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[jotheonah]

Ok. Intent to hammer. For real this time.

[Joseph2302]

FWIW, I have some ideas for scum teams. But i don't feel like i need to share them right now

[Joseph2302]

Don't want to give scum anymore information about anything. After the chaos i caused last time

[Awaclus]

FWIW, I have some ideas for scum teams. But i don't feel like i need to share them right now

Based.

[Debatepro]

Ok. Intent to hammer. For real this time.

Any reads or info you want to leave us with, since I imagine the JK will be the scum target.

[jotheonah]

Ok. Intent to hammer. For real this time.

Any reads or info you want to leave us with, since I imagine the JK will be the scum target.

Sharing my reads is a good way to make sure I do die. I believe I can save myself by JKing the scum shooter.

[Debatepro]

Ok. Intent to hammer. For real this time.

Any reads or info you want to leave us with, since I imagine the JK will be the scum target.

Sharing my reads is a good way to make sure I do die. I believe I can save myself by JKing the scum shooter.

good luck

[Uncleeurope]

I dislike this.

[EFHW]

Why have no other wagons come up?

[Debatepro]

Scums on the wagon.

[Debatepro]

I am down to lynch DS, but shouldn't we wait and see if he comes up in the duel? Then we can lynch him and maybe get a PR.

@Robz - you seemed to be down to lynch DS but your not voting here, why?

[Swowl]

It’s a counterfactual. I have not had a scum read on DS, a discussion that involves identifying his potential partners is very revealing. It can show he’s Town, identify the “real” scum team that doesn’t include DS, or identify his partners. That discussion is useful with 4 days left that we can’t have if someone hammers.

k. so why start a discussion that does start with the words "lets use the day to find Swan's partners".

Your not helping yourself here. I am 1 billion percent town, the literal definition of a counterfactual is to make a statement that is counter to fact. Like if a if a kangaroo doesn’t have a tail, would the fall over. It has to start with, if swan is scum, who are his partners? What’s most revealing here is all the people who are pushing you are not chiming in with potential partner suggestion. Because if it requires debate to be scum if you are scum, then their case is maybe only 100% wrong.

I can't make any sense out of this post.  And why so aggressive? You can't play a mafia game without coming under some pressure or scrutiny.

I don't feel like I was being aggressive - if I was mb, not the intention. I just don't think spending time "looking for my partners" is a good strategy. Both because it type casts me as skum, and because the conversation will just create too much wifom logic for skum to use later on.

I would rather, personally, focus on who could be skum that is not me. To which I come to ADK, but I doubt I am gonna have enough time left in the day to make that case. But try I shall I suppose.

[Swowl]

Joth - You really think I am skum?

I'm not sure of it. You are doing a good job of seeming like aggrieved town. But the following things are true:

1) Your wagon does not feel like a towny wagon. It has a lot of support but also a significant handful of holdouts, and no one is egging it on particularly hard. It has all the hallmarks of a caught scum wagon.

2) Your immediate response to claims (which you have since backed off on after being called out) was the one I would expect scum to have, namely to try to prevent us from "IC"ing myself and Joseph. There are legitimate objections to that, especially if you think one of us is scum, but generally town needs to build coherent narratives and employ POE to get a lynch, and scum has a very vested interest in derailing that process.

Your immediate reaction is more telling than your more measured posts of late. And your immediate reaction was one of not concern about your own lynch, but concern that town was going to get itself two ICs (and make scum's late game that much harder).

Unfortunately, we're at the point where we're all good enough at this game that we don't have the luxury of lynching "obvscum" very often. But to me, the world where you're caught scum is much more persuasive than the world where you're unfortunate town (though I acknowledge the latter is a possibility). I'd say I'm about 70-30 on you flipping red here.

Well that is about as a clear cut answer as I could suspect. I mean you're wrong, but the last part at least chimes true decently.

I got like one other thing I need to pull some posts for once I am done with work, if you could hold of on hammering for a few hrs that would be neat.

[jotheonah]

No worries. I have to wait for Silver to answer a question in my QT anyway.

[EFHW]

Scums on the wagon.

Why aren't you, Eddie and Robz voting?

[Uncleeurope]

Scums on the wagon.

Why aren't you, Eddie and Robz voting?

Vote: e

Vote: ADK

[Debatepro]

Scums on the wagon.

Why aren't you, Eddie and Robz voting?

I can't speak for Eddie & Robz. I'm not a huge fan of the DS vote, mostly because 3 of my top scum candidates at the beginning of the day are on it.  If DS is scum, then someone(s) busing or I have it wrong.

Considering Robz was all in on voting for DS pre-duel, perhaps you should direct your attention at him. Vote: Robz

PPE: I'm down Vote: ADK

[2.71828.....]

Sorry, I was away from home for work and was super active then got home and haven't been active at all. I think the whole idea of no counter wagon could be valid, or scum don't want to jump out on their own to start a counter.

Still like the Datswan lynch

[2.71828.....]

And ppe, those two votes

[Debatepro]

I think the duel failed because scum voted 'no' for Joseph (IC) v. ADK (ScumTeamMate).

I think as soon as Joth (IC) voted DS then scum and everyone else felt safe voting for DS. Votes when like: MCMC, ADK, Joseph (IC), e, and Aweclus.

[Robz888]

I'm sort of fine with lynching DS and would be willing to provide the vote to do it, but that doesn't look necessary, I guess.

[jotheonah]

I'm sort of fine with lynching DS and would be willing to provide the vote to do it, but that doesn't look necessary, I guess.

Are you fine with it because you think he's scum or because you're ready for the day to end and want information?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Why have no other wagons come up?

You, debate and Eddie have been pushing "anyone but swan" for awhile now, so this seems pretty disingenuous

[Uncleeurope]

Hardly anyone but Swan.

And the idea that it’s exactly us three must seem a bit silly to you.

What’s disingenuous is the lack of concern people seem to be having about Swan’s alignment.

I can’t help but read his posts and feel hesitation due to many assumptions he is making that I don’t think a baddie would make in his spot.

He seems to be working with half of the information, just like town would be doing.

[Uncleeurope]

The think I am having trouble shaking right now is that my initial take on the information taken from claims was Swan seemed town, where everyone went the other direction and I haven’t been convinced as to why, yet.