t occur until January 3rd. Note the latest edit date of Faust on that post. No, I had not gone back AGAIN to check for yet a further correction.

Vote: Archetype

[Archetype]

Vote: joth

Townier people were in favor of him yesterday where the LaLight lynch was pushed.

PPE:

I don't know how Archetype will feel about this, but there is an argument for lynching him. Shraeye then is IC or caught scum.

Sounds like a poor attempt to get attention off of a scum partner.

Who is the theoretical scum partner?

Joth. I agree with, I think pops, who said a joth/EFHW pairing is likely.

[WestCoastDidds]

You don't want to be IC?

It is a bit of a crazy plan. It depends on there being some kind of protection for town!Shraeye.

Ohhhh.....crazy plan! Vote: Archetype

[EFHW]

Day 1 Final Vote Count

Galzria (2): SpaceAnemone, LaLight
Glooble (1): Awaclus
LaLight (7): popsofctown, shraeye, Glooble, DatSwan, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, Galzria
A Drowned Kernel (1): jotheonah
jotheonah (2): Archetype, A Drowned Kernel

Not Voting (0)

With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

Corrected Jan 3rd

[EFHW]

Sorry, I see you just posted that.

[EFHW]

How many of the Shraeye voters were just following Galz?

[Archetype]

So EFHW, do you think I’m scum or town?

[EFHW]

We're headed for no lynch.

@Archetype, I think you are probably town. Your role isn't otherwise helpful to us, unless there is more you haven't told us, and you aren't participating much.

[EFHW]

I admit my suggestion is controversial. People could argue that an IC isn't worth a dead townie. Obviously, caught scum would be.

[Archetype]

We're headed for no lynch.

@Archetype, I think you are probably town. Your role isn't otherwise helpful to us, unless there is more you haven't told us, and you aren't participating much.

There’s much more to it, just no reason to put it out there at this moment

I’m participating more than, say, Awaclus who has only placed opportunistic votes.

[EFHW]

We're headed for no lynch.

@Archetype, I think you are probably town. Your role isn't otherwise helpful to us, unless there is more you haven't told us, and you aren't participating much.

I can think of a scum narrative for you as well. Kind of far-fetched.

[Archetype]

I admit my suggestion is controversial. People could argue that an IC isn't worth a dead townie. Obviously, caught scum would be.

I think it’s a pretty heavy-handed scum one than controversial town one. All it takes is the scum team having a strongman (or town having no protection) and that’s two townies dead.

[EFHW]

I admit my suggestion is controversial. People could argue that an IC isn't worth a dead townie. Obviously, caught scum would be.

I think it’s a pretty heavy-handed scum one than controversial town one. All it takes is the scum team having a strongman (or town having no protection) and that’s two townies dead.

It's not just my decision.  If it's a stupid plan, people won't vote for you.

[EFHW]

If this plan is too cold hearted, pls say so. Archetype just came back and I don't want him to feel unwelcome

[popsofctown]

vote jotheonah. I'd be ok with galz too but I think the Archetype reasoning is closer to crazy dumb than crazy smart.

[Galzria]

Catching up.

Want to get this out there: I’m a Death Miller/miller and share the same alignment as shraeye in investigation and in my death. Faust also said my flip will include my Miller role.

Does this mean that if you are investigated, Shraeye's alignment will be revealed instead? Or the same alignment as would be reported for Shraeye (which may or may not be accurate)? Why is your flip important?

The latter of the two. And that’s just so you know what to expect if I were to die.

Are you going to flip looking like mafia or looking like Shraeye? Why him? Did you choose or were you simply informed?

Archetype - did you answer this?

My alignment will be whatever shraeye’s is. I also don’t think shraeye is scum.

I mean...

Miller, by definition if you’re Town, simply means you investigate as scum. Death Miller means you’ll flip as scum as well as investigate as scum. It’s generally considered a bastard or even beyond bastard role - but even setting that point aside, you’re saying you know for a FACT that Shraeye would also investigate as scum... without knowing whether or not Shraeye is himself also a Miller? Which... doesn’t it seem strange to have two Miller’s in the game? Or given your other knowledge does this seem somewhat more likely than usual to you?

[Galzria]

Back to vote: Shraeye.

Archetype has essentially claimed “scum” (to investigate and flip as scum anyway), but has claimed to be town whose anti-power causes this.

Either he IS scum, in which case arguing such and lynching him is perfectly valid, or he’s Town. But if he’s Town, then his flip and claim thusfar tell us nothing about Shraeye. They cannot IC Shraeye... because even if Archetype is Town & truthful all he’s really told us is that Shraeye will investigate as scum...

However, flipping Shraeye COULD give us information on Archetype. If Shraeye flips as scum or some sort of Miller variant, then it at least tells us that there’s some truth to what Archetype has said. And if Shraeye flips green with no Miller variant, then Archetype is most likely scum himself.