As before, I think there's a good chance that Joth is scum, but it's especially backed up by the way MiX behaved on the Joth wagon at the end of D1.
You're going to have to explain that some more.
Okay, so mid-D1 there's stuff like #375, where MiX just paints Joth as super-townie. He doubles down on it at #379. At that point in the game, Joth and Galz have the leading wagons at three apiece. When pressured, he makes a couple of posts that say that Joth isn't as townie as he'd thought (#391, #392), but he doesn't vote, only pretend-votes. Note that these involve doing what apparently amounts to a comprehensive Joth-read.
MiX votes Shraeye at #440 and then immediately moves to Joth at #441, but with an instruction to the game at large not to hammer (though it was only taking Joth to 5 votes, the first four being Galz, me, LL and Shraeye). At #452 he uses not having re-read enough as a reason not to unvote Joth, i.e. something he can undo by claiming to have read things at any moment to justify flinching from the wagon. And also, what does he think happened between #392 and here that negate the careful re-read he already claimed he did? At #458 he says he was re-reading, and was voting Joth to add pressure while doing the re-read.
I don't like #484 at all:
We need joth here. But I think the objectively better thing to do here is
Vote: shraeye
And hope everything works out? I was reading joth, going to read shraeye next.
I admit that MiX's jump back to Joth at #500 doesn't fully fit with the thread of either saying Joth's town or half-heartedly saying he might be scummy but more reading is needed. However, I think he's also trying to sew confusion that keeps people away from the Joth wagon, since those of us toughing it out there have made it clear we prefer Joth over Shraeye.
At #521 he votes ADK with some very weird and jumpy reasoning. This was around 4.5 hours till deadline (assuming LL is correct at #524), and ADK at that point had no wagon. This was not helpful consolidating townie behaviour.
#525: MiX seems to be whiteknighting Shraeye, and calls the Joth wagon "okay-ish", but seems very focused on finding some other alternative. Again, this is really close to deadline: far too close for many players to be likely to make a switch. Plus, he's still going on about needing to re-read.
#531 And back to Joth again, after making a fuss over ADK with a false accusation about voting patterns.
#544 Uses a quote from Joseph to move back to Shraeye. That's a super-weak reason, and not one I'd expect from someone doing so much re-reading. Given that I was particularly invested in the Joth wagon because I actually scumread Joth, it was annoying to see such poor reasoning from someone who's talking so much about re-reading!
Then there's this:
Space Count
Shraeye (7): A Drowned Kernel, faust, Joseph2302, WestCoastDidds, jotheonah, Maxford, MiX
jotheonah (5): Galzria, SpaceAnemone, LaLight, raerae, Eevee
faust (1): Shraeye
Not Voting (1): Xxraptorslayer96
So Shraeye is at L-1, and MiX jumped off Joth the moment the wagons evened up, which might be telling for later.
Oh, and at #555 there's me explaining why MiX's voting whims were not helpful. And it goes on with MiX jumping around, facilitating Joth's claim a bit, then being back on Shraeye again for deadline. I was in no way surprised that MiX flipped scum, and as I said at the time, it specifically seemed like MiX was protecting Joth. I think given that I had an independent pre-existing suspicion on Joth anyway, and now know that MiX flipped scum, it's entirely reasonable to strengthen my estimate of how likely Joth is to be scum as a result.
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