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[faust]

I call raerae/Eevee/Galzria.

Well at least I'll go back and see if MiX's actions are compatible with these guys being scum.

For that to be the team, then Shraeye's wagon would have had to have been six townies voting for a town, with the seventh vote cast by the traitor, while all the scums were weirdly focused on getting Joth lynched, even before his claim.

Not saying that getting Joth lynched didn't look like a good option at the time -- it was the one I was pushing for -- but why would the scum team not take the easy choice and switch to Shraeye?

This is a misrepresentation; neither raerae nor Eevee were on the joth wagon. So what it looks like more is that scum didn't care which town was lynched and just let town battle it out.

[faust]

I think I'm against no lynch today.

Vote: Eevee

[faust]

Wait, I got times mixed up and that joth's claim happened earlier... so yeah, raerae and Eevee actually piled on the joth wagon pretty late when it had little chance of succeeding... which seems like the move to do if you don't want to drop the hammer. But it's hard to say how it would have gone and putting all the scum on one wagon is a bit of a risky move.

So... the next person I would include in my scums list then would be Maxford, which leads to an interesting question of whether Maxford/Galzria make sense as a scum team in the light of today's developments. I think they do. I think Eevee is definitely the scummiest, and it's probably raerae who I'd have to replace by Maxford.

[Maxford]

Wait, I got times mixed up and that joth's claim happened earlier... so yeah, raerae and Eevee actually piled on the joth wagon pretty late when it had little chance of succeeding... which seems like the move to do if you don't want to drop the hammer. But it's hard to say how it would have gone and putting all the scum on one wagon is a bit of a risky move.

So... the next person I would include in my scums list then would be Maxford, which leads to an interesting question of whether Maxford/Galzria make sense as a scum team in the light of today's developments. I think they do. I think Eevee is definitely the scummiest, and it's probably raerae who I'd have to replace by Maxford.

This still makes me think faust is my best bet in finding scum... also I don't know what to think about Galzria anymore.

[SpaceAnemone]

Here's a quick summary of faust's D2 voting:
 1. Spends most of the earlier parts of D2 on Eevee, who's the biggest non-faust alternative to MiX. (Though we're only talking 2-3-person wagons here).
 2. Switches to LL, evidently to push a lurker lynch. I felt like we had more evidence than just to go for a lurker at that stage in the game.
 3. Switches to MiX only after it becomes apparent that he's really the traitor and is going down anyway.

It's not the greatest, but nor is it outright damning. What I'd wanted to be able to show was that, given the strong faust-or-Joseph vibe from the D1 wagons, faust looks convincingly more scummy than Joseph. Annoyingly, Joseph actually looks almost as iffy :-(

 1. Votes MiX in second place (after me).
 2. Almost immediately switches to Joth.
 3. Stays there on a two-person wagon (him and LL) till he moves to Galz.
 4. Moves off Galz and onto the MiX lynch wagon one space after faust.

I'm not drawing a strong conclusion either way here right now.. I probably need to look more at the D3 history too, even though that didn't end so well. However, I didn't want not to post the wagon stuff just because I didn't find it as compelling as I'd wanted to. I do still think the D1 faust-or-Joseph thing is very highly likely, though, and I did have more non-wagon quibbles with faust that I think were alignment-indicative.

[Galzria]

3. Switches to MiX only after [/b]it becomes apparent that he's really the traitor[/b] and is going down anyway.

.... Wasn’t only apparent he was the Traitor to Mafia prior to MiX’s flip?

[Galzria]

3. Switches to MiX only after it becomes apparent that he's really the traitor and is going down anyway.

.... Wasn’t only apparent he was the Traitor to Mafia prior to MiX’s flip?

[LaLight]

I don't want to claim yet

What's the difference between today and yesterday? You sure sounded like you were interested in dropping some knowledge on us then.

Well, it depended on whether people want to lunch me. I feel safer today

[LaLight]

I think I'm against no lynch today.

Vote: Eevee

Why, exactly?

[Galzria]

I don't want to claim yet

What's the difference between today and yesterday? You sure sounded like you were interested in dropping some knowledge on us then.

Well, it depended on whether people want to lunch me. I feel safer today

I’m curious though. You desire a delay on claiming, but you also suggest no-lynch. If you’re Town, given a soft-crumb off a PR, wouldn’t a no-lynch simply be asking to be NK’d?

[LaLight]

I don't want to claim yet

What's the difference between today and yesterday? You sure sounded like you were interested in dropping some knowledge on us then.

Well, it depended on whether people want to lunch me. I feel safer today

I’m curious though. You desire a delay on claiming, but you also suggest no-lynch. If you’re Town, given a soft-crumb off a PR, wouldn’t a no-lynch simply be asking to be NK’d?

yeah, why?

[Galzria]

I don't want to claim yet

What's the difference between today and yesterday? You sure sounded like you were interested in dropping some knowledge on us then.

