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[Glooble]

vote: A Drowned Kernel

[Glooble]

Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, Robz88.  The only three people who were on the pubby wagon, the little MiX wagon at the beginning of day one, and who at some point voted for me. I suppose if we count anyone who voted for pubby at any point, we'd need joth on this list too. Now, from my POV as someone who knows I am town, these are the four players who have voted for three confirmed townies. I realize this logic won't help anyone else until I flip, but that doesn't change the facts.

Anyway, ADK gets the vote over the other three because 1. this joth vs. Robz fight is really messing with my scumreads on both of them and 2. the duel got voted down, which does slightly increase the likelyhood of one of e/ ADK being scum. Also their position on the pubby wagon and the hedginess with which they delivered their votes don't look great.

[Awaclus]

Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, Robz88.  The only three people who were on the pubby wagon, the little MiX wagon at the beginning of day one, and who at some point voted for me. I suppose if we count anyone who voted for pubby at any point, we'd need joth on this list too. Now, from my POV as someone who knows I am town, these are the four players who have voted for three confirmed townies. I realize this logic won't help anyone else until I flip, but that doesn't change the facts.

Anyway, ADK gets the vote over the other three because 1. this joth vs. Robz fight is really messing with my scumreads on both of them and 2. the duel got voted down, which does slightly increase the likelyhood of one of e/ ADK being scum. Also their position on the pubby wagon and the hedginess with which they delivered their votes don't look great.

Why does killing MiX to frame you make any sense at all?

[Glooble]

Why does killing MiX to frame you make any sense at all?

If you're scum, and you see one town player with a lot of pressure on him, and another town player is pushing his case pretty hard, it makes a lot of sense to kill the player pushing the case. That way you can use the dead player's towniness to advance the case on the player who's under pressure.

[Glooble]

That way you can say "Why did MiX die? He must have been on to something with that Glooble case."

[2.71828.....]

The whole idea around framing someone as scum is a bunch of WIFOM that doesn't actually contribute a ton to catching scum in my opinion.

Every flip does give us information to find scum, but the standard immediate jumping on an easy wagon is just scummy.

More people should vote Awaclus

[Awaclus]

Why does killing MiX to frame you make any sense at all?

If you're scum, and you see one town player with a lot of pressure on him, and another town player is pushing his case pretty hard, it makes a lot of sense to kill the player pushing the case. That way you can use the dead player's towniness to advance the case on the player who's under pressure.

That doesn't make any sense for multiple reasons:

• Scum in general is not in any hurry to lynch people who already have a lot of pressure on them. Town!you were already a viable mislynch target, and it would have been better value to frame someone who wasn't one.
• MiX himself was another very viable mislynch target. It doesn't make sense to remove a potential mislynch from the player pool just to put some extra pressure on another one.
• Obviously getting town!your mislynch through would have been easier with MiX's help.
• If the point was to frame town!you, scum could have killed anyone else who expressed a scum read on you instead of killing the most antitown one.

[Awaclus]

5. the f.ds meta is to not pay any attention to night kills.

[Glooble]

I just completely disagree that MiX was a viable mislynch target. The only player scumreading MiX at the end of the day was you.

[Debatepro]

Some data I've been pondering.

Lynch#	PubbyVotes	-	ON/OFF	-	NeverON	-	MultipleVotes
	MiX		Joth		DatSwan		MiX
1	MCMC		Glooble		Debatepro		Joth
	Joth		Joseph		Uncleeurope		Awaclus
	Glooble
	Joseph
2	Robz
	Awaclus
	EFHW
3	Joseph
4	Awaclus
	MiX
5	ADK
	Joth
6	MiX
7	EFHW
8	e

[Debatepro]

Overview of MiX votes  w/ reasons

Vote#	Post#	---By---	----For----	Notes
4	100	MiX	Glooble	RSV: No reason (NR)
10	132	MiX	Pubby	RSV: NR
21	271	MiX	e	270 voted no duel bc didn't want to lynch e by default
23	305	MiX	Joseph	Your ADK duel reasoning is shite
24	325	MiX	Awaclus	Awaclus reasoning only makes sense later in game
26	342	MiX	Debatepro	NR: Awaclus as null NIA
30	382	MiX	Glooble	Will sheep Joth on Glooble
50	518	MiX	Debatepro	Vote Debatepro for sheeping
51	530	MiX	Glooble	Why did glooble think PR couldn't use them at any other night
52	535	MiX	Debatepro	NR
56	562	MiX	Pubby	Don't want to fight w/ debatepro, NR pubby
60	596	MiX	Joseph	Potential lynches pubby/Robz/Joseph/Glooble will reread [Moves off Pubby L2]
63	607	MiX	Debatepro	Lets vote here, NR.
64	608	MiX	Joseph	Joseph has setup related posts.
65	614	MiX	Pubby	Agree with DS bout Robz, Robz null, lets try Pubby

[Awaclus]

I just completely disagree that MiX was a viable mislynch target.

I guess that's why you killed him.

[jotheonah]

I just completely disagree that MiX was a viable mislynch target. The only player scumreading MiX at the end of the day was you.

I'm with Glooble on this. I haven't weighed in on why MiX was killed because I just thought it was obvious he was super townie.

The fact that he was the loan supporter of my Glooble lynch was probably just gravy when Glooble did the kill.

[jotheonah]

Some data I've been pondering.

