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[MiX]

Look at the current wagons:

Robz888 (5): e, EFHW, Debatepro, pubby, Glooble
Debatepro (4): A Drowned Kernel, DatSwan, MiX, jotheonah
pubby (4): mcmcsalot, Robz888, Joseph2302, Awaclus

Man, if the twin fight doesn't have scum in it...I'll wake up from the dream.

What? We're all consolidated into 3 wagons. Obviously some of the voters are scum. I don't see how you draw inferences about anybody from this vote count.

What's of note there is that the joth and Glooble wagons vanished. I guess that wasn't clear.

[EFHW]

I can see one inference,  which is that Robz and pubby are not likely to be partners.

Ppe: yeah

[Debatepro]

Finally something to agree with, calling folks anti-town for not voting pubby seemed scummy.

vote: robz

But not scummy enough for you to mention it before other people started voting?

vote: debatepro

No, not scummy enough to vote for before at least one person I have a strong town read on voted for them.

You're gonna have to start having original ideas fast before you're mislynched every game.

Vote: Debatepro

Don't be dick. The reason for my vote is original and stated by no one. That someone I have a strong town read on also voted for and without a stated reason, made it feel more right. 

[Debatepro]

That is town vs town almost for sure. Really really for sure most likely not robz skum, followed closely by not pubby skum. [EFHW, Debate], [Joth, Mix, Glooble, ADK, 0IX]  seem like good pools to look at.

For my own reasons I like [Debate, MiX, ADK] - in that order. Most likely only one in there though.

Vote: Debate

Remember in our last game, where I had this brilliant (in my own mind) VCA that included you in every pool? Your reply struck me, you said something like "that's some pretty good analysis, but something is wrong with it because you have me as scum in every single case and that is 100% not true" You were right, made me question my assumptions and we won the game. You need to do that here.

[EFHW]

Finally something to agree with, calling folks anti-town for not voting pubby seemed scummy.

vote: robz

But not scummy enough for you to mention it before other people started voting?

vote: debatepro

No, not scummy enough to vote for before at least one person I have a strong town read on voted for them.

You're gonna have to start having original ideas fast before you're mislynched every game.

Vote: Debatepro

Don't be dick. The reason for my vote is original and stated by no one. That someone I have a strong town read on also voted for and without a stated reason, made it feel more right.

This is uncivil and you are claiming that sheeping is an original idea?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Look at the current wagons:

Robz888 (5): e, EFHW, Debatepro, pubby, Glooble
Debatepro (4): A Drowned Kernel, DatSwan, MiX, jotheonah
pubby (4): mcmcsalot, Robz888, Joseph2302, Awaclus

Man, if the twin fight doesn't have scum in it...I'll wake up from the dream.

What? We're all consolidated into 3 wagons. Obviously some of the voters are scum. I don't see how you draw inferences about anybody from this vote count.

What's of note there is that the joth and Glooble wagons vanished. I guess that wasn't clear.

Are you saying that the wagons disappearing points to there being scum in joth/glooble?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Finally something to agree with, calling folks anti-town for not voting pubby seemed scummy.

vote: robz

But not scummy enough for you to mention it before other people started voting?

vote: debatepro

No, not scummy enough to vote for before at least one person I have a strong town read on voted for them.

You're gonna have to start having original ideas fast before you're mislynched every game.

Vote: Debatepro

Don't be dick. The reason for my vote is original and stated by no one. That someone I have a strong town read on also voted for and without a stated reason, made it feel more right.

This is uncivil and you are claiming that sheeping is an original idea?

 I would point out that debate did provide a reason for his vote, he just didn't do it until other people were voting

[Debatepro]

Finally something to agree with, calling folks anti-town for not voting pubby seemed scummy.

vote: robz

But not scummy enough for you to mention it before other people started voting?

vote: debatepro

No, not scummy enough to vote for before at least one person I have a strong town read on voted for them.

