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[shraeye]

I'll pre-sheep DatSwan

Vote: EFHW

[faust]

I've decided that I would rather lynch off-wagon today. So I guess vote: DatSwan, this is a good deal of PoE.

How’s about EFHW instead? I stumbled on a case there while doing a re read. I’ll type it up shortly.

I liked her recent input, but feel free to convince me otherwise.

[raerae]

Vote: Jimmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Just for fun or you got some deets behind that?

[Uncleeurope]

Eh, read his posts.

Posting that you will post later gets old after awhile.

[Jimmmmm]

Some thoughts on raerae. Apologies if I rehash things that have been addressed already.

I AM A VENGEFUL TOWNY.

WHO SHOULD I KILL.

WHY SHOULDN'T IT BE SHRAEYE

HELP ME YOU BASTARDS

If you don't have any strong scum reads then the townie thing to do is nothing.

If I understand correctly, the crux of the argument against raerae is that this post was trying to prevent MiX from killing a partner of hers. A few points at this stage:
- This seems to be a reasonable point presented in the face of some amount of chaos.
- I don't see that there's a lot of effort taken here to control or manipulate MiX. It seems more likely that she was giving an option that maybe MiX hadn't considered.
- I don't know MiX super well, but I don't imagine he is someone who is likely to do as he's told in a situation like this. I think raerae knows this and was not really expecting her advice to be followed.

...
Nah that's worthless. Ok Ok Ok I need to THINK.

Nope, killing a townie because you just NEED to use your power is selfish and anti-town but you do you, boo.

I think something was made of the fact that raerae used the word "townie" in this post. I don't think this is anything more than her explaining why her suggestion which was thoroughly dismissed might be worth considering, ie "You might hit Town, and that would be bad".


Regarding the quickhammer thing: I don't think scum were given "permission" to quickhammer, and I really doubt that seeing "scum don't quickhammer on Day 1" is likely to change their behaviour in that regard. I'm not sure I'd even call it a quickhammer (I mean it was a quick hammer by shraeye, but not a "quickhammer" as I would use the word). Unless we have some reason to believe scum have Daychat, it can't have been coordinated - raerae had no reason to believe shraeye was about to hammer even if they are both scum. I think they should receive the normal amount of scrutiny for how it went down (which is not none).

raerae: Why did you think your vote made it L-2? Did you check? Did you consider unvoting when you realised it was L-1? Were you happy for the Day to be ended at that point?

shraeye: Why the hammer? Why not give MiX a chance to claim? Would you have done so given what you now know (particularly regarding the vengekill)?

[faust]

shraeye: Why the hammer? Why not give MiX a chance to claim?

I cut the day short because a) intense scumread, b) I'm always frustrated at the "vote to L1, claim/softclaim, everybody unvote, queue up the next L1 meta" c) I hate end-of-day scrambles.

[shraeye]

But that last question jimmm asked is new and exciting.

I'll make a deal. If you summarize what you think about raerae overall, I'll answer that neato question.

[raerae]

@jimmmmmmmm, I didn't check, I vaguely remembered it being at L-2 once but thought somebody had unvoted after that. shraeye's hammer was what told me it was actually L-1 but I probably wouldn't have done much different other than announced intent to put him at L-1 if I had realized.

[faust]

@jimmmmmmmm, I didn't check, I vaguely remembered it being at L-2 once but thought somebody had unvoted after that. shraeye's hammer was what told me it was actually L-1 but I probably wouldn't have done much different other than announced intent to put him at L-1 if I had realized.

Oh really cause I could have sworn it was this guy:

Vote: MiX

I think that's L-2?

If joth counted correctly then it's L-1.

[raerae]

@jimmmmmmmm, I didn't check, I vaguely remembered it being at L-2 once but thought somebody had unvoted after that. shraeye's hammer was what told me it was actually L-1 but I probably wouldn't have done much different other than announced intent to put him at L-1 if I had realized.

Oh really cause I could have sworn it was this guy:

Vote: MiX

I think that's L-2?

If joth counted correctly then it's L-1.

Cool, then it was you, sorry I didn't remember that and give you credit.

