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[mcmcsalot]

Okay Mix has had 10 different people vote for him this game.

Faust - RVS
Ari - RVS
Mcmc - Pushing for the promoter claim in a why I thought to be directing the traitor
Galz - sheep me
Gkrieg - didn’t like mix’s vote for joth
Glooble - sheep’s me but only likes the case slightly more than the ask case.
Chairs - says they do t think ari is scum and votes mix (presumably a “most viable case” vote)
ADK - unexplained (he later disagrees with me on one of my points against MiX)
Joth - for mix poorly defending ari
Chairs returns
Joseph - doesn’t like mix’s defense
Joth returns
Gkrieg returns.

[Glooble]

Should I claim?

I probably would.

Why would you? I would like to hear arguments, not just "yeah why not?". A priori I don't think it's a good decision, so if you think it is I would prefer to know why.

If you have a PR that would significantly help town, I would claim. Remember there are protective roles in play. And scum also might nk someone else to mess with our heads. If you think having another day or two alive could increase our chances of winning, claim.

I'm not going to tell you which roles would make me change my vote because I'm not all about telling scum!Mix what his fake claim should be.

[MiX]

Okay Mix has had 10 different people vote for him this game.

Faust - RVS
Ari - RVS
Mcmc - Pushing for the promoter claim in a why I thought to be directing the traitor
Galz - sheep me
Gkrieg - didn’t like mix’s vote for joth
Glooble - sheep’s me but only likes the case slightly more than the ask case.
Chairs - says they do t think ari is scum and votes mix (presumably a “most viable case” vote)
ADK - unexplained (he later disagrees with me on one of my points against MiX)
Joth - for mix poorly defending ari
Chairs returns
Joseph - doesn’t like mix’s defense
Joth returns
Gkrieg returns.

At least one scum isn't on my wagon.

Of Swan/EFHW/Space...oh this is just everyone who hasn't been active. Nevermind. I stand by what I said above but it's just more of what I said before about lynching someone who isn't getting scumread. Which is precisely why they're not a good lynch. Oh well, still something to think about for later.

[mcmcsalot]

ADK has had six different players vote for them.

Faust - for ADK name dropping the traitor a whole bunch
Joseph - sheep’s Faust (before Faust gave reasons)
MiX - (presumably voting for a different viable wagon)
Joth - unexplained
Swan - based on the amount of promoter talk ADK engaged I
Chairs - sheep’s Faust (after Faust gave reasons)
Faust return
Mix return
Joesph return

[Joseph2302]

Mix, you've already soft claimed a PR by asking the claiming question. Which puts you at risk of being NKed anyway. So IMO you should claim. Although that vote list on you is super weird, because it's almost everyone

[Joseph2302]

So either scum are bussing, or mix isn't a known scum

[Joseph2302]

ADK has had six different players vote for them.

Faust - for ADK name dropping the traitor a whole bunch
Joseph - sheep’s Faust (before Faust gave reasons)
MiX - (presumably voting for a different viable wagon)
Joth - unexplained
Swan - based on the amount of promoter talk ADK engaged I
Chairs - sheep’s Faust (after Faust gave reasons)
Faust return
Mix return
Joesph return

I had my own reasons too

[mcmcsalot]

MiX/ADK voted eachother.

Faust/Joseph/joth/chairs have all voted for both players.

(Ari)/Mcmc/Galz/Gkrieg/glooble are sole mix voters

Swan is the only sole ADK voter.

[MiX]

Mix, you've already soft claimed a PR by asking the claiming question. Which puts you at risk of being NKed anyway. So IMO you should claim. Although that vote list on you is super weird, because it's almost everyone

Awkward. I am a VT, so I'm confused where you saw that. It was my plan to softclaim a PR, which worked (apparently), but...I didn't really carry out the plan. Maybe subconsciously I played like a PR? If so good job me!

ADK has had six different players vote for them.

Faust - for ADK name dropping the traitor a whole bunch
Joseph - sheep’s Faust (before Faust gave reasons)
MiX - (presumably voting for a different viable wagon)
Joth - unexplained
Swan - based on the amount of promoter talk ADK engaged I
Chairs - sheep’s Faust (after Faust gave reasons)
Faust return
Mix return
Joesph return

I was sheeping faust. And defending myself, of course.

