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[faust]

4) I am finding his play today consistent with a narrative where scum promoter chose me, expecting me to choose a non-MiX target based on the post I quoted earlier where I basically said I wouldn't choose MiX (with Mix's buddying as a back-up plan to urge this along).

I disagree with other parts, but here I strongly feel the confirmation bias. Surely if scum wanted to avoid MiX being challenged, there would be way better targets than you.

[faust]

Also I don't know about you guys, but I feel like MiX is always buddying me.

[MiX]

4) I am finding his play today consistent with a narrative where scum promoter chose me, expecting me to choose a non-MiX target based on the post I quoted earlier where I basically said I wouldn't choose MiX (with Mix's buddying as a back-up plan to urge this along).

I disagree with other parts, but here I strongly feel the confirmation bias. Surely if scum wanted to avoid MiX being challenged, there would be way better targets than you.

I also felt like saying this, but joth is one of the few picks that don't out promoter as scum.

Also I don't know about you guys, but I feel like MiX is always buddying me.

Every time, all the time baby!

Vote: faust

[MiX]

No, but seriously, Vote: Galzria untill he answers my question. Which is also directed at chairs, by the way, but I think Galzria is scummier.

[jotheonah]

Who's your second choice, after mix?

Ari, although Galzria is creeping up.

[Galzria]

I would not vote MiX if he were challenged, as he has said something today that basically proves he’s town.

Can't currently think of a reason you would say this and not tell us what post you're referring to, given that scum already knows Mix's alignment.

Ok, fine.

If promoter is scum, I was either targeted (A) because MiX is town and scum thought I couldn’t resist challenging him, (B) because MiX is scum and scum thought I wouldn’t dare challenge him, or (C) because everyone has such a scumread on me that it doesn’t matter who I challenge because I’ll lose.

(C)'s the one that makes the most amount of sense here, given that if (B) then (C)'s still important in case you randomly pick another scum. This is especially true because Traitor exists. (A) sounds foolish, but given that you're thinking about (B) then (A) might actually be something scum think.

Can you tell I like those letters?

Lyncher Doctor means no jester, which is nice. Kills several theories I had yesterday about why certain people were behaving the way they were. And while losing a doctor sucks, he was realistically probably not going to be the most helpful doctor anyway. And we avoided the incredibly awkward scenario of having both him and his victim still around in LyLo. Not sure why he lied about his role though.

Bodyguard is the best fakeclaim for Lyncher, and I have no idea who wouldn't kill him after a Lyncher claim.

I support targeting MiX.

Do you think scum's thinking about (B) here?

I bolded the part above that’s relevant. Scum doesn’t make that mistaken point as they know that there is NOT, in fact, a Traitor, as we’re in BC/BD, not AD/BD - something I myself can validate as the Town Promoter.

With Joseph’s flip, the setup is:

5 VT
Vengeful Townie
Psychologist
Tracker
Town Promoter
Semi-Elite Body Guard
Mafia Godfather
2 Mafia Goons
Lyncher Doctor

I promoted Joth last night because I believed he was scum from D1. My choices were between anybody on the horrible Joseph wagon, or one of my own scum reads. I decided it was too random to just pick one of the people on Joseph, so stuck with my gut on Joth.

If I were to pick for Joth, I would make him choose between {ADK, Faust, Glooble}.

[MiX]

Knew it. Wait you're not Glooble...oh dear.

Notice how joth's sentence starts with "If promoter is scum", I've been over this when i voted faust in D1 because Joseph's slip wasn't actually a slip because of it (and Joseph wasn't even scum so he wouldn't know it). Why did you claim?

Also, we're in B. There's no other possible setup. I like Galzria's bold claim...I retract townpoints from Glooble now. But Galzria's scum for not knowing it's setup B with 100% guarantee.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I would not vote MiX if he were challenged, as he has said something today that basically proves he’s town.

Can't currently think of a reason you would say this and not tell us what post you're referring to, given that scum already knows Mix's alignment.

Ok, fine.

If promoter is scum, I was either targeted (A) because MiX is town and scum thought I couldn’t resist challenging him, (B) because MiX is scum and scum thought I wouldn’t dare challenge him, or (C) because everyone has such a scumread on me that it doesn’t matter who I challenge because I’ll lose.

