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[faust]

Vote: joth

[shraeye]

Seems my last vote didn't work.

Vote: ADK

[jotheonah]

unofficial VC

        ADK (3): shraeye, Joth, LaLight
        Joth(3): MiX, Galz, faust
        Joseph(1): Eevee
        Shraeye(1): ADK
        Raptor(1): Space
        Eevee(1): RaeRae
        Galzria(1): Raptor
        RaeRae(1): Joseph
        MiX (1): Didds
        Didds (1): Joseph

Not Voting (1): Maxford


That was a towny explanation from ADK. As much as I hate to make myself the top wagon by moving my vote, I don't like it there much.

vote: MiX

[MiX]

That was a towny explanation from ADK. As much as I hate to make myself the top wagon by moving my vote, I don't like it there much.

vote: MiX

At LEAST do something that lets me untunnel man. Why do I get the vote?

[A Drowned Kernel]

unofficial VC

        ADK (3): shraeye, Joth, LaLight
        Joth(3): MiX, Galz, faust
        Joseph(1): Eevee
        Shraeye(1): ADK
        Raptor(1): Space
        Eevee(1): RaeRae
        Galzria(1): Raptor
        RaeRae(1): Joseph
        MiX (1): Didds
        Didds (1): Joseph

Not Voting (1): Maxford


That was a towny explanation from ADK. As much as I hate to make myself the top wagon by moving my vote, I don't like it there much.

vote: MiX

joseph is on that vote count twice (he's currently voting for raerae I believe) and raptor should be on joseph

[A Drowned Kernel]

actually faust's point is both relevant and irrelevant to my reaction.

When I saw shraeye claim I immediately wanted to vote for him, because why the hell would you~

Then I didn't because, well, why would scum do it. If I was scum, and shraeye would be town, I would vote for him, I am pretty sure. So, well, vote: ADK seems awesome to me!

Also Space is clearly town!Space.

Also L-2 I think?

Why is space town? I'm genuinely curious, space is a player that I have a null read on 90% of the time, including now

[A Drowned Kernel]

I would vote for joth if people really don't want to join me on shraeye. His mix vote is pretty lazy and he's self-consciously mention the size of his own wagon twice now I think

[WestCoastDidds]

I would vote for joth if people really don't want to join me on shraeye. His mix vote is pretty lazy and he's self-consciously mention the size of his own wagon twice now I think

Do you think he’s scummy, though?

[A Drowned Kernel]

I would vote for joth if people really don't want to join me on shraeye. His mix vote is pretty lazy and he's self-consciously mention the size of his own wagon twice now I think

Do you think he’s scummy, though?

Yes, for the reasons I said

[jotheonah]

Wouldn't leaving my vote on you be lazier?

I think my MiX vote is fine. I agree with Didds that MiX is playing off-meta. He's playing lazy. And his case on me is garbage.

And like, yeah, I'm concerned about getting lynched. Guilty. Sue me. Consider: there may be reasons for this other than me being scum.

[MiX]

I'm just gonna

Unvote

And assume I'm right about something.

I think my MiX vote is fine. I agree with Didds that MiX is playing off-meta. He's playing lazy. And his case on me is garbage.

Yes, yes I am, sorry, I haven't been getting into this game as much as I'd like. And I think Didds is towny for spoting that. You're still lazier.

[jotheonah]

I'll also unvote. Meh y'all are too towny. Someone do something overtly scummy plz.

[Maxford]

Ok, so, maybe I should lay out what I was thinking with the whole flavor/shraeye thing

There was some discussion going on about whether or not there could be a connection between flavor name or role. There's nothing in the setup post indicating either way. People who have PRs might have insight into whether or not that's the case. If there's a lot of discussion of the subject, those people could inadvertently slip and reveal info to scum. Given that there doesn't seem to be any real benefit to the discussion, it made sense to me to say that we just shouldn't talk about it

shraeye then, in direct response to that, claims his flavor name. This action pretty much baits people into discussing the subject again, because it's a very ostentatious move, while allowing him cover behind "lol I'm just being wacky town". It's very similar to what I did in the Falling Skies game when I claimed my number right off the bat, basically because I wanted people to talk about numbers and flavor so that I could narrow down who my lynchee was. It's PR hunting with plausible deniability, which to me reads as extremely scummy

I'll look at some of these other wagons tomorrow morning, but I am honestly super happy with my shraeye vote and invite people to join me there

This sounds highly reasonable to me.

