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[SpaceAnemone]

What's the ADK case?

What's the case for anyone ever D1
D1 is a crapshoot, that we have a 4/14 chance of winning

@Joseph, why are you the one to answer MiX's question here? The people you have voted for so far are me, Didds and Joth.

Isn't there something to be gained by leaving the people voting for ADK to answer the question, or at least seeing if they want to/are willing to?

PPE 1

[MiX]

I wanted a reaction from joth. And everyone else, really. Also it's as pure of a reaction as I could give to that post. It did, genually, make me laugh.

Thanks for the compliment!

What's the ADK case?

What's the case for anyone ever D1
D1 is a crapshoot, that we have a 4/14 chance of winning

@Joseph, why are you the one to answer MiX's question here? The people you have voted for so far are me, Didds and Joth.

Isn't there something to be gained by leaving the people voting for ADK to answer the question, or at least seeing if they want to/are willing to?

PPE 1

So, can you answer it?

[WestCoastDidds]

Thanks for the compliment!

It's well deserved

[SpaceAnemone]

What's the ADK case?

What's the case for anyone ever D1
D1 is a crapshoot, that we have a 4/14 chance of winning

@Joseph, why are you the one to answer MiX's question here? The people you have voted for so far are me, Didds and Joth.

Isn't there something to be gained by leaving the people voting for ADK to answer the question, or at least seeing if they want to/are willing to?

PPE 1

So, can you answer it?

Is that question directed at me?

Here's the current Space Count, in case it's useful:

Shraeye (1): A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (4): faust, raerae, jotheonah, Shraeye
jotheonah (4): LaLight, Eevee, Joseph2302, MiX
Xxraptorslayer96 (1): SpaceAnemone
MiX (1): WestCoastDidds
Galzria (1): Xxraptorslayer96
SpaceAnemone (1): Galzria
Not Voting (1): Maxford

[faust]

What's the ADK case?

What do you think about ADK?

[MiX]

What's the ADK case?

What do you think about ADK?

Town.

[faust]

What's the ADK case?

What do you think about ADK?

Town.

Thanks. I'm voting ADK because of this:

I don't see any reason to think that prs are tied to specific cards but more importantly people should stop talking about it

I'm the seven of spades

vote: shraeye

I think that reaction to the flavor claim is more likely to come from scum.

[jotheonah]

I think I've articulated as much of an ADK case as anyone, and it's a way better articulated case than the one on me, which, if it was ever expressed in the least, I missed it.

So, yeah, what's the joth case? LMK so I can blow it up.

[raerae]

What's the ADK case?

No case from me, thought that was pretty clear considering my vote. I voted to see how it would play out.  Based on that,

Vote: Eevee

[Joseph2302]

Vote: raerae

[raerae]

Vote: raerae

Well, that's fun! Care to expand?

[Maxford]

What's the ADK case?

What do you think about ADK?

Town.

Thanks. I'm voting ADK because of this:

I don't see any reason to think that prs are tied to specific cards but more importantly people should stop talking about it

I'm the seven of spades

vote: shraeye

I think that reaction to the flavor claim is more likely to come from scum.

Can someone tell me if flavor usually plays a large role in mafia games? And also I don't see why this reaction to the flavor claim is more likely to come from scum? is this obvious to other people?

[raerae]

What's the ADK case?

What do you think about ADK?

Town.

Thanks. I'm voting ADK because of this:

I don't see any reason to think that prs are tied to specific cards but more importantly people should stop talking about it

I'm the seven of spades

vote: shraeye

I think that reaction to the flavor claim is more likely to come from scum.

Can someone tell me if flavor usually plays a large role in mafia games? And also I don't see why this reaction to the flavor claim is more likely to come from scum? is this obvious to other people?

Flavor is game dependent, just depends how the mod designed it.

[shraeye]

vote: ADK

Also, general message to all.  My apologies for being very bad with using correct pronouns.  It's something that I know I need to get better at, which I suppose is Step 1.

I thought you were opposed to the votes on me

Not really, just pointing out raerae's true intention in my roundabout nobody-probably-noticed way. 

To be clearer, that made me go "huh, raerae and ADK..."

[jotheonah]

Can someone tell me if flavor usually plays a large role in mafia games? And also I don't see why this reaction to the flavor claim is more likely to come from scum? is this obvious to other people?

Flavor is game dependent, just depends how the mod designed it.

