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[Glooble]

I think it’s two separate powers. They’re a doctor, and also they have one other player they want to lynch.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Third: I don’t believe the initial vote on Chairs for his lack of posting comes from scum all that often, but I’m more inclined to see the first person to jump at that as a reasonable vote as scummy.

What's your thought on Joseph here?

I know this question wasn't directed at me, but I've been gone all day and need to start getting into things, and this seems a good starting point! :-)

I would say that Joseph would jump on a wagon just for entertainment value without actually thinking through consequences. Mix doesn't tend to feel that spontaneous.. he's more an over-thinker.

Do you think that MiX's vote is scummy?

[jotheonah]

can we get a vote count?

[Swowl]

Can someone explain to me how Lyncer Doctor works? I don't follow the PM explanation for that one... is it saying that each night they may target one particular player, and only that one player?

Yeah I don't get the part about "you know they are VT".


Outside of that I think it means - Every night you get may target a player. If that player is lynched while you are still alive, you win. If that player dies in another fashion, then you also die.

[Uncleeurope]

Vote Count 1.1

Uncleeurope wanted to explain how Lyncher Doctor worked in glorious detail, but didn't know if he was allowed to answer questions not specifically directed at him, because he was new to modding. He felt like a fairy not yet invited over a threshold. By even nudging this close to it by hinting in such an obtuse manner, he might be damaging the integrity of the site forever.

MiX (4): mcmcsalot, Galzria, gkrieg13, Glooble
A Drowned Kernel (2): faust, jotheonah
chairs (2): Joseph2302, MIX
jotheonah (1): A Drowned Kernel
Joseph2302 (1): SpaceAnemone


Not voting (4): DatSwan, chairs, EFHW, arishipshape


With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
Day 1 ends Wednesday, 1st of May, at 5:30 ft.

[MiX]

Can someone explain to me how Lyncer Doctor works? I don't follow the PM explanation for that one... is it saying that each night they may target one particular player, and only that one player?

From what I understood, Lyncher has 1 target that is randomly picked from all VTs at the start of the game, and then they have a normal Doctor which is used to keep that VT safe from NKs.

Galzria, the point of forcing the claim is so, after no one claims, we can safely say promoter is scum. And judging by the resistance of this idea I'd say it's more likely that there's a scum!Promoter anyway. Town!Promoter being positive or negative utility doesn't matter, given it's scum's choice to kill him after he claims, which is bad regardless of utility

[Joseph2302]

Can someone explain to me how Lyncer Doctor works? I don't follow the PM explanation for that one... is it saying that each night they may target one particular player, and only that one player?

From what I understood, Lyncher has 1 target that is randomly picked from all VTs at the start of the game, and then they have a normal Doctor which is used to keep that VT safe from NKs.

Galzria, the point of forcing the claim is so, after no one claims, we can safely say promoter is scum. And judging by the resistance of this idea I'd say it's more likely that there's a scum!Promoter anyway. Town!Promoter being positive or negative utility doesn't matter, given it's scum's choice to kill him after he claims, which is bad regardless of utility

So this me and the Lyncher Doctor wants a random VT to die, and that's their win condition?

[faust]

Request prod on chairs

[MiX]

If "me and" is means, yes, that's exactly what Lyncher wants.

[jotheonah]

Uncleeurope, how does lyncher doctor work? Can you explain in glorious detail?

[LaLight]

Request prod on chairs

Sent.

[LaLight]

Uncleeurope, how does lyncher doctor work? Can you explain in glorious detail?

Please, specify the question. The sample QT is in the opening post.

[MiX]

Uncleeurope, how does lyncher doctor work? Can you explain in glorious detail?

Lyncher has a Target: He's given the name of 1 VT and he wins iff said person gets lynched. Seperately, he can select one person to be Doctored every night (he picks this every night so he can swap it between himself and his Target because that's almost always what he'll do). Any further questions?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Why are we so concerned about how the lyncher doctor works?

[SpaceAnemone]

Third: I don’t believe the initial vote on Chairs for his lack of posting comes from scum all that often, but I’m more inclined to see the first person to jump at that as a reasonable vote as scummy.

What's your thought on Joseph here?

I know this question wasn't directed at me, but I've been gone all day and need to start getting into things, and this seems a good starting point! :-)

I would say that Joseph would jump on a wagon just for entertainment value without actually thinking through consequences. Mix doesn't tend to feel that spontaneous.. he's more an over-thinker.

Do you think that MiX's vote is scummy?

Maybe very marginally. Like, he can have a scumpoint for it, but it didn't feel significant enough for me to bother moving my RVS vote yet.

[SpaceAnemone]

Why are we so concerned about how the lyncher doctor works?

Because when I finally read the setup, it was the one thing that I didn't think was clearly explained, so I asked about it. Sorry I was kind of late to the party :-P

[SpaceAnemone]

Uncleeurope, how does lyncher doctor work? Can you explain in glorious detail?