You're gonna have to start having original ideas fast before you're mislynched every game.

Vote: Debatepro

Don't be dick. The reason for my vote is original and stated by no one. That someone I have a strong town read on also voted for and without a stated reason, made it feel more right.

This is uncivil and you are claiming that sheeping is an original idea?

@MiX: Apologies for the ad hominem. It is not fair to say that failure to have my own ideas is going to continue to get me lynched in every game. I have a stated reason and another data point made me feel better about that reason. I find the comment you made condescending and arrogant, and it is this pattern in your post that results in you getting mislynched.

[Debatepro]

This is uncivil and you are claiming that sheeping is an original idea?

I would point out that debate did provide a reason for his vote, he just didn't do it until other people were voting

I'm looking at every vote in a spreadsheet, 55 in total as of #548. Over 60% of them meet the condition you described above. More if you include those who don't provide reasons.

[jotheonah]

I think Robz is town but I doubt there’s much scum in the five-vote pile-on because scum is scared to be that obvious.

Glooble’s gravitating toward the Robz wagon reaffirms my scumread on him.

I will most likely not be around at deadline, barring a bout of insomnia.

[A Drowned Kernel]

This is uncivil and you are claiming that sheeping is an original idea?

I would point out that debate did provide a reason for his vote, he just didn't do it until other people were voting

I'm looking at every vote in a spreadsheet, 55 in total as of #548. Over 60% of them meet the condition you described above. More if you include those who don't provide reasons.

You voted immediately after two people and your reason, while original, was not very compelling

That said, the eagerness with which people are now switching to non-pubby wagons kind of makes me want to swing back there

[MiX]

This is uncivil and you are claiming that sheeping is an original idea?

I would point out that debate did provide a reason for his vote, he just didn't do it until other people were voting

I'm looking at every vote in a spreadsheet, 55 in total as of #548. Over 60% of them meet the condition you described above. More if you include those who don't provide reasons.

Which of the 40% are yours?

I don't have time to fight you in ad hominem attacks.

Vote: pubby

[MiX]

The reason for my vote is original and stated by no one.

What is this reason?

[Debatepro]

prod request: mcmcsalot

It's been 4.5 days since their last post, I don't see a VLA message.

Voting history:

Vote#	Post#	By	For
11	155	MCMC	Pubby

[Glooble]

I think Robz is town but I doubt there’s much scum in the five-vote pile-on because scum is scared to be that obvious.

Glooble’s gravitating toward the Robz wagon reaffirms my scumread on him.

I will most likely not be around at deadline, barring a bout of insomnia.

Why do I get the feeling that anywhere I would have voted would have reaffirmed your “scumread” on me?

[Glooble]

MiX, yes I saw your question, I just don’t have any more reasons than the ones I’ve already stated.

[Glooble]

I think Robz is town but I doubt there’s much scum in the five-vote pile-on because scum is scared to be that obvious.

Glooble’s gravitating toward the Robz wagon reaffirms my scumread on him.

I will most likely not be around at deadline, barring a bout of insomnia.

So let me get this straight- scum wouldn’t vote for Robz before people started questioning the Robz wagon because it would be “too obvious” but my voting for Robz after the wagon has been called out as scummy isn’t “too obvious”?

Sorry, how does that make any sense?

[MiX]

I think Robz is town but I doubt there’s much scum in the five-vote pile-on because scum is scared to be that obvious.

Glooble’s gravitating toward the Robz wagon reaffirms my scumread on him.

I will most likely not be around at deadline, barring a bout of insomnia.

So let me get this straight- scum wouldn’t vote for Robz before people started questioning the Robz wagon because it would be “too obvious” but my voting for Robz after the wagon has been called out as scummy isn’t “too obvious”?

Sorry, how does that make any sense?

MUCH scum

[silverspawn]

prod request: mcmcsalot

Sent.

