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[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.5

Glooble (2): jotheonah, MiX
Robz888 (1): pubby
jotheonah (3): Glooble, EFHW, A Drowned Kernel
e (1): DatSwan
MiX (1): Awaclus
pubby (2): mcmcsalot, Joseph2302

Not Voting (4): Debatepro, Uncleeurope, e, Robz888

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Sep. 8, 06:30 forum time. That is in 3 days and 19+ hours.

[jotheonah]

Oh good. For some reason I thought we had a lot less time.

[MiX]

Vote Count 1.5

Glooble (2): jotheonah, MiX
Robz888 (1): pubby
jotheonah (3): Glooble, EFHW, A Drowned Kernel
e (1): DatSwan
MiX (1): Awaclus
pubby (2): mcmcsalot, Joseph2302

Not Voting (4): Debatepro, 0Ix, e, Robz888

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Sep. 8, 06:30 forum time. That is in 3 days and 19+ hours.

These are weak wagons. I want more stances on joth/Glooble guys. Come on how can I be the only one voting Glooble?

I'm not rereading the fight until more people talk about it, no point in doing so when I only want to talk after more people state what they think.

[Robz888]

vote: Pubby. Absolutely no reason except I don’t like the other wagons and would prefer to lynch anyone like now.

[Swowl]

Here's a question for e: was there another player that, if you had been paired with, you would have voted "no"?

ooo that's a fun question.

[MiX]

vote: Pubby. Absolutely no reason except I don’t like the other wagons and would prefer to lynch anyone like now.

Can you show me a weak case that justifies this vote other any other?

[MiX]

vote: Pubby. Absolutely no reason except I don’t like the other wagons and would prefer to lynch anyone like now.

Can you show me a weak case that justifies this vote over any other?

EBWOP

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Sorry, work these past two days has been busy.

Here's a question for e: was there another player that, if you had been paired with, you would have voted "no"?

Probably not. I sometimes do things randomly and change my mind at the last minute, but likely would have been a yes

[Debatepro]

@ADK - you say in a couple posts that it is townier to vote yes for duel. Why is that?

[Robz888]

vote: Pubby. Absolutely no reason except I don’t like the other wagons and would prefer to lynch anyone like now.

Can you show me a weak case that justifies this vote other any other?

I think Joth is town and Glooble defended himself well so that leaves pubby.

[MiX]

vote: Pubby. Absolutely no reason except I don’t like the other wagons and would prefer to lynch anyone like now.

Can you show me a weak case that justifies this vote other any other?

I think Joth is town and Glooble defended himself well so that leaves pubby.

That's a pretty big leap. Where is pubby scummy?

[Awaclus]

vote: Pubby. Absolutely no reason except I don’t like the other wagons and would prefer to lynch anyone like now.

Can you show me a weak case that justifies this vote other any other?

I think Joth is town and Glooble defended himself well so that leaves pubby.

That's a pretty big leap. Where is pubby scummy?

Where has he proven that he isn't scummy?

[MiX]

vote: Pubby. Absolutely no reason except I don’t like the other wagons and would prefer to lynch anyone like now.

Can you show me a weak case that justifies this vote other any other?

I think Joth is town and Glooble defended himself well so that leaves pubby.

That's a pretty big leap. Where is pubby scummy?

Where has he proven that he isn't scummy?

BTW I realized something. Whoever is getting wagoned at the time of the duel has incentive to vote for the duel in order to save themselves for a day. This incentive could be pretty strong - I mean I only had 4 votes on me but I sure thought about it.

This comes straight out of a town mindset: Scum's thinking about the two targets and how many scum are in them and if they can get away with voting yes, whereas town's thinking about their own survival. I can probably scavenge some more but this is why I started townreading him.

[Awaclus]

This comes straight out of a town mindset: Scum's thinking about the two targets and how many scum are in them and if they can get away with voting yes, whereas town's thinking about their own survival. I can probably scavenge some more but this is why I started townreading him.

I didn't ask you to explain why he's town, which is pretty useless given that your idea of an IC overlaps with your idea of the scummiest person around. Has he explained it himself?

[jotheonah]

This comes straight out of a town mindset: Scum's thinking about the two targets and how many scum are in them and if they can get away with voting yes, whereas town's thinking about their own survival. I can probably scavenge some more but this is why I started townreading him.

Huh? Scum is definitely thinking about their own survival. Moreso than town, especially in a setup where most town are VTs.

[MiX]

This comes straight out of a town mindset: Scum's thinking about the two targets and how many scum are in them and if they can get away with voting yes, whereas town's thinking about their own survival. I can probably scavenge some more but this is why I started townreading him.