It's generally considered poor mod form to make flavor too obviously correlated with roles because that can make a mass claim game-breaking. So let's say I was running OG Star Wars mafia and I gave the town the roles of Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Obi-Wan, Lando, Yoda, and the droids and I made the scum Darth Vader, Tarkin, and Emperor Palpatine. Well, if everyone claims scum is in trouble, even if I gave them fake claims like Admiral Ackbar or Wedge Antilles, because everyone else got real main characters and they didn't.

But there's 52 cards in a deck of cards and they're more or less of equal importance so there's plenty of fake claims to go around here and not much to be learned from flavor names IMO. The cards do have relationships to each other that could be flavor-indicative -- maybe all the 7s are masons together or something. But really, I tend to think this is like one of the least flavor-relevant games you could play.

My opinion is that scum is very happy to engage in a day 1 discussion about the merits of flavor-claiming, on either side really, because it's a great way to participate and look active without scumhunting or committing to anything. Scum is not super likely to throw out a claim willy-nilly like Shraeye did because as scum it's generally better to (A) not draw attention to yourself and (B) keep your claim options as open as possible. But there's something in mafia we call WIFOM, short for Wine in Front of Me, an allusion to this high-water mark of American cinema.

In mafia, WIFOM means that whenever you can lay out an argument for why scum wouldn't do something, you can also make the counterargument that they would do it for exactly that reason. So maybe Shraeye threw out his fake claim early hoping for free towncred. That makes it hard to draw particularly definitive conclusions from Shraeye's behavior.

This went a lot of places, but hopefully it's helpful.

[jotheonah]

So I can't speak for faust, but maybe he thinks that ADK's reaction is scummy because it looks like an easy grab for town points that might also turn into a good mislynch.

[shraeye]

Ah, but if throwing out my claim is obviously a calculated play to collect town-cred, then a good scum player would never make such a glaringly ungenuine play.

Therefore, I am clearly town.

[Eevee]

What's the ADK case?

No case from me, thought that was pretty clear considering my vote. I voted to see how it would play out.  Based on that,

Vote: Eevee

Was your plan to just vote for whoever voted for you? Seems kind of easy.

[raerae]

What's the ADK case?

No case from me, thought that was pretty clear considering my vote. I voted to see how it would play out.  Based on that,

Vote: Eevee

Was your plan to just vote for whoever voted for you? Seems kind of easy.

I was mostly just looking to see if a wagon would form and if judge people based on that. Your reaction was that ADK was obvtown for calling for wagons. That's weirder than the other stuff I saw.

[LaLight]

actually faust's point is both relevant and irrelevant to my reaction.

When I saw shraeye claim I immediately wanted to vote for him, because why the hell would you~

Then I didn't because, well, why would scum do it. If I was scum, and shraeye would be town, I would vote for him, I am pretty sure. So, well, vote: ADK seems awesome to me!

Also Space is clearly town!Space.

Also L-2 I think?

[Eevee]

What's the ADK case?

No case from me, thought that was pretty clear considering my vote. I voted to see how it would play out.  Based on that,

Vote: Eevee

Was your plan to just vote for whoever voted for you? Seems kind of easy.

I was mostly just looking to see if a wagon would form and if judge people based on that. Your reaction was that ADK was obvtown for calling for wagons. That's weirder than the other stuff I saw.

I don’t think you’d genuinely believe that I’d call an experienced player obvtown based on a day 1 post of two lines (I didn’t). Are you purposefully twisting my words to make me look scummy?

[Eevee]

Still not sure if shraeye was serious with his claim or not. I could see townshraeye surmising that
scum would be unlikely to dare to claim like that, and decide it’s a good move to make as town (fwiw, I think it probably isn’t.)

I could also see scumshraeye going one step further, but would weigh it a little less likely.

[raerae]

I'll just leave this right here for ya. You're right, I exaggerated, you only said "towny." But it seemed you took my vote serious enough to use ADK's townieness as a reason to vote for me. I'm good with my vote where it is.

Vote: raerae I think ADK's post was towny.

[raerae]

And we'll just add ADK's quote in for reference as well.

These posts are part of an extended running gag wherein faust and shraeye treat explaining a joke as enhancing its humor value when in fact the generally-accepted wisdom is the opposite.

And a way better alternative to when they fight! The fighting makes me nervous. Which I think is really interesting because I was a debater and then a debate coach for years and years. So thumbs up on shraust (or fauseye?) harmony!

This game could use less harmony if you ask me. Let's get some wagons going

[MiX]

So, yeah, what's the joth case? LMK so I can blow it up.

What have you done other than "develop" your read on ADK? I forgot. That's basically my case, I normally remember alignment-indicative-looking things you do, but you barely have any of them here. Oh, and how your wall posts are about nothing.