Also, I'm not quite sure why people are reading Space as towny. Admittedly, I've got a bias towards them -as in I have a vivid impression of them in my head, so it's easier to find connections between the things they say - but I find it strange that they first gave faust a one day pass because they thought faust would be an asset to town either way, and then gave faust towny points when they got the probabilities of people being scum right. It seems like a slight inconsistency, and, at least in real life mafia-like games, that's what I look for in scummy players.

vote: Space

(As a caveat, I'm still not super confident in my vote, and I'm mostly voting against Space to give them a chance to explain their behavior.)

[faust]

I find it strange that they first gave faust a one day pass because they thought faust would be an asset to town either way, and then gave faust towny points when they got the probabilities of people being scum right. It seems like a slight inconsistency, and, at least in real life mafia-like games, that's what I look for in scummy players.

I'm not sure what the inconsistency here is. Can you explain?

[Maxford]

I find it strange that they first gave faust a one day pass because they thought faust would be an asset to town either way, and then gave faust towny points when they got the probabilities of people being scum right. It seems like a slight inconsistency, and, at least in real life mafia-like games, that's what I look for in scummy players.

I'm not sure what the inconsistency here is. Can you explain?

Sure. It is inconsistent to think of you as someone who's good at data analysis and probabilities, even when scum, and also think you would make a mistake in probabilities as a scum. Does that make sense?

[MiX]

Ok, so, maybe I should lay out what I was thinking with the whole flavor/shraeye thing

There was some discussion going on about whether or not there could be a connection between flavor name or role. There's nothing in the setup post indicating either way. People who have PRs might have insight into whether or not that's the case. If there's a lot of discussion of the subject, those people could inadvertently slip and reveal info to scum. Given that there doesn't seem to be any real benefit to the discussion, it made sense to me to say that we just shouldn't talk about it

shraeye then, in direct response to that, claims his flavor name. This action pretty much baits people into discussing the subject again, because it's a very ostentatious move, while allowing him cover behind "lol I'm just being wacky town". It's very similar to what I did in the Falling Skies game when I claimed my number right off the bat, basically because I wanted people to talk about numbers and flavor so that I could narrow down who my lynchee was. It's PR hunting with plausible deniability, which to me reads as extremely scummy

I'll look at some of these other wagons tomorrow morning, but I am honestly super happy with my shraeye vote and invite people to join me there

This sounds highly reasonable to me.

Also, I'm not quite sure why people are reading Space as towny. Admittedly, I've got a bias towards them -as in I have a vivid impression of them in my head, so it's easier to find connections between the things they say - but I find it strange that they first gave faust a one day pass because they thought faust would be an asset to town either way, and then gave faust towny points when they got the probabilities of people being scum right. It seems like a slight inconsistency, and, at least in real life mafia-like games, that's what I look for in scummy players.

vote: Space

(As a caveat, I'm still not super confident in my vote, and I'm mostly voting against Space to give them a chance to explain their behavior.)

That's quite literally the easiest vote you could've made this game! Do you have any other reads?

[WestCoastDidds]

I would vote for joth if people really don't want to join me on shraeye. His mix vote is pretty lazy and he's self-consciously mention the size of his own wagon twice now I think

Do you think he’s scummy, though?

Yes, for the reasons I said

Ah, I thought those were reasons he was lazy, not scummy.

I see Joth doing more work than some other folks. Maybe some of the votes are lazy, but’s he’s not.

[faust]

I find it strange that they first gave faust a one day pass because they thought faust would be an asset to town either way, and then gave faust towny points when they got the probabilities of people being scum right. It seems like a slight inconsistency, and, at least in real life mafia-like games, that's what I look for in scummy players.

I'm not sure what the inconsistency here is. Can you explain?

