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[Joseph2302]

I didn't want to do it, but you'll probably lynch me otherwise
I'm a semi elite bodyguard

It's the most convenient claim, as there can be 2.

VT would be most convenient, as there's 5+ of them

reads then. give them plz.

PPE

What faust said

I think faust, mix are town, as faust's  logic on me makes sense, even if it assumes I'm a competent human being
 And chairs as well seems reasonably town from their limited number of posts
Joth and ADK seem scummier to me. Also slight scum read on Space, they've only voted for me this game ,and dont seem to hace considered many alternatives

what do you want me to do with this list?
You think that me and the only other person online are town.
You think that the other two lynch candidates that me and faust have spoken of are skum?
And then space?

PPE 1

Vote joth

[Joseph2302]

That would make it 5/4 to joth

[Joseph2302]

Yes scum in {joth, ADK, Space}

[Swowl]

Oh I didn't die yet. I was mostly just reading for fun at this point, but I guess I'm still in the game.

Vote: joth, because Joseph's claim will out him eventually.

I'll read everything that was said before I went to sleep more carefully.

Eventually is a long term word here. There have to be 2 relevant flips before their claim can be countered.

[Swowl]

Oh I didn't die yet. I was mostly just reading for fun at this point, but I guess I'm still in the game.

Vote: joth, because Joseph's claim will out him eventually.

I'll read everything that was said before I went to sleep more carefully.

Eventually is a long term word here. There have to be 2 relevant flips before their claim can be countered.

That't not true actually, but assuming they are skum claiming under the info that there is at least one BG would be my point.

[faust]

Oh I didn't die yet. I was mostly just reading for fun at this point, but I guess I'm still in the game.

Vote: joth, because Joseph's claim will out him eventually.

I'll read everything that was said before I went to sleep more carefully.

Eventually is a long term word here. There have to be 2 relevant flips before their claim can be countered.

That't not true actually, but assuming they are skum claiming under the info that there is at least one BG would be my point.

Isn't there always at least 1 Bodyguard?

[MiX]

Oh I didn't die yet. I was mostly just reading for fun at this point, but I guess I'm still in the game.

Vote: joth, because Joseph's claim will out him eventually.

I'll read everything that was said before I went to sleep more carefully.

Eventually is a long term word here. There have to be 2 relevant flips before their claim can be countered.

We only need to know what town block there is for bodyguards to start counterclaiming. There's also the fact bodyguards have to breadcrumb who they target, which means...well, mostly that Traitor doesn't want to claim it. I'm fine with either lynch, but I think joth's just a bit too eager to lynch me.

PPE 2: Your setup posts keep confusing me Swan...

[faust]

We only need to know what town block there is for bodyguards to start counterclaiming. There's also the fact bodyguards have to breadcrumb who they target, which means...well, mostly that Traitor doesn't want to claim it. I'm fine with either lynch, but I think joth's just a bit too eager to lynch me.

That only works if we're in the town block that doesn't have an extra bodyguard.

[MiX]

We only need to know what town block there is for bodyguards to start counterclaiming. There's also the fact bodyguards have to breadcrumb who they target, which means...well, mostly that Traitor doesn't want to claim it. I'm fine with either lynch, but I think joth's just a bit too eager to lynch me.

That only works if we're in the town block that doesn't have an extra bodyguard.

That's not true, although it would help if we were in that one for BG counterclaims. We could still force a 2v1, which I suppose is bad? But bodyguards can kill themselves to prove their townieness, so not the worst. There's also the fact that BG flips incriminate Joseph (although not before they all claim).

[Swowl]

Apologies - I type as I think.

My point is, if they were skum they know which corner of the field is in play.
So with this claim I would assume that with this claim they are either telling the truth, or we are in the upper-left, or the bottom right.
If upper left, it forces two BGs to claim to get the right info.
If bottom right, it forces the actual BG to claim to get the right info.

Pretty much, it is the go to claim for credit here. I don't assign additional skum points from the ones I already had, but it does not get any town cred either.


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[Joseph2302]

Well the point of a bodyguard is to protect, and I feel like I lose that ability somewhat by being outed. But I had to claim

PPE: 1

[faust]

We only need to know what town block there is for bodyguards to start counterclaiming. There's also the fact bodyguards have to breadcrumb who they target, which means...well, mostly that Traitor doesn't want to claim it. I'm fine with either lynch, but I think joth's just a bit too eager to lynch me.

That only works if we're in the town block that doesn't have an extra bodyguard.

That's not true, although it would help if we were in that one for BG counterclaims. We could still force a 2v1, which I suppose is bad? But bodyguards can kill themselves to prove their townieness, so not the worst. There's also the fact that BG flips incriminate Joseph (although not before they all claim).

I mean all of this assumes Joseph is actually scum. If you are so sure that he is, we might as well lynch him now. If Joseph were town, and then 1 Bodyguard decides to "counterclaim", it only leads to both Bodyguards outed.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm here, I'm kind of awake, I'm sad that no one joined me on galz

vote: joseph fishy claim

[faust]

My point is, if they were skum they know which corner of the field is in play.

I'm confused - how would scum know upper left vs bottom right?