Please, specify the question. The sample QT is in the opening post.

Okay, here goes! The first part of the PM says:

Each night you may target one player (possibly yourself) to protect them from one kill attempt.

That sounds like a doctor to me, so I'm happy so far.

Then we get to:

Your target is {Player}, you know they are a VT.

Does this refer to a totally different "target" than they've just been told they can pick nightly? Usually when a PM says "you may pick a target", then goes on to talk about "your target", those two are the same person. However, in this case I think they must not be. If I'm correct, then why not rename this second use of "target" to be something like "Desired Lynchee"?

Using this suggested terminology, the Lyncher Doctor has a particular Desired Lynchee, picked out by the mods from the pool of VTs during the setup phase of the game. If that lynchee dies through any method other than being lynched, the Lyncher Doctor dies too, and cannot win. Lyncher Doctor is allowed to use the doctor action each night to target someone. That target could be their Desired Lynchee, or could be themself, but could also in theory be any other player.

Does the above summarise the role of Lyncher Doctor successfully?

[jotheonah]

I'm not that concerned, but I was moved by Eddie's vote count flavor and wanted to throw him a bone.

[jotheonah]

Vote Count 1.1

Glooble is voting twice here.

[chairs]

So I didn’t check the thread because I play on my phone whenever I get a new post notification....

I didn’t have notify enabled for this thread.


Oops!

Anyway screw the town promoter claiming. Also someone mentioned faith in vigilantes and I apologize for generating that faith on this board

vote: a drowned kernel the promoter claim discussion ended up getting us nowhere and feels distracting.

[LaLight]

Using this suggested terminology, the Lyncher Doctor has a particular Desired Lynchee, picked out by the mods from the pool of VTs during the setup phase of the game. If that lynchee dies through any method other than being lynched, the Lyncher Doctor dies too, and cannot win. Lyncher Doctor is allowed to use the doctor action each night to target someone. That target could be their Desired Lynchee, or could be themself, but could also in theory be any other player.

Does the above summarise the role of Lyncher Doctor successfully?

This is the most correct explanation of how Lyncher Doctor works that I have seen in my whole life.

[MiX]

I have a lot of predictions but no reads...

Unvote. I'll have to try harder, haven't put much effort into this yet.

[LaLight]

Vote Count 1.1

Glooble is voting twice here.

Fixed.

[MiX]

If that lynchee dies through any method other than being lynched, the Lyncher Doctor dies too, and cannot win.

Note how Lyncher dies if his target is lynched. This means non-LyLo situations can turn into MyLo unexpectedly even if the VT isn't NKd.

[arishipshape]

First off: Super sorry I didn't get around to this yesterday night like I said I would. My computer kept restarting in the middle of me constructing my posts, and I got tired, so I went to bed. I'm here now. But I'm kinda miffed at the lack of suspicion on me. If I were scum I imagine I could just keep shutting up, occasionally doing short posts to keep the "lynch all lurkers" crowd at bay. Lucky for you guys I'm not scum. Time for me to join the fray!
My thoughts on promoter versus Vig: Vig is an extra kill. Promoter is limiting the kill we are already entitled to. Vig>Promoter. I'm torn on whether the promoter should claim though. I feel like it's negative utility, so scum wouldn't want to kill, so scum will be able to kill our other power roles, but if the promoter plays smart they can influence the game for the better (assuming we got the town promoter). I think it's safer to just not claim. That way maf can accidentally kill promoter instead of another pr.
Also, Jothenoah and Faust: I'm really REALLY not a fan of unexplained votes. Explanation provides more information to the town, which is always good. Barring being a PR or something. I'd recommend one of them for the day 2 lynch if promoter doesn't throw a wrench in that and they don't claim some PR.
My thoughts on voting: Why are we voting MiX? Sure, he's not the towniest town to ever town, but I don't see to much scumminess. Anyone wanna explain?
In conclusion to this opening paragraph, everybody ask me hard questions! I want to answer them and prove I'm town!

As far as players go I wish I knew arishape better because I feel like if I did I would know their alignment already. They seem to be playing relatively straightforward and not a lot of pre-thought to their posts.

I have one game to my name.
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=19407.0
In this game, I was scum. Feel free to read it over. Anyways, you are absolutely correct in my straightforwardness. I try not to mask, deceive, or be unclear in any way, shape, or form, so as to leave no room for any misinterpretation, which is a scum's friend.

To be frank, you did the same things in the game you quoted.

Correct. And I was obviously scum. Ergo, my strategy revealed the scum. Therefore, it is pro town. I'll probably have to come up with a better strategy for when I'm scum... But hey, i don't need to worry about that this game!

vote: MiX

Is voting without explaining just what all the cool kids are doing now?

I think MiX is scum pushing for traitor to claim. Mild suspicion

...Why do you think this?