I didn't ask you to explain why he's town, which is pretty useless given that your idea of an IC overlaps with your idea of the scummiest person around. Has he explained it himself?

...I will probably stop answering your questions from here on.

This comes straight out of a town mindset: Scum's thinking about the two targets and how many scum are in them and if they can get away with voting yes, whereas town's thinking about their own survival. I can probably scavenge some more but this is why I started townreading him.

Huh? Scum is definitely thinking about their own survival. Moreso than town, especially in a setup where most town are VTs.

Not that way they aren't. Besides, revelations like his just happen way more to town.

[Awaclus]

...I will probably stop answering your questions from here on.

You can answer if you have something useful to say.

[MiX]

...I will probably stop answering your questions from here on.

You can answer if you have something useful to say.

Has he explained it himself?

No.

[A Drowned Kernel]

@ADK - you say in a couple posts that it is townier to vote yes for duel. Why is that?

My logic is sort of wifom-y, but I think the perception is that by claiming to vote yes, especially after a lot of people claim to vote no, makes you stand out, which is something scum ostensibly wants to avoid. Of course, something that is ostentatiously towny is something that's actually going to set off my scum radar.

Basically, it's scummy, therefore it's towny, therefore it's scummy

[EFHW]

This comes straight out of a town mindset: Scum's thinking about the two targets and how many scum are in them and if they can get away with voting yes, whereas town's thinking about their own survival. I can probably scavenge some more but this is why I started townreading him.

Huh? Scum is definitely thinking about their own survival. Moreso than town, especially in a setup where most town are VTs.

Anyone with a wagon on them at the time of duel selection will think about this. NAI.

[jotheonah]

Not only that, but if thinking about survival were towny, we would expect all town not nominated to vote yes (since it guarantees they’re not the day’s lynch).

[Robz888]

vote: Pubby. Absolutely no reason except I don’t like the other wagons and would prefer to lynch anyone like now.

Can you show me a weak case that justifies this vote other any other?

I think Joth is town and Glooble defended himself well so that leaves pubby.

That's a pretty big leap. Where is pubby scummy?

Defend your partner much?

[MiX]

Not only that, but if thinking about survival were towny, we would expect all town not nominated to vote yes (since it guarantees they’re not the day’s lynch).

That's a really big stretch. But feel free to ignore my townread, Awaclus didn't need it anyway so I don't know why we're spending so much time analyzing that (and only that). Where's all the joth/Glooble discussion? Or any other for that matter?

vote: Pubby. Absolutely no reason except I don’t like the other wagons and would prefer to lynch anyone like now.

Can you show me a weak case that justifies this vote other any other?

I think Joth is town and Glooble defended himself well so that leaves pubby.

That's a pretty big leap. Where is pubby scummy?

Defend your partner much?

So you don't have a case, gotcha. Also, lazy answer, that's what anyone would instantly think of.

[Glooble]

Look, I’m town. I don’t know what joth is, but his case on me feels just as insincere as he said my case on DatSwan was. Joth’s day 1 cases tend to have more meat on their bones, as it were, plus he’s usually good at reading me. That combined with the ADK/ Sean mistake which seems more likely to be a scum!joth mistake than a town!joth mistake, constitutes my entire case.

The flaw in my case is why scum!joth would choose to start a wagon on me rather than someone else, or wait for a townie to start a wagon then jump on that. The second one is somewhat explained by the fact that joth apparently thought we were a lot closer to the deadline then we are, we I guess could make him want to jumpstart a mislynch? Consider he was already on the pubby wagon and it didn’t look like it was picking up much steam.

Alternatively, if joth thought we were close to deadline and pubby was joth’s partner, he might have been afraid of town defaulting to a pubby lynch when we ran out of time.

[jotheonah]

Look, I’m town. I don’t know what joth is, but his case on me feels just as insincere as he said my case on DatSwan was. Joth’s day 1 cases tend to have more meat on their bones, as it were, plus he’s usually good at reading me. That combined with the ADK/ Sean mistake which seems more likely to be a scum!joth mistake than a town!joth mistake, constitutes my entire case.

The flaw in my case is why scum!joth would choose to start a wagon on me rather than someone else, or wait for a townie to start a wagon then jump on that. The second one is somewhat explained by the fact that joth apparently thought we were a lot closer to the deadline then we are, we I guess could make him want to jumpstart a mislynch? Consider he was already on the pubby wagon and it didn’t look like it was picking up much steam.

Alternatively, if joth thought we were close to deadline and pubby was joth’s partner, he might have been afraid of town defaulting to a pubby lynch when we ran out of time.

I can’t help but notice that your “flaw in my case” paragraph is longer than your “my case” paragraph. Usually not the sign of a strong case, buddy.