[faust]

It's kind of relevant because you saw that before shraeye hammered and decided not to unvote.

[raerae]

It's kind of relevant because you saw that before shraeye hammered and decided not to unvote.

I'm still fine with it. I put my vote down that close to the end because I felt he was scum. Had he had time to claim vig I probably still wouldn't have unvoted because I wouldn't have believed him. He lied as town, had time to explain his actions, and chose not to. I'm fine with that vote.

[EFHW]

It's kind of relevant because you saw that before shraeye hammered and decided not to unvote.

I'm still fine with it. I put my vote down that close to the end because I felt he was scum. Had he had time to claim vig I probably still wouldn't have unvoted because I wouldn't have believed him. He lied as town, had time to explain his actions, and chose not to. I'm fine with that vote.

He lied?

[raerae]

It's kind of relevant because you saw that before shraeye hammered and decided not to unvote.

I'm still fine with it. I put my vote down that close to the end because I felt he was scum. Had he had time to claim vig I probably still wouldn't have unvoted because I wouldn't have believed him. He lied as town, had time to explain his actions, and chose not to. I'm fine with that vote.

He lied?

Dude said he was lunch proof. Given that this is RMM it isn't out of the realm of possibility. I questioned him and he didn't respond. He said it was hyperbole after the hammer. Not a great time to clarify.

[EFHW]

It's kind of relevant because you saw that before shraeye hammered and decided not to unvote.

I'm still fine with it. I put my vote down that close to the end because I felt he was scum. Had he had time to claim vig I probably still wouldn't have unvoted because I wouldn't have believed him. He lied as town, had time to explain his actions, and chose not to. I'm fine with that vote.

He lied?

Dude said he was lunch proof. Given that this is RMM it isn't out of the realm of possibility. I questioned him and he didn't respond. He said it was hyperbole after the hammer. Not a great time to clarify.

Oh, I see. I took that as boasting about all the times he was almost lynched.

[jotheonah]

Ok, seeing no traction for a raerae lynch, I'm going to try vote: shraeye

[LaLight]

I like this. vote: shraeye

[Uncleeurope]

I like this. vote: shraeye

Careful, now. You don’t want to go around starting wagons without explaination.

[raerae]

I like this. vote: shraeye

Why?

[Awaclus]

Vote: LaLight

[Glooble]

"C'mon old sport," said Tibalt, munching on popcorn in the front of the crowd. "This must be cheering you up at least a little. I mean head jugglers!"

"Too much spectacle," said Ob Nixilis. "Also, the ending was just too telegraphed. That's just not good theater."

One of the heads flew into the audience and a goblin jumped up to catch it. Ob Nixilis reached out, grabbed the goblin, ripped his head off and absorbed his soul.

"Excellent," said Tibalt. "A 'twist' ending!"

"Ending?" said Ob Nixilis, standing up. "I'm just getting started."


Vote Count 2.3

DatSwan (2): Galzria, faust
raerae (1): DatSwan
Awaclus (1): gkrieg
LaLight (2): EFHW, Awaclus
Jimmmmmmm (1): UncleEurope
EFHW (1): shraeye
shraeye (2): jotheonah, LaLight
Not voting (2): raerae, Jimmmmmmmmm.

With 12 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. The day will end at 6:30 pm on Thursday, October 24th.

[EFHW]

Request prod on gkrieg. It's been 4 days.

[LaLight]

I like this. vote: shraeye

Why?

I don't feel like he's town. I think Eddie is scum, but for the life of me can't put this feeling into words and no one really cares about voting him. I would vote for you and shraeye as well

[Glooble]

Request prod on gkrieg. It's been 4 days.

Prod sent. I do have one replacement lined up if he doesn't get back to me.

[raerae]

I like this. vote: shraeye

Why?

I don't feel like he's town. I think Eddie is scum, but for the life of me can't put this feeling into words and no one really cares about voting him. I would vote for you and shraeye as well

Why do you feel he's scum? And if you've got something on Eddie let's hear it. People do tend to not be super interested in RVS D2 so putting something into words might be beneficial if you actually want to get that lunch through.