[MiX]

You know, I just realized something: do the twins have the same reads? Because I just figured out they're the ones that are most confident in their scumread on me. Yet I'm townreading Glooble. This is to say I'm ISOing joth, and then Joseph of course.

Well the point of a bodyguard is to protect, and I feel like I lose that ability somewhat by being outed. But I had to claim

PPE: 1

You can still protect. Getting NKd is worse than protecting but it has the same purpose: to protect our PRs.

PPE 3: BGs should only claim when we know what town block there is, precisely because of that.

[Swowl]

We only need to know what town block there is for bodyguards to start counterclaiming. There's also the fact bodyguards have to breadcrumb who they target, which means...well, mostly that Traitor doesn't want to claim it. I'm fine with either lynch, but I think joth's just a bit too eager to lynch me.

That only works if we're in the town block that doesn't have an extra bodyguard.

That's not true, although it would help if we were in that one for BG counterclaims. We could still force a 2v1, which I suppose is bad? But bodyguards can kill themselves to prove their townieness, so not the worst. There's also the fact that BG flips incriminate Joseph (although not before they all claim).

Your logic makes sense. Except it is 130am PST and 80% of the players in the game are asleep.

PPE many

[MiX]

We only need to know what town block there is for bodyguards to start counterclaiming. There's also the fact bodyguards have to breadcrumb who they target, which means...well, mostly that Traitor doesn't want to claim it. I'm fine with either lynch, but I think joth's just a bit too eager to lynch me.

That only works if we're in the town block that doesn't have an extra bodyguard.

That's not true, although it would help if we were in that one for BG counterclaims. We could still force a 2v1, which I suppose is bad? But bodyguards can kill themselves to prove their townieness, so not the worst. There's also the fact that BG flips incriminate Joseph (although not before they all claim).

Your logic makes sense. Except it is 130am PST and 80% of the players in the game are asleep.

PPE many

We shouldn't do this today, of course. Just something for later.

[faust]

PPE 3: BGs should only claim when we know what town block there is, precisely because of that.

But then if we know we're in upper left, they still shouldn't claim.

[Swowl]

My point is, if they were skum they know which corner of the field is in play.

I'm confused - how would scum know upper left vs bottom right?

under the assumption Joseph is skum.

[faust]

My point is, if they were skum they know which corner of the field is in play.

I'm confused - how would scum know upper left vs bottom right?

under the assumption Joseph is skum.

I'm still confused. Why does that assumption make it so that they know?

[Swowl]

My point is, if they were skum they know which corner of the field is in play.

I'm confused - how would scum know upper left vs bottom right?

under the assumption Joseph is skum.

To say..
Upper left is safe because there are gtd two
Bottom right is good for skum because it is the worst square for them and would potentially force a claim from the real BG.

[MiX]

My point is, if they were skum they know which corner of the field is in play.

I'm confused - how would scum know upper left vs bottom right?

under the assumption Joseph is skum.

I'm still confused. Why does that assumption make it so that they know?

He's saying that if Joseph's scum, then we have 1 of the town blocks: this is trivially true, because we ALWAYS have 1 of the town blocks.

PPE 1

[Joseph2302]

I'm here, I'm kind of awake, I'm sad that no one joined me on galz

vote: joseph fishy claim

This is 5/5 now I believe?

[Swowl]

We only need to know what town block there is for bodyguards to start counterclaiming. There's also the fact bodyguards have to breadcrumb who they target, which means...well, mostly that Traitor doesn't want to claim it. I'm fine with either lynch, but I think joth's just a bit too eager to lynch me.

That only works if we're in the town block that doesn't have an extra bodyguard.

That's not true, although it would help if we were in that one for BG counterclaims. We could still force a 2v1, which I suppose is bad? But bodyguards can kill themselves to prove their townieness, so not the worst. There's also the fact that BG flips incriminate Joseph (although not before they all claim).

I mean all of this assumes Joseph is actually scum. If you are so sure that he is, we might as well lynch him now. If Joseph were town, and then 1 Bodyguard decides to "counterclaim", it only leads to both Bodyguards outed.

I mean... I am ACTUALLY assuming Joseph is skum.

[Joseph2302]

We only need to know what town block there is for bodyguards to start counterclaiming. There's also the fact bodyguards have to breadcrumb who they target, which means...well, mostly that Traitor doesn't want to claim it. I'm fine with either lynch, but I think joth's just a bit too eager to lynch me.

That only works if we're in the town block that doesn't have an extra bodyguard.

That's not true, although it would help if we were in that one for BG counterclaims. We could still force a 2v1, which I suppose is bad? But bodyguards can kill themselves to prove their townieness, so not the worst. There's also the fact that BG flips incriminate Joseph (although not before they all claim).

I mean all of this assumes Joseph is actually scum. If you are so sure that he is, we might as well lynch him now. If Joseph were town, and then 1 Bodyguard decides to "counterclaim", it only leads to both Bodyguards outed.

I mean... I am ACTUALLY assuming Joseph is skum.

Please don't. Because assuming I'm scum will encourage the other bodyguard (if applicable) to come out too. Also, I'm not scum