(C)'s the one that makes the most amount of sense here, given that if (B) then (C)'s still important in case you randomly pick another scum. This is especially true because Traitor exists. (A) sounds foolish, but given that you're thinking about (B) then (A) might actually be something scum think.

Can you tell I like those letters?

Lyncher Doctor means no jester, which is nice. Kills several theories I had yesterday about why certain people were behaving the way they were. And while losing a doctor sucks, he was realistically probably not going to be the most helpful doctor anyway. And we avoided the incredibly awkward scenario of having both him and his victim still around in LyLo. Not sure why he lied about his role though.

Bodyguard is the best fakeclaim for Lyncher, and I have no idea who wouldn't kill him after a Lyncher claim.

I support targeting MiX.

Do you think scum's thinking about (B) here?

I bolded the part above that’s relevant. Scum doesn’t make that mistaken point as they know that there is NOT, in fact, a Traitor, as we’re in BC/BD, not AD/BD - something I myself can validate as the Town Promoter.

With Joseph’s flip, the setup is:

5 VT
Vengeful Townie
Psychologist
Tracker
Town Promoter
Semi-Elite Body Guard
Mafia Godfather
2 Mafia Goons
Lyncher Doctor

I promoted Joth last night because I believed he was scum from D1. My choices were between anybody on the horrible Joseph wagon, or one of my own scum reads. I decided it was too random to just pick one of the people on Joseph, so stuck with my gut on Joth.

If I were to pick for Joth, I would make him choose between {ADK, Faust, Glooble}.

I'm inclined to believe this claim. But what was so horrible about the Joseph wagon?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Knew it. Wait you're not Glooble...oh dear.

Notice how joth's sentence starts with "If promoter is scum", I've been over this when i voted faust in D1 because Joseph's slip wasn't actually a slip because of it (and Joseph wasn't even scum so he wouldn't know it). Why did you claim?

Also, we're in B. There's no other possible setup. I like Galzria's bold claim...I retract townpoints from Glooble now. But Galzria's scum for not knowing it's setup B with 100% guarantee.

Can you explain that last sentence?

[jotheonah]

I am so close to just challenging Galz right now.

If I were to pick for Joth, I would make him choose between {ADK, Faust, Glooble}.

Literally my top three town reads.

[jotheonah]

I'm inclined to believe this claim. But what was so horrible about the Joseph wagon?

I believe the part where he's promoter. But maybe not the part where he's town...

[Galzria]

Knew it. Wait you're not Glooble...oh dear.

Notice how joth's sentence starts with "If promoter is scum", I've been over this when i voted faust in D1 because Joseph's slip wasn't actually a slip because of it (and Joseph wasn't even scum so he wouldn't know it). Why did you claim?

Also, we're in B. There's no other possible setup. I like Galzria's bold claim...I retract townpoints from Glooble now. But Galzria's scum for not knowing it's setup B with 100% guarantee.

Of course I did. I never had any intention of you being lynched. I did what Faust was trying to do, just better. Instead of making a bad case (or no case at all) on a player to see who “climbs aboard”, I made a much more reasonable case based on a lack of general information knowing full well that it’s exactly the sort of thing scum likes to promote because of it’s inherent reasonability.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm inclined to believe this claim. But what was so horrible about the Joseph wagon?

I believe the part where he's promoter. But maybe not the part where he's town...

Why on earth would scum promoter claim right now?

[Galzria]

I am so close to just challenging Galz right now.

If I were to pick for Joth, I would make him choose between {ADK, Faust, Glooble}.

Literally my top three town reads.

Surprise!

Challenge me. Now.

[jotheonah]

I'm inclined to believe this claim. But what was so horrible about the Joseph wagon?

I believe the part where he's promoter. But maybe not the part where he's town...

Why on earth would scum promoter claim right now?

Why wouldn't they?

[jotheonah]

I am so close to just challenging Galz right now.

If I were to pick for Joth, I would make him choose between {ADK, Faust, Glooble}.

Literally my top three town reads.

Surprise!

Challenge me. Now.

Well this is just very scummy, right?

[MiX]

Knew it. Wait you're not Glooble...oh dear.

Notice how joth's sentence starts with "If promoter is scum", I've been over this when i voted faust in D1 because Joseph's slip wasn't actually a slip because of it (and Joseph wasn't even scum so he wouldn't know it). Why did you claim?

Also, we're in B. There's no other possible setup. I like Galzria's bold claim...I retract townpoints from Glooble now. But Galzria's scum for not knowing it's setup B with 100% guarantee.