Lynch#	PubbyVotes	-	ON/OFF	-	NeverON	-	MultipleVotes
	MiX		Joth		DatSwan		MiX
1	MCMC		Glooble		Debatepro		Joth
	Joth		Joseph		Uncleeurope		Awaclus
	Glooble
	Joseph
2	Robz
	Awaclus
	EFHW
3	Joseph
4	Awaclus
	MiX
5	ADK
	Joth
6	MiX
7	EFHW
8	e

I have no idea what this means.

[Debatepro]

Some data I've been pondering.

<insert table>

I have no idea what this means.

My bad.

Lynch#: Votes resulting in pubby lynch
PubbyVotes: All votes for pubby
ON/OFF: Those players that were on at one point and then jumped off
NeverOn: Never voted for pubby
MultipleVote: Voted for pubby more than once

[2.71828.....]

Some data I've been pondering.

Lynch#	PubbyVotes	-	ON/OFF	-	NeverON	-	MultipleVotes
	MiX		Joth		DatSwan		MiX
1	MCMC		Glooble		Debatepro		Joth
	Joth		Joseph		Uncleeurope		Awaclus
	Glooble
	Joseph
2	Robz
	Awaclus
	EFHW
3	Joseph
4	Awaclus
	MiX
5	ADK
	Joth
6	MiX
7	EFHW
8	e

I have no idea what this means.

I want to make a joke about big data solving all the world's problems (even find scum to lynch!) here.

[2.71828.....]

So what is your analysis of that data?

Never on are more likely town?
Multiple votes more likely scum?

Data is useless without some sort of analysis

[Robz888]

Ok, Robz, so answer me this: what is it that makes your vote for pubby for no reason townie but other votes for pubby with no reason scummy? Why look for scum on that wagon if you know there’s such an obvious reason for being on it as town?

You are willfully misunderstanding me! You ask "what is it that makes your vote for pubby for no reason townie but other votes for pubby with no reason scummy?" I did not say my vote was townie and there's scummy. I do not think a vote for pubby was scummy. But today, we know pubby is town, and there's probably at least one scum on his wagon, because that's usually how it works. So I was trying to decide which people on the pubby wagon are scummiest, not because voting for pubby was scummy, but just of their own accord.

[Debatepro]

So what is your analysis of that data? Never on are more likely town? Multiple votes more likely scum? Data is useless without some sort of analysis

The main point is to make it easier for team town to do analysis. If everyone on team town doesn't have to gather and collate the data, then they can spend more time on analysis. It's a time per task savings.

[2.71828.....]

So what is your analysis of that data? Never on are more likely town? Multiple votes more likely scum? Data is useless without some sort of analysis

The main point is to make it easier for team town to do analysis. If everyone on team town doesn't have to gather and collate the data, then they can spend more time on analysis. It's a time per task savings.

So for you, as an alleged member of town, done any analysis on it? I am interested in your thoughts

[jotheonah]

1. this joth vs. Robz fight is really messing with my scumreads on both of them

I hate to say it, but I'm pretty sure Robz and I could absolutely fake this fight as scum partners. It would be a lot more fun if that were what was happening.

[A Drowned Kernel]

The whole idea around framing someone as scum is a bunch of WIFOM that doesn't actually contribute a ton to catching scum in my opinion.

Every flip does give us information to find scum, but the standard immediate jumping on an easy wagon is just scummy.

More people should vote Awaclus

I have a gut townread on awaclus

[Joseph2302]

The whole idea around framing someone as scum is a bunch of WIFOM that doesn't actually contribute a ton to catching scum in my opinion.

Every flip does give us information to find scum, but the standard immediate jumping on an easy wagon is just scummy.

More people should vote Awaclus

I have a gut townread on awaclus

Weirdly, so do I right now
He seems more engaged and helpful than usual

[Joseph2302]

It's weirdly because he's one of the people that I typically find scummy. But not this game

[Joseph2302]

Overview of MiX votes  w/ reasons

Vote#	Post#	---By---	----For----	Notes
4	100	MiX	Glooble	RSV: No reason (NR)
10	132	MiX	Pubby	RSV: NR
21	271	MiX	e	270 voted no duel bc didn't want to lynch e by default
23	305	MiX	Joseph	Your ADK duel reasoning is shite
24	325	MiX	Awaclus	Awaclus reasoning only makes sense later in game
26	342	MiX	Debatepro	NR: Awaclus as null NIA
30	382	MiX	Glooble	Will sheep Joth on Glooble
50	518	MiX	Debatepro	Vote Debatepro for sheeping
51	530	MiX	Glooble	Why did glooble think PR couldn't use them at any other night
52	535	MiX	Debatepro	NR
56	562	MiX	Pubby	Don't want to fight w/ debatepro, NR pubby
60	596	MiX	Joseph	Potential lynches pubby/Robz/Joseph/Glooble will reread [Moves off Pubby L2]
63	607	MiX	Debatepro	Lets vote here, NR.
64	608	MiX	Joseph	Joseph has setup related posts.
65	614	MiX	Pubby	Agree with DS bout Robz, Robz null, lets try Pubby

So 4 people there who they voted for multiple times: me, Pubby, Debatepro and Glooble

Of which, 2 (Pubby and I) are definitely town.

So if we trust MiX reads, Debatepro and Glooble would seem slightly scummier