[mcmcsalot]

Mix, you've already soft claimed a PR by asking the claiming question. Which puts you at risk of being NKed anyway. So IMO you should claim. Although that vote list on you is super weird, because it's almost everyone

Awkward. I am a VT, so I'm confused where you saw that. It was my plan to softclaim a PR, which worked (apparently), but...I didn't really carry out the plan. Maybe subconsciously I played like a PR? If so good job me!

ADK has had six different players vote for them.

Faust - for ADK name dropping the traitor a whole bunch
Joseph - sheep’s Faust (before Faust gave reasons)
MiX - (presumably voting for a different viable wagon)
Joth - unexplained
Swan - based on the amount of promoter talk ADK engaged I
Chairs - sheep’s Faust (after Faust gave reasons)
Faust return
Mix return
Joesph return

I was sheeping faust. And defending myself, of course.

You 100% should not have claimed especially not vt. Think this only benefits scum and is very
Unlikely to change whether or not you are lynched

[MiX]

Mix, you've already soft claimed a PR by asking the claiming question. Which puts you at risk of being NKed anyway. So IMO you should claim. Although that vote list on you is super weird, because it's almost everyone

Awkward. I am a VT, so I'm confused where you saw that. It was my plan to softclaim a PR, which worked (apparently), but...I didn't really carry out the plan. Maybe subconsciously I played like a PR? If so good job me!

You 100% should not have claimed especially not vt. Think this only benefits scum and is very
Unlikely to change whether or not you are lynched

See why I asked? But I think not claiming softclaims VT whereas fakeclaiming PR is pointless town lying, in my opinion. Oh well.

[Galzria]

vote: ari. Better lynch than MiX.

[Glooble]

vote: ari. Better lynch than MiX.

Why?

[MiX]

vote: ari. Better lynch than MiX.

Why?

Because the above is true. I want to lynch him too due to his inactivity all D1, but he's on a better wagon:

Vote: EFHW

[mcmcsalot]

vote: ari. Better lynch than MiX.

I would vote adk over ari for sure.

[SpaceAnemone]

See why I asked? But I think not claiming softclaims VT whereas fakeclaiming PR is pointless town lying, in my opinion. Oh well.

How often in your other games have you asked about stuff like this? I feel that you're more likely either to flat-out demand that people tell you things, or just assert that you know things. The fact you're asking makes it feel like a play to me!

In related news, I'll be awake from about 90 minutes before deadline, though I have a meeting at work meeting 15 mins beforehand.

[Glooble]

See why I asked? But I think not claiming softclaims VT whereas fakeclaiming PR is pointless town lying, in my opinion. Oh well.

How often in your other games have you asked about stuff like this? I feel that you're more likely either to flat-out demand that people tell you things, or just assert that you know things. The fact you're asking makes it feel like a play to me!

In related news, I'll be awake from about 90 minutes before deadline, though I have a meeting at work meeting 15 mins beforehand.

Especially because he asked, asked me to clarify, didn't wait for anyone else's advice, and then completely disregarded my advice.

[mcmcsalot]

Mix, you've already soft claimed a PR by asking the claiming question. Which puts you at risk of being NKed anyway. So IMO you should claim. Although that vote list on you is super weird, because it's almost everyone

Awkward. I am a VT, so I'm confused where you saw that. It was my plan to softclaim a PR, which worked (apparently), but...I didn't really carry out the plan. Maybe subconsciously I played like a PR? If so good job me!

You 100% should not have claimed especially not vt. Think this only benefits scum and is very
Unlikely to change whether or not you are lynched

See why I asked? But I think not claiming softclaims VT whereas fakeclaiming PR is pointless town lying, in my opinion. Oh well.

I don’t think you softclaimed a pr, plenty of wifom involved. You are smart though I’m confused you didn’t understand as a vt you want to avoid being lynched without claiming at all costs and hope scum kill you. As a pr you claim with enough time to actually get a new lynch decided on.

[mcmcsalot]

See why I asked? But I think not claiming softclaims VT whereas fakeclaiming PR is pointless town lying, in my opinion. Oh well.