Sure. It is inconsistent to think of you as someone who's good at data analysis and probabilities, even when scum, and also think you would make a mistake in probabilities as a scum. Does that make sense?

I mean, you only have to think that there's a nonzero probability of me getting it wrong... it might be a very weak read, but I don't think there's anything inconsistent about it.

[jotheonah]

I would vote for joth if people really don't want to join me on shraeye. His mix vote is pretty lazy and he's self-consciously mention the size of his own wagon twice now I think

Do you think he’s scummy, though?

Yes, for the reasons I said

Ah, I thought those were reasons he was lazy, not scummy.

I see Joth doing more work than some other folks. Maybe some of the votes are lazy, but’s he’s not.

That's nice of you to say, but I have been kind of lazy this game. Maybe I bit off two much with simultaneous games, maybe I just don't love day 1. In any event, laziness is not a scumtell. Idk why we're acting like it is. Scum is both actually working hard and more concerned with looking like they're working hard.

[faust]

In any event, laziness is not a scumtell. Idk why we're acting like it is. Scum is both actually working hard and more concerned with looking like they're working hard.

The day that the meta on this site shifts to "lurking is a towntell" is the day I will stop playing. Town should definitely be working at least as hard as scum.

[jotheonah]

In any event, laziness is not a scumtell. Idk why we're acting like it is. Scum is both actually working hard and more concerned with looking like they're working hard.

The day that the meta on this site shifts to "lurking is a towntell" is the day I will stop playing. Town should definitely be working at least as hard as scum.

Lurking is a nothing-tell. But on day 1, town is in a very different headspace than scum. It's the day when town has zero info and scum has lots of info. So town is more likely to be kind of overwhelmed and adrift-- they have nothing to work with. Scum has to imitate that but actually they know exactly who's scum and who they need to avoid lynching.

I'm not saying laziness is good or should be rewarded. I'm saying it's understandable on day 1, and on balance more likely to come from town.

[MiX]

I find it strange that they first gave faust a one day pass because they thought faust would be an asset to town either way, and then gave faust towny points when they got the probabilities of people being scum right. It seems like a slight inconsistency, and, at least in real life mafia-like games, that's what I look for in scummy players.

I'm not sure what the inconsistency here is. Can you explain?

Sure. It is inconsistent to think of you as someone who's good at data analysis and probabilities, even when scum, and also think you would make a mistake in probabilities as a scum. Does that make sense?

I mean, you only have to think that there's a nonzero probability of me getting it wrong... it might be a very weak read, but I don't think there's anything inconsistent about it.

I think this is lower than the odds of you doing that as town, so if anything it's a scumtell??

In any event, laziness is not a scumtell. Idk why we're acting like it is. Scum is both actually working hard and more concerned with looking like they're working hard.

The day that the meta on this site shifts to "lurking is a towntell" is the day I will stop playing. Town should definitely be working at least as hard as scum.

That ship has sailed when I arrived and got votes every game based on being active. And it will burn when you're ever lynched D1, but we're all trying to not let that happen.

In any event, laziness is not a scumtell. Idk why we're acting like it is. Scum is both actually working hard and more concerned with looking like they're working hard.

The day that the meta on this site shifts to "lurking is a towntell" is the day I will stop playing. Town should definitely be working at least as hard as scum.

Lurking is a nothing-tell. But on day 1, town is in a very different headspace than scum. It's the day when town has zero info and scum has lots of info. So town is more likely to be kind of overwhelmed and adrift-- they have nothing to work with. Scum has to imitate that but actually they know exactly who's scum and who they need to avoid lynching.

I'm not saying laziness is good or should be rewarded. I'm saying it's understandable on day 1, and on balance more likely to come from town.

Everything comes more from town...

[faust]

Lurking is a nothing-tell.
[...]
 on balance more likely to come from town.

So which is it?

[MiX]

Lurking is a nothing-tell.
[...]
 on balance more likely to come from town.

So which is it?

Do you want to lynch joth today?

[faust]

Lurking is a nothing-tell.
[...]
 on balance more likely to come from town.

So which is it?

Do you want to lynch joth today?

Maybe.