Well, it depended on whether people want to lunch me. I feel safer today

I’m curious though. You desire a delay on claiming, but you also suggest no-lynch. If you’re Town, given a soft-crumb off a PR, wouldn’t a no-lynch simply be asking to be NK’d?

yeah, why?

/shrug

I think you know why, but I don’t think answering you (pressing you) is useful to anyone.

[Galzria]

3. Switches to MiX only after it becomes apparent that he's really the traitor and is going down anyway.

.... Wasn’t only apparent he was the Traitor to Mafia prior to MiX’s flip?

LaLight, what are your thoughts on this? Space exists in the player base that to me is the least likely to find scum given a one-and-done (LyLo) type vote. That is, I think Maxford is scum, I think there’s scum amongst {Joseph, Faust}, and I think there is scum amongst {the rest}. But this to me reads like Space had a predisposition to see the MiX lynch as being against Traitor!MiX, not Scum!MiX, something they would only see from a Mafia!Space perspective.

[LaLight]

3. Switches to MiX only after it becomes apparent that he's really the traitor and is going down anyway.

.... Wasn’t only apparent he was the Traitor to Mafia prior to MiX’s flip?

LaLight, what are your thoughts on this? Space exists in the player base that to me is the least likely to find scum given a one-and-done (LyLo) type vote. That is, I think Maxford is scum, I think there’s scum amongst {Joseph, Faust}, and I think there is scum amongst {the rest}. But this to me reads like Space had a predisposition to see the MiX lynch as being against Traitor!MiX, not Scum!MiX, something they would only see from a Mafia!Space perspective.

I think they were talking from scum!perspective of scum as if "after it becomes apparent to scum that MiX is a traitor".

[LaLight]

I don't want to claim yet

What's the difference between today and yesterday? You sure sounded like you were interested in dropping some knowledge on us then.

Well, it depended on whether people want to lunch me. I feel safer today

I’m curious though. You desire a delay on claiming, but you also suggest no-lynch. If you’re Town, given a soft-crumb off a PR, wouldn’t a no-lynch simply be asking to be NK’d?

yeah, why?

/shrug

I think you know why, but I don’t think answering you (pressing you) is useful to anyone.

Exactly

[Joseph2302]

I'm caught up and some preliminary thoughts are:

Space seems towny to me
LL seems towny, as they're kind of soft claiming PR. Which is faesible as we haven't seen that many PRs so far this game
I'm still finding faust scummy

[faust]

I think I'm against no lynch today.

Vote: Eevee

Why, exactly?

I think we still have a shot at blocking a nightkill.

[Swowl]

Vote Count 4.2:

faust (1): Maxford
Maxford (1): Galzria
Eevee (1): faust

Not Voting (5):  Joseph2302, Eevee, SpaceAnemone, LaLight, raerae


With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 4 ends on Friday, November 22nd, at 3:32pm EST.

[raerae]

I think I'm against no lynch today.

Vote: Eevee

Why, exactly?

I think we still have a shot at blocking a nightkill.

Seems unlikely considering our cop is dead. Pretty shitty of somebody to put us into MyLo instead of stopping the most obvious kill of the game. Or is this you soft-claiming too? Because I'm just here to say I don't believe either of you.

[SpaceAnemone]

Yeah, I wondered whether faust was softing something, but I also didn't want to be the one to say so first out loud. Though I think he's being obvious enough about it that even Maxford would have noticed something! (No offence, Ford, it's just that you're our newbie!).

[raerae]

Yeah, I wondered whether faust was softing something, but I also didn't want to be the one to say so first out loud. Though I think he's being obvious enough about it that even Maxford would have noticed something! (No offence, Ford, it's just that you're our newbie!).

Why are you watching what you say? If it's worth a call out, it's worth a call out.

[Maxford]

Yeah, I wondered whether faust was softing something, but I also didn't want to be the one to say so first out loud. Though I think he's being obvious enough about it that even Maxford would have noticed something! (No offence, Ford, it's just that you're our newbie!).

As a matter of fact, I did notice it.

[SpaceAnemone]

Yeah, I wondered whether faust was softing something, but I also didn't want to be the one to say so first out loud. Though I think he's being obvious enough about it that even Maxford would have noticed something! (No offence, Ford, it's just that you're our newbie!).

As a matter of fact, I did notice it.

Okay, so what did you assume he meant by it?

[Joseph2302]

My scum team thoughts are {Galz, faust, Eevee/Maxford}

[Maxford]

Yeah, I wondered whether faust was softing something, but I also didn't want to be the one to say so first out loud. Though I think he's being obvious enough about it that even Maxford would have noticed something! (No offence, Ford, it's just that you're our newbie!).

As a matter of fact, I did notice it.

Okay, so what did you assume he meant by it?

That maybe he could prevent a night kill