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Author Topic: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (Game over! Scum wins flawlessly.)  (Read 108933 times)

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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #675 on: October 24, 2019, 02:45:05 pm »

I purposely changed the exact wording of the quote so I would not break the rule. I did not copy paste.

Then why did you say that it contains those exact words?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #676 on: October 24, 2019, 02:46:14 pm »

My role contains the words "your alignment may become Gatewatch if certain criteria are met".

Can we get a modkill?

3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay. If you are not sure about your paraphrase, ask the mod first.

Datswan did not violate rule #3.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #677 on: October 24, 2019, 02:49:04 pm »

I purposely changed the exact wording of the quote so I would not break the rule. I did not copy paste.

Then why did you say that it contains those exact words?

because I typed it up, realized what I was doing while I was speed typing, and then went back and changed words that hold absolutely zero bearing to anyone strictly so that I would not break the rule.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #678 on: October 24, 2019, 02:51:18 pm »

My role contains the words "your alignment may become Gatewatch if certain criteria are met".

Can we get a modkill?

3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay. If you are not sure about your paraphrase, ask the mod first.

Datswan did not violate rule #3.

also obviously MODs have a certain amount of understanding when it comes to quoting from your Role PM. If they didn't half the field every game would get mod killed in like every game I have played when it came time for someone to claim.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #679 on: October 24, 2019, 02:51:47 pm »

that was directed at the game, not at you Glooble. Mis-Quote, sorry.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #680 on: October 24, 2019, 02:53:55 pm »

Ah, so Swan was lying. Well I personally think that fabricated quotes should be subject to the same rules as real ones - because because this way we get confirmation that this was a lie.

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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia
« Reply #681 on: October 24, 2019, 02:54:59 pm »

Of course Swan conveniently "changed the words" to exactly match the OP:

There are a handful of players in this game whose win conditions can change if certain conditions are met. However if this is a possibility for you, you will be told about it at the beginning of the game.

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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #682 on: October 24, 2019, 02:55:17 pm »

Vote: DatSwan
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #683 on: October 24, 2019, 02:57:10 pm »

faust you're being reductive.

Swan, you would say anything right now to not get lynched. But as the flavor guy ... this works. In the story, Lilliana is on Bolas's team at the beginning of the War of the Spark, but then switches sides at a pivotal moment and is instrumental in his defeat. I think. I'm actually a little fuzzy on the specifics.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #684 on: October 24, 2019, 02:57:42 pm »

and... that was the hammer wasn't it.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #685 on: October 24, 2019, 02:58:05 pm »

Ah, so Swan was lying. Well I personally think that fabricated quotes should be subject to the same rules as real ones - because because this way we get confirmation that this was a lie.

Vote: DatSwan

Swan is not lying. and the rule literally says "verbatim quoting". By changing one letter of one word, it is no longer "verbatim quoting"
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #686 on: October 24, 2019, 02:58:42 pm »

meh. well I guess it doesn't matter what I think anymore as I don't care who wins lol. Everything I said was true.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #687 on: October 24, 2019, 03:00:04 pm »

Ah, so Swan was lying. Well I personally think that fabricated quotes should be subject to the same rules as real ones - because because this way we get confirmation that this was a lie.

Vote: DatSwan

Swan is not lying. and the rule literally says "verbatim quoting". By changing one letter of one word, it is no longer "verbatim quoting"

1. I think it's pretty clear what the spirit of the rule is.
2. The rule even says "direct or verbatim quoting". I'd argue that it would still be a direct quote.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #688 on: October 24, 2019, 03:01:36 pm »

Ah, so Swan was lying. Well I personally think that fabricated quotes should be subject to the same rules as real ones - because because this way we get confirmation that this was a lie.

Vote: DatSwan

Swan is not lying. and the rule literally says "verbatim quoting". By changing one letter of one word, it is no longer "verbatim quoting"

1. I think it's pretty clear what the spirit of the rule is.
2. The rule even says "direct or verbatim quoting". I'd argue that it would still be a direct quote.

dude - I cleared it with Glooble.
It's ok, to each there own, and you were voting me for other reasons anyways. Not something I have a desire to argue about. I take your point, but in this game Glooble gets final say and they said it was ok.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #689 on: October 24, 2019, 03:03:29 pm »

Regardless of whether you're telling the truth or not, I still want to say that there is a good reason to have that rule, and that it shouldn't be taken lightly. But that's a discussion we can have after the game.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #690 on: October 24, 2019, 03:06:02 pm »

Regardless of whether you're telling the truth or not, I still want to say that there is a good reason to have that rule, and that it shouldn't be taken lightly. But that's a discussion we can have after the game.

for sure - and I do get your point. You'll be able to read the QT after the game. I assume it will make more sense then.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #691 on: October 24, 2019, 03:07:12 pm »

welp - good luck everyone! was super fun set up, wish I was around longer.

Thanks for the game Glooble.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #692 on: October 24, 2019, 03:07:47 pm »

I guess yelling at Awaclus for quickhammering is an inherently futile effort, but geez. We had 3.5 hours to talk about that claim.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #693 on: October 24, 2019, 03:08:31 pm »

Day 2 Final Vote Count

DatSwan (6): Galzria, raerae, EFHW, gkrieg, faust, Awaclus
Jimmmmmmm (3): UncleEurope, DatSwan, shraeye
shraeye (3): jotheonah, LaLight, Jimmmmmmmm

With 12 alive, it took 6 to lynch. Twilight begins now and will last between two and three hours depending on Newton/ Cambridge traffic.

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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #694 on: October 24, 2019, 03:09:18 pm »

I don't think there is any townie justification for cutting the day short like that when there was new information and so many people who hadn't weighed in on it.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #695 on: October 24, 2019, 03:12:29 pm »

I don't think there is any townie justification for cutting the day short like that when there was new information and so many people who hadn't weighed in on it.
I would have done the exact same thing if I was town in Awaclus's position.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #696 on: October 24, 2019, 03:14:53 pm »

I guess yelling at Awaclus for quickhammering is an inherently futile effort, but geez. We had 3.5 hours to talk about that claim.

Which is why it was good to hammer him while I had a chance.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #697 on: October 24, 2019, 03:18:31 pm »

Why tho? Where is the harm in taking some time to evaluate a claim? I had information about the flavor that made me more inclined to believe Swan. I didn't have time to share it.

Do you both think you're so much smarter than everyone else that you get to make this decision unilaterally? I think that is blatantly anti-town play. I also know we won't punish you for it tomorrow just like we didn't punish shraeye today for his scummy quickhammer yesterday.

I know the whole "get a claim, lynch someone else" thing is a played-out bummer of a meta, but this meta is not better. This is a role madness game. Everyone is going to have a claim. I think we should make a policy of hearing them out before we lynch someone.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #698 on: October 24, 2019, 03:25:31 pm »

Do you both think you're so much smarter than everyone else that you get to make this decision unilaterally?

I think I'm more likely to be town than everyone else.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #699 on: October 24, 2019, 03:27:54 pm »

Do you both think you're so much smarter than everyone else that you get to make this decision unilaterally?

I think I'm more likely to be town than everyone else.

Oddly, I do not agree.
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