Can you explain that last sentence?

What part of it?

Knew it. Wait you're not Glooble...oh dear.

Notice how joth's sentence starts with "If promoter is scum", I've been over this when i voted faust in D1 because Joseph's slip wasn't actually a slip because of it (and Joseph wasn't even scum so he wouldn't know it). Why did you claim?

Also, we're in B. There's no other possible setup. I like Galzria's bold claim...I retract townpoints from Glooble now. But Galzria's scum for not knowing it's setup B with 100% guarantee.

Of course I did. I never had any intention of you being lynched. I did what Faust was trying to do, just better. Instead of making a bad case (or no case at all) on a player to see who “climbs aboard”, I made a much more reasonable case based on a lack of general information knowing full well that it’s exactly the sort of thing scum likes to promote because of it’s inherent reasonability.

"Of course I did" is an answer to what? What did you do that is so much better than what faust did? Did you answer my previous question of why you think joth's trying to see who he can win against instead of who's scum?

PPE 2

[Galzria]

I am so close to just challenging Galz right now.

If I were to pick for Joth, I would make him choose between {ADK, Faust, Glooble}.

Literally my top three town reads.

Surprise!

Challenge me. Now.

Well this is just very scummy, right?

Why are you still seeking opinions? Need to know if you can win?

[MiX]

Why are you still seeking opinions? Need to know if you can win?

We have 3 days (well, mostly 2, because doing it last second might backfire), why do you want to be challenged right now? Do you think joth's scum?

[jotheonah]

I am so close to just challenging Galz right now.

If I were to pick for Joth, I would make him choose between {ADK, Faust, Glooble}.

Literally my top three town reads.

Surprise!

Challenge me. Now.

Well this is just very scummy, right?

Why are you still seeking opinions? Need to know if you can win?

You're not going to goad me into this. There's still a reasonable chance you are misguided town. And if you are scum, the last thing I want to do is the thing you want me to do.

[Galzria]

Knew it. Wait you're not Glooble...oh dear.

Notice how joth's sentence starts with "If promoter is scum", I've been over this when i voted faust in D1 because Joseph's slip wasn't actually a slip because of it (and Joseph wasn't even scum so he wouldn't know it). Why did you claim?

Also, we're in B. There's no other possible setup. I like Galzria's bold claim...I retract townpoints from Glooble now. But Galzria's scum for not knowing it's setup B with 100% guarantee.

Can you explain that last sentence?

What part of it?

Knew it. Wait you're not Glooble...oh dear.

Notice how joth's sentence starts with "If promoter is scum", I've been over this when i voted faust in D1 because Joseph's slip wasn't actually a slip because of it (and Joseph wasn't even scum so he wouldn't know it). Why did you claim?

Also, we're in B. There's no other possible setup. I like Galzria's bold claim...I retract townpoints from Glooble now. But Galzria's scum for not knowing it's setup B with 100% guarantee.

Of course I did. I never had any intention of you being lynched. I did what Faust was trying to do, just better. Instead of making a bad case (or no case at all) on a player to see who “climbs aboard”, I made a much more reasonable case based on a lack of general information knowing full well that it’s exactly the sort of thing scum likes to promote because of it’s inherent reasonability.

"Of course I did" is an answer to what? What did you do that is so much better than what faust did? Did you answer my previous question of why you think joth's trying to see who he can win against instead of who's scum?

PPE 2

“Of course I knew we were in B”.

What’s to answer? He’s literally been soliciting opinions on who would vote for who over himself instead of scum hunting and making his own choices.

[jotheonah]

@Galz if you were town, you would be trying to talk me into targeting one of your other scum reads (the mislynch wishlist you posted before) rather than trying to goad me into targeting you.

[Galzria]

Why are you still seeking opinions? Need to know if you can win?

We have 3 days (well, mostly 2, because doing it last second might backfire), why do you want to be challenged right now? Do you think joth's scum?

Yes. I’ve stated this.

[Glooble]

vote: Galzria

[Galzria]

@Galz if you were town, you would be trying to talk me into targeting one of your other scum reads (the mislynch wishlist you posted before) rather than trying to goad me into targeting you.

A) I think you’re scum.

B) You will target the person you think you can win against regardless.

C) My opinions on who you should target are stated. Unsurprisingly, you won’t consider the majority of that list.