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.8

Robz888 (5): e, EFHW, Debatepro, pubby, Glooble
Debatepro (3): A Drowned Kernel, DatSwan, jotheonah
pubby (5): mcmcsalot, Robz888, Joseph2302, Awaclus, MiX

Not Voting (1): Uncleeurope

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Sep. 8, 06:30 forum time. That is in 19h 26m.

[Robz888]

Great, so glad we are going to do a last minute lynch just because deadline is approaching, possibly with not enough people around, almost certainly hitting town... instead of the duel. You people really are the worst!

[Robz888]

Why is debatepro scummy? Because he joined a wagon? I don't really think joining my wagon was that scummy. We need to lynch someone, sheesh.

[MiX]

Great, so glad we are going to do a last minute lynch just because deadline is approaching, possibly with not enough people around, almost certainly hitting town... instead of the duel. You people really are the worst!

I have a great townread on both of the duel targets.

Wanna be the mislynch?

[jotheonah]

I think Robz is town but I doubt there’s much scum in the five-vote pile-on because scum is scared to be that obvious.

Glooble’s gravitating toward the Robz wagon reaffirms my scumread on him.

I will most likely not be around at deadline, barring a bout of insomnia.

So let me get this straight- scum wouldn’t vote for Robz before people started questioning the Robz wagon because it would be “too obvious” but my voting for Robz after the wagon has been called out as scummy isn’t “too obvious”?

Sorry, how does that make any sense?

Scum wouldn’t post four posts in a row with very little text other than “vote: Robz”. That’s different than what you did. Plus you were in the hot seat.

Robz, you baffle me. No one has articulated a real case on pubby, but you’re gung-ho about his lynch. But now you want a case for debatepro? What’s the difference? Is one of them your partner?

[EFHW]

Vote Count Previous

Glooble (3): jotheonah, MiX, A Drowned Kernel
Joseph (1): pubby
jotheonah (1): Glooble,
e (1): DatSwan
pubby (5): mcmcsalot, Joseph2302, Robz888, Awaclus, EFHW
Not Voting (3): Debatepro, 0Ix, e

Vote Count Current

Glooble (2): jotheonah, MiX
Robz (5): E, DatSwan, EFHW, Debatepro, Pubby
jotheonah (1): Glooble
pubby (4): mcmcsalot, Joseph2302, Robz888, Awaclus
Debatepro (1): ADK
Not Voting (1): 0IX

Adding in the most recent vc

Vote Count 1.8

Robz888 (5): e, EFHW, Debatepro, pubby, Glooble
Debatepro (3): A Drowned Kernel, DatSwan, jotheonah
pubby (5): mcmcsalot, Robz888, Joseph2302, Awaclus, MiX

Not Voting (1): 0Ix

Now that I'm at a computer, I want to respond to DatSwan's conclusion that both Robz and pubby must be town here. I don't see it that way. I am the only one who switched from pubby to Robz, so it's not like they are interchangeable in many people's minds. And I had voted Robz previously, so it's not like I'm being all that opportunistic. Given their positions on each other's wagons, I do think pubby and Robz are unlikely to be partners, as I said before.

The quick building of the Robz wagon could be indication that he is town, if one or more of {EFHW, Debate, pubby} are scum. This makes pubby somewhat less likely to be town if Robz is town.

{mcmc, Joseph and Robz} have been steady on pubby's wagon for awhile now. He is among the easier mislynches, so Robz is somewhat less likely to be town if pubby is town.

Now Debate has risen up as a viable wagon, with {ADK, DatSwan and joth} on it. The emergence of a new wagon makes it more plausible that one of pubby-Robz is scum, with a partner in {ADK, Swan, joth}.

But these are all incremental shifts in likelihood. They could all be town, they could all be scum. Everyone on Debate's wagon could be scum (admittedly unlikely). It's fine if DatSwan has townreads on pubby and Robz, but I don't see how the VCA supports a conclusion that they must both be town. Did I miss something?