How often in your other games have you asked about stuff like this? I feel that you're more likely either to flat-out demand that people tell you things, or just assert that you know things. The fact you're asking makes it feel like a play to me!

In related news, I'll be awake from about 90 minutes before deadline, though I have a meeting at work meeting 15 mins beforehand.

How strongly do you feel this way?

[MiX]

See why I asked? But I think not claiming softclaims VT whereas fakeclaiming PR is pointless town lying, in my opinion. Oh well.

How often in your other games have you asked about stuff like this? I feel that you're more likely either to flat-out demand that people tell you things, or just assert that you know things. The fact you're asking makes it feel like a play to me!

Not sure if this is a complement or an insult... No, really, I mean it. Thanks regardless.

See why I asked? But I think not claiming softclaims VT whereas fakeclaiming PR is pointless town lying, in my opinion. Oh well.

How often in your other games have you asked about stuff like this? I feel that you're more likely either to flat-out demand that people tell you things, or just assert that you know things. The fact you're asking makes it feel like a play to me!

In related news, I'll be awake from about 90 minutes before deadline, though I have a meeting at work meeting 15 mins beforehand.

Especially because he asked, asked me to clarify, didn't wait for anyone else's advice, and then completely disregarded my advice.

Joseph's reaction was already more than I expected from it. Also you didn't give any VT advice, so I thought "yeah claiming totally makes me more alive". I also thought I'm good as dead so might as well get reactions to my "flip" while I'm alive.

I also finished my very very very quick "reread" of EFHW and obviously I don't see anything good enough to vote, so...you know what? I think it's just best if I die today. My vote has no power anyway, I'll hammer anything for now and I'll place my vote when I have to go. For now,

Unvote, because my read on whatever viable lynch exists is now pointless so my vote has quite literally no pressure. I'm still using my reads, however.

[chairs]

Wow I’m really happy with my mix vote now because I know when I was caught scum D1 in Harry Potter mafia I reacted the same way he just did

[MiX]

Wow I’m really happy with my mix vote now because I know when I was caught scum D1 in Harry Potter mafia I reacted the same way he just did

Did also claim VT? Did you also ask if you should claim? Did you also surrender your vote? Did you also lose all hope? Did you also townread everyone else? Did you also...oh, you can probably find the similarities yourself. Anyway I'm assuming one of these is wrong?

[SpaceAnemone]

See why I asked? But I think not claiming softclaims VT whereas fakeclaiming PR is pointless town lying, in my opinion. Oh well.

How often in your other games have you asked about stuff like this? I feel that you're more likely either to flat-out demand that people tell you things, or just assert that you know things. The fact you're asking makes it feel like a play to me!

Not sure if this is a complement or an insult... No, really, I mean it. Thanks regardless.

It wasn't strictly meant as a rhetorical question, you know. If you think it's part of a larger body of evidence of you having modulated your behaviour due to feedback last game, there's time to point that out.

OTOH, I agree that the defeatist behaviour, coupled with being worried about your personal death instead of worrying about how to make town play better is not all that townie.

[MiX]

See why I asked? But I think not claiming softclaims VT whereas fakeclaiming PR is pointless town lying, in my opinion. Oh well.

How often in your other games have you asked about stuff like this? I feel that you're more likely either to flat-out demand that people tell you things, or just assert that you know things. The fact you're asking makes it feel like a play to me!

Not sure if this is a complement or an insult... No, really, I mean it. Thanks regardless.

It wasn't strictly meant as a rhetorical question, you know. If you think it's part of a larger body of evidence of you having modulated your behaviour due to feedback last game, there's time to point that out.

OTOH, I agree that the defeatist behaviour, coupled with being worried about your personal death instead of worrying about how to make town play better is not all that townie.

Sorry, but I still don't have good scumreads. Otherwise I would've flipped this style. I have a lot of townreads however! It's not really helping me here.

I will say that my biggest scumread remains to be joth, for little as that information is worth.

As for your question, I would have to manually search my games to answer it, so the correct answer is "I don't know, to be honest". I can't talk about my play objectively so why bother? I think I tried to improve, but as you can see I've just ended up the same place as my first game, so I wouldn't call this good...

[Joseph2302]

Unvote